Brewers Take the Matt Garza Chance
All along, it was suspected that Masahiro Tanaka was holding up the whole available pitching market. Teams wanted to know if they could get the best available pitcher; other available pitchers wanted to know which teams might be reduced to going after them. Wednesday, we all found out that Tanaka had made his decision. A day later, the Matt Garza domino has fallen. Out of nowhere, the Brewers swooped in and claimed Garza for four years and $52 million.
So, it’s that contract, for a pitcher going to a team that’s maybe on the fringes of the race. It’s identical to the contract Edwin Jackson signed to go to a team that wasn’t very good. It’s basically the same as the contract Ricky Nolasco signed to go to a team that wasn’t very good. None of these guys were given qualifying offers, so none of them cost any draft picks. They simply cost money, and as far as this particular move is concerned, it’s hard not to like it. I’d say it’s also hard to love it, but for the Brewers it’s a good upside play.
The thing about Garza that held his market down was injury risk. On multiple occasions we heard that teams were nervous about his elbow, which has got a screw in it. The screw isn’t new, but Garza’s had three different elbow-related DL stints, plus a more recent lat strain. Over the past three years he ranks 67th in baseball in starts, with 73, which ties him with Jake Peavy. Teams would’ve been reluctant to give Garza four guaranteed years. Just by winning this sweepstakes, the Brewers convey that they’re among the least concerned, and certainly less concerned than average. If nothing else, that’s bold.
But then look at how Garza’s done when he’s pitched. The last three seasons, he ranks 24th in WAR/200 innings. We can break this down further. All numbers are for starters, 2011-2013, with a 300-inning minimum.
ERA-
- Rank: 34th out of 125
- Names nearby: Mat Latos, CC Sabathia, Adam Wainwright
FIP-
- Rank: 22nd out of 125
- Names nearby: James Shields, Jake Peavy, Jordan Zimmermann
xFIP-
- Rank: 23rd out of 125
- Names nearby: Hiroki Kuroda, Jeff Samardzija, Gio Gonzalez
Garza has consistently pitched pretty well. He just hasn’t consistently pitched, but as we’ve gone over in this space, talent and durability are separate considerations, and if you want both, you’ll have to pay a premium. The A’s have done well to target the former over the latter, and the Brewers are making a similar kind of commitment. They could’ve looked for a more certain 30 starts, but Garza provides greater volatility and therefore far greater upside.
The health question is something Garza has, and something Ubaldo Jimenez and Ervin Santana don’t. Definitely, that’s legitimate. That’s a reason to prefer the latter two guys. But you can look at it a different way: Garza has never performed poorly, not since he was a rookie in 2006. His worst ERA- since is 99. His worst xFIP- since is 103, with most seasons in the double digits. As recently as one year ago, Jimenez was a complete and utter mechanical and statistical mess. As recently as one year ago, the Angels gave Santana away as a salary dump after he allowed 109 runs. With Garza, at least you have a sense of what you’ll get if he’s pitching. Jimenez and Santana are unpredictable in their own ways.
And they were extended qualifying offers, which will further reduce their markets. If Garza got four years and $52 million, they shouldn’t expect to beat this, at least not by much. At one time, Santana was going after nine figures, but at one time, Nelson Cruz was talking five years and $75 million. By now Santana has hopefully had his expectations readjusted.
So what does this actually mean for the Brewers, as a team? For one thing, because Garza’s just 30, it’s not like this is a play to just win right away. Garza could realistically produce for all four seasons. But right now we’re all most concerned with 2014, and it’s not like Matt Garza was the difference between the Brewers and the Cardinals. Before today, the Brewers were probably the fourth-best team in their division. Now they might still be the fourth-best team in their division. But they’re closer to the Reds and the Pirates, meaning they’re closer to the Wild Card race, and if you squint the rotation looks actually legitimate.
By our projections, pre-Garza, the Brewers had baseball’s second-worst starting rotation. They’re still in the lower tier, but some of the names are appealing:
- Matt Garza
- Kyle Lohse
- Yovani Gallardo
- Wily Peralta
- Marco Estrada
And then, for depth, there’s Tyler Thornburg, and Will Smith, and others. Gallardo has declined, and he’s probably not going to get back to the summit. Lohse is effective but entirely unsexy. Yet there’s reason for hope for everyone, and it’s helpful to have a staff that goes more than five guys deep given the near inevitability of injury or under-performance. Signing Garza has an obvious effect and a chaining effect, that should help this unit seem stable for at least as long as Garza’s arm works.
And a healthy Garza is maybe the best pitcher on the staff. Even if he doesn’t help the Brewers make the playoffs right away, he should help the Brewers. They’re close enough to daydream, and there’s nothing wrong with teams like this making improvements, especially when they don’t cost anything but money. It’s a better product on the field at the cost of about two wins a year, for four years. The last time Garza was fully healthy he was worth five wins, and there hasn’t been a real decline in his stuff.
One wonders if this will turn out a better investment than the Yankees’ investment in Masahiro Tanaka. The odds are against it, which is why the Yankees guaranteed more than three times the money. But if it were to work out that way, what level of surprise would be appropriate, really?
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
This post has brought to my attention the egregious fact that Hiram Burgos isn’t even considered an SP on the Brewers depth chart.
I’m consistently amazed at how quickly you guys are able to offer your analysis. Saw the news on ESPN not 5 minutes ago, and already you have a post about it. Well done.
Dave is like three times faster than I am. It’s unbelievable to observe.
I’ve heard Dave talk at SABR events, and I’ve never heard anybody who could talk more quickly. So now you’re telling me he writes almost as fast as he talks. Yeegads.
He has 30 drafts of “player X signs with team Y” for each free agent. Full, 1500-word posts, most featuring charts n’ gifs.
Once the player signs, simply post the applicable one, discard the other 29. Lather, rinse, repeat!
I can’t help but think the Yankees would have been better off using the Tanaka loot on Garza, Jimenez (or Santana) and Drew. Seems like 175M would have bought all three.
With enough left over for Balfour or Rodney, most likely.
I like Garza’s upside if he stays healthy. I don’t really like him in Milwaukee though, that park can be rough to pitch in during the summer.
With the rumors that the Astros offered Tanaka a contract, I was thinking this morning that Garza would be a good fit there. A veteran that could help their kids over the next few years.
Still have the money for Drew. I would not touch either Garza or Jiminez. Garza is breaking down, and Jiminez has had 2 good months in 3 years.
Sounds like a perfect signing for my Blue Jays!
*shoots self in face*
“The A’s have done well to target the former over the latter, and the Brewers are making a similar kind of commitment.” As a Brewers fan, there’s little else that could make me happier than the team being compared to the Oakland A’s on the pages of Fangraphs. I’ve been hoping for this kind of approach from Melvin since as long as I can remember and particularly since the end of the 2011 season.
Why don’t the Yankees just buy the A’s?
I remember that working out pretty well for them in the past.
The A’s have a strange history of not being able to hold on to elite talent due to finances. It goes back a hundred years and covers three cities; Philly, KC and Oakland. See Eddie Collins, Home Run Baker, Grove, Fox, Marris, Jackson, Catfish, Henderson, McGwire, Giambi, Tejada Hudson etc.
They could be their own personal farm team.
The Brewers have great fans. As long as they are a reasonably decent team, the fans will come to the games. This signing goes a long ways toward meeting that goal.
This.
I’m excited to see the Brewers be more competitive. The Central just got a little tighter.
I can’t figure out why he didn’t go earlier for this much or more to a better team. I understand that the health question means you need to tack on the expense and performance of whatever replacement will handle his missed starts, but it still looks like a solid buy to me.
So, in other words, the health questions are why he didn’t go earlier or to a better team.
Not at all, Steve. Did you actually read the whole post before responding or just have difficulty comprehending it? If you expect a guy to miss 5-10 starts during a season it isn’t that difficult to adjust your value of that player accordingly. It’s a different scenario from being worried that a pitcher might need surgery and end up missing most of a season.
The Brewers looked like around a .500 ball club. With this addition, maybe you can add 2-2.5 wins so they at least have a small chance of contention.
Very surprised it took this long for Garza, especially not recieving the QO.
And, I am surprised at the price tag given the lack of QO. I assumed he’d get a lot more $/year. Not sure why the Angels or Mariners wouldn’t get in on the bidding.
Matt Garza gave a quite disgusting performance as a ranger for the latter half of 2013 season. Although it shouldn’t be that much of a concern because he won’t be pitching in either AL for Arlington.
Also it shouldn’t be a concern because you’re referring to 84 IP with Texas when we have his entire career to look at.
Just because they are only 84 innings doesn’t mean you throw them away.
They are also his MOST RECENT 84 innings, and should therefore get appropriate weighting in any projections.
He has a screw in his elbow. He goes on the DL a lot for his elbow.
He pitched poorly heading into FA, possibly because of his elbow.
Let’s not hide behind the “SSS” tag and pretend like this contract is not without significant risks.
Did you even read your original argument?
You said he pitched poorly with Texas,, “although it shouldn’t be that much of a concern because he won’t be pitching in either AL for Arlington.”
Your argument was that his struggles aren’t that much of a concern BECAUSE he won’t be pitching in the AL or (I’m assuming you meant “or”) at Texas. As in, pitching in the AL and in Texas CAUSED him to pitch poorly and because he is shifting to the NL and Milwaukee, we shouldn’t be concerned much.
Your response was a classic strawman argument. You posited that I was refuting an argument that included injuries, but you never mentioned injuries in your original argument; you only mentioned the AL and Texas as causes of his performance. Then you struck down that argument which you created flawed.
Let’s try to be coherent next time.
Well, the bad elbow could be a reason he can’t handle the AL anymore but can get by in the lesser league w/o a DH. Might make sense for the Brewers or other NL teams but not an AL team.
He certainly should not have been considered by the Yankees. In that park his numbers would look like Phil Hughes.
I’m not sure why you think that, pft. Even if he would produce a higher ERA in a tougher league, his value would be the same. A pitcher in that environment would be expected to produce a higher ERA, so a higher ERA would not diminish the pitcher’s value.
I have not seen any evidence that a pitcher can handle only the NL but can’t handle the AL. Some people post anecodtal evidence of one pitcher or a couple, but the overall differences are represented by the differences in value. To post some anecdotal evidence of my own, remember when Hiroki Kuroda moved from the NL West with huge ballparks to the AL and Yankee Stadium without a huge fastball? Pitchers may be better suited to certain ballparks because of their homerun tendencies, but not because of their stuff or any other arbitrary variable that is decided upon from anecdotal evidence.
***I meant to refer to stuff not being only useful in the NL, not the AL.
******And I don’t know why my name changed…
why are the odds against this being a better contract then Tanaka? I think people are really overrating Tanaka
yankees seem like that idiot at the car dealership excited to pay sticker price. then the next guy comes in an gets a lesser car at a far better deal.
If the Yankees goal was to get the lesser car at the better deal, that’s what they would do.
But it isn’t.
It’s to get the best car.
That’s the difference between real life and internet GMs.
I agree that Tanaka was easily the best pitcher available (although I think he’s more of a top 20-30 starter as opposed to ace), but the Yankees might have been better off getting Matt Garza, Ubaldo Jimenez, Stephen Drew, and Omar Infante, and Grant Balfour.
That’s not necessarily true. If the lesser car at the far better deal also offers the buyer the opportunity to purchase a new refrigerator, big screen TV, outdoor grill, and home entertainment system, the buyer might end up happier despite the fact that their car isn’t quite as good as their neighbor’s.
I’m not saying that they chose the wrong option in going with Tanaka; I’m not really sure. But they wouldn’t necessarily be worse off with Garza if it also allowed them to sign Drew and Jimenez. Let’s face it…the Yankees still have some holes.
Since 1921… they are 40 with 27. No other team is even close.
Prior to the rule 4 draft the yankees could buy any player they chose because… New York. Prior to revenue sharing they could buy any player they chose via free agency. Post revenue sharing they became a 2nd rate club.
the end
“2nd rate club”
And yet, they have the most wins (by far actually) since revenue sharing has gone into effect. If you want to count revenue sharing since 1996, then they have 5 of the 18 World Series titles.
If by “2nd rate” you mean they have a rate that is better than any other team’s “1st rate”, then you’re right!
Saying they’re second-rate is a little excessive. Revenue sharing started in 1996 and the current language of it has been in effect since 2002. From 2003-2013 (11 years), they have been to the playoffs 9 times, been to the WS twice (won it once) and had >95 wins 8 times. The worst season they’ve had during this entire span was just last year and they were 85-77.
The number of other teams to match any of those numbers? 0. Heck, you won’t find any other team reaching the playoffs as many times as the Yankees have won 95 games. The highest are the Cardinals and Red Sox with 7.
There’s a reason why it’s always a big hullabaloo by the media when the Yankees DON’T make the playoffs. It’s because they do it. Every. Single. Year.
Crazy number. 15 teams in MLB have made the playoffs 2 or fewer times in this same time frame. The total number of appearances between them is 17. The Yankees, Cardinals and Red Sox combine for 23.
> why are the odds against this being a better contract then Tanaka? > I think people are really overrating Tanaka
Gee, I don’t know – maybe because the high-water mark for ERA the last five years for one of the pitchers is 2.50? Because one of the pitchers has a sub-1.00 WHIP two of the past three years? Because one of the pitchers has won 60% of the games he’s *started* (and 75% of games he got a decision) on a team that, until this year, had exactly one winning record in seven seasons? Because the other pitcher has a career ERA of 3.84 and won exactly 50% of games he got a decision in (35% of games started).
Past performance is no guarantee of future success, yada yada yada…but to say Tanaka is ‘over-rated- is a bit ridiculous. His *stats* are ridiculous; he has a proven track record in Japan. His stats in Japan pro ball stack up just fine vs countryman Darvish (although they’re obviously very different pitchers).
In his last year in Japan, Darvish had an ERA of 1.44, when the league average was 2.95. In Tanaka’s last year in Japan, he had an ERA of 1.27, when the league average was 3.57 (increase in runs thanks to a juiced-up ball introduced in secret courtesy of the Japan pro league trying to goose up attendance. It’s not a coincidence that Japan’s 50-year old single-season home run record was crushed this year).
Here’s a cool way to blow your mind – double Tanaka’s ERA then realize he’d *still* be a full run better than the league average last year.
Hey may or may not pan out, but it’s not just empty hype.
yeah we get it… Tanaka was big in Japan. Emphasis on the “in Japan”.
That same year in which he posted his otherworldly ERA, one Wladimir Balentien, MLB failure, was breaking the cherished home run record.
All I’m saying is, there’s reason to be optimistic, ’cause Tanaka was awesome in Japan. There’s also reason to be pessimistic, cause Wladimir Balentien was awesome in that same league.
KLaw said the Garza signing will be a hot mess for the Brewers.
Garza is going to go like 11-9 with a 4.xx ERA and miss the last 6 weeks of the season or the like. Typical Brewers 🙁
I was rooting for the Cubs to get Garza back on maybe a 3 year deal, but I didn’t realize he had a screw in his arm. The reports the entire time have been that the Cubs were not interested, and that’s pretty incredible considering his track record with the Cubs.
Obviously, as good as evaluators as Jed and Theo are, there had to be something to it. He didn’t cost a draft pick at all and they missed out on Tanaka.
I just doubt they made him an offer at all, which makes me wonder what they think about him as a person and the screw in his elbow.