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Wes
13 years ago

“Who the hell is that?”

Me, every time I check an A’s box score. Good on them, what a fantastic 2nd half.

Bab
13 years ago

Epitomizing “team baseball.” Amazing.

Desertfox
13 years ago

Truly the great thing about baseball.

Well-Beered Englishman
13 years ago

This is the only day all year they’ve been in first place.

MikeS
13 years ago

And the only day that really counts.

downbythebay
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

if the Rangers get eliminated from the playoffs, shall they be coined as going Buffalo Bills ?

Chris From Bothell
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

downbythebay: The Texas One-Strike-Aways will have turned into the Texas One-Game-Aways.

joser
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

I don’t know of a baseball team called the Buffalo Bills, but whatever sport that is, I suggest you retroactively say they got all deRanger’d.

Mick's Jagger
13 years ago

What could be better? Beating the Yankees, then WS champs. A team no one thought would scratch out 70 wins. Astros next year? HAH!

Fredchuckdave
13 years ago

Beane

Danmay
13 years ago

Wow, that is all

Anon21
13 years ago

I don’t even understand the seeding tiebreakers. If the Yankees win tonight, they have the same record as the A’s. They split their season series 5–5. Wikipedia unhelpfully informs me that the next tiebreaker is “The team with the best overall record in intradivision games.” So, do we compare the A’s’ record against the AL West to the Yankees’ record against the AL East, or is it the A’s’ record against the East compared to the Yankees’ against the West?

Anon21
13 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

I guess it actually doesn’t matter; either way, the A’s are ahead. So people need to quit saying “if the Yankees lose tonight, the A’s will be the #1 seed” in tones of wonderment; the A’s are already the #1 seed.

Anon21
13 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

oh, wait… never the fuck mind.

Dan
13 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

I have no idea what is going on here

Cooperstown2009
13 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

wat

Steve
13 years ago

I admire the hell out of the As

Slats
13 years ago

Liam Neeson trained Obi-Wan, Darth Vader, and Batman. Furthermore, he is both Zeus and Aslan, technically making him two different flavors of God. He also punches wolves. So why would you kidnap another member of his family?

Ron Washington
13 years ago

Choke? I thought you said coke!

Brad Pitt
13 years ago

I smell a sequel.

Rippers
13 years ago

Oakland Athletics are the greatest story in sports.

Not Tebow, LeBron, Dwight, Jets, Heat or Yankees.

Moneyball
13 years ago

Ladies and gentlemen, behold Moneyball 2.0!!

1. Take one of the lowest payroll teams in baseball, one that finished 74-88 a year ago.
2. Get rid of next year’s NL wins leader
3. While you’re at it, get rid of one of the top 5 RBI leaders in the AL for the next year as well.
4. Just for kicks, sign Brandon Inge once Detroit dumps him and make him your everyday 3B.
5. Use about 116 rookie pitchers, including one who was a position player in the minors until this year.
6. Remove any remaining offense from the two position players that anyone has still heard of (Suzuki and Barton).
7. Have Jemile Weeks turn into Jemele Hill at the plate until he’s sent down.
8. And, just to make it interesting, only win 26 of your first 61 games.

Daven
13 years ago
Reply to  Moneyball

You forgot import a Cuban.

Tom B
13 years ago
Reply to  Moneyball

9. Get extremely lucky.

Bab
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

All teams get lucky. Don’t be an ass.

The TIF
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

C’mon now…. there’s teams getting lucky then there’s the Baltimore Orio… oh wait, we’re not talking about them.

jrogersMember since 2017
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

I believe only half the teams get lucky, on average.

Cidron
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

the one thing about 162 games is, it tends to lessen the luck factor, as all teams have their lucky stretches.

AngMohClay
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

Lucky, please. Their pythagorean W-L is 92-70, and they averaged 0.6 more runs per game than their opponent. You don’t do that over 162 by luck.

Orioles on the other hand…

MyrAn
13 years ago
Reply to  Moneyball

9. Trade reliever for potential stud position players.

Reddick WAR 4.5 is the best of the Sox or the A’s. You could potentially change 9 to “Pilfer teams desperate to succeed.”

The Sox actually followed the revised number 9 when it shipped players to the Dodgers.

YA Booble
13 years ago
Reply to  Moneyball

Thanks for posting this for me. I had meant to put it here first but I was too caught up on the excitement of last night’s game when I posted this on ESPN.com first.

YA Booble

Just the facts, Jack
13 years ago

Actual, context free text message I sent on July 19th:

“Who the fuck is on the A’s?”

MikeS
13 years ago

Does this prove that 162 games is actually a small sample size?

dustin
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Just right in my book.

Jamie
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

I thought that was the Orioles

David WiersMember since 2016
13 years ago

I love this team.

/drinks another

Colin
13 years ago

You ready for As-Tigers? I know I am.

channelclemente
13 years ago

Must be asymmetric WARfare, huh.

Ok so...
13 years ago

Where’s the fangraphs article that tells me how they did it?

Miguel Cabrera
13 years ago
Reply to  Ok so...

Let me guess…Mike Trout

I Agree Guy
13 years ago
Reply to  Ok so...

You don’t quantify the unquantifiable.

The A’s are pure grit, scrappiness, and heart.

Colin
13 years ago
Reply to  I Agree Guy

Impossible, Nick Punto is not on the A’s roster last time I checked.

yeah
13 years ago
Reply to  I Agree Guy

And David Eckstein has been retired for years!

ChrisCEIT
13 years ago
Reply to  I Agree Guy

And Jason Kendall blah blah blah…

Average_Casey
13 years ago
Reply to  I Agree Guy

And Willie Bloomquist doesn’t play for them. He is the undisputed grittiest ball player of them all. You cannot forget about Willie Ballgame!

The Oakland A's Players
13 years ago

Who are all these people filling the stands and why did they take so long to do it?

Andre the Angels Fan
13 years ago

God I hate the A’s.

And the Orioles.

My blood is boiling right now.

Tom B
13 years ago

You should hate your underperforming Angels… not other teams that are playing well.

Captain Obvious/SelfServing
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

Thanks sir, I couldn’t have said it better.

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

I guess all you flamers have never heard of irony.

Average_Casey
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

Nah, he should hate Mike Scosia. He made sure your best player started in the minors and shipped off your best hitting catcher after you refused to play him. If you had Trout to start the year and had never gotten rid of Napoli, you may not be whinning right now.

NBarnes
13 years ago

Look on the bright side, you have years and years of Vernon Wells to look forward to. That should help keep you merry through the winter, yes?

Kazinski
13 years ago

Amount still owed to Vernon Wells as of April 2012: $75m.
A’s entire payroll as of April 2012: $53m

Or to put it another way:

Angels 2012 payroll: 151M
A’s and O’s combined 2012 payroll: 137m

chuckbMember since 2016
13 years ago
Reply to  Kazinski

Amount still owed to Albert Pujols: $225 + M

A’s payroll: $53 M

Matthias
13 years ago
Reply to  Kazinski

In all fairness, that $225M is over, what, 9 years?
But Pujols’ average yearly salarly is still nearly half of the entire A’s 2012 salary. Scary.

Wellhitball
13 years ago

It’s hilarious how much money your team spent this year.

For nothing, at all.

Bab
13 years ago
Reply to  Wellhitball

Trending: “MLB’s Richest Teams Impose Payroll Restrictions to Find “Price-Value Balance'”

Jack
13 years ago

Except Lew Wolff is a man and is still going to move the team…..

ron
13 years ago

with the Cuban slugger, the old 3rd baseman with the hurt shoulder, and the old pitcher who cheats

Keystone Heavy
13 years ago

Rangers fan here:

It should have never gotten to this. The fans and media (and from I understand, to some extent the front office) has been all over Wash for being too attatched to his veterans over the course of the year. Michael Young should not have been given the 4 month leash of sub 70 wRC+ in the 5 spot he was given. Craig Gentry should not have been sentenced to platoondom for the entire season, not getting a chance for more playing time no matter HOW WELL he did. Wash never gave the young players a chance. He always just kept the status quo, essesntially ignoring the problems on the team, justifying it with “we’re in first place!”

He coasted through the entire season, preparing his team for October in April and May. And not point during the season did he ever once manage the team with a sense of urgency.

Not to take anything away from Oakland. They played lights out after the all-star break. But if at ANY time Wash had decided to address the problems on the team, the could have- SHOULD HAVE- been avoided.

Bab
13 years ago
Reply to  Keystone Heavy

I noticed that Wash and the Rangers players sounded like there was *no way* they would get swept in this last three-game series.

“We know what we have to do and we’ll do it.”

“They’re playing good ball but we just have to execute.”

The Rangers totally took their position for granted.

Liver
13 years ago
Reply to  Bab

I would agree with that assessement. I have been saying most of this season that there has been something “missing” from the Rangers; they didn’t seem the same team as before; like they were being kicked out the door to go play.

Ron Washington
13 years ago
Reply to  Keystone Heavy

Look man, it’s the first time it’s happened.

Wellhitball
13 years ago
Reply to  Keystone Heavy

Wash turned into Dusty Baker this year. That’s what added pressure does to you. Next thing we hear about will be a stroke… especially if they get knocked out in this next game.

Wellhitball
13 years ago
Reply to  Keystone Heavy

Who cares about “ifs”, anyway? If I had a billion dollars, I’d have a billion dollars. You couldn’t take anything away from the A’s if you tried.

Eric
13 years ago

Oof. This hurts. It got to the point down the stretch that the only hitter I was confident in was Beltre and the only pitcher I was confident in was Yu…on a team that had six other All-Stars.

At least Michael Young is a leader though…?

Jack
13 years ago

This whole season has been game six all over again.

rorschach
13 years ago

Baseball!

Old School
13 years ago

Cameron continues his disdain for Miguel Cabrera and the triple crown.

No mention of the achievement at all.

wilt
13 years ago
Reply to  Old School

idjut.

Narra
13 years ago
Reply to  Old School

I agree! The perfect time to talk about Miguel Cabrera is in an A’s-Texas game thread. They are terribly related.

I wager the you’re the sort of person that feels the need talk about his bowel movements while at a five course dinner.

Ludwig von Koopa
13 years ago
Reply to  Narra

Maybe not the best analogy there… after all, bowel movements tend to be a direct consequence of dinner.

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  Old School

Thank God there was no mention, until you spoiled it with your big mouth.

williams .482Member since 2016
13 years ago
Reply to  Old School

Guys, this is a troll. You can’t win.

Train
13 years ago

hahahahahahaha – even with the year of mike trout, one of the greatest season’s ever, the angiss could not touch this rag tag band of misfits. what does that make mike trout and his super duper season? OVERrated! I mean, good for him, and wow, probably the best individual season I’ve ever seen, but… so… what…

bloop triple
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

At least Trout won’t have to worry about “postseason performance” pundits for another year.

Eno SarrisMember since 2020
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

Just more wins than the Tigers…

Old School
13 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

No postseason or MVP for Trout.

Also lower average, less HR’s & less RBI’s.

BJsWorld
13 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

More runs, more important position, elite level defense, elite level baserunning … do we really have to do this again.

Mike Trout was the better player. If Miggy wins it we will simply verify that the BBWA is still completely out of touch with reality.

Old School
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

CJ
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

>probably the best individual season I’ve ever seen
>OVERrated!

wat

Kazinski
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

By that logic Cabrera is OVERrated too.

The A’s won more games that the Tigers with Cabrera, the Rangers with Hamilton, the Angels with Trout and Pujols, and they got nobody.

I’ll bet the A’s entire roster combined for less than 100,000 allstar votes.

Wellhitball
13 years ago
Reply to  Kazinski

I think the A’s were like 77-43 with Cespedes, or something of that nature. more games than that, though.

BJsWorld
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

Yeah … your post pretty much makes no sense.

1. The Angels were 9-10 against the A’s. Basically that’s 500 baseball. Hard to suggest that the Angels “couldn’t touch them”.

2. Given that the A’s ended up with the 2nd best record in the AL it would reason that many teams had difficulty against them.

3. How does the A’s winning 94 games make Trout’s season overrated? Not sure you understand the distinction between a team accomplishment and an individual accomplishment.

4. So what? Mike Trout just had one of the greatest seasons of all time. He’s 21. He’ll be playing against your team for years to come. I would say that his season is historic and will have ramifications on baseball for many years.

Congrats to the A’s and the Rangers. The AL West proved to be the best division in baseball. The Angels were a disappointment despite an 89 win season. The M’s were the best cellar team in the game. All in all it was a solid year for the division.

Tim A
13 years ago
Reply to  BJsWorld

ALW best winning% division by far + MLB worst Houston Astros = worst season in history 2013, enjoy Crane shouldn’t have let them move you.

Old School
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

You realize Miggy hits a lot of doubles so has no need to steal second.

That voids your base stealing argument.

James
13 years ago
Reply to  Old School

Miggy hit a single or walked over 180 times this season. He only hit 40 doubles. He wasn’t always on 2nd…

Trout ended up on first about 180 times too, he just turned 50 of those into extra base hits by stealing.

Would you rather have 13 more doubles or 50 SBs?

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  Train

Yes, it was entirely Mike Trout’s fault that his team barely missed the playoffs.
Without him, they would never have been in contention and spared the embarrasment.

Wellhitball
13 years ago
Reply to  Baltar

Great point, James. Sincerely

Mike Trout
13 years ago

Dave cannot help the fact that I am the superior player.

Bryce Harper
13 years ago
Reply to  Mike Trout

Clown answer bro.

United States of Oakland
13 years ago

Oakland Athletics = “America’s Team”

David G
13 years ago

Oakland is a terrible place.

United States of Oakland
13 years ago
Reply to  David G

Says who?

You?

Delirium Nocturnum
13 years ago
Reply to  David G

Nonsense.

Dave Chappelle
13 years ago
Reply to  David G

I’ve said it numerous times.

Michael
13 years ago

The A’s won the division by 1 game. Bartolo Colon contributed 2.4 WAR this year. Your move, Texas Rangers lawyers.

Bab
13 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Texas-based SABR-lawyers.

I’d stay uninvolved.

BX
13 years ago
Reply to  Michael

The Rangers got 3 extra games with the Astros while the A’s got 3 extra games with the Giants thanks to natural rivalry. Rangers swept while A’s went 1-2.

And nobody would disagree that beating the Giants is significantly harder than beating the Astros.

Bartolo Colon
13 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Not only that, but I kept the Angels out of the playoffs as well.

But I guess no one here or elsewhere will bother to mention that

TheGrandSlamwich
13 years ago

As an Oakland A’s fan I can honestly say that tomorrow morning I will swear never to drink again!

ecp
13 years ago

Why does it say Cespedes error? It was Josh Hamilton’s error on a ball hit by Cespedes. Don’t your win probability graphs always list the player who made the error, not the player who hit the ball?

Eric Davis - 44 Magnum
13 years ago

The A’s are no 1995 Mariners, but I suppose this comeback is sorta nice.

Cus
13 years ago

It’s unfair to punish Miggy for his lack of speed. He’s 6’4″ and 250lbs+. Speed is valuable, but it’s also the one thing you can’t really improve upon as an athlete, and even if he trained with Olympic sprinters in the offseason, the effect would likely be slight.

williams .482Member since 2016
13 years ago
Reply to  Cus

I suspect it is easier to improve your speed than to improve the number of bottom-of-the-order hitters who reach base in front of you.

Bab
13 years ago
Reply to  williams .482

See what you’re saying, but no.

Cabrera could probably maintain his power numbers and increase his raw foot speed (not to mention agility on basepaths) by shedding 35-40 of those 250ish lbs. Even a quicker bat too.

But he also just won the Triple Crown and making million$. Why would he give a burrowing screw.