Anthony Rizzo Clearly Violated the Posey Rule
It’s now been six years since Buster Posey lost most of the season due to a broken leg bone suffered in a home plate collision. Two years later, Major League Baseball adopted Rule 7.13 to deal with collisions at home plate, meaning we are now in the fourth year of the rule designed to prevent serious injuries like the one Posey suffered as well as limit the damaging effects of concussions. There are two parts to the rule, one for catchers and one for runners, and together, collisions at the plate have become pretty non-existent. That’s what makes Monday night’s collision–when Anthony Rizzo barreled down the line into Austin Hedges–notable. It’s now a rarity, but Rizzo’s play was in clear violation of the rule.
As Joe Maddon correctly noted after the game, the rule does not eliminate collisions entirely. But Maddon also incorrectly stated that it was a “good play”. The play was a violation of the rule, and the video evidence is indsiputable. Before we get to the play, let’s take a look at what the rule does and does not allow. Here’s the first, most relevant part of the rule:
(i) (7.13) Collisions at Home Plate
(1) A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate), or otherwise initiate an avoidable collision.
Now here’s the very last part of the play from the third base side of the field above the action:
Rizzo’s first two steps in that sequence his feet are on the foul side of the line. If you roll back further, you would see that every step leading up to this point also occurred in foul territory. Rizzo’s final two steps are a clear deviation from his direct pathway to the plate. Rizzo was trying to make it home safely. I don’t think anyone would dispute that. He had two options: 1) attempt to avoid a tag on his way to the plate or 2) attempt to dislodge the ball from Hedges by crashing into him. Rizzo chose the latter and made that attempt by changing his path immediately after the ball reaches his line of sight.
The last part of the rule above mentions an avoidable collision. We don’t need to get to that question because of the clear violation in the first part, but its again hard to argue that this collision wasn’t avoidable. Is there any wiggle room elsewhere in the rules that might lean towards Rizzo’s favor? The rest of the rule from above deals with the consequences for a violation and a statement that an appropriate slide doesn’t violate the rule, which didn’t matter here because Rizzo didn’t slide, Hedges held on to the ball and it was the final out of the inning so no baserunners were going to advance.
There are also comments to the rule to help with enforcement. Here’s one part:
The failure by the runner to make an effort to touch the plate, the runner’s lowering of the shoulder, or the runner’s pushing through with his hands, elbows or arms, would support a determination that the runner deviated from the pathway in order to initiate contact with the catcher in violation of Rule 6.01(i) (Rule 7.13), or otherwise initiated a collision that could have been avoided.
These are guides to help umpires out because sometimes the deviation might not be as clear as Rizzo’s. Let’s look at the end of the play:
In this case, Rizzo made no effort to touch the plate until after he plowed into Hedges. The rule doesn’t mention going in knee first, but Rizzo does pretty obviously push through Hedges with his hands arms. The rule comment also says:
A slide shall be deemed appropriate, in the case of a feet first slide, if the runner’s buttocks and legs should hit the ground before contact with the catcher.
In his piece over at CBSSports (which also includes some good perspectives on how MLB should respond), going over much of the same ground, Dayn Perry details the “buttocks and legs” of Rizzo in a compelling screenshot, reaching a similar conclusion to the one here. The rule comment does provide a potential out for Rizzo:
If a catcher blocks the pathway of the runner, the umpire shall not find that the runner initiated an avoidable collision in violation of this Rule 6.01(i)(1) (Rule 7.13(1)).
There’s a big problem with attempting to use this argument on behalf of Rizzo. Austin Hedges does not move his left foot as he’s waiting for the ball, his leg is clearly out in front of home plate, and the placement of his body his essentially unmoved from well before the ball arrived. This is a problem for Rizzo’s defense because in order to argue that Rizzo’s collision was “good”, you would need to believe that what Austin Hedges did violated the second part of the collision rule, in part here:
Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the umpire, the catcher without possession of the ball blocks the pathway of the runner, the umpire shall call or signal the runner safe.
If Hedges had the ball and he was blocking Rizzo’s path, then Rizzo is free to collide with Hedges. Because Hedges barely moved when he received the ball, and he didn’t have the ball until Rizzo was just a few feet away, that means that Hedges’ position while Rizzo was going down the line needed to have been blocking Rizzo’s path the entire time. Given Hedges’ positioning, this would be a ridiculous conclusion.
The rule for catchers also has a provision allowing the catcher to get in the way on a “legitimate attempt to field the throw”, and just to clarify and reinforce the collision rule, the rule goes on to say,
In addition, a catcher without possession of the ball shall not be adjudged to violate this Rule 6.01(i)(2) (Rule 7.13(2)) if the runner could have avoided the collision with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) by sliding.
Even if Hedges was a little bit in the way (he wasn’t), he still wouldn’t have violated the rule if Rizzo could have avoided the collision (he could’ve). While a catcher is not supposed to block the plate, the onus is still on the runner to try and avoid the collision. Rizzo made no attempt to avoid the collision. He actively sought one out. Joe Maddon is simply sticking up for his players, and that’s his job, but this is where he gets the rule wrong, saying:
“The catcher is in the way. You don’t try to avoid him in an effort to score and hurt yourself. You hit him, just like Riz did.”
While the catcher was not in the way. Even if he was, it is still the runner’s job to try and avoid a collision by sliding. Let’s look at the rule comment once again, and take notice of “or” when discussing the types of actions that support a violation:
The failure by the runner to make an effort to touch the plate, the runner’s lowering of the shoulder, or the runner’s pushing through with his hands, elbows or arms, would support a determination that the runner deviated…
Collisions are sometimes unavoidable, but a player is supposed to make every effort to slide and ramming through the catcher in almost any instance violates the rule. That might not be what some consider to be a good part of baseball, but that’s the rule as written.
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There’s an angle of Rizzo from behind where you can very, very clearly see him juke toward the catcher.
Even in the first gif above, you can see him go from foul territory to a foot inside fair territory.
In every online discussion I’ve seen on this play people counter this “A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher” with another quote from the rest of the rules and regulations regarding collisions at the plate.
This is like one of those T/F questions you had in school. If what happened in the play is what is described above than the rest of the rule regarding home plate collisions don’t really matter. What’s so difficult to understand about this? Rizzo is a good guy (off the field) who likes to push the envelope for what’s allowed. He gets hit by pitches that are almost inside the strike zone and he plows guys at 2nd and home when he thinks he can get away with it.
fwiw, he gets hit by pitches that are outside the strike zone. See: https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/877068488556392448
How does that contradict anything lipitorkid said?
Yes, lipitorkid said “He gets hit by pitches that are almost inside the strike zone,” and that graphic shows him getting hit by pitches that are almost inside the strike zone, including one where the circle is actually touching the boundary. He also gets hit by a lot of pitches that are far away from the strike zone, but that’s not the point–most batters probably don’t get hit by pitches that close to the zone at all.
The most compelling thing is Rizzo’s quote, paraphrasing “from talking to the umpires my understanding is that if the catcher has the ball it’s game on”.
Rizzo stated his belief that he can plow the catcher if he has the ball, but that’s not strictly true based on the rulebook. Rizzo plainly doesn’t know the intricacies of the new rule and probably didn’t know that he was breaking the rule. Still did it though.
I like that Rizzo is still baseball player despite the rule. Go ahead and suspend him for a game or make him read some public statement.
No, in this moment he’s a football player. If he was following the rules of baseball, the sport he’s actually playing, he wouldn’t have done that.
Yeah but let’s not come down too hard on the guy. For decades his play did follow the rules of baseball, but then they changed the rules and it wasn’t OK anymore. And then catchers got called for interference all the damn time so then they tweaked the rule a second time. I think it’s fair to say that MLB has been a mess on this rule and that not knowing the rule is somewhat forgivable in this context. I’m not ashamed to say that I didn’t know if it was against the rules when I saw it last night.
I agree we shouldn’t judge him too harshly, since he seems like a good guy. I don’t think he wanted to hurt anyone; the above quote seems to clearly indicate that he just didn’t know the rule.
But, I don’t agree that this rule is a “mess”. If it were, I would think we’d see violations like Rizzo’s all the time. So saying it’s all a mess seems to suggest that Rizzo isn’t really to blame, which I don’t buy. He’s still a professional who should know the rules for his job, especially the ones that keep his coworkers safe.
So, sure, don’t treat him to harshly, but only as long as he’s willing to learn from his mistake.
Seems like a pretty easy rule to follow – aim for home plate, not the catcher. If you have trouble understanding it, then maybe a suspension and a loss of salary will help you remember.
Wow, calling a play at the plate, football. Millennial thought on display.
Agreed. He broke the rule but that does not make it wrong. The catcher has the ball and is blocking half of the baseline, the inside half.
Yawn. Who cares? It is a half-baked, reactionary rule in the first place. Catchers and runners will always get hurt on plays at home plate – moving on…
I’m not sure reactionary means what you think it does.
Hedges certainly felt that Rizzo was brutalizin’ him
Does the MLB rulebook include discussion of punishments beyond the context of the game (e.g., suspensions, fines)? An out seems entirely insufficient for this rule, since it’s functionally zero deterrent. If I’m out by a mile, then I’ll bulldoze the catcher every time if the worst punishment is being called out anyway.
Is plowing into a catcher similar to throwing intentionally at a batter? If so, the punishment for potentially injuring an opponent through recklessness is a multiple game suspension.
Here’s the thing: the umpire actually waited and looked at Hedges to see if he held onto the ball. If he didn’t have it, that umpire would likely have ruled Rizzo safe. The umpire didn’t know the rule either! That makes me believe Rizzo actually asked umpires about the play, and gives me hope he was doubtful of the advice he was getting from his manager.
Misspelled word in last paragraph: “unaviodable.”
thanks. fixed.
Same deal in the first paragraph: should be “non-existent.”
I understand Maddon needing to back up his guy, but they’re clearly wrong if they think it’s “game on” so long as the catcher has the ball.
Maddon wasn’t just standing up for his player, unless he was laying the ground work ahead of time. After Ian Happ’s over-aggressive slide turned a force play into a double play against the Cardinals on May 13, Maddon said the slide rule at second was stupid, and then added that the slide rule at home plate doesn’t belong in baseball. [I can’t find a direct quote; the ESPN article by Jesse Rogers (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19377486/chicago-cubs-joe-maddon-jon-lester-rip-slide-rule-loss-st-louis-cardinals) paraphrases him on the rule at home plate.]
Guys, I’m beginning to think Joe Maddon isn’t baseball’s cool uncle any more.
I think that’s very much in keeping with being baseball’s cool uncle, right up there with Popovich hating 3 pointers.
Sometimes the cool uncle is also the drunk uncle, at least every once and a while.
Maddon has a reputation as a hipster iconoclast, but you don’t have to dig very far to find plenty of Old School bluster from him. To choose just one quote, from 2015, talking about his feelings toward bat-flipping: “The touchdown celebration, all that stuff, pounding your chest after dunking a basketball, all this stuff that’s become part of today’s generation of athletes… I would just prefer that our guys would act like they’ve done it before.”
That reputation is very very much undeserved, then. I think he’s one of those guys that seems great if he’s employed by “your” team, but seems like a humungous ass to everyone else.
Why do so many of the pro “look at me” people that love showboating think that it’s such an important part of the game? Do you honestly think that Bautista or someone else doing it is so much more entertaining than the act of hitting the HR itself? If so, why?
While we are at it, what the hell does bat flipping have to do with young people taking a liking to baseball?
Any other coach who joked about “plantar fasciitis” after one of his players broke an opponent’s leg on a takeout slide would have been thoroughly dragged over the coals for it, and rightly so.
(Some folks have defended that as a well-intentioned comment–but when else have you heard a manager delivering a medical report on an opposing player, let alone a clearly inaccurate one?)
Maybe I’m just being an apologist, but I think he was hoping Hedges would overcommit to the far side since runners usually go out there with the slide and reach. And when he didn’t, there was nothing Rizzo could do.
Anyway, that’s what the replay looked like to me.
I think I agree with you. My read of the play, based on the excellent discussion of the rule above, is that Rizzo did violate the rule, though he didn’t intend to do so. The way he kind of pulls his arms and shoulders back towards him as he’s “sliding” makes me think he wasn’t going for a collision, but got one anyway. And as the rule doesn’t require intent, he broke it. (Perhaps this is at odds with his comments after the game about it being “game on,” but that’s my read of his body movements, anyway.)
Sorry — he went in knees first. Even if he accidentally got himself to where the collision was unavoidable, that’s just wrong.
Considering he starts his “slide” when he’s nearly in batters box makes me think he did exactly what he was wanting to do.
This also seems possible to me, though I’m not going to go so far as to claim that I think that was Rizzo’s intention. My main evidence is that I can’t come up with a reason why anyone would lead with their knees the way Rizzo actually did on purpose. That’s less an attempt to injure the catcher than an attempt to end his own career. He’s lucky he still has a left kneecap.
It’s conceivable that he got caught in between sliding or making some other move to avoid the tag and just sort of pulled all his limbs in in reaction to the imminent collision.
…his comment after however makes it sound like he intentionally slammed into the catcher.
The play was wrong. Maddon’s comments are worse. I think Maddon deserves any discipline more than Rizzo.
Now what we need is a clear following of the unwritten baseball rules – the next two times Rizzo comes against the Padres, he gets hit.
Shame Weaver isn’t “healthy” enough to groove a 78 mph heater into his rear end. That would teach him.
Weaver is close to being reinstated, but the Cubs series is done for the year, and Weaver won’t be playing for the Padres next year.
Are fielders at the other bases allowed to contact the runner if they’re making a legitimate attempt to field the ball?
Yes, what’s your point?
Oh ok, I didn’t know they could do that. I was thinking of rundowns were I thought any contact with a fielder and the runner was safe, but I guess it’s always one without the ball when that happens. It seemed strange for the rule banning collisions at the plate to carve out a legal collision.
Thanks.
Not a fan of either team. Obvious breaking of the rule. Maddon would have a fit if Contreras had been on the receiving end of that.
Maddon’s a jackass and he clearly gets off on coaching his guys to pull this sort of crap.
For every Buster Posey, there’s going to be a Gleyber Torres, an unprotected runner who gets blindsided and injured by a player in pads for attempting to go around said catcher. Instead of making character judgments about players, maybe we should be talking about how the rules could be better changed to define what a runner can do to protect himself in a “bang bang” play BESIDES hitting the catcher.
Any evidence to back this nonsense up?
Hedges was entirely in fair territory from when he set up to receive the throw until the moment of impact. He never blocked the plate, not for one instant. The path from 3B line through home plate was clear. The collision occurred about a foot in front of the plate, on the mound side. Rizzo has no excuse for not sliding, and he should get a mild suspension.
People band together to play a game. One of them breaks the rules and, in doing so, intentionally physically assaults another player. For some reason this person is not treated as a criminal because of the place where this assault took place.
peak progressivism. flaming hot take
Wow, please go out in to the world and do something physical. The world needs more people that are not triggered by humans contacting another human during athletic events.
It was a vile play.
Its worst part is that since when the rule has been introduced we have never seen anything like that, I mean that before the rule change catchers were mentally prepared to take a hit, it is lucky that Hedges got away without a major injury. Rizzo mey be a good hitter, but he is an utterly stupid person, a person who ignores the rules of his job is stupid, especially when such ignorance can lead to injuring someone else.
If MLB will not get act quickly and suspend Rizzo – 5 games would be right – we will see more collisions in the coming weeks.
Yeah, Hedges set up, the throw, and “tag” were all textbook execution of how MLB wants the defense to play to avoid dangerous contact. Then Rizzo barrels in out of the ’70s….
Or 2013…
Moral of the story is it is a really idiotic rule that MLB has done a pitiful job of explaining and enforcing.
Best part of this thread is all the hate for Rizzo Joe and anything Cubs. I love it, we are going to win it all again this year and keep the tears coming.
Did you accidentally find yourself here while looking for Bleacher Report?
The surprising thing about this was that Rizzo and Maddon made it seem like they did nothing wrong. It actually would have been smarter for Rizzo to try to slide wide and avoid the tag. He could well have been safe. As it was, he would have been called out for violating the rule even if he had dislodged the ball.
No, he might have been safe. I mentioned above that the umpire waited and looked at Hedges, and only signaled the out when he saw that Hedges still had the ball. The umpire didn’t know the rule.
Dirty Rizzo.
Yes, although the rule is poorly thought out and should not exist, Rizzo broke the rule here.
I will say this, if you move Hedges over so that his crotch was right in the middle of the baseline, blocking the plate, then Rizzo should have every right to do exactly what he did, even according to the rule. Otherwise you are asking players to get hurt by changing direction too fast, or jumping over the catcher which is also a huge injury risk. The runner can’t be asked to leave the baseline to try and score at home.
However, Rizzo clearly changed direction to knock Hedges over. What he should have done is almost impossible. He should have tried a normal foot-first slide, and because of the idiotic’slide’ rule, angle his cleat to the catcher’s glove to knock the ball out since the catcher’s glove is clearly blocking the plate, (another injury risk for the catcher) all while doing this after his butt and leg touch the dirt, or be called out. What a ridiculous rule.
Yeah, he violated the rule. The rule is sh*tty. I like the old rule where as long as you could reach the bag/plate, any contact was fair game. The game should reward the guy who is willing to be tougher than the other guy, willing to put his body on the line. Baseball is losing the little bit of toughness it has left. As an offensive player you should be doing everything in your power to help your team score runs. If you play professional sports you accept a certain risk of injury. Even before the rule change, collisions were relatively rare, and the majority of the time both parties walked away uninjured. There’s not a great enough risk of injury to justify eliminating the play altogether. Bravo for Rizzo laying a mother*cker out. If you don’t want to get hit, don’t stand within arms reach of the plate when receiving the ball. Stand up the line and sweep tag like a p*ssy. Between that and the way he owns the inner half of the plate, he’s a true old-school player.