Brewers Sign Dinger Machine, DFA Other Dinger Machine
Chris Carter is not, by any stretch of the imagination, what one would characterize as a “pure” or “complete” hitter. He’s the owner of a .218 career batting average and has struck out in 33.1% of his plate appearances. However, 150 of his career 499 hits have also been home runs. As a result, Carter has always found a place to play. His most recent stop was with the Brewers. He hit 41 bombs in Milwaukee this past year, which was enough to tie him with Nolan Arenado for the league lead. He didn’t do much else (recording just a 0.9 WAR this year), but 41 dingers don’t just fall into one’s lap every year. That’s why it’s a little weird that the Brewers seem to have cut ties with their big, slugging first baseman last night. Again, Carter wasn’t that far above replacement level in 2016, but power is power, and it’s hard to imagine that someone wouldn’t have signed up for that in a trade over the winter or at the deadline, when power is such a hot commodity.
To replace Carter, Milwaukee has brought in Eric Thames. Yes, as you’re doing your best Obi-Wan Kenobi impression, Eric Thames. What’s he been up to since 2012, when he last appeared in a big-league game? Do you have half an hour to spare?
Those are all from 2015. Thames joined the NC Dinos in South Korea in 2014 and immediately became one of the biggest offensive threats in the league. He won the league’s MVP award in 2015 with a .381/.497/.790, 47-homer effort. He lost this year to Dustin Nippert, who appeared in 119 major-league games between 2005 and 2010 and posted a 5.31 ERA during that stretch.
In case you hadn’t heard, the KBO is an offensive paradise. Men like Yamaico Navarro, Felix Pie, Brett Pill and Thames have gone there and thrived. The pitching simply isn’t as good. Of course, simply playing in a league that makes the PCL look like Petco Park doesn’t render one unqualified to pick up a bat in the big leagues. Jung Ho Kang and Hyun Soo Kim are supporting evidence for that particular argument. But there’s a big difference between mashing in Korea and mashing here.
The last time Thames saw action in the majors, he hit .232/.273/.399 while splitting time between the Blue Jays and Mariners. He struck out in 30% of his 290 plate appearances while walking just 15 times. That’s not going to fly for a starting first baseman, regardless of whether the Brewers are in the thick of contention or not. Thames was a Quad-A player at best during his first run at the league, and we know that those players can succeed overseas. Did Thames make a concrete adjustment to his approach at the plate, or did he merely feast on the lesser pitching?
We’re going to find out soon enough. Thames has a big-league deal, and a three-year one at that. Per Adam McCalvy, he’ll make $4 million in 2017, $5 million the year after, and $6 million in 2019. The team also holds an option on his contract for 2020 for $7.5 million, with a $1 million buyout. That totals out to $16 million guaranteed. The $4 million salary for 2017 is also substantially less than Carter projected to make had the Brewers held on to him.
In the event that Thames did make some adjustments, a good outcome here is a hitter who’s relatively similar to Carter: a high-powered three-true-outcomes monster who won’t hurt the offense but also won’t be a driving force. Thames has some more speed than Carter (he stole 40 bags in his MVP campaign in 2015, but just 13 this year), so that’ll help his offensive value. A high-percentile outcome could be something like this year’s version of Jose Bautista, but with fewer walks and more steals.
In the end, we don’t really know what Eric Thames is going to do. We’ve got a pretty decent idea, sure, but there’s a large grey area here. What we do know is this: Thames is cheaper in 2017 than Carter looked to be and has a higher upside. Just how much of that upside he realizes remains to be seen, but it’s there. When all is said and done, we’re probably looking at a slightly swifter version of Carter. The Brewers, first and foremost, saved cash on this year’s payroll, and committed to $11 million for two years after that. That’s a relative drop in the bucket.
Carter is going to land on his feet. He may get a job in Baltimore as a Pedro Alvarez replacement, or maybe he’ll suit up in Colorado and swat a ton of dingers behind Arenado. There’s always room for 40-plus-dinger power in today’s game. Apparently, there wasn’t room for $4 million more on the Brewer payroll. That’s not to say that the Brewers shouldn’t have signed Thames, who represents an utterly fascinating roll of the dice. It’s good that Thames is back stateside and playing here, because if everything clicks, we’ve got a ridiculously fun player on our hands. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that money was a factor here. Which big player is being saved up for here? What’s the big splash that they’re going to make?
Deductive reasoning tells us that there isn’t one. The Brewers aren’t going to sign Bautista, and they aren’t going to sign Rich Hill. They’re not clearing payroll so that they can acquire Miguel Cabrera. If anything, they’re probably going to be shopping Ryan Braun around, and that’ll take even more money off the books.
David Stearns comes from the Jeff Luhnow school of team-building. Luhnow sold everything that wasn’t nailed to the floor in Houston and trimmed the trees down to the trunk. Carter was a branch that was growing a little too big in Milwaukee. Thames is going to be a ball to watch, one way or another, and that’s great. And yes, technically, the Brewers still have a brief window during which to trade Carter for a spare part or two. For one thing, there’s very little first-base depth behind Thames, with Carter’s departure and Adam Brett Walker’s recent DFA-ing. So maybe another first basemen will be coming to town.
In the end, though, this deal appears to be the act of a team looking to save $4 million in what is likely to be an uncompetitive season. It’s possible that the Brewers know more about Eric Thames than we do. In fact, they almost certainly do. Maybe their evaluations say Thames is going to rip the cover off the ball for the next three years and be a star. If so, congratulations to the Brewers. But if Thames is the three-true-outcomes guy that he looks like, then he’s essentially Chris Carter Light — and is going to be compensated that way.
So this is an instance of “good business” for the Brewers. As for “good taste,” that’s a different matter. For a club that was valued by Forbes at $875 million in March and featured a $104 million payroll as recently as 2015 and which is benefiting from constantly increasing league revenues, a $4 million savings doesn’t seem to be a figure of great consequence. If you’re not going to win, it doesn’t make sense to pay Carter. At the same time, though, what’s the difference? The Brewers were incentivized by the system to make this move in the name of profit. This might be evidence that the system needs to be altered.
Nick is a columnist at FanGraphs, and has written previously for Baseball Prospectus and Beyond the Box Score. Yes, he hates your favorite team, just like Joe Buck. You can follow him on Twitter at @StelliniTweets, and can contact him at stellinin1 at gmail.
Odd end to the article – you said Carter offers no upside and you know what you get out of him for $8m, Thames if he clicks is basically Bautista for less $ and under control for 3 more season… but you don’t think a team in a rebuilding position should try to take a risk on Thames vs Carter?
This seems like the ideal situation – if it works out, the Brewers suddenly have a great trade chip. If it doesn’t, well they still suck and it didn’t hurt them that much financially, when Carter would.
If Carter hits .400/.500/.900 next year, you get to bid $20m arb for his 1 more year of service, then won’t be resigning him the following season.
Yeah agreed, that ending seemed to kind of come out of nowhere. I do happen to agree that owners claiming poverty is awful, but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. As Jim says above, it’s an upside move that I think would make sense even if Carter and Thames cost the same. Seems like Nicolas went out of his way for that take.
Early estimates had Carter at roughly 8 mil for ’17 through arbitration. The Brewers have indicated they believe Carter would have been in the 9-11 million range.
To answer the question on what the difference is, 5-7 million less this year, 6-9 million less in ’18 if offered arbitration, defensive versatility (If Thames can still play corner OF), potential defensive value at 1b (Carter is solidly below average), years of control (2 vs 4), left handed bat (Milwaukee desperately needed), and upside as a hitter (Carter’s profile has not shown signs of changing at this point. Maybe Thames can be .270ish avg /.340ish obp which is an improvement).
The downside is obviously Thames is more of an unknown, and could easily be a worse hitter than Carter, but it makes too much sense to be seen as a sign that baseball’s system is broken, imo. Carter makes more sense in the AL as a DH option.
I seem to like this deal quite a bit more than you. Carter is what he is, a replacement level player without any upside who can sock a few dingers for rebuilding teams. Thames has potential, maybe… and it won’t really cost that much to find out. 16mm over 3 years is a pittance. There really isn’t any downside to swapping Carter for Thames, only upside.
I don’t think cutting Carter has anything to do with saving money. Thames is a superstar in Korea and he has stated multiple times that he thought lack of regular playing time during his first MLB go-around hurt his development. The Brewers had to cut Carter in order to show him that he was guaranteed a job
I don’t have a problem with signing Thames and cutting Carter; what I find odd is that the Brewers were willing (or somehow found they had to) offer three years to Thames. Here’s a guy who clearly wants to get back to MLB. Was he ready to tell the Brewers to go away if they’d offered a single year, or team options instead of three guaranteed? Did Thames have other suitors last year and was willing to continue playing overseas rather than take a lesser deal? Either Milwaukee is really, really high on him or they had less leverage than I would’ve guessed.
The Brewers are in a good position to take a gamble on someone like Thames; I’m just surprised the ante was so high.
If the Brewers won’t take a $16 million gamble on Thames, somebody else will.
there were several reports of multiple teams being in on thames earlier in the winter; rays, padres, A’s were mentioned by name. presumably this is where the bidding wound up
I really, really hope this works out for the Brewers. Thames was an easy guy to root for when he was booting the ball around in Toronto, and I’d love to see him come back and kick butt.
I’m not sure why people are worried the Brewers committed to too many years. The amount of money per year is relatively inconsequential, and the more years of control they have, the bigger the upside for the Brewers if Thames turns out to be an everyday or better player. If Thames flops or turns out to be a bench player, c’est la vie. If he becomes league average or better, they have an extra year of trade asset at a bargain price.
What a strange ending to the article. What about the system needs changing? You kind of left that little tidbit just hanging there without much explaination other than this being a profit signing. If you feel the system needs changing to force teams who do not currently have the means to compete on their major league roster to tender contracts to arbitration players, what else should they be forced to do?
This is a pure upside play, which is the exact thing the Brewers should be doing. It’s how teams of lower income can even conceivably compete long term. If the lower 1/3 of income teams can’t try upside over mediocre how do they rebuild? By that logic the Cubs should have been blocked from trading Feldman for Arietta. It dumped salary from a large market team and could using the same logic be a profit move.
What boggles my mind is that this was posted on Fangraphs of all places. Carter has almost no growth potential. He is what he is. A homeruns hitter who is ok at drawing walks and bad at literally every other aspect of the game of baseball, not even average at anything. He will likely be worth 1ish WAR each of the next 2 years, only 1 of which would the Brewers be not overpaying. Thames could work out or not. But his 3 year salary will be less than Carter’s 2 year salary. His potential 4 year salary will be close to Carter’s 2 years.
Meanwhile what does Thames have to do to be worth all 3 guaranteed years? About 0.67 WAR. Matt Kemp. A little better than Mitch Moreland. A little worse than Adonis Garcia. These are very low bars.
Agree completely, Chickensoup; this was a very peculiar way to finish up the article.
Personally, I think the Brewers are in better shape today than they were a few days ago, so I congratulate them on these transactions. And I do not share the author’s view that the system needs to be changed.
To be fair, i think some of it needs to be changed. Starting with the QO/draft pick compensation stuff, which is a system meant to help small market teams but has been mostly abused by larger teams. Draft pick compensation cannot go away quick enough for Brewers fans in particular since the team missed out on getting Mike Trout (who was a top option on their draft board) because Teixeira was considered better than Sabbathia and both went to the Yankees (Brewers got a second round pick….yay?).
On the strength of 76 walks this year, Chris Carter had a higher on-base percentage than did Khris Davis and Mark Trumbo, who joined Carter in the 40-homer club. Carter’s on-base percentage of .321 was only six points behind that of Kendrys Morales, who signed a three-year, $33 million contract with the Blue Jays.
Carter posted a higher on-base percentage than the Kansas City Royals, who finished last in the American League in home runs.
Kansas City might be a decent landing spot for Carter.
Yeah, I don’t get why Morales got what he got and people were like ” it’s a bit of an overpay, maybe”, and Carter isn’t worth 8 million. I’d take him for that much easily.
Carter is probably worth $8-9 mil this year, but probably not worth the raise he will receive next year (likely $10-11 mil range).
If the Brewers were not getting Thames (or someone else similar) they would have kept Carter. It’s not that his contract this year was not going to be fair. It’s that he represents a placeholder for the team. A higher upside option came up and they went a different direction.
Thames could *maybe* play some corner OF too, so there’s that.
It’s funny how talking about baseball salaries skews people’s perspectives on money. $4M is still $4M and that’s still a large sum of money.
It’s also funny how Chris Carter draws all this attention when he is plainly a one dimensional, replacement level player. It shows how HR also skew perspective. If he were a glove-first SS with no bat (Adeiny Hecheverria or Alcides Escobar for example) who was worth an equivalent value, there would be zero discussion of the deal.
I also have to agree the final couple lines are strange. Teams make cost-cutting moves all the time. The Cubs sent Kris Bryant back to the minors last year when he was so obviously ready for the majors just so they could get an extra year of arbitration out of him. What’s the difference? The difference is $4M next year and as others have noted, probably a fair bit more than that over the next 4 years. The final paragraph is a lot of angst over a guy who is on the wrong side of the aging curve and isn’t even likely to be league average.