Braves Stun Dodgers, Take 2-0 Lead

Did you know that the Dodgers are carrying nine relievers for their NLCS matchup against the Braves? It’s true — Phil Bickford, Justin Bruihl, Brusdar Graterol, Kenley Jansen, Joe Kelly, Corey Knebel, Evan Phillips, Blake Treinen, and Alex Vesia all made the roster. That’s enough relievers that it’s hard to imagine how to move them all — the team made a concerted effort to add pitching options after their draining series with the San Francisco Giants.

With Vesia, Kelly, and Treinen already used tonight, Dave Roberts looked at that roster and chose none of the above. He called in Julio Urías, who threw 59 pitches on Thursday night, to come in on two days rest for his throw day and take the eighth inning. In a 4-2 ballgame, the Dodgers needed six outs of status quo to go home with the series tied, and Roberts preferred Urías, throw day and all, with a cluster of lefties coming up for Atlanta.

From one point of view, Urías was just fine. He threw 14 pitches — 10 curves and four fastballs. He had his usual velocity — both pitches were within 0.2 mph of their season-long velocity averages. He coaxed four whiffs in only 14 pitches. Great move, Roberts.

In all the senses that mattered tonight, though, Urías was the exact wrong pitcher to bring in. He gave up a single to Eddie Rosario, a flared single to Ozzie Albies, and then an absolutely crushed double to Austin Riley in the first six pitches he threw. Atlanta came in swinging, Urías scuffled slightly with location, and thanks to some very aggressive baserunning, the game was tied. Urías recovered to strike out the next two batters on four pitches each, but the damage was done.

That brief hiccup undid a game’s worth of grinding offense by the Los Angeles lineup. For eight innings, they had doggedly attacked Braves pitching. Throw a ball? The Dodgers took it. They drew nine walks — three intentional, oof — and Justin Turner was hit by a pitch. That’s how you chew through an opposing pitching staff, and Atlanta had already used seven pitchers. The levy broke in the seventh, with the intentional walks coming home to roost — Will Smith, given a free pass with Mookie Betts on second and two outs, scored on a bloop double that gave the Dodgers a 4-2 lead.

That’s usually how Dodgers games have gone this year. Grind down the opposition, score some runs, and let a stifling pitching staff and defense do the rest. They allowed 3.46 runs per game this year, the best in the majors by a ton. Their offense scored more than any other NL offense. The Dodgers cudgel you with their hitters, and then they don’t let you back in it. That’s just how it works.

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After Urías’s fateful six pitches, the game wasn’t like that. Instead, it came down to one inning for all the marbles — with more available, of course, if things weren’t settled. The Dodgers did what they usually do — work counts and hit balls hard. Trea Turner hit the first pitch he saw to the warning track, 105 mph off the bat. Smith and Austin Barnes both took a lot of pitches, and both struck out swinging. In a lot of innings, that’s what the best offense in the National League looks like — one inning is just not that much.

The Braves made the most of their opening. They put together a rally exactly the way you’d draw it up — if you had never seen a baseball game before. Graterol broke Travis d’Arnaud’s bat with a 101 mph sinker — bloop single to center. Dansby Swanson bunted into a force out at second — an absolutely terrible bunt that Graterol nearly chucked into center field. Guillermo Heredia swung at every pitch he saw, never once making good contact — but he managed a dribbler that advanced a runner to second with two outs.

That brought in Jansen, though Graterol had been impressive — he threw nine pitches and got these results: two balls, two broken bats, a poor bunt, and nothing hit harder than 80 mph. But the game was on the line — a ball that landed in the outfield grass would end things. Roberts brought his best reliever into the game to maximize his chances of sending the game to extra innings.

Rosario had other ideas. He’d been on fire all game — three singles and a frankly wild trip around the basepaths that ended with a bang-bang play to make the game 4-3. He was up there to swing, and that’s what he did on the first pitch he saw from Jansen, a belt-high cutter. He hit a laser directly at Corey Seager — and, as it turned out, directly through Seager. The ball hit the aforementioned outfield grass, Swanson scored, and just like that, the Braves had a 2-0 lead in a best-of-seven series against the odds-on World Series favorite.

Starting things in the eighth inning focuses the action on the plays that determined the game, but it glosses over an otherwise engrossing contest. The 2021 playoffs have been heavy on quick pitching hooks, and neither starter made it through five innings tonight. Ian Anderson was the first to depart — down 2-0 in the bottom of the third, Brian Snitker opted to pinch hit when Anderson’s spot came up with one out and none on. It wasn’t a wildly quick hook — Anderson had walked more batters than he’d struck out and given up a home run — but it did mean the whole bullpen would be pitching tonight.

While that bullpen held the line, Max Scherzer faltered. He was mostly magnificent tonight — seven strikeouts against only one walk, only four hits, and 14 whiffs in 79 pitches, a solid mark. He made a mistake to Joc Pederson, though, and Pederson has made a name for himself by punishing mistakes in October. A middle-middle 77 mph curveball? That’s asking for a home run trot, and Pederson hit it 454 feet. To make matters worse, Scherzer’s one walk — to Riley, who took some tough pitches to get on — had immediately preceded the home run. That erased the Dodgers’ early lead, and set up the late heroics on both sides.

Scherzer got good results tonight, but he was pitching on borrowed time. He closed Thursday night’s series-clinching win in San Francisco, and didn’t have his usual stuff. Every pitch he threw was down from its seasonal velocity average — his fastball took the worst hit, at 0.7 mph. His location wasn’t sharp — his four-seamer leaked low in the zone more often than usual and his slider was scattershot. When the top of Atlanta’s lineup came up for a third time, Roberts went to the bullpen, and Scherzer said in his post-game press availability that he was fully onboard with the decision, for perhaps the first time in his career.

The Dodgers’ regular relievers put in yeoman’s work tonight. Vesia was excellent. Kelly threw a clean inning. Treinen pitched in with a scoreless frame of his own. Atlanta’s relievers mostly matched them. Jesse Chavez, A.J. Minter, and Jacob Webb all held Los Angeles scoreless in the middle innings. This game was a reminder that random pitchers you’ve maybe heard of once or twice are good, even against two of the best offenses in baseball. Those overlooked parts of these two star-studded rosters held things close long enough for the dramatic ending this game so richly deserved.

It might seem like I’m not giving the Braves enough credit in this game. They won it, after all, and here I am framing it as a referendum on using Urías. Well… I do kind of think that. The Dodgers won plenty of games just like this all year without relying on crazy gimmicks like starters on throw days. They won games without quick hooks on a cruising pitcher. They won 106 games in the regular season, after all, and they weren’t managing every single game like there was no tomorrow. Roberts got too cute tonight, and I think it hurt them, though of course Atlanta had to take advantage of the opportunity that Roberts’ managing gave them.

For his part, Snitker also managed like there was no tomorrow, but weirdly so. The Braves made a ton of questionable decisions that were all washed away. Those three intentional walks were mostly a mess. Walk Will Smith to face Gavin Lux? Maybe! Walk Smith again to face Justin Turner? I’m less into it. Walk Cody Bellinger to load the bases with Luke Jackson, he of the career 10% walk rate (11.1% in 2021!) on the mound? Thanks, I hate it.

Rosario’s aggressive baserunning was even weirder. With the Braves down 4-2 in the eighth, he tagged at first base on a fly ball to left field and was nearly thrown out at second. He then went home on an Albies single and was safe by fractions of a second. It didn’t matter at all — Riley smashed a subsequent pitch off the center field wall to tie the game, and Rosario would have scored anyway. But putting the pedal to the metal on baserunning decisions while down two runs is not exactly clean baseball. Swanson also bunted — probably a call from the dugout. Less of that, please!

This series will start up again on Tuesday night, with the Dodgers in a big hole. They’ll have to overcome a two-game deficit despite playing the Braves roughly to a standstill over two nights in Atlanta. But it feels, to me at least, like this series is still a referendum on the Dodgers. That’s not how baseball works. Both teams have a huge amount of agency in any given game, and Atlanta’s successes have been every bit as important as Los Angeles’s failures. But woof! What a messy, and thrilling, Game Two — one that pushes the Braves ever closer to a World Series berth that has eluded them for more than two decades.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

Well the Braves are the best team left worthy of my rooting so good for them.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I would replace “best team” with “only team”…

EasyenoughMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Funny to listen to the Barves radio broadcast with Jim Powell’s hot sauce sponsor’s slam of the Nats. Trying and failing to find a quote, but something like, Nats fans don’t get why this hot sauce is so good.

Anyone able to quote it?

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
4 years ago
Reply to  Easyenough

It is interesting to listen to the radio show “Barves” with songs by Jim Powell as a sponsor of “Hot Sauce” dedicated to Nazi Germany. I tried and I couldn’t find a quote, but Nat fans can’t understand why this water heater is so good.

Can anyone quote that?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Braves – Red Sox would be one of the most bizarre world series you could imagine. In one corner, you’ve got the team that was dismissed before the season even started, with thin pitching and bad defense, no apparent desire to win now, and who limped to the end of the season. In the other corner, you’ve got the team that lost a top-3 player in baseball for the rest of the season, loaded up on a bunch of questionable corner outfielders, and then all of the outfielders they acquired went from iffy part-timers to borderline all-stars. “World Series 2021: It’s better to be lucky than good!”

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Not to mention Boston couldn’t support 2 teams in the middle of the 20th Century. Neither was very popular then.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The Third Base Saloon grudge match: We’re going to cheer like it’s 1911!!

proiste
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Hate the Red Sox if you wish (I totally get it), but this world series would be easily the most entertaining combination left, and would likely be one of the most ridiculous ones in decent memory. The Sox and Braves both have the perfect combination of great offense, bad defense, and highly suspect bullpens to make every game a grueling back and forth thriller. No lead would ever be safe

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  proiste

I used to really like the Red Sox, but would like them to sit in time out for a few years for Mookie-related transgressions and general Alex Cora ickiness. So I have a complicated relationship with them; I like them but I don’t like them.

I’d still rather they make it over the Astros, though. And a Braves – Red Sox series would be interesting.

Southi
4 years ago
Reply to  proiste

It could be argued that the Braves defense is good, especially their infield defense. As far as the bullpen goes, I definitely can’t speak for the Red Sox, but the Atlanta bullpen has pitched significantly better in the 2nd half compared to the 1st half. If you are looking at full season numbers you might not get a clear picture.

In any event, neither series is over and it could be that neither Atlanta or Boston gets into the World Series.

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Braves are definitely the team to root for if you like aggressive trade deadline acquisitions and would like to encourage more of them. Sure, the Dodgers got Scherzer and Turner, but they were always expected to make the playoffs and buying made sense. Most Braves fans thought this year was over when those deals were made.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The rebuild Braves have like a .600 win percentage. In the off season, I wanted Joc/Soler/Duvall to fill in around Acuna over iron glove and spaghetti arm Ozuna.

This Braves team isn’t as bad as their year record shows. That said, they aren’t the Dodgers.

Cam78
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think AA’s thought process was since they were so cheap to acquire, just grab a bunch and hope one of them sticks. All of them ended up raking at the same time.

MorboTheAnnihilator
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

When the braves get rid of their racist chop gesture, maybe. But they still have a ton of other issues like their thinly veiled dog whistle reasons for moving their stadium from Atlanta to the northern suburbs.

Squid_MantleMember since 2020
4 years ago

I’d rather the Braves have kept the stadium in Summerhill and built around it (partly because I live in that area, and partly because it’s better-served by public transit), but I can’t imagine that a large corporation makes any decision for any reason other than its potential to make the organization more money. Also, Cumberland (where the new stadium is located in Cobb County) is more diverse than most people give it credit for being – it’s 50% white, at most, and it has a significant Latino community. Demographically, Metro Atlanta’s most diverse neighborhoods are outside of the Atlanta city limits, in the suburbs in Cobb, Clayton, DeKalb, and Gwinnett Counties, and the northern part of Fulton County beyond the city limits – the notion of the (inner) suburbs, like Cumberland, being predominantly white doesn’t hold true for Metro Atlanta.

I’m with you on the chop and the chant, though – bring on the Atlanta Hammers.

(Here’s some data on Cumberland’s demographics, by the way: http://documents.atlantaregional.com/profiles/Superdistrict/Cobb_County_Cumberland_NN.pdf. If anything, Cumberland is more diverse now than it was in 2015, the last year that data was included here.)

Southi
4 years ago
Reply to  Squid_Mantle

If someone can’t see that the stadium move was motivated by money then they are the ones that are wearing blinders.

Sadly too many people are more interested in talking points instead of actually examing cold hard facts. It really doesn’t take much time and effort to find the truth I’d you are willing to search for it

TKDCMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Southi

If you can find a local government willing to give you almost half a billion dollars no questions asked, who among us can honestly say they’d turn it down?

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
4 years ago

The new stadium is 100x more accessible, to be fair

Mark Hogan
4 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Only for people who are you and live near you.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
4 years ago

Buddy and I talked about the chop last night. Racist as hell. But I suspect it sticks around because fans at the park would revolt.

Squid_MantleMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

The team has actually stopped instigating the chop via the P.A. system, and sometimes it seems like they try to actively discourage it by playing the Seven Nation Army chant instead, but there’s just no closing that pandora’s box – the fans start the chant on their own.

CC AFCMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Squid_Mantle

I’d love to see MLB come up with European football style penalties, e.g. the team has to play games with an empty stadium or is docked a win in the standings. Would think that would end things quick. I recognize the actual odds of this happening are nill.

Squid_MantleMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Yeah, I wish that we, as a fan base, could keep that chant energy but redirect it toward a less objectionable chant. I love that we have a chant – how many baseball fanbases spontaneously break out into an extended, distinct, team-specific chant throughout the game? – but I just wish it didn’t have the ugly association that ours does.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Squid_Mantle

Would it still be racist if they replaced it with words but kept the melody (or whatever you call it). Something like “Leeeeeets go Braaaaaaaaves leeeeeeets go Braves”

Mark Hogan
4 years ago
Reply to  Squid_Mantle

You can clearly still hear the rhythmic whistle that is the signal and timing mechanism they use to time the chant.

Squid_MantleMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark Hogan

That’s true – I’d forgotten about that. Now that I think of it, they also play the drum beat for the chant while showing a chopping tomahawk on the video display that rings the second deck. So, I completely retract my initial inaccurate recollection that the team no longer encourages the chant via the P.A. system, haha.

howieloader
4 years ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

That’s funny, I talked to my wife last night, she’s a member of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa Indians, and she said she loves the chop and chant… I asked my father-in-law what his thoughts on it are… You know, a 60yr old Native American that has resevration land in North Dakota… He said he thinks it’s pretty cool and he’s not sure why anyone would be upset about it… Do you and your buddy who find it “racist as hell” identify with a Native American tribe so that your anecdote can hold as much weight as my anecdote???

diamonddores
4 years ago

amen. Can’t pull for ATL so long as we see 40,000 white Cobb County residents doing the chant and chop. Disgusting. Down vote away, Atlanta Baseball Team fans.

Southi
4 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

People tend to look through the lenses they choose to put on, and they see the things they focus on the most.
There is good and bad in everyone, none of us a perfect. We want to live in a perfect world, and we should surely strive towards that, but no one benefits from being berated and degraded continually. (And that truth cuts BOTH ways). It is amazing what progress can be made when both sides show a willingness to move towards each other.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  Southi

And there is always a way to move toward each other. (Except for complete antisocial psychopaths)

johnforthegiants
4 years ago

Anyone have any idea what Jacoby Ellsbury thinks of the chop? I did a google search but I can’t find anything.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I’ll root for them as soon as they ditch the chop. And apologize.

Mark Hogan
4 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Funny thing is they know it’s bad they stopped playing it when a Native American pitcher complained about it. Ryan Hesley from the cards back in 2019.

dcracker
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark Hogan

Ryan Hesley was so offended by the chop that he forgot about his neighbors the Kansas City Chiefs who do the same thing.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

They could do more to deter it, sure. But at the same time, it’s tough to stop a crowd from spontaneously reflexing to a cheer/chant that they have been doing for 20, 30, 40 years when most of the ones (obviously) doing it don’t see anything wrong with it.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago

Scherzer said after the game ‘My arm’s dead’. I remember thinking in game 3 of the NLDS as Scherzer climbed to his final total of 110 pitches that this seemed reckless. That was the most he’d thrown all season. The Dodgers have plenty of good relievers and they were behind after the 5th. Bringing him in for the last inning in game 5 similarly suggested that Roberts simply assumed that Scherzer has superhuman powers of endurance–apparently not only did Roberts ask Scherzer to pitch more than he’d pitched in any game this year on Monday, he assumed at the time that he would be ready to go again on only 2 days’ rest on Thursday. I initially assumed that Scherzer wouldn’t start until game 3 of the NLCS, that the Dodgers would start Buehler on 4 days rest in game 2 so that Scherzer would be available for games 3 and 7 (even if he started game 2, he wasn’t going to start more than one other game in the series, so why not make his first start game 3 rather than game 2?). But yet again Roberts apparently assumed that Scherzer doesn’t really need rest.

Another questionable move was pitching to Rosario in the 9th instead of walking him (his run didn’t matter anyway) and taking their chances with Freeman. Yes Rosario is righty and Freeman is lefty but Rosario had already gone 3 for 4 in the game while Freeman had 7 K’s and one weak fly ball in his last 8 PAs and looked completely lost at the plate. At the very least Jansen could have pitched around Rosario. Or if they really cared about Freeman hitting lefty they could have left Graterol in to pitch very carefully to Rosario and then brought in Bruihl to pitch to Freeman.

Also, pinch-hitting with the reserve catcher and last pinch-hitter with two out and no one on in the top of the 9th seemed–gratuitous, let’s say, although as things developed it didn’t matter.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
4 years ago

Rosario is a lefty. Plus, no matter how hot he was that night, you do not walk him to get to Freddie Freeman, the guy who was the first lefty since ‘Nam to go deep off of Hader.

Go Braves!

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Oops! Well, even more so then, no lefty-righty issue. As Ben put it Rosario ‘had been on fire all game’, while Freeman had looked really really bad for 8 ABs in a row. Didn’t look like a good decision to me and it sure didn’t work out well.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
4 years ago

Moot point if Seager keeps that ball in front of him

hughduffy
4 years ago

Jansen career vs. L: .198 BA / .260 OBP / .316 SLG / . 254 wOBA
Graterol career vs. L: .295 BA / .394 OBP / .523 SLG / .376 wOBA
Bruihl career vs. L: .150 BA / .209 OBP / .150 SLG / .172 wOBA in 43 TBF.

No way Roberts leaves Graterol to pitch to Rosario or Freeman. You can argue that Bruihl was a better option, but he’s had a grand total of 18.2 IP at the major league level, and has a higher walk rate and lower strikeout rate. There’s two outs, but with the three batter minimum, if somehow Rosario and Freeman don’t make an out, you turn Albies around to the right side, his much better hitting side, with the bases loaded.

If you put Rosario on base and pitch to Freeman, if he hurts you, you won’t hear the end of it for pitching to Freddie Freeman. Using Jansen and pitching to Rosario was the best of some bad options.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

The concern shouldn’t be to avoid a situation where you won’t hear the end of it. The concern should be to win.

hughduffy
4 years ago

Fair enough. But if the concern is to win, you still pitch to Rosario.
Freddie Freeman is 3 for 7 with a walk against Jansen in his career.
Eddie Rosario was 0 for 1 against Jansen.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

Did you actually look at the game and the one before? Go back and take a look at completely lost freeman looked at the plate. 7 ks and a weak fly in his last 8 plate appearances. He was totally off. Then look at how rosario was hitting that game. He ‘had been on fire all game’, as ben put it. He was locked it. The only way you pitch normally to rosario in that situation is if you aren’t paying attention to thr game. That’s why the dodgers lost.

Mark Hogan
4 years ago

Choosing to pitch to Freeman and not Rosario based on 8 and 4 abs is in a word…moronic.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark Hogan

And yours is exactly the thinking that lost the dodgers the game.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

To be fair, Scherzer thought he had super human powers of endurance in his career until that inning! So did many of his fans!

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

He threw 110 pitches on monday. 110!! Just use common sense.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago

Braves keep making high variance, low EV choices on the base paths (in some cases indefensibly low EV) in high leverage situations and it keeps paying off. It’s pretty bold.

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Yeah. There’s a probabilistic argument for being very aggressive in a tie game or one run game if you think the other team is superior (it’s better to make one large bet than many small bets when the odds are against you if you’re going to bet until you either hit a target or go bust), but as noted, with a two run deficit in the eighth it seems amazingly risky.

That’s (NL) playoff baseball for you; there was sure to be a ton of criticism of over managing whichever team lost, especially given the decisions here.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

It’d be interesting to know if they have some information about the distribution of outcomes- like historically if baserunning outcomes are like an extreme value distribution with a heavy skew and kurtosis, and not normal. Because then that would make this a lot more sensible.
They’ve done a bunch of weird stuff in the second half of the season that suggests a nonstandard set of beliefs about outcomes- look at the shift data, for instance. I’ve not really gotten into it, but it’s be interesting if they have people with real IO experience behind the scenes working on this.

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I can’t recall where, but I’ve read research in multiple places that 3rd base coaches should be more aggressive in sending runners home. The two runners Wash sent, Rosario and Albies, have statcast sprint speeds of 27.2 ft/sec and 28.4 ft/sec, both above average. They’re fast, so on a ball in the outfield, force the other team to make the play.

mgwalker
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

Indeed the primary factor was that the Dodger outfielders made piss-poor throws on both of Rosario’s gambles. The throw to 2b was ten feet off line, and the throw home was a 2-hopper, from a charging MLB rightfielder 20 feet outside the infield dirt.

RobinMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  mgwalker

Wash disrespects bad outfield arms every time. This was no different.

MichaelProcton
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

The other option being the VERY Braves-y idea that “being aggressive puts pressure on the other guys and lets you unleash the maximum performance out of your own.”

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Rosario trying to advance to 2nd had only a 1.69% win expectancy increase if he was safe as opposed to a 7.47% decrease if he was out (15.76% vs. 17.45% and 8.29%), and trying to score on the single had a 1.78% increase vs. a 17.70% decrease (28.50% vs. 30.28% and 10.80%). I suppose it could be argued that real cost/benefit would have to include rattling the other team and gaining momentum so that any chance significantly more than 50% would be more worthwhile than a purely probabilistic analysis would suggest.

RobinMember since 2016
4 years ago

Wash likes to disrespect bad outfield arms playing deep and so they encourage the aggressive base running. It can get additional bases if the OF rushes and makes an especially bad throw. Given the Braves power – you would think station-to-station and wait for the three-run homer would be the plan. On the other hand, punishing teams for playing deep by routinely and aggressively running on outfielders is exploiting the leverage.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I don’t know that taking 2nd on a fly ball or trying to score on a single, both down 2 has much upside variance.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I also don’t think they’re communicating probabilities to base runners and Ron Washington. Each situation is unique. Not all “advance on flyballs” are the same.

ATL is not the better team, so they’re going to need big bets to pay off to win.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago

The idea of explaining a DMDA to Ron Washington amuses me (I had to Google what the new hotness was in EV distributions was)

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

As I wrote, the first one is 1.69%, the second is 1.78%. That isn’t much.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago

In terms of independent, normally distributed outcomes sure. Maybe the Braves don’t think of it that way.

bravesfan
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I have to assume that the reason Ozzie didn’t advance to second on the Rosario play at the plate was that nobody on that side of the diamond figured he’d score, otherwise that was an uncharacteristically conservative move. But by in large, I agree with you.

MichaelProcton
4 years ago
Reply to  bravesfan

May have also worried the Dodgers would concede the (non-winning/-tying) run and cut off the throw.

benderMember since 2020
4 years ago

Overall, the Braves are fortunate to be up 2-0. It should probably be a 1-1 series, but that’s baseball. The Braves were unlucky during the regular season to only win 88 games with the third best run differential in the NL. The Braves are now very fortunate in the postseason to be 5-1, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see them make the World Series with Morton and Fried starting three of the next five games.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  bender

Eh. It helps when you play two of the worst teams in baseball 38 times. And the Mets and Phillies another 38 times. They were lucky in the regular season to play in a crap division, and they’re getting lucky now. But that’s baseball.

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Pretty big stretch to me to call the Marlins and Nationals “two of the worst teams in baseball.” If I had to choose a pair to play, I’d rather face the D-backs and Rockies. Yeah, the Rockies were tough in Colorado, but with the Marlins and Nationals you still at least had to face the occasional Alcantara or Scherzer matchup. And the Braves, like the rest of the NL East, did have the AL East as the interleague divisional opponent.

The Dodgers were certainly better than the Braves in the regular season, but I don’t think arguing that the Braves played a terrible schedule fits. (MLB schedules are usually close enough that the teams with the worst strengths of schedules are just the best teams, who end up having the worst SoS because they don’t play themselves.)

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

Marlins had an incredibly weird year, they spent most of it with a positive run differential.

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

The Marlins pitching kept them afloat. When their pitchers got injured, they didn’t have the depth to keep them in a positive run differential.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

The 5th and 6th worst teams in MLB by record aren’t two of the worst teams in baseball? Am I missing something?

If you put Atlanta in any other division in baseball, they’d be at home watching the playoffs.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

It depends who you switch them with. You switch the braves and brewers, braves still win the central. 3rd best run differential in the NL.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

Playing the DBacks and Rockies a lot padded both the Giants and the Dodgers stats, that’s for sure.

tung_twista
4 years ago

Did it?
Or did playing the Giants and the Dodgers a lot made the DBacks and Rockies look much worse than they actually are?

DBacks and Rockies
15-61 (20%) against Giants and Dodgers
111-136 (45%) against the rest

Giants and Dodgers
66-15 (80%) against DBacks and Rockies
152-96 (61%) against the rest

The Dodgers-Giants series certainly lived up to the expectation of watching the two best teams in NL.

kylerkelton
4 years ago

The Rosario trip around the bases in the 8th was bold but the Braves also took advantage of the Dodgers on those plays. The play at second wasn’t all that close. The Rosario play at the plate was close but Souza made a noodle-armed throw. Washington knew that was his chance and he took advantage. If Betts is in RF, Rosario holds but it wasn’t Betts… it was a significantly worse defender. Credit the Braves for taking advantage.

lavarnway
4 years ago

One team got it done tonight and the other didn’t. You can just say that instead of making excuses for the Dodgers.

Jon
4 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

If Souza’s throw was .2 mph faster and Rosario was out at home, would you then say “the Dodgers got it done and the Braves didn’t”? I guess so? Though seems odd to fundamentally alter the narrative when it hinged on so many super close plays.

lavarnway
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Yes, I would’ve. Because that would’ve meant that Souza made the play and got the job done. But he didn’t. Games hinging on super close plays is what baseball is all about anyways.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Souza made an awful throw, Pollock did not make a good throw to second base when Rosario tagged up, Seager didn’t make a play on the ball up the middle to end the game. Of course, Heredia didn’t make a play on the dying quail single to CF either. All four of those were tough plays with super thin margins but that’s how it goes.

steveo
4 years ago

Wow, if Atlanta wins just one of these next two games, they’ll be up 3-1! They would be a virtual lock to close out the series since they would only have to win one out of the last 3 games.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Thankfully mookie Betts is nowhere to be seen this year

v2miccaMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

And Joc Pederson’s October outburst are on the Braves side this time.

MichaelProcton
4 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

Good point! His 977 OPS last year in the NLCS has begat a 1000 through these first two. 🤩

williemaysfield
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Giants fans would disagree. 4-4 in game 5.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago

I sure do disagree!

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Not to mention the days off mean ATLs best pitchers pitch more often. The NLDS and game 2 also mean ATL will see a tired Scherzer, used up Urias, and a potentially short rest Buehler.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

They could win both and sweep. For game 3 the braves will have morton, who has one of the best curves in the majors (curves being the weakness of dodger hitters in general) while game 4 will apparently be a bullpen game for both teams and anything can happen.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

They’ll be up 3-1? Can you explain the math behind this comment? I would like to think that I just don’t understand it. They could be up 3-0 or 3-1, depending…

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think it’s a joke about last year and how the Braves blew a 3-1 series lead

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

yeah, bad joke

CJMember since 2020
4 years ago

Now that Dodgers don’t have Kershaw to use in ‘Let’s use up our relievers as soon as we can, so that we make sure we squeeze in our best starters in high LV situations’, they are doing their best to ruin Urias’ and Scherzer’s Playoff Mojo, if not their arms.

I REALLY don’t understand this. Aren’t Dodgers’ FO supposed to be smart? Postseason is not that short, to do this every series and not catch up with you. You’d think they have learned from YEARS of failures. It’s not that small a sample size anymore IMHO.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  CJ

It’s incredible. It happens every year. They never learn. In discussions with other giants fans in the last few days, they are generally saying ‘you see? We exhausted the dodger pitching staff!’ and i try to tell them ‘you don’t understand, this happens every year no matter who the dodgers play, they wreck their pitching staff in the division series and are a complete mess the rest of the way’. It’s something about the dodgers, it has nothing to do with the giants. Unfortunately for the giants, you have to play the dodgers in the championship series or later to benefit from it.

I can only assume it’s roberts, not the front office. He’s the one who makes these decisions.

plootoisaplanet
4 years ago

it’s not even restricted to past the DS; roberts got cute in ’19 and put in kershaw to close out the game and he immediately surrendered 2 homers. sure, that’s not the manager’s fault entirely but it’s certainly a questionable move considering your above-average bullpen. it’s a very harsh statement to say “roberts is holding back this team” because he isn’t, they won in 2020 fair and square, but it’s an awfully close call.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago

2020 was completely different. The regular season was really short and the pitchers went into the postseason having done a small proportion of their regular workload, so their general level of strength was much greater than all the other years and even Roberts couldn’t wipe out the Dodgers’ pitchers in the postseason by overusing them. In every normal year–that is, every other year–Roberts managed the team in a manner so as to exhaust crucial pitchers, they got exhausted, and the Dodgers fell short. If I were a Dodgers fan I’d be livid that he’s still managing the team. As a Giants fan I just wish they could have played the Dodgers later in the postseason so that they could benefit from the mess Roberts makes. It would be much more fun to face the Dodger pitching staff this week than last week.

synco
4 years ago
Reply to  CJ

In the last few years a lot of teams have started habitually bringing out their starters extremely early, burning up their bullpens, and then wondering why everyone’s in tatters by Game 3. I get the leverage thing, but you have win four games to win a series. Throwing five or six or nine guys every game is not how you get there.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  CJ

This is what the nationals did in 2019 with Strassburg all post season. He did do a lot to win the Series and playoffs, but its costing the team now cause he has been broken since. Corbin who pitched in relief that post season a bunch as well is also broken since. To be frank though the Nats had an iffy bullpen, so its justifiable to win the big one once. The dodgers don’t, so its much weirder to me.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

The 2016 Cubs did it ‘right’ with Chapman. Got him as a rental at the trade deadline, blew him out to help win the World Series, then let the Yankees take back the damaged goods. Cynical and unethical but effective.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

The reliever usage in these playoffs has been weird across the board. Teams are regularly going to piggyback starters, and we now have two cases of teams (Rays, Dodgers) who went back to their young lefty on short rest in relief rather than go to more rested options and it hasn’t worked at all. But you also have starters regularly getting bounced before they complete the third inning. Teams are hell-bent on not ever leaving a guy in longer than they should, ensuring that they go to the bullpen super fast but then they don’t actually trust their bullpen enough to make it work. It’s like every team has a spreadsheet planning out what is going to happen in a given scenario, and a huge number of teams are short a couple innings at critical moments because of lack of trust.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Braves pitching choices make sense if you follow the team. They have a really short leash on Anderson. Some pitchers just don’t have “it” some days, and Anderson is one of those guys. I would have gone another inning, but whatever. They had the arms in the pen if it went well or poorly.

Throwing an obviously tired Scherzer out there makes less sense. He burned a ton of pitches too. I really don’t understand why Robert’s didn’t set this series up so that he could get 3 good starts out of Scherzer, or at least a game 3 +game 7 (like the Braves are trying to set up for Morton). Maybe Scherzer’s body won’t let him. The Urias decision might be worse. But taking an away game probably makes it worth it.

vslykeMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Anderson was also pretty bad after coming back from the IL. In his 6 last regular season starts, he had a 5.67 FIP and a 4.72 xFIP (albeit a 3.62 ERA). His fastball averaged 93.8, down from 94.6 across the entire season. Having a quick hook on him makes a ton of sense, particularly with an off day the next day.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  vslyke

I streamed him a couple games early in that stretch and learned my lesson. But I was under the impression (WRONG) that the good Anderson was back.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  vslyke

I have the feeling part of the reason for the quick hook with Anderson is they want to use him in game 4.

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Although it’s weird because as the telecast noted, he’s been much worse in the first inning and usually settles down afterwards.

The reason they didn’t go another inning was that his spot was up. I assume there was some logic that if they were going to take him out, why not take him out when they’d get a pinch-hitter out of it? (Boy both teams blew threw their benches.)

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

And then the PH struck out on 3 or 4 pitches. At least there was someone on, lol.

I could totally be misremembering btw

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Roberts decided to use Scherzer in relief in game 5 of the NLDS, so he couldn’t possibly start in game 1 of the NLCS. It’s pretty mystifying why he did this after Scherzer threw 110 pitches on Monday (after which had only 2 days rest before game 5) when he could have gotten an extra inning out of Urias in game 5 (he only pitched four innings). It’s also mystifying why he didn’t give Scherzer an extra two days’ rest and start him in game 3, as you suggested, with Buehler starting game 2 on 4 days rest.

The only explanation I can think of is that Roberts apparently thinks that Scherzer has superhuman powers. He can throw 110 pitches on Monday, pick up a save on Thursday, start game 2 on Sunday, start game 6 on Saturday, and relieve with no rest in game 7 on Sunday. Or maybe start game 5 on three days rest and relieve on Sunday?

In any case, Scherzer has already announced that his arm is ‘dead’ so that plan clearly isn’t going to work.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ya I can see that in a deciding game but not Game 2

synco
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It feels like every team took the “third time through the order” thing way too seriously, and are now extending it to second time if the starter looks like they’re getting into any hint of trouble. They’re roasting their bullpens alive, and then surprise surprise no one is effective anymore five games in. Sooner or later your starters have to throw some innings or you’re going to find by the back end of the series that there isn’t anyone left.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  synco

This really does seem to be part of it. But it does seem like many of the problems could be avoided if they trusted their entire bullpen, which no one seems to really do. In theory, they have all these pitchers, you figure it’s okay, but in practice the Rays do not want to pitch Michael Wacha.

connjc
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, I think this probably nails it. If you are going to pull your starter early, then you need to trust your whole bullpen. Unfortunately, Roberts or whoever is making the gameplan for the Dodgers only trusts the top few guys. Bruil was there and rested to take on those lefties. If they aren’t going to use him then they are seriously in trouble because Vesia becomes your only left option.

connjc
4 years ago
Reply to  connjc

Or the more I’ve thought about it, Knebel was the perfect guy to pitch there with his reverse splits and ability to turn Albies around to his weaker side. The Dodgers already deployed him earlier in the series against this part of the lineup. Maybe Roberts was afraid to bring him back for the same batters? I’m not sure.

David Klein
4 years ago

Roberts allowing a shaky Urias face Riley instead of bringing in Jansen had me pulling what’s left of my hair out. The announcers defending it by saying I believe Urias stops Albies from stealing second base was whatever.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Yes and I also don’t get using Graterol instead of Jansen if they don’t trust him to finish the inning anyway. It’s not like tie game in the 9th is lower leverage than anything coming up later.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

There doesn’t seem to be actual planning, just reacting.

v2miccaMember since 2016
4 years ago

I have a say, as a long time Braves fan, I’m just trying to enjoy these unlikely wins while they last. I’m trying to appreciate this team for what it is, a group of fun underdogs that overcame massive challenges and played well above their talent level to reach this stage of the play-offs. So, even if they lose 4 straight to the Dodgers from this point, I have to call this a successful season for my team.

howieloader
4 years ago

I know Dodgers fans are starting to get uneasy because I’ve started to see articles about the “racist Tomahawk Chop” on some media sites lmao…

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  howieloader

They’re worried it’s actually working.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  howieloader

One can oppose the racist chop without being a Dodgers fan.

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Yeah but if you’re watching your team blowing a 2-run lead in the 8th while the fans are doing the chop to inspire the Braves’ hitters it’s going to get you even more upset.

howieloader
4 years ago

Lmao johnforthegiants, you nailed it, dude…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I didn’t comment on this above, but I’ll throw out there that while the chop might be the most racist thing left in the playoffs this year because it’s so dang loud, Boston’s fans are no saints either (just ask Torii Hunter or Adam Jones). And Jim Crane has a rather nasty EEOC case in his background.

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Unfortunately true about some Boston fans, but the ratio of choppers to vocally racist Boston fans is a wide gap indeed.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago

Braves are up 2-0 despite really being out played, out managed, and Freddie Freeman with a goose egg.

That could mean LAD is going to win the next 4, or that ATL will course-correct and win the series.

As a Braves fan, Duvall’s base running blunders in the NLDS are the types of things I’m used to costing them a series.

The bunts, intentional walks, etc are things that usually cost them a series.

I’m not a big “mojo” guy, but maybe the aggressive base running (which I actually like) and Austin Riley will be enough this year.

uptheirons
4 years ago

LA took one of the strengths of the team – its trio of aces, and turned it into a liability. LA has an 11 man relief corps. A corps that ranked at the top of the league. But, Roberts keeps driving his starters into the ground. It didn’t work with Kershaw from 2013-19. And, it’s not working with Scherzer and Urias.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  uptheirons

Yeah I’m not sure what the point is of carrying 9 relievers if like 4-5 are “we are never using this guy, ever”.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago

The Dodgers just didn’t execute. They needed to throw one of those baserunners out and they didn’t. Seager whiffed on a pretty easy chance.

I have no idea why they threw Rosario a strike in that last at at. I was expecting nothing but eye high fastballs.

jcarpe14Member since 2017
4 years ago

This is kinda a David vs. Goliath series, and like a lot of people, I’m pulling for the underdog here! So go Braves, even though this means I will have to look at that ridiculous tomahawk chop thing Braves fans love to do almost continuously

Luy
4 years ago

Fangraphs commenters overwhelmingly in support of not doing anything or caring about the Chop based on voting. Weird. Not super surprising, but weird.

jcarpe14Member since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  Luy

Seems to be a lot of prior discussion about the chop, which is considered racist, and is obnoxious enough on TV, not to mention, at a game, considering it is done at every juncture possible, just some annoying ritual done by fans. Which may have been quaint , during the 1990’s , but now , is considered offensive by many

johnforthegiants
4 years ago
Reply to  Luy

What would you suggest doing? Sending the national guard into Atlanta to stop it?