Another Slow Hook Helps Send Red Sox to ALCS

A night after he was pilloried, both here and elsewhere, for sticking with his starting pitcher for too long, Yankees manager Aaron Boone did it again — this time in an elimination game. It wasn’t quite as egregious, and it didn’t turn the contest into a blowout, but the rookie skipper was short on urgency with his team’s season on the line, and it cost them. The Red Sox beat the Yankees 4-3 in Game Four of the AL Division Series (box), closing out the series on their rivals’ home field and moving on to the ALCS for the first time since 2013.

With the Yankees down two games to one in the Division Series, Boone started CC Sabathia, who at 38 years old is long on experience and guile but short on stamina. Of the 128 pitchers who threw at least 100 innings as a starter this season, the big man’s 5.28 innings per turn ranked 102nd. It didn’t prevent him from turning in a valuable season: over the course of 153 innings, he delivered a 3.65 ERA, 4.16 FIP, and 2.5 WAR, the last mark 0.6 wins higher than last year in a similarly sized body of work (148.2 innings). Some credit for that is due to Boone for limiting Sabathia’s exposure the third time through the order (when his wOBA allowed jumps to .391), and some to the pitcher himself, for accepting his role and his limitations.

On Tuesday night, against a lineup stacked with righties — Ian Kinsler and Eduardo Nunez were back at second and third bases, respectively, in place of Game Three heroes Brock Holt and Rafael Devers, while Steven Pearce subbed again for Mitch Moreland at first base — Sabathia wobbled through the first inning on 20 pitches. After retiring the first two hitters, he loaded the bases with two singles and a walk before escaping via a towering Kinsler fly ball that left fielder Brett Gardner ran down near the foul line. He prolonged his second inning with a two-out walk of Christian Vazquez, the No. 9 hitter and a guy who posted a 42 wRC+ in the regular season. That required him to face leadoff hitter Mookie Betts again. On the 15th pitch of the inning, though, Betts hit a routine fly to right for the third out.

Sabathia was in trouble from the outset of the third, hitting Andrew Benintendi with a pitch and then yielding a single to Pearce that sent Benintendi to third; he soon came home on a J.D. Martinez sacrifice fly, the game’s first run. Sabathia induced Xander Bogaerts to ground out, but by this point had thrown another 16 pitches, running his count to 51. Boone, with a rested set of A-listers (save for Chad Green, who threw 29 pitches on Monday night, at a point well after any of them mattered), had finally gotten David Robertson up in the bullpen — the kind of power arm sorely needed in mid-inning on Monday night, but one who never got the call.

Kinsler smoked a double (exit velocity 106.2 mph) over Gardner’s head in left field, scoring Pearce and putting the Red Sox up by a score of 2-0.

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Boone stayed put.

Nunez hit an RBI single to right, pushing the tally to 3-0.

Boone stayed put.

Sabathia finally escaped the inning when first baseman Luke Voit gloved a Jackie Bradley Jr. chopper and made the tag, but even a 3-0 deficit was too much for the Yankees’ offense to escape.

Around the time the dust settled on the third inning, YES Network researcher James Smyth tweeted a play-by-play showing the Yankees’ win expectancy as the inning unfolded, numbers straight from our live scoreboard:

The columns to the right of the play are the Leverage Index, the Run Expectancy and then the home team’s Win Expectancy. Even at that juncture, the difference from the first to the third runs was substantial. The Red Sox added a fourth run at the top of the fourth, when Vazquez hit a Yankee Stadium short-porch special to right field off Zach Britton.

Now, a 4-0 hole is hardly insurmountable for a team that just set the season record for homers, but as Nathan Eovaldi had done on Monday night, Rick Porcello did a great job of neutralizing the Yankees’ lineup on Tuesday. Both pitchers consistently got head in counts, with Eovaldi recording first-pitch strikes against 21 of 26 batters faced over seven innings, and Porcello 15 of 19 over five innings. Neither walked a hitter or gave up a run or allowed anything louder than a double. In fact, the Yankees didn’t hit their first double of the entire series until the fourth inning of Game Four. Take away the walks and doubles, and suddenly that offense isn’t so daunting, right?

Matt Barnes, Ryan Brasier, and Chris Sale (!) each pitched perfect innings in relief of Porcello. Not until the ninth inning, against Craig Kimbrel, with their win expectancy at just 4.4%, did the Yankees’ offense show signs of life. They laid off most of the ace closer’s breaking pitches, swinging at just four out of 14. Walks of Aaron Judge and Voit, sandwiched around a Gregorius single and a Giancarlo Stanton strikeout, loaded the bases with one out. Kimbrel hit Neil Walker in the foot with his first pitch to bring in a run, and Gary Sanchez battled for seven pitches, just missing a grand slam and settling for a sacrifice fly before Gleyber Torres grounded out to third on a play close enough to review. Ultimately, however, the call was confirmed and Boston celebrated.

Last year, Joe Girardi managed the Yankees to 91 wins and the brink of an AL championship, thanks in large part to his use of a bullpen assembled by general manager Brian Cashman. The midseason acquisitions of David Robertson and Tommy Kahnle reinforced an already strong core composed of Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances, and Chad Green for an awesomely talented unit. Girardi wasn’t afraid to show a quick hook in the postseason. Three times, in winner-take-all games, he did so, yanking Luis Severino in the first inning of the Wild Card Game and Sabathia in the fifth inning of Game Five of the Division Series and then Game Seven of the ALCS; he allowed a total of three runs in those games because Girardi trusted the next guy up.

Nonetheless, he did not get another contract. The brass felt that Girardi didn’t mesh well enough with some of the team’s young players. A long search then led to the addition of Boone, who, despite a lack of managerial experience, possessed communication skills valued by the front office.

Boone won 100 games as a rookie manager. He won’t win AL Manager of the Year, because another rookie skipper, Alex Cora, piloted the Red Sox to 108 victories, but he deserves high marks for his work. He managed around numerous injuries, including those of Gregorius, Judge, Sanchez, Torres, and Greg Bird — and that’s just among the position players. He also had to survive stretches without Chapman and Masahiro Tanaka, not to mention the loss of Jordan Montgomery to Tommy John surgery. Rookies Torres, Voit, and Miguel Andujar flourished; the offense hit a record 267 homers; the bullpen, with a full season of Robertson and a bounce-back by Betances, turned in a record-setting WAR. For the second year in a row, the team won the AL Wild Card game at home, in part because Boone treated that winner-take-all contest with the urgency it deserved, pulling Severino after four wild but effective innings and relying on his bullpen from there.

Had he acted with similar foresight in the third inning of Game Four, the Yankees’ hill wouldn’t have been as steep to climb, and they may well have sent the series back to Boston for a decisive Game Five. It’s a tough learning experience for a rookie, and one has to wonder why it was a mistake made twice, with Boone trying to nurse a few more outs out of his starter instead of unleashing the full operational power of a bullpen that is among the best in history.

That’s not to take anything from the Red Sox, the better team in the regular season and the better one in these four games. They held the Yankees to just 14 runs and four homers, two apiece by Judge and Sanchez. All but the latter’s 479-foot shot in the seventh inning of Game Two were solo shots. Still, the Yankees had their chances for this to turn out the other way, and they’ll have the winter to ponder what might have been.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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stever20Member since 2017
7 years ago

it would have been really interesting had there been a game 5 tomorrow with the Red Sox if the Yankees had come back in the 9th(if Sanchez had gotten it all). What would the Red Sox have been able to get from Sale?

ARodTheGOAT
7 years ago
Reply to  stever20

That’s what hurts as a Yankee fan. Sale, Eovaldi, Porcello, and E-Rod all pitched in either games 3 or 4. Boston may not have had much choice but to start Price (and use the others out of the pen)

stever20Member since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  ARodTheGOAT

i don’t know how they could have gone back to Price. Cora would have been setting himself up as a goat(and not the good kind) for Red Sox fans.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  ARodTheGOAT

I could be wrong as I haven’t heard any commentary on this but my thought was that Sale was going to be pitching game 5. His one inning of relief was being treated as an intense side session of sorts. Perhaps that would have limited his pitch count a bit, but I have to imagine he was still viewed as the starter and, as long as he was pitching well, would have gone at least 5 innings.

timprov
7 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Since the new Fangraphs orthodoxy seems to be that pulling your starter after 45 pitches is the best strategy, probably any limitations wouldn’t have been a problem.

Dave TMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

I wholeheartedly agree with Uncle Spike. I can’t imagine that the Red Sox would have brought Sale in when they did if the team thought it would dramatically impact his availability for a potential Game 5. Sale ended up being highly efficient, throwing only 13 pitches to get through one inning, so all signs point to the plan remaining that Sale would have started Game 5.

stever20Member since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

He might have started, but you would think that it would have limited how far he could go in game 5. Maybe they would think Price would be better in a bullpen situation??? Although there in a piggyback situation you have 2 lefties. Not the typical piggyback situation.

takkr22
7 years ago
Reply to  stever20

Easily Sale would have started game 5. He threw 13 pitches.

stever20Member since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  takkr22

No doubt he would have started. But how long would he have been able to go? How effective would he have been?

Those 2 questions are ones that Cora is happy as anything he doesn’t have to worry about. That move could have blown up in his face very easily.

Cheeknbut
7 years ago

“Neither walked a hitter or gave up a run or allowed anything louder than a double. ”

Nathan Eovaldi gave up 1 ER

KevinMember since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  Cheeknbut

He didn’t, but Porcello did.

Jon
7 years ago
Reply to  Cheeknbut

How on earth is this getting downvoted? Eovaldi gave up a run, as did Porcello. What am I missing?

Paul-SF
7 years ago

“Both pitchers consistently got head in counts”

Well, I definitely missed THAT part of the game.

dodgerbleu
7 years ago
Reply to  Paul-SF

Mickey Mantle’s ‘Outstanding Event’ at Yankee stadium really changed the game, didn’t it?

johansantana17Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  Paul-SF

Get your mind out of the gutter, Jay!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

This is a great article, and it’s punctuated by using WPA and WE the correct way: As the game is unfolding.

Dave TMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, and that’s in contrast with Jay’s write-up of Game 3. Jay didn’t once mention leverage index or win expectancy in that earlier write-up, presumably because doing so would have called Jay’s criticisms into question.

That 4th inning of Game 3 – which started with the Yankees down 3-0 and turned into a 10-0 deficit – started with a game Leverage Index of 0.52 and peaked at a game LI of 0.97 (for PA’s by Bradley and Betts). That’s because the Yankees’ win expectancy was a bit under 20% at the start of that inning. The Yankees’ WE then, as one would expect, steadily declined from that level.

Four of Game 4 3rd inning PA’s shown in the post each had higher game LI’s than the Red Sox 4th inning PA’s in Game 3. The series LI’s – the leverage for the Yankees winning the LDS, not just a given game – had an even greater disparity in Game 4 over Game 3 because Game 4 was an elimination game.

Additionally, in Game 4 we saw Sabathia staying in for this stretch of five straight RH hitters (Martinez, Bogaerts, Pearce, Kinsler, Nunez) rather than going to Robertson to get the platoon advantage. Perhaps LH pinch hitters would have come in for some of the latter three players, but at least that (1) brings the pinch hitter penalty into play and (2) brings in LH hitters who would then be at a platoon disadvantage vs. Britton or Chapman later in the game.

In short, I’m much more critical of Boone’s decisions in Game 4 because (1) it was an elimination game and (2) it was still a 0-0 game when Martinez came to the plate in the 3rd inning. A big part of the reason that I can argue for Boone’s decision-making in Game 3 is that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to use a team’s high-leverage bullpen arms when already behind 3-0 in a non-elimination game. A key reason for doing that, however, is that those bullpen arms should be used really early in Game 4 if a high leverage situation arises.

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago

Definitely time to throw some money around and sign up some starters in the offseason. Who wants some money? Dallas Keuchel and Patrick Corbin sure look like they might want some money. JA Happ want to come back? Charlie Morton? Eovaldi? You get some money, and you get some money. Money for everybody!

PS – if this is the last ride for CC, bless the dude. He pitched his ass off for this team for years while his body was breaking down. Good on him for figuring out how to stay solid when he was no longer dominant. HOFer for me, easy, though I know the voters’ standards for SP are so stupidly high that his won’t be a slam dunk candidacy.

mbrunette48
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Sign up starters or trade for them? Cole, Verlander, & Sale all were acquired via trade, eventually you have to pay the prospect tax for an Ace and go for it. Cashman has been magnificent in his recent trades but sometimes you need to lose a trade to hoist a trophy.

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  mbrunette48

Sure, whatever. However they end up with some starters is fine. Don’t see a lot of obvious high-end trade candidates, though, unless someone like the Giants (Bumgarner) or D-Backs (Greinke) decides to go into rebuild mode. (I don’t buy it as probable that the Mets trade Degrom or Syndergaard and definitely not to the Yankees – and vice versa)

Paul G.Member since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I would not sign Eovaldi unless I could get him cheap. Before the surgery he was a so-so pitcher. After the surgery, he was a decent with Tampa before coming to Boston and doing far better than he ever did before. Breakout in a small sample + multiple arm surgeries = no big contract from me.

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

Yeah, I figure the contracts are like Corbin > Keuchel >>>>>> Happ > Morton (just because he seems to want to go year to year) > Eovaldi

Possibly Eovaldi goes for more on total value than Happ/Morton if they go on one year deals, but definitely lower AAV

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago

i really do appreciate the way you wrote this. yankees twitter and blogs were on full on meltdown mode last night, which i understand but hardly anyone was being rational. yes it was probably a bad decision, but to call for boone’s head is outright ridiculous in my opinion. people are blaming ownership for cutting payroll (nevermind that the reduced payroll team had more wins), and wanting boone fired even after what was a great regular season and the yankees dealt with so much this season that 100 wins looks like a slight miracle, as well as wanting both stanton and sanchez traded for scraps. it’s not like the yankees window is closing anytime soon, so i think yankees fans need to step back and take some perspective. yes it is a disappointing way to end your season, especially against your biggest rival, but it is what it is, reactionary moves like these rarely work out.

as far as the game concerns, the whole team is to blame. CC needs to pitch better. the offense was missing in action for 17 of the last 18 innings of this series, completely anemic showings against eovaldi and porcello, so it’s as much on them as anyone else, and boone needs to manage better. it will be an interesting offseason for the yankees as they need to decide if they should move on from some of the aging vets like gardner and CC (both no brainers if you ask me) and how do they supplement the starting rotation. work to be done, but it could always be worse.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
7 years ago

I really hope that this exit doesn’t result in an over-reactive Hot Stove season for Cashman. The Boston Buzzsaw just chewed up the Yanks, but the series really did hinge on two rallies (in Games 1 and 4) that fell just short. Them’s the breaks in a short series.

That being said, if I’m the GM of the Yanks, I’m preparing an offer for Corbin right now. I don’t really trust Keuchel, and I’d only want Happ on a 1-yr deal, which I suspect won’t get it done. Eovaldi would be a nice get, but there does seem to be at least a little bit of animus there between him and the Yankee org–which I wouldn’t blame him on.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago

I don’t think they get overreactive. I think they try to make the team better. Obviously they need to get SP, but the right SP. Corbin and the Yankees seem like a perfect match and hopefully they get him on a reasonable deal. I trust Cashman

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

I think that Corbin is the guy a lot of teams are going to want. Sure, what every team really wants is Clayton Kershaw, but Corbin looks like he’s an ace, has had better health than Kershaw lately, and is going to cost a lot less. I would expect a ton of teams to be in on him–the Yankees, the Nationals, the Mariners, the Angels…and the Cubs if they aren’t too proud to admit mistakes, the D-Backs if they try to remain competitive, and the Brewers depending on the price tag.

Green Mountain Boy
7 years ago

Please… correct me if I’m wrong…. But didn’t the Yankees already HAVE Eovaldi at one point in the not so distant past?

Paul G.Member since 2016
7 years ago

Yes. After the 2014 season the Yankees sent Martin Prado and David Phelps to the Marlins for Eovaldi, Domingo German, and Garrett Jones. Eovaldi gave the Yankees a decent season in 2015, was mediocre to the point that he lost his rotation spot for a while in 2016, and then blew out his elbow and was out for the rest of 2016 and all of 2017. The Yankees released him after 2016 since they were certain he would not be back for 2017 and he was going to be a free agent after that anyway.

FS54
7 years ago

Both managers gambled big time, Boone with CC and Cora with Kimbrel. Kimbrel was lucky to get out of that inning without blowing a 3-run lead.

Les Vegetables
7 years ago
Reply to  FS54

It’s true Kimbrel didn’t pitch great, and that he had no command, but I think it’s a stretch to say he was lucky to get out of the inning without blowing it. Entering the inning the Yankees had a 4.4% win expectancy, and even after hitting Neil Walker it only spiked to 34%. I actually give Cora a lot of credit for understanding the situation and not panicking by pulling Kimbrel, considering he is by far the best RP the Sox have, and the odds were always in Kimbrel’s and the Red Sox favor. It would have taken a lot of luck on the Yankees part for them to comeback in that situation.

FS54
7 years ago
Reply to  Les Vegetables

Let’s just look at the batters he retired! It took Stanton over-swinging twice after Kimbrel had walked a batter and allowed a hit, Gary’s long flyout, and a very good defensive play by Nunez and Pearce for 3 outs. A few degrees difference to Gary’s launch angle or slower roller to 3B by Gleyber would have made the game much more interesting. Do the numbers account for plays that were made to record outs? The way I saw it, Kimbrel seemed lucky to escape that inning.

KervinMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  FS54

Hmm I don’t know, Didi’s single and Gary’s flyout were 21% and 22% hit probabilities, respectively. Sure, if they hit it differently, Kimbrel might have not gotten out of the inning, but if they hit it differently the other way maybe it just would have looked easier, or Gary would have been out 3 because Didi didn’t get on.

FS54
7 years ago
Reply to  Kervin

Where are you getting these hit probabilities from?

LoafyTrophy
7 years ago

It’s pretty apparent (and has been for most of the year) that Cora is the guy who was the bench coach for the champions in the World Series last year and Boone is the guy who called the Little League World Series last year.

Hopefully Boone gets better is all I can say.

Mick Dee
7 years ago
Reply to  LoafyTrophy

I won’t sit here and say the Yankees would have won this series had Girardi still been manager, but I can’t help but think he would have done a better job managing the bullpen.

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
7 years ago

The problem I have with these ‘left him in too long’ angles is that how does one really know when to pull a pitcher? It’s true, Boone probably gave Sabathia more rope given veteran status, interactions, who knows, and should have taken him out earlier. Should CC have been pulled before Nunez? Kinsler? Pearce? Before the second inning started because the first one was rocky?

One could point to Win Expectancy and say aha, when it dips below this percentage a pitcher should be pulled. What is that number? Should Boone have been in contact with the Yankee analysts and just taken their word for when to strategically pull Sabathia? It all seems like hindsight to me at least with Sabathia. I actually thought limiting the Sox to three runs or so wasn’t too bad for Sabathia, which was a somewhat typical amount for him during starts in 2018. Maybe the real issue was starting him at all, as one knew what he was going to do going in.

I think the main issue with the time in New York was that the Red Sox starters surprisingly showed up, for there wasn’t a lot of faith here in Boston that they’d be able to keep the Yankees at bay. Blame the NY pitchers for Game 3, but blame the vaunted Yankee hitters for not doing more in Game 4.

baubo
7 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

It was clear from the start that Sabathia was not missing bats. The Red Sox we’re making good contact regardless of whether or not they were scoring runs.

At that point Boone has to decide if Sabathia will come around and get settled in, or if luck was going to run out. For most teams, even those in the playoffs, it’s probably not the wrong bet to hope Sabathia gets settled in. But the Yankees have the best and deepest bullpen in baseball and they are facing elimination. So you would think he’d lean more towards pulling the starter.

dl80Member since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

After the Kinsler double when it was clear that Sabathia wasn’t going to suddenly settle in and blow guys away.

Mookie Wilson
7 years ago

I know you felt like you had to put an apologia for Boone in there at the end after trashing him, but you really didn’t. He’s awful.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
7 years ago

someone forward this to John Smoltz

Jon
7 years ago

I was a big Aaron Boone apologist for the first month or two of the season, but as a diehard Yankee fan, I have to say that he was an unmitigated disaster. The Yankees won 100 games in *spite* of him, not because him. He may be a great clubhouse guy and communicate with the players well (which, to be fair, is an incredibly important and underrated part of a manager’s job). But his in-game decisions, particularly related to bullpen management, were the worst I’ve ever seen.

Time after time he’d use his poor relievers in (relatively) high leverage situations (e.g. down by 1), while using the good ones with huge leads. It was almost like the team was managed by a primitive computer program with much-too-simple rules for using relievers: if team is losing by any amount, use Shreve/Warren/Cole; if team is winning by any amount, use Robertson/Betances/Green. Unfortunately for the team (and the overworked good relievers) this went largely unnoticed (partially because a good amount of the misuse came in Yankee victories).

I’m so happy that he’s getting panned in the media for the decisions in the ALDS because it (hopefully) makes it more likely that he’ll be let go. If so, I’ll be honest – I’ll miss (just a little) having a young, “cool” manager who gives good interviews and just sounds like a genuinely nice guy. But there are a lot of other people who can do that. Maybe just hire a Hollywood actor – he’d likely make better use of the pen anyway.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Maybe it’s just me, but I’d call winning 100 games a mitigated disaster rather than an unmitigated one.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This is why so many of us root for the Yankees to lose. What Yankees fans need is a few decades of irrelevance to reset their expectations.

johnforthegiants
7 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I don’t see it that way. I despise the Yankees as a matter of principle (if such a thing is possible) but I can understand that if you’re a serious baseball fan, no matter how well your team does there isn’t anything more infuriating than having your team run by a bad manager.

Jon
7 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

It’s got nothing to do with relevance or irrelevance. 2016 was honestly more fun to watch than this season. And like most people here, I know that the postseason is largely a crapshoot, so at least in the context of the playoffs I have zero expectations.

Boone’s decisions would be as maddening if the team won 100 games or if they won 60. I understand that other people don’t like the Yankees because of their wealth, and I can’t blame them. I like to think that I “paid my dues” in the late 80s/early 90s (which is when I became a fan).

At least recently though, I know we’re all aware that the most significant contributions have been made by players making the league minimum who could have been signed or drafted by anyone. So there’s that.

Jon
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I wouldn’t call winning 100 games a disaster at all (and didn’t). It’s certainly possible for a manager to be a disaster regardless of the team’s win total. Hell, with the talent on that team, you could have made every decision all year long by flipping a coin and they still would have likely made the playoffs.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Of course Boone was a disaster, but if you think that it wasn’t mitigated by winning 100 games, then I think cowdisciple is right.

dl80Member since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Jon

I agree that Boone isn’t good with bullpen management (or in-game strategy at all, really). The question is, can an offseason of self-reflection get him to change? If the answer is no, then he ought to be gone.

I don’t really blame him for struggling in his first experience as a manager, but I do blame him if he doesn’t make some changes. The fact that he didn’t seem to learn anything over ~170 games isn’t a great sign.

Jon
7 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Agreed. This is not rocket science at all. If he struggled with some other aspects of the job (say, leadership or clubhouse stuff, or even with the introduction of some complicated new sign system or something like that), I’d say “give him a chance, he can learn.”

But if it takes a full season to learn that it’s a better idea to use your good relievers when you’re down by one run instead of up by 8 (especially when you have an offense like he did), I have to think he’s beyond hope.

johnforthegiants
7 years ago

I don’t know much about Boone and I can understand that Yankees’ fans in calling for his head now may be getting a little carried away, but the kind of things he’s done in this series seem to me to be not just mistakes where he happened to make a bad choice but more indicative of someone who has simply decided before the game how long he’s going to go with each pitcher and isn’t gone to change significantly regardless of how things develop, that is, somehow whose idea of managing is no more than following a few basic rules regardless of the particular circumstances and regardless even of whether the rules make much sense. That isn’t someone who’s going to be a good manager. I was particularly horrified by his explanation for having Severino pitch to Bradley in game 3 as being because obviously Bradley was going to bunt. This isn’t just a miscalculation, there’s something wrong with the thought processes.

Jon
7 years ago

Agreed. I’ve seen some debate among Yankee fans about just how much input (on an in-game, decision by decision basis) the front office and analytic staff has. In other words, some people claim that Boone more or less is given a huge flowchart for each game which attempts to handle every situation (within reason). I don’t know if that’s true or not, but if so it’s really an indication that the manager is not right for the job.

And for the record, I absolutely hate Boone, but didn’t think his decisions in game 4 were all that bad (as opposed to game 3). CC wasn’t getting hit particularly hard. At some point you just have to shrug and admit that if the offense that set the home run record and finished 2nd in the majors in runs scored can’t score more than one meaningful run against Eovaldi and Porcello, maybe they just deserve to lose regardless of how much harder their manager makes it on them.

johnforthegiants
7 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Also for the record, I had no idea that Yankee fans were having this debate but from the very limited exposure I’ve had to Boone’s managing, that’s basically what I would have guessed. He manages like a robot.

Dave TMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Jon

“In other words, some people claim that Boone more or less is given a huge flowchart for each game which attempts to handle every situation (within reason). I don’t know if that’s true or not, but if so it’s really an indication that the manager is not right for the job.”

Not to say that the analytics community is 100% correct on this point, but I’d say that there’s a pretty large contingent within it that believes that the best manager actually would be one who would accept and implement such a “flowchart” (or at least a pretty detailed set of guidelines for things like pitching changes). What this manager then brings to the job is primarily the ability to be a “manager” in the soft skills sense of handling the task of dealing with the players as a collection of people and personalities, including getting players to buy into the decision-making strategies that are formulated by the analytics staff.

Hand-in-hand with that idea is research – such as Mitchell Lichtman’s observation that the subsequent in-game performance of “dealing” vs. “struggling” starting pitchers is in fact pretty much the same – suggesting that aspects of adjusting plans based on in-game observations do more harm than good.

Garyth
7 years ago

Are there numbers on how Torres’ home to first time? That last play had infield hit written all over it. When the camera panned to Pearce diving for the ball, Torres was about a full step behind where I thought he should have been.

Tony Wisconsin
7 years ago
Reply to  Garyth

A tweet from @AndrewSimonMLB (one of the MLB’s StatCast guys) said Torres was running faster than his averaged timed speed on the base paths. Not sure how to link tweets here, but:

“Gleyber Torres was busting it down the line there.

28.6 sprint speed (vs. season avg of 27.1)

4.19 seconds down the line from the right side, on a non-bunt. Fast, but maybe a few hundredths short.”

Garyth
7 years ago
Reply to  Tony Wisconsin

Thanks Tony! I admit maybe I was watching the play with colored glasses since I was wishing for more dramatic baseball. Felt like it eternity, but 4.19 is not slow at all.

Tony Wisconsin
7 years ago

The emphasis on Boone’s choice here feels like only looking at one side of the equation. It’s true that he reduced the Yankees’ win expectancy by leaving Sabathia in one or two batters too long, but that expectancy was already lower than it could have been… because the Yankees didn’t score any runs. And Sabathia *increased* the Yankees’ win probability in the first two innings he pitched (from 52.2% to 55.2%), so, from a purely results-oriented perspective, there was nothing wrong with having him start the game.

Kimbrel gifted the Yankees some baserunners, which turned into runs, but the Yankees were not a threat at any point to win that game prior to that, which had nothing to do with pitching changes (or lack thereof) and everything to do with the hitters.

Not that it excuses Boone’s choice, but it seems odd to single him out specifically for the Red Sox advancing.

johansantana17Member since 2026
7 years ago

“Both pitchers consistently got head in counts”

Heh

takkr22
7 years ago

Too much was made of the false narrative that the Yankee bullpen was historic along with downplaying the starting pitching. Far too much credit is given to “bullpen mania” while starters can also do the job as Houston showed last year.

The Sox were the better team and for the Yanks to have won Boone would have had to have been perfectly lucky. I heard some comments to pull Sabathia after one inning. Yeah right. Anyways if I were the Yanks, Happ gets that start.

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  takkr22

I agree regarding bullpen mania. It has to be more preferable for a starter to eat the innings, and I imagine for starters it may take a little while for them to get in a rhythm. Pulling a starter after one inning declares to that pitcher that their rhythm did not arrive fast enough. Sure, if a pitcher shows that they just don’t have it (Price, Severino) then make the call, but sometimes a manager is likely to side towards being patient.

It just doesn’t help that the Yankees decided to start a guy that pitched short innings, usually gave up a few runs and couldn’t be counted on to strike a lot of guys out. It’s no wonder fans were nervous with Sabathia on the hill and, whether it was a late pull or not, it’s also no wonder Sabathia didn’t make it to his usual five innings. Happ, Tanaka on short rest, etc might have been easier to stomach and maybe more effective too.

ItsPoPtime
7 years ago

I would have felt like the redsox were just that hot they would have hit most anyone no? Britton got taken deep. Opposite field. Granted in YS but by a terrible hitting catcher. I give the sox credit