Are the Dodgers Now the Team to Beat?
Well before the rumors of a deal between the Dodgers and Orioles surfaced this week, Manny Machado was — as a legitimate star with an expiring contract on a team unlikely to contend — considered the prize of this year’s trade deadline. The 2018 season has done nothing so far to invalidate that notion, Machado bouncing back considerably from a surprisingly unimpressive 2017 season to hit .315/.387/.575, all three parts of that slash line representing career bests. The move back to shortstop hasn’t been quite as successful, but even a narcoleptic Jeff Blauser would have significant value with this kind of offensive contribution.
It took about 92 games longer than expected, but the Dodgers entered the All-Star break in first place, caressing a half-game lead over the Arizona Diamondbacks in the NL West. Nor is it a two-team race: the Colorado Rockies sit just two games back and the team’s traditional rivals, the San Francisco Giants, are still hanging on four games behind despite a bevy of nasty surprises in the rotation this season. There are reasons to believe that the Dodgers are in better position than their slim divisional lead might suggest, their somewhat modest record due more to underperformance than any fatal flaw in how the roster is designed. Even before the Machado trade, the updated ZiPS projections saw the Dodgers as the strongest National League team in terms of the strength of roster and the likely depth-chart configuration.
| Team | Roster Strength |
|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | .584 |
| Chicago Cubs | .572 |
| Washington Nationals | .542 |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | .531 |
| St. Louis Cardinals | .530 |
| Milwaukee Brewers | .528 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | .520 |
| Colorado Rockies | .515 |
| San Francisco Giants | .514 |
| Atlanta Braves | .514 |
| Pittsburgh Pirates | .488 |
| New York Mets | .472 |
| Cincinnati Reds | .466 |
| San Diego Padres | .444 |
| Miami Marlins | .409 |
There are areas where ZiPS produces different results than the official postseason odds calculated from the combined Steamer/ZiPS projections. ZiPS, for example, has long preferred the Braves, Brewers, and Phillies while being a bit Nationals-skeptical, but both the ZiPS and FanGraphs methodologies agree that the Dodgers had the best roster in the National League before the trade. The problem the Dodgers faced is that, while the mean projections obviously look quite favorably on their prospects, mean projections also don’t account for the uncertainty around the numbers, which can be quite significant. Even firmly believing that the Dodgers had the strongest roster in the NL West, ZiPS still called for them — after a million years of game-by-game matchups — to lose out on the division about once every three times.
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | DIV% | WC% | PLAYOFF% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 91 | 71 | — | .562 | 69.6% | 17.3% | 86.9% |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 87 | 75 | 4 | .537 | 20.3% | 32.0% | 52.3% |
| Colorado Rockies | 85 | 77 | 6 | .525 | 7.3% | 19.5% | 26.8% |
| San Francisco Giants | 83 | 79 | 8 | .512 | 2.8% | 9.9% | 12.7% |
| San Diego Padres | 68 | 94 | 23 | .420 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Rebuilding teams ought to value risk and uncertainty. Contending teams, on the other hand, have a great deal of incentive to be more risk-averse. While the Dodgers are generally very well run, even reasonable decisions can lead to less-than-ideal outcomes (see the Astros and J.D. Martinez or the Cubs and Jason Heyward‘s contract). I felt, like the team did, that Logan Forsythe was a solid short-term pickup, with LA valuing some short-term stability at second base over Jose De Leon’s upside. While the actual results haven’t been terrible from a value-gained standpoint — at least not yet, thanks in large part to De Leon’s Tommy John surgery — Forsythe has recorded only a .219/.326/.318 line and 1.3 WAR in his time in Los Angeles. Max Muncy can theoretically play second base, of course, but just committing to him full-time at the position is, again, a little riskier than the Dodgers should be thinking. It’s getting increasingly difficult to see Forsythe even finish the season as a Dodger now because, with Chris Taylor at second and Muncy, Kiké Hernandez, and Chase Utley all capable of handling second — and, theoretically, Machado or Justin Turner in an emergency — he’s not bringing much to the table.
All told, when comparing the team’s expectations before and after the trade, the difference is about +1.7 wins per 66 games for Los Angeles, on average. That’s enough to make the Dodgers a .610 team in the eyes of ZiPS — note that this is not the expected winning percentage, which considers game-by-game matchups — a figure that moves them past the Red Sox (.603) and Yankees (.607) while pulling them closer to the Astros (.620). In terms of World Series probabilities, the bump from 14.1% to 16.3% is significant, as these things go, although winning the division is still the best predictor of a World Series victory at this point.
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | DIV% | WC% | PLAYOFF% | DIV CHG | PLAYOFF CHG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 93 | 69 | — | .574 | 80.0% | 13.4% | 93.5% | 10.4% | 6.6% |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 87 | 75 | 6 | .537 | 13.7% | 37.3% | 51.0% | -6.7% | -1.3% |
| Colorado Rockies | 85 | 77 | 8 | .525 | 4.6% | 21.1% | 25.8% | -2.7% | -1.1% |
| San Francisco Giants | 83 | 79 | 10 | .512 | 1.7% | 10.3% | 12.0% | -1.1% | -0.7% |
| San Diego Padres | 68 | 94 | 25 | .420 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
If any team’s fans should be unhappy, it’s not the Orioles’. In the last 24 hours, I’ve seen a lot of O’s fans bemoaning the fact that the Orioles didn’t make a trade that would singlehandedly stock the farm system. The truth is, there was never going to be a Walker Buehler in this trade, there was never going to be an Alex Verdugo–Keibert Ruiz–Yusniel Diaz package out there. If the Dodgers were ever going to give up more for Machado in 2018 — and it still wouldn’t be like anything in the last sentence — it would’ve been when the team was truly in a difficult position, as many as nine games back in early May and fighting with the Padres for fourth place while Arizona’s average pitcher was performing like Chris Sale and Corey Seager was newly out for the season. Baltimore actually fared better than I expected, with enough teams in the race for Machado that he fetched a package superior to the one Detroit landed for J.D. Martinez in 2017.
Don't believe what you read about the Manny trade. This is the *real* story of how the trade talks went. pic.twitter.com/DRN5jLevpt
— Dan Szymborski (@DSzymborski) July 18, 2018
The rest of the NL West (well, except the Padres) should feel a bit uncomfortable now. While their projected playoff odds don’t take major hits, the three other contending teams each lose roughly a third of their chances of winning the division, an extremely unpleasant development in baseball’s current playoffs system that gives a gigantic handicap to Wild Card teams versus division-winning teams, via the one-game wild card playoff. And responding to this kind of acquisition isn’t easy. Not only do the Dodgers gain a playoff boost, they also take away the possibility of getting that same Machado-driven playoff boost from the other teams in the division, especially Arizona. It was already difficult to imagine the team cobbling together a package that could land Machado, but even if they could, he’s no longer for sale. There’s no store that offers another Manny Machado at the Orioles’ price. Imagine a world in which the Diamondbacks were able to land Manny. The contours of the NL West race would change significantly.
| Team | W | L | GB | PCT | DIV% | WC% | PLAYOFF% | DIV CHG | PLAYOFF CHG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 91 | 71 | — | .562 | 55.1% | 29.1% | 84.2% | -14.5% | -2.6% |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 90 | 72 | 1 | .556 | 38.3% | 37.8% | 76.1% | 17.9% | 23.8% |
| Colorado Rockies | 85 | 77 | 6 | .525 | 4.9% | 18.0% | 22.9% | -2.4% | -3.9% |
| San Francisco Giants | 83 | 79 | 8 | .512 | 1.7% | 8.6% | 10.4% | -1.0% | -2.3% |
| San Diego Padres | 68 | 94 | 23 | .420 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Getting something you want is great. Simultaneously depriving the competition of something they want is even better. I don’t think Arizona would have been an impossibility. The Dodgers’ package is very good, but they keep the crown jewels. Could Baltimore have turned down a Jon Duplantier/Jasrado Chisholm/Taylor Clarke/Jimmie Sherfy package, or something of that nature? Maybe they quibble with the prospects, but I think Arizona had the potential to close a deal somehow, and in fact, I’ve heard enough whispers to back up the published reports that the Diamondbacks were in the hunt.
I tend to dislike sports clichés, but the whole “go big or go home” is applicable in a sport that is structured to penalize water-treading. The Dodgers went big here and even when Manny is a nice-to-have rather than a have-to-have, the team has significantly increased their odds of not being able to make any golf plans until November.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
I think the Diamondbacks will look to see if they can get a modest improvement in their infield. I honestly think Josh Harrison would be an interesting situation with his career batting profile in that park (could bring some juice back to his juuust not strong enough bat) there he could bat as an average/above average offensive output while being able to play 2b and 3b and spell in the OF as needed. Considering the lack of cost to acquire him, maybe that is something to respond instead of ‘go big’
FanGraphs was rightfully skeptical of the Nationals to begin the season, and excepting a torrid second half run, they won’t eclipse their preseason win total by any mark– be it FanGraph, Pecota, or Vegas. However, it is interesting that 538 has the Nationals at a 17% chance to win the division, Baseball Prospectus has them at a 12.3% chance, and FanGraphs has them at a whopping 45.5% chance. That’s a rather large discrepancy from FanGraphs.
ZiPS is closer to BP than FG. As I noted, it’s probably the largest discrepancy in our standing probabilities.
Would I be correct in thinking that Steamer is generally more conservative than ZiPS?
My impression is that the FG simulation doesn’t vary the team strengths from run to run: if the mean projection says the Nationals are a .580 team then they’ll be considered a .580 team in every run. That explains why the inter-quartile ranges are so tight (generally 5 or 6 wins).
As I understand it, BP and ZiPS do vary the team strengths based on their projection systems’ distributions. But I’m sure you can correct me if I’m wrong on at least one of those :).
Bold prediction: Eaton & Murphy post higher WAR ROS than Machado
Sometimes paying a full price can be worthwhile, if what you are adding is a difference-maker. Both teams got what they wanted out of this in terms of potential performance. The Dodgers get a lot closer to a divisional title, and then whatever happens from there, and the Orioles get a very decent return for an asset that was doing them no good and was about to leave for the price of a 1st Round pick.
Let’s wait a little before talking making this assessment. The Dodgers have an incredibly difficult schedule the remainder of July — @ MIL (3), @ PHI (3), @ ATL (4), then vs. MIL (2). Yes, they have been playing lights out baseball (27-11 since June began) but this will be a huge test. These are the teams the Dodgers will see in the playoffs and they have been relatively underwhelming against the NL’s best. LAD is 3-4 against the Cubs, 2-2 against the Phillies, 2-1 against the Braves, and 4-8 against the Dbacks (LAD has not played MIL yet this season). Also, the Dbacks have an easier schedule the remainer of the month– vs. COL (3), @ CHC (4), @SDP (3), vs. TEX (2). It is not unlikely that the Dbacks will be in first place to begin August. So, let’s see where LAD stands starting August 1.
Ideally, I’d like the benefit of analyzing this trade after seeing what happens and then coming back with a time machine, but I can’t exactly do that.
The guy’s pointing out a simple fact – the Dodgers’ schedule the next 2 weeks is clearly tougher than the Dbacks’ – and making a simple extrapolation from that, that the Dbacks certainly could be in first place going into August. Really, what’s thumbs’-downable or snarkable about that?? Gosh, you guys are uberly-thin-skinned nitwits. (providing y’all a clear example of a thumbs-downable/snarkable comment; see if you can note the difference between the two)
He’s telling me to wait until the future is until projecting the future, which kind of defeats the purpose.
(Also, the projections include the specific schedule).
I remember back in May when everyone was talking about the Yankees tough schedule, then they went 17-1.
The Dodgers will be competing with their NL West rivals in coming years, too. From a GM’s standpoint, had the Dbacks trashed their system in order to get Machado, I wouldn’t have much minded it.
I’m not sure why the Orioles would take this Dodgers package ahead of a Yankees package supposedly headlined by Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar.
I would be shocked if Andujar, Frazier, Florial, Sheffield were on the table, let alone two of them.
Think the Yankees probably topped out at something like Abreu, Estrada and Tate. Think the “Yankees take a big step forward” from a few days ago was them putting Abreu on the table.
My understanding had been that big movement on their part was adding Andujar to the package on top of Frazier.
That seems unlikely, mostly because not even the Orioles are that crazy to pass up Andujar/Frazier instead of Diaz.
EDIT: jdbolick beat me to it
Because there is absolutely no chance that the Yankees actually offered that, otherwise it would have been accepted in half a second.
But someone on the internets said they did!!!
I’d be interested in seeing the numbers – the Rockies have such black holes at 1B and the OF that you’d have to think that even if they can’t acquire Machado, they could acquire one or more significantly cheaper players who would improve their playoff chances by a comparable amount, because of what they’re replacing.
I’m not convinced the Rockies even truly realize there’s an issue, at least the extent of it.
Ouch. What’d Jeff Blauser do to you!?
He played major-league baseball… and we never did?
I don’t know if this is true, but I heard that a lot of Dodger prospects are going to be Rule 5 eligible, so unloading a sizeable amount of them was imperative for the Dodgers. That said, would the Padres have accepted the same prospects for Brad Hand?
what are your numbers saying about overall NL #1 seed? Are Dodgers going to be able to pass the Cubs/Brewers for the #1 seed? That would be a pretty big development IMO- getting to face wild card winner in the LDS.
He has LA at 93. Cubs have to be favored for over 93. 38-30 would get the Cubs to 94 wins.
Narcoleptic Jeff Blauser is my all-time favorite Brave. “Past a snoozing Blauser!”
A 6 WAR player is good for an extra .6 wins over replacement over a 16 game postseason.
So while it obviously gives them a boost, the numbers suggest its not that big of a move.
Curious for how the projections system raises the Dodgers chances 24% by adding 2 wins and lowers the rest of the NL West by 24% without changing their records.