At Long Last, Clayton Kershaw Joins the 3,000-Strikeout Club

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It was ugly, it was labor-intensive, it was sobering — and probably humbling. Clayton Kershaw entered Wednesday night’s start in Los Angeles needing just three strikeouts to reach 3,000 for his career. Facing the White Sox, a team with the American League’s worst record (28-57) and the majors’ second-highest strikeout rate against lefties (26.6%), the 37-year-old southpaw repeatedly struggled to get from strike two to strike three, and only reached the milestone on his 100th and final pitch of the night. By the time he caught Vinny Capra looking at a slider on the outside edge of the plate, the Dodgers trailed 4-2, and Max Muncy had just departed with a serious knee injury while applying the tag on an attempted steal of third base. It took a textbook ninth-inning rally for the Dodgers to salvage a victory.

Here’s the big moment:

Kershaw is the 20th pitcher to reach 3,000 strikeouts. Reflecting the long-term trend of increased strikeout rates, he’s the 19th to reach 3,000 in the past 51 years and the 10th to do so during the Wild Card era. He joins Max Scherzer (who notched his 3,000th strikeout on September 12, 2021 during his brief stint with the Dodgers) and Justin Verlander (who reached the mark on September 28, 2019) among the active hurlers in the club. He’s the fifth pitcher to record 3,000 strikeouts with a single team, after Walter Johnson, Bob Gibson, Steve Carlton, and John Smoltz; neither Johnson (Senators) nor Gibson (Cardinals) ever pitched for another team, while Carlton (Phillies) was on his second stop and Smoltz (Braves) on his first of three:

The 3,000 Strikeout Club, with Adjusted Rates
Pitcher Seasons SO IP Date K% K%+ ERA- FIP-
Nolan Ryan 1966, ’68–93 5714 5386.0 7/4/1980 25.3% 183 90 83
Randy Johnson 1988–2009 4875 ​4135.1 9/10/2000 28.6% 176 75 73
Roger Clemens 1984–2007 4672 ​4916.2 7/5/1998 23.1% 150 70 71
Steve Carlton 1965–1988 4136 ​5217.1 4/29/1981 19.1% 135 87 87
Bert Blyleven 1970–1992 3701 4970.0 8/1/1986 18.1% 133 85 82
Tom Seaver 1967–1986 3640 ​4782.2 4/18/1981 18.8% 133 79 85
Don Sutton 1966–1988 3574 ​5282.1 6/24/1983 16.5% 117 92 91
Gaylord Perry 1962–1983 3534 ​5350.1 10/1/1978 16.1% 115 85 85
Walter Johnson 1907–1927 3508 ​5914.2 7/22/1923 15.0% 152 68 76
Justin Verlander* 2005–2025 3471 3483.1 9/28/2019 24.4% 123 78 81
Max Scherzer* 2008–2025 3419 2891.0 9/12/2021 29.3% 141 76 77
Greg Maddux 1986–2008 3371 ​5008.1 7/26/2005 16.5% 100 76 78
Phil Niekro 1964–1987 3342 ​5404.1 7/4/1984 14.7% 105 86 95
Fergie Jenkins 1965–1983 3192 ​4500.2 5/25/1982 17.4% 125 87 88
Pedro Martinez 1992–2009 3154 ​2827.1 9/3/2007 27.7% 168 66 68
Bob Gibson 1959–1975 3117 ​3884.1 7/17/1974 19.4% 130 78 81
Curt Schilling 1988–2007 3116 3261.0 8/30/2006 23.5% 139 80 76
CC Sabathia 2001-2019 3093 3577.1 4/30/2019 20.6% 114 87 87
John Smoltz 1988–99, 2001–09 3084 3473.0 4/22/2008 21.6% 130 81 78
Clayton Kershaw* 2008–2025 3000 2787.1 7/2/2025 27.3% 132 64 70
Date = date of 3,000th strikeout. K%+ = league-adjusted strikeout rate, based on strikeouts per plate appearance for all pitchers except Walter Johnson, whose rate is based on strikeouts per nine innings. * = active.

Note that Kershaw owns not only the lowest ERA- of any pitcher in the club but the lowest of any with at least 2,000 innings. Remarkably, he’s just the fourth lefty to reach 3,000 strikeouts, after Carlton, Randy Johnson, and Sabathia. I dug into that particular oddity on the occasion of Sabathia’s milestone in 2019. It’s founded in the relative scarcity of lefty pitchers, at least in terms of batters faced:

Though Kershaw entered the night on something of a roll, having gone 4-0 with a 1.57 ERA and 21 strikeouts in 23 innings over his his last four starts, nothing came easily for him on Wednesday night. Though he went to two strikes on each of the first four hitters he faced, five of the first six, and eight of the first 11, he couldn’t put any of them away. He was touched up for a first-inning run when Andy Pages misplayed an Austin Slater drive into a triple and then Andrew Benintendi roped a single to right. Kershaw needed Michael Conforto to rob Lenyn Sosa of an extra-base hit with a leaping catch near the top of the left field wall to end the first without further damage, that after throwing 29 pitches — though he did get five swinging strikes.

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Kershaw was much more efficient in a clean, 10-pitch second inning, but didn’t draw any closer to 3,000. He finally got his first strikeout in the third inning, whiffing former teammate Miguel Vargas on a 12-to-6 curve on the outside corner — his 14th two-strike pitch of the night — but only after serving up a two-run homer to Slater to fall behind 3-2. A Benintendi double and an Edgar Quero single put the White Sox up 4-2, and suddenly it looked like Kershaw might not even make it through three innings, let alone get three strikeouts. He settled down, but didn’t record his second strikeout until Sosa chased a curveball in the dirt on Kershaw’s 92nd pitch, his final one of the fifth inning:

That pitch count matched Kershaw’s season high; he hadn’t thrown more since June 20, 2023. Even so, manager Dave Roberts — who said beforehand that he would manage this game differently given the circumstances — sent him out for the sixth. He needed just three pitches to retire lefty Mike Tauchman, covering first base himself on a grounder to Freddie Freeman, but Michael A. Taylor followed that by ripping a 99.9-mph double down the left field line. Roberts remained on the top step of the dugout. On Kershaw’s next pitch, a 91-mph fastball to Capra, Taylor took off for third. Catcher Will Smith made a perfect peg, and Muncy dropped the tag on him, albeit while moving into the runner’s path; Taylor upended the third baseman in the process, and Muncy came down clutching his left knee in agony. He had to be helped from the field. Kershaw kept his distance as the Dodgers tended to Muncy, throwing a warmup pitch or two while Enrique Hernández loosened up to take over in the field.

Kershaw went back to work, throwing a curveball in the dirt, getting Capra to chase a low slider, and finally freezing him with another slider closer to the outside edge of the zone. He was characteristically reserved after the pitch, no leaps or fist-pumps, just a slow walk off the mound before tipping his cap and finally basking in the adulation of the 53,536 fans at Dodger Stadium, including his wife and growing family. After a round of hugs in the dugout, he returned for a curtain call.

In all, Kershaw went to two strikes on 16 of the 27 batters he faced, and threw 26 two-strike pitches, only two of which became swinging strikes; three became hits, including the two extra-base knocks by Slater. He did get a season-high 15 whiffs, nine on the slider, three on the curve, two on the fastball and one on the splitter that he’s begun dabbling with in recent years. He was on the hook for a loss until the bottom of the ninth, when the Dodgers finally broke through against relievers Grant Taylor and Steven Wilson. A Conforto single, and walks by Tommy Edman and Hyeseong Kim loaded the bases with nobody out, then Shohei Ohtani beat out a double-play grounder, Mookie Betts hit a sacrifice fly, Ohtani stole second, Smith walked, and Freeman smacked a sharp single to right to bring home Othani:

“I made it take too long,” said Kershaw of reaching 3,000. “Honestly, didn’t pitch that great tonight, and the slider was so bad. But this was such a special night all the way around. It really was. Couldn’t have asked for anything more, really. It was so fun to get to be out there.”

This is quite probably the last major milestone in a career that will carry Kershaw to Cooperstown. He won his 200th game on April 18, 2023, but has only increased his total to 216 since, and reaching 250 à la Sabathia and Verlander is almost certainly out of the question. Even getting to 233 wins — which would match Sutton for the most as a Dodger — seems highly unlikely. Kershaw is on the cusp of moving into the top 20 in S-JAWS, 0.1 point behind Robin Roberts, but nobody is going to stop play when that happens or to acknowledge if he gets to 80 WAR (he’s at 79.6 bWAR and 77.0 fWAR). At this point, he’s no threat to add to his totals of 10 All-Star appearances, five ERA titles, and three Cy Young Awards, particularly given that he hasn’t thrown the 162 innings necessary to qualify for the ERA lead since 2019.

Per the Elias Sports Bureau, Kershaw is the fourth-fastest pitcher to 3,000 strikeouts in terms of innings:

Fastest to 3,000 Strikeouts
Pitcher Innings
Randy Johnson 2,470.2
Max Scherzer 2,516.0
Pedro Martinez 2,647.2
Clayton Kershaw 2,787.1
Nolan Ryan 2,802.0
SOURCE: Elias Sports Bureau

For as quickly as he reached 3,000 in comparative terms, the pursuit of the milestone became a slog due to Kershaw’s injures (to say nothing of the way he’s recently tested fans’ patience). He finished the 2021 season, his age-33 campaign, needing just 330 strikeouts to reach the milestone; based on his 2019–21 performances, that looked doable across a pair of 25-start seasons. While he continued to pitch effectively, making All-Star teams in both 2022 and ’23, with ERAs of 2.28 and 2.46 (but FIPs of 2.57 and 4.03, respectively), he totaled just 46 starts and 274 strikeouts in that span, leaving him 56 strikeouts shy of the magic mark.

The real turning point came at the end of June 2023, by which point Kershaw had run his strikeout total to 2,912. He landed on the injured list with left shoulder soreness and missed six weeks, and his fastball — indeed, his stuff — hasn’t been the same since. He threw just 36.1 innings in eight post-injury starts in 2023, with his monthly average four-seam velocity losing 2.7 mph from June (91.3 mph) to September (88.6). The pitch modeling metrics paint a stark picture before and after the injury:

Clayton Kershaw via PitchingBot and Stuff+
PitchingBot IP bot Stf FA botStf SL botStf Cu botStf botCmd botOvr
2022 126.1 53 50 52 51 62 57
2023 Pre-Injury 95.0 50 45 52 47 56 53
2023 Post-Injury 36.1 45 33 49 37 44 35
2024 30.0 44 31 48 37 54 43
2025 44.2 46 32 48 36 50 40
Stuff+ IP Stf+ FA Stf+ SL Stf+ CU Stuff+ Location+ Pitching+
2022 126.1 101 119 122 112 101 113
2023 Pre-Injury 95.0 98 120 126 113 98 110
2023 Post-Injury 36.1 85 104 111 98 85 86
2024 30.0 90 106 117 101 96 100
2025 44.2 89 94 107 94 96 94
Stuff+ is on a scale where 100 is average; PitchingBot on the 20-80 scouting scale, where 50 is average.

The Dodgers were vague about the condition of Kershaw’s shoulder. “He’s going to keep going until he can’t,” said Roberts after a rough September 5, 2023 start. “I think the hope is he’s going to continue to feel better, but given where he’s at physically, it’s hard to say that’s going to happen.”

Kershaw finished the 2023 regular season with 2,944 strikeouts, then endured the most humiliating start of his career, retiring just one of the eight Diamondbacks he faced while being charged with six runs in the Division Series opener, a loss that prefigured the 100-win squad getting swept, and for a time looked as though it might have been Kershaw’s last appearance in Dodger blue. In early November, he announced that he had undergone surgery to repair the glenohumeral ligaments and capsule of his left shoulder, and hoped he would be able to return to play “at some point next summer,” but even that winter, he continued his annual flirtation with the possibility of joining the Rangers to pitch closer to home.

Kershaw returned to the fold and made his 2024 debut on June 25, but he cracked the five-inning mark in just three of seven starts, and pitched to a 4.50 ERA — over two runs higher than his career mark to that point — and 3.53 FIP. One batter into the second inning of his August 30 start against the Diamondbacks, he departed due to pain in his left big toe, and was subsequently diagnosed with a bone spur. He continued his throwing program, with the team readjusting his spikes to help compensate for his soreness, but compromised mechanics triggered pain in other parts of his body, no small matter given his shoulder surgery and his previous back problems.

Kershaw ended the regular season still 32 strikeout short of 3,000, and on October 5, the team announced that he would be shut down regardless of how far the Dodgers advanced in the playoffs, a decision that, in conjunction with other injuries (most notably Tyler Glasnow’s elbow sprain), led to the Dodgers relying upon a three-man rotation plus occasional openers during their championship run. Kershaw was a bystander. “I didn’t have anything to do with this championship, but it feels like I have the best feeling in the world — that I get to celebrate with you guys!” he said at the team’s celebratory parade while also proclaiming himself a “Dodger for life.”

Shortly after the World Series, orthopedic surgeons played a doubleheader on Kershaw’s left leg. One surgery repaired the torn meniscus in his left knee, an injury that went undiscovered until he went through testing regarding his foot, while the other dealt with the bone spur in his left foot as well as arthritis and a ruptured plantar plate, the ligament that runs beneath the metatarsal heads and keeps the toes aligned.

As with the previous winter, Kershaw and the Dodgers didn’t formalize a contract until February so as to allow the team to put the spot on the 40-man roster to better use. When he finally returned to the majors on May 17, he was lit for five runs in four innings by the Angels. Rain curtailed his next start after two shutout innings against the Mets in New York, but since then, he’s used smoke and mirrors in impressive fashion. Prior to Wednesday, he’d lasted at least five innings in five out of his last six starts, allowing two runs or fewer in each of those, with a five-run, 4.2-inning turn against the Mets on June 3 the exception. While he’s carrying a respectable 3.43 ERA, he’s struck out just 17.5% of hitters and has an 8.8% strikeout-to-walk differential; both are career lows, while his 7.7% walk rate is his highest since 2010. His 4.34 FIP and 105 FIP- are both career worsts.

Even in diminished form, the innings have been valuable to the Dodgers, coming at a time when their rotation has been hit hard by injuries. Blake Snell made just two starts, and Glasnow five, before landing on the injured list with shoulder inflammation. Both are currently on rehab assignments, but Roki Sasaki, who went down in mid-May after eight starts due to a shoulder impingement, only recently resumed his throwing program, and Tony Gonsolin, who made seven starts after returning from late-2023 Tommy John surgery and a spring back injury, is now on the 60-day IL due to elbow soreness. Ohtani has finally begun pitching in games following his late-2023 UCL reconstruction, but he has totaled just four innings over three opener-style starts.

Four years ago, as Scherzer approached 3,000 strikeouts, I had Dan Szymborski run a ZiPS projection showing the odds of other active pitchers reaching the milestone. Scherzer (98%) and Kershaw (91%) made good, but Zack Greinke (88%) pulled up 21 strikeouts short, never announcing his retirement but simply not signing another contract after 2023. At the time, Gerrit Cole (66%) and Jacob deGrom (51%) appeared more likely than not to reach 3,000, but both have undergone Tommy John surgery since, and the latter has fallen below 10%. Here’s the updated board:

ZiPS Odds of Reaching 3,000 Strikeouts
Pitcher Age K 3,000 Odds %
Chris Sale 36 2528 58%
Gerrit Cole 34 2251 42%
Dylan Cease 29 1137 41%
Tarik Skubal 28 786 39%
Paul Skenes 23 285 34%
Aaron Nola 32 1831 31%
Kevin Gausman 34 1858 30%
Blake Snell 32 1372 27%
Hunter Greene 25 558 24%
Logan Webb 28 897 23%
Zack Wheeler 35 1761 22%
Spencer Strider 26 552 21%
Sonny Gray 35 1831 21%
Garrett Crochet 26 438 18%
Corbin Burnes 30 1114 15%
Pablo López 29 982 14%
Logan Gilbert 28 785 14%
Roki Sasaki 23 24 10%

Sale has pitched his way out of the wilderness to boost his odds from 49% circa 2021, though he’s currently sidelined by broken ribs. Forty-one-year-old Charlie Morton and 38-year-old Yu Darvish are the only other pitchers besides Kershaw, Sale, and Cole who even have 2,000 strikeouts, but they’re not going to get to 3,000. For everybody else, it’s mainly about crossing fingers and hoping they remain healthy and effective — a prayer for the wing, so to speak — for many, many more years.

All of which is to say that it could be a long while before we see another pitcher do what Kershaw just did. We already knew that, but even in his diminished form, his accomplishment on Wednesday night is one to savor.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago

The most exciting thing that Vinny Capra will ever do on a baseball field.

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeS

And the poor guy dfa’d for his trouble.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago

Did you really need to throw in off-the-field social issue stuff here? This site is so unbelievably asinine sometimes

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Well, one of the things Jay referred to was because of what he was wearing in the dug out, which I’d say counts as on field…

It was one line in a quite long article. If you’re so easily triggered, you must struggle reading pretty much anything.

thegreathambinoMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

I’ve read Jay for several years now and generally think it’s permissible – even appropriate – to reference off-the-field issues in order to paint a full portrait for the story you’re trying to tell. This is particularly true with respect to Jay’s HOF pieces. But admittedly, this time I’m struggling to think how Kershaw’s comments about the SOPI and the Bible verse on his cap have anything to do with his accomplishment last night. Jay seems to be trying to tie it into how much of a “slog” it was reaching 3k after his 2023 injuries, but frankly, it smacks of pandering to FGs left-leaning audience (in which I include myself).

And “in the dugout” is decidedly “off the field.” “On the field” in this context refers to performance of the sport itself.

David Klein
1 year ago

Well said.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago

I’m not sure it is pandering, so much as Jay’s own personal feelings – he’s a Dodger fan, and Kershaw’s publically expressed views may have made him harder for Jay to root for – and for quite a few other Dodger fans too. It was also something that happened a few weeks ago – while Kershaw was chasing his 3000th strikeout, so it was fairly timely. I think if the cap thing hadn’t happened, I’m not sure Jay would have brought up the thing that happened two years ago.

As I said above, it was throw away comment, in brackets, that was fairly easy to ignore. Which is why I reacted quite sarcastically to the first comment – because if 100% of your comment is you complaining about the less than 1% of the article which wasn’t about the 3000th K… then you’re just exacerbating the problem you’re complaining about. Had FrodoBeck had a couple of paragraphs talking about Kershaw’s greatness, bemoaning Hanley Ramirez’s poor fielding to rob him of a perfect game – while acknowledging Miguel Rojas’ great play at third base – and then at the end said: (and were the references to the SOPI and the cap really necessary)… I could at least appreciate the effort to add to the baseball discussion.

While I pedantically get that being in the dug out is literally off the field… he was still in uniform, he was on the active roster, he could theoretically have pinch hit, pinch run or been used as a reliever (and all of those things had a 0% of happening – but a higher 0% chance than you or I of being on the field for the Dodgers that game). Would he have written the verse on the cap had he been pitching that day? I don’t know, but I do find the distinction between being in the dugout and in the game immaterial when you deliberately alter your team’s gear (you may differ in your opinion).

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

I believe Jay’s a Yankee fan

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

I really had it in my head he’s a Dodger fan – I did then google it, and he said in a baseball prospectus chat that he’s a (Brooklyn) Dodger fan due to family history and a Yankee fan due to geography.

thegreathambinoMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

I understand. I’d put it this way – if I were Jay’s editor, I would have cut out the reference. Not because I think it’s unimportant or even because I disagree with Jay’s take, but because I think it’s unnecessary fat in this story.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

Oh well then allow me to wax poetic about how Clayton Kershaw is my favorite player of all time, and I’ve watched him pitch for my favorite team for about half of my life and his entire career, and that it was incredibly emotional for me to watch him jog onto the field in 2020 after winning the WS and finally get that monkey off his back. Watching him turn from a huge prospect into the undisputed best pitcher in the world for several years was a great thing to witness both personally and just as a baseball fan. And all the while he’s been one of the most humble, likeable, and charitable players in the league with his career earnings and his time, respected by his teammates and opponents, and loved by his organization and fans.

Which is why i find it absurd that Jay decided “oh well let me get a little dig in here for no particular reason while writing about one of the greatest individual career achievements a person can have in this sport I love”. I didn’t realize it was a requirement to append any criticisms of weird editorial choices to long comments, it’s possible to get a point across of directly.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

See the other comment that does a wonderful job summarizing why it just seemed shoehorned in and was otherwise entirely irrelevant. If anything, the author who had to find a way to get something he dislikes about a player into an article about an achievement that only 20 men in the history of the world have done seems like the easily triggered person in this situation. That parenthetical *had* to be in there?

And to be extra pedantic, I don’t think most people consider the dugout to be on the field *ducks*

Last edited 1 year ago by FrodoBeck
fredsbankMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

I’m so sorry this happened to you. It must have made your life very difficult.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago
Reply to  fredsbank

Why don’t we mention player’s religious or political beliefs in every single article? Is there ever a line where it should be drawn? My thinking is it could either be a) never or b) always. Do you disagree?

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

I think it is more nuanced then “if you ever mention religion, you have to do it every single time, otherwise you can’t ever talk about religion.”

Had Kershaw just posted on his personal social media a rainbow and a bible quote, then I agree, it would be petty and inappropriate to talk about it in the article. But he didn’t. He altered his uniform, while representing the team – he wanted to say a public message and I think that is fair game to be referenced – especially when it happened very recently.

For example, if Chris Sale gets to 3000K, and sheds a few tears after striking out the batter, then if in the article there is a “a Sale was visibly cut up after reaching the milestone, just like his jersey in 2016”, that’s fine. The article mentioning his private Etsy page selling home made cut off jeans? A bit weird.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

A counterpoint: if the league had just not decided to do pride day hats, Kershaw would not have decided too put a Bible verse on his hat, and none of this happens in the first place. The evidence of this is that Kershaw does not routinely put Bible verses on his hat when they are not pride day hats.

The more important counterpoint: this hat nonsense has literally nothing to do with Kershaw getting to 3000 Ks and is emblematic of the incessant need of progressive people to inject their political opinions into every single nook and cranny of everything. If you think it’s appropriate to comment on these things in any individual instance, in order to be consistent and principled, you should not object to any mention of these types of things in any other instance. So yeah, now I want to know what Randy Johnson and CC Sabathia and Bob Gibson think about every political or religious topic, if Fangraphs is going to venture out into those depths. Which, obviously, it shouldn’t.

I’m sorry the Orange guy has continued to torment you all for years.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

I do think your first counterpoint has some merit, and I do sometimes wonder about the place of specific days, etc in baseball or wider life. I don’t think I’m the right person to make an argument for or against the wearing of pride caps (and if they should be mandatory, etc). If I were a MLB player, I would have no problem wearing an Pride cap. However, I would really not want to wear the camo hats/uniforms for a large number of reasons.

I don’t think your second counterpoint has any merit though. Because we’re only talking about this because Kershaw used his platform as a Dodger player. There is a big difference between reporting and referencing what a player has actively and publicly chosen to present while working for the team and what they do when not actively working for the team. Fangraphs didn’t have to venture into these depths, because Kershaw told us.

CamH
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

It was an awesome article and well written, but I do agree with you. I’m neutral on what someone does or doesn’t wear on their hat, but it did seem like a reference that just got shoehorned in there.

He just reached 3000 k’s, why bother talking about what was on his hat?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Sometimes I really wonder what the Internet comment sections would’ve looked like in 1947. “What does it matter if he shakes Robinson’s hand or not? Can’t you just stick to sports???” Sorry, man, but sometimes it matters to a few of us if the guys on the field are avowed, public bigots.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago

I guess I just wonder why I didn’t hear about the political and religious beliefs of the other 19 guys who’ve had 3000 career strikeouts that were mentioned in this article? It kinda matters to me that the guys who were on that field at one point or another may have been avowed, public bigots.

Tbh fangraphs should probably do a league-wide survey of all players (retroactively too) to get their political and religious views and include it on player pages next to their contract info. It would be v disturbing if they didn’t do this, what if I accidentally went to a player page for someone who I may personally disagree with things about?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

So glad to have had this obviously sincere and frank exchange of opinions with someone who definitely understands what bigotry is!

FrodoBeck
1 year ago

Frankly it feels a little bigoted to me that you don’t even want to know how many and which players actually are bigoted. This is kind of a microaggression :/

@3_2count
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

The line is about how the trek to 3,000 became a slog, and the fact that Kershaw found himself in some controversy twice over anti-LGBTQ beliefs is part of that slog. The commenters on this site can be so unbelievably obtuse sometimes.

socialist
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

He has a bluesky handle. Lol

olethrosMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Kershaw is the one who threw in “off the field social issue stuff,” not Jay. Funny how you aren’t bitching about Kershaw doing it though.

As always, the “keep politics out of sports/music/film/etc.” crowd really means “keep politics I don’t like” out of those things.

FrodoBeck
1 year ago
Reply to  olethros

Didn’t realize Kershaw was the one who made the pride flag hat decision, weird.

ScottyBMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Had Jay written an entire paragraph about Kershaw’s (wrongheaded) attitudes towards gay people, I’d agree with you.

However, Jay alluded to “testing fans’ patience” in a single parenthetical. The words “test” and “patience” linked to outside stories. This seems appropriate. Your response to it, is well, your own, but a bit snowflaky from my point of view.

hazelrah
1 year ago
Reply to  ScottyB

What are his wrongheaded attitudes? He said the first issue was about belittling Christians, not LGBT.
Then he says what the rainbow means to him, while still wearing the LGBT symbol.

Seems like he’s making an effort to be accepting and is taking a different approach from many athletes who have verbally protested rainbow nights or refused to wear the uniform.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

The only question about his Hall of Fame candidacy is whether he is unanimous. He’s basically the Mike Trout of pitching.

Last edited 1 year ago by sadtrombone
PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago

Wow, I would not have given Dylan Cease a 42% chance of getting 3000K. That seems… quite high.

steex
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

I am actually more surprised by Webb at 28%. He is already the model of endurance among current pitchers and has yet to reach 200 Ks in a season – reaching 3,000 for him would basically require him to maintain that same health forever and become a different kind of pitcher.

Last edited 1 year ago by steex
KeithMember since 2024
1 year ago

I would love to see him retire with less than 100 losses. It’s not a sought after stat but I think it looks cool on the player’s page to see a guy with more than 200 wins and only 90 or so losses.
Yeah, I was not happy when Pedro lost his 100th game.
Kershaw and Pedro are quite similar in their general awesomeness and the 100 loss thing was something I was hoping Pedro would not eclipse.
Anyway, it’s a silly little thing, but I’m an older guy so will continue to shout at this passing cloud for another 6 losses…..

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  Keith

Pedro played many years for mediocre Expos teams.

socialist
1 year ago

Bluesky? Hahahaha

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago

Kershaw feels older than 37!

snakestl
1 year ago

Whatever you do, never show Kersh videos of Matt Adams hitting any home runs off of him and, god forbid, do not let him know that there are LGBTQ+ people out there trying to live their lives.

He is a great pitcher, and also a thin-skinned bigot. Both can, and are, true.

sterling62Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  snakestl

Kershaw is the best Dodger of all time and a top 5/10 pitcher in MLB history. He has also created a legacy of charitable efforts. He founded Kershaw’s challenge and puts on ping pong for a purpose every year to raise funds for charitable works. Kershaw’s Challenge has supported the young and poor in Africa for over a decade. Clayton and his wife Ellen have personally made multiple trips to Africa to bring water, food and hope to the impoverished. Kershaw’s Challenge has also helped the needy in Los Angeles and Texas communities where he lives. Clayton and his wife are devout Christians and have demonstrated their faith through their charitable works continuously. I fully support Kershaw’s right to cite a Bible verse on his hat. Especially a Bible verse that explains God’s creation and His meaning of a rainbow. It was meant to express God’s love and covenant in a positive way.

It is unfortunate that Jay Jaffe chose to critique Kershaw’s Bible quote when writing about joining the 3,000 strikeout club. But even worse were the angry and misguided comments from Meg Rowley and Ben Lindbergh on multiple Effectively Wild podcasts. They demean Kershaw for simply professing his faith, while professing to support tolerance. Fangraphs and Effectively Wild have introduced more partisan and political viewpoints when most fans are just trying to enjoy baseball.

hazelrah
1 year ago
Reply to  sterling62

I still think Fangraphs overall is very good. But it does seem like they’re not considering that this could be an honest attempt at being accepting while believing in the Bible

hazelrah
1 year ago
Reply to  snakestl

“thin skinned” because of SOPI? Would take relatively thick skin to not be provoked by that, given faith.
“Bigot” because he referenced what the rainbow symbolizes for him, or is there more I don’t know about? The verse doesn’t even reference LGBTs.