Buoyed By a Break, Red Sox Win ALDS Game 3 With Walk-off Blast
BOSTON — It’s a shame that one team had to lose. In a game that will go down as a postseason classic, the Boston Red Sox walked off the Tampa Bay Rays, 6–4, on a 13th-inning home run by Christian Vázquez to win Game 3 of the ALDS and take a 2–1 series lead.
Now, on to what transpired.
The eventful first inning epitomized modern-era baseball. Red Sox right-hander Nathan Eovaldi fanned three Rays batters in the top half but also gave up an Austin Meadows home run — a 406-foot shot off the back wall of the visiting bullpen — that followed a Wander Franco single. In the bottom half, Rays right-hander Drew Rasmussen was taken deep by Kyle Schwarber — this one at 390 feet — but then fanned Rafael Devers after giving up a 104.8-mph single off the Green Monster by Enrique Hernández.
Eight batters into the game, we had four strikeouts, two home runs, and a pair of singles, one of which would have been a double in 29 other ballparks. Moreover, all four batted balls were hit with triple-digit exit velocity. Again, modern-era baseball: whiffs, dingers, and Statcast readings to measure it all. A three-strikeout, one-walk top of the second only added to the three-true-outcome mix.
Then there is bull-penning. What happened in the bottom of the third arguably doesn’t fit that definition — the Rays had hoped for more from Rasmussen — but it did qualify as a willingness to go to the bullpen early and often. A trio of Boston singles knotted the game at two runs apiece, prompting Kevin Cash to lift his starter and bring in left-hander Josh Fleming. A run-scoring knock by Devers gave the Red Sox the lead, and two outs later, Andrew Kittredge was summoned to face J.D. Martinez. The bearded righty with the 1.88 ERA proceeded to strand a pair of runners with a timely strikeout, keeping the score 3–2.
Eovaldi dodged a bullet in the fifth. A one-out double by the ever-dependable Joey Wendle put the tying run in scoring position with the top of the order coming up. With his pitch count climbing — he finished the frame with 85 — Eovaldi retired Brandon Lowe on a line drive to center and wünderkind Franco on a roller to first.
Schwarber’s clean handling of Franco’s routine grounder came after he made an error on a similar play in the third inning, when he launched an underhand flip well over the head of Eovaldi, who was racing to cover the bag. Essentially learning on the job — he has 11 career games at the position — he responded with self-deprecating celebration this time around, pumping his fist and doffing his cap to an appreciative Fenway Park crowd.
Hernández greeted Pete Fairbanks, Tampa’s fourth pitcher of the night, in the bottom of the fifth with the game’s hardest-struck and farthest-driven ball — a moonshot onto Landsdowne Street that was hit at 109.8 mph and traveled 424 feet. That doubled Boston’s lead to 4–2.
Now it was Alex Cora’s turn to go the bullpen. Not wanting to push his ace any further, he turned to lefty Josh Taylor to start the sixth, then to righty Ryan Brasier with a man on and two out, who got Randy Arozarena to tap a soft grounder back to the mound. The pitcher parade wasn’t done. J.P. Feyereisen tossed a scoreless sixth for the Rays, and Austin Davis replaced Brasier with two out in the top of the seventh. After issuing a four-pitch walk to Jordan Luplow, who was pinch-hitting for Wendle, the lefty then retired the dangerous Lowe, who hit 39 home runs in the regular season, on a fly ball to center.
What didn’t project as a bullpen game for either team became just that, and it wasn’t done yet. Matt Wisler blanked Boston after the crowd sang “Take Me Out To The Ballgame,” followed by Cora calling on Hansel Robles to handle the eighth. It didn’t go well. Leading off, Franco took the former Twins closer deep to make it 4–3, and Meadows followed with a double off of the centerfield fence. An uneasy Fenway Park crowd that has seen an inconsistent bullpen blow numerous leads in recent months reacted with boos; a mound visit came next.
A swinging bunt by Nelson Cruz advanced Meadows to third. The speedier Manuel Margot came on as a pinch-runner — a sacrifice fly clearly on Cash’s mind — and Cora, hoping for a ground ball, kept the strategic wheels spinning by playing the infield in. Neither ploy mattered, as Yandy Díaz swung through a 98-mph Robles fastball for the second out.
That brought up Arozarena. Analytics have largely laid waste to the idea that there is such thing as a clutch hitter, but if a modern-day argument exists, it’s because of him; he came into the game with a 1.233 OPS in 100 October plate appearances. He came through again on Sunday, doubling to center to tie the game. Garrett Whitlock, Boston’s sixth pitcher of the night, replaced Robles and issued an intentional walk, then fanned Mike Zunino to end the inning.
Amid tension that you could cut with a knife, a 4–4 game headed to the ninth, but both teams proceeded to go down without a threat; Whitlock held down the fort in the top half, and JT Chargois, the seventh Rays pitcher to toe the rubber, did the same in the bottom half. For the first time in 2021, a postseason game was headed to extra-innings.
Fate demanded that Arozarena would bat in the 10th, and the baseball gods decided that there would be a tinge of controversy. With two outs and the 26-year-old Cuban at the plate, Margot, on first after a single, swiped second base… only to be tagged out after coming off the bag. The ruling went to replay review, and the call on the field stood; a veritable coin-flip special, it just as easily could have been reversed.
Nine pitches into his at-bat against Tampa’s eighth pitcher of the game, J.D. Martinez nearly walked it off. Facing David Robertson with Alex Verdugo on first base, the slugger skied a ball to deep center, only to have it land in Kevin Kiermaier’s glove, just in front of the 375-foot sign. A Renfroe pop-up later, and it was on to the eleventh.
Back at the dish due to Margot’s failed steal attempt, Arozena led off the 11th, and for the second consecutive inning, base-running mayhem was at hand. After a walk, he swiped second, and when the throw caromed off Devers’ glove — the third baseman covering second because of a defensive shift — in the direction of center-field grass, he turned the bag and headed for third, which had been left uncovered. It was a mistake, but it didn’t cost him: The ball was quickly retrieved and fired back in, temporarily trapping the aggressive Arozarena between the two bags, but Boston botched the short rundown, and he scampered safely back to second. He was ultimately stranded there, though, as Nick Pivetta, who had been expected to start Monday’s Game 4 but had come out of the bullpen to start the 11th, struck out the next three Tampa batters.
Tampa Bay dodged trouble again in the 11th thanks to Luplow, who saved the Rays from a game-ending error. Playing first base, a position he’d manned just 17 times previously, he scooped a two-out, one-hop throw from Franco that would have scored Christian Arroyo from second had it skipped past. Pivetta followed with a second scoreless frame, and the game moved on to the 12th, which went by uneventfully for both sides.
Thirteen proved to be the unlucky number for the Rays. and in more ways than one. The top half featured a play that was even more controversial — and ultimately more meaningful — than the reviewed stolen-base decision. With Diaz on first, two outs, and a 3–2 count, Kiermaier launched a shot off Pivetta into the right-center gap that hit the short wall in front of Boston’s bullpen and caromed off of Hunter Renfroe and over the wall. Diaz, who was running on the pitch, raced home with what looked like a Tampa Bay run.
Then came confusion. The umpires huddled and, much to the dismay of Rays fans everywhere, ruled that Kiermaier had hit a ground-rule double, and that Diaz therefore had to return to third base. It was the correct ruling. Per the MLB rule book: “If a fair ball not in flight is deflected by a fielder and then goes out of play, the award is two bases from the time of pitch.” The rule also states the runner shall only advance two bases. Had the ball remained on the field of play, Diaz would have scored easily; instead, Zunino fanned to end the inning.
Thanks to that good fortune, the Red Sox came up in the bottom of the 13th with yet another a chance to win. They did just that, with Vázquez as the hero. Facing Luis Patiño with a man on and a man out, the veteran catcher drove a pitch over the Monster, sending Fenway Park into euphoria. Five hours and 14 minutes after the first pitch was thrown — there were 389 thrown in all — the Red Sox had won a classic. Game 4 is Monday night.
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A few things about Rasmussen. His stuff is awesome and it is definitely good enough to start. Despite how he was used by the Rays, I am skeptical Rasmussen is going to last as a traditional starter because of the double TJ. It’s just really risky. But the Rays almost certainly wanted him to go longer than 2 innings tonight because he pretty regularly went 4 or 5 in the regular season. When a guy gets chased after 2 innings (and it was the right decision to pull him, he was getting hit) and the game goes 13 innings…that is the kind of game that will wreck your bullpen. It’s just brutal. Wisler being hurt isn’t really that big a deal by itself but it does kind of compound the problems they’ll face in Game 4 even with McHugh being back.
Rasmussen’s counterpart in this game has had two TJs and was neck and neck with Gerritt Cole for the AL lead in pitcher WAR this year
If you really want to start comping you can’t just pick the single most successful starter who has had double TJ.
Here are the list of double-TJ pitchers (leaving off Jason Isringhausen and Josh Johnson who had it three times and some guys who had it in the last couple of years like Clevinger and John Curtiss).:
Brian Anderson
Brandon Beachy
Matt Beech
Doug Brocail
Chris Capuano
Todd Coffey
Greg Colbrunn
Tim Collins
Rubby De La Rosa
Joey Devine
Darren Dreifort
Nathan Eovaldi
Pete Fairbanks
John Farrell
Caleb Ferguson
Jason Frasor
Eric Gagne
Joel Hanrahan
Jeremy Hefner
Daniel Hudson
Hong Chih Kuo
Jacob Lindgren
Andrew McKirahan
Kris Medlen
Joe Nathan
Steve Ontiveros
Jarrod Parker
Al Reyes
Joakim Soria
Jameson Taillon
Shawn Tolleson
Edinson Volquez
Brian Wilson
Vance Wilson
Mark Wohlers
Randy Wolf
Blake Wood
Tyler Yates
Victor Zambrano
Jeff Zimmerman
Okay, so with that list, here is the question we’d need to answer: Can a guy who has had double-TJ hold up under a starter’s workload long-term?
Looking at this: This is tough because almost everyone on that list was either a marginal pitcher or returned as a reliever after the 2nd TJ. Joakim Soria has been a fine reliever, but that doesn’t really help us understand the question. Jameson Taillon and Nathan Eovaldi are probably the most positive points of reference, but Taillon just returned so it’s unclear how far he can go. Kris Medlen and Jose Rijo (mistakenly left off the first list) are probably the worst case scenarios. Volquez and Wolf were already kind of marginal pitchers and they were older so it’s hard to say they make sense as a reference.
From this, I am going to conclude that there’s no way to answer this question with comps, because after 1 TJ almost all of these guys get moved to the bullpen or were already in the bullpen to start (Joe Nathan, for example). But so far it looks like some do and some don’t.
Two other related questions that are also worse thinking about:
1) Is this actually worse than single-TJ or is it just the last TJ that matters?
2) Is there a certain amount of time you’re in the “danger zone” after a double TJ or is the risk permanent over time?
How many pitchers on this list had their second TJ before turning 22?
Not many but I legitimately don’t know if that is better or worse!
Where’s Jonny Venters?
Game 4 will also likely involve a lot of the Rays’ RP facing the same batters they faced in Game 3 not even 24 hours ago. Really interested to see if familiarity plays to the Sox’s advantage. Whatever the case, Boston needs to end it in Fenway. If the Rays tie it 2-2 and get a day off for the pen before Game 5, they’re far more dangerous.
Yeah, the Rays are extremely vulnerable tonight compared to game 5. In addition to the fact that almost all of the Rays relievers will have been seen by the batters / gassed (with the exception of McHugh and Wacha) the Rays were already planning for a bullpen game today with Patino as the opener. And they used him last night.
I’m not 100% certain who the Rays are going to start but it sounds like they think McClanahan would only be ready to go in Game 5, so in that case Game 5 really would be them rolling out their strongest possible pitching group. In Game 4, if one of Wacha or McHugh struggles they’re in a whole lot of trouble.
The Red Sox aren’t in fantastic shape either since they’ll have to start Eduardo Rodriguez on short rest after using Pivetta last night but compared to the Rays, it’s a much better position. The Rays are clearly the better team at full strength but they won’t be at full strength until Game 5.
Reports are that the Rays are boycotting this game, and MLB is strongly looking into it
“Reports”. And boycotting what? The Red Sox got stupidly lucky, but there is absolutely no doubt that the call was correct with the rules that are in place.
Exactly. The only element that could make a difference is if Renfroe knocked it over on purpose, which he clearly didn’t.
Boycotting? So, they’re not gonna show up today? I’m sure Boston will gladly take the forfeit with a day off that leads to a trip to the ALCS.
I think that you need to completely purge your media diet of its current sources and find some more reputable sources.
That Schwarber moment where he tipped his cap was just too good. Some much needed levity about the Red Sox 1B situation in my opinion. A lot of fans were angry that Bloom didn’t get an ‘actual’ first baseman at the deadline, but giving Schwarber a shot at the position is exactly the type of risk that an org like the Red Sox should be taking. The upside is they get an above average first baseman for a low cost relative to the other options. And if he doesn’t transition well to the position and ends up costing them, you know what? It’s just a game, and a silly one at that considering the ground-rule double fiasco. I’m glad Schwarber can see the humor in the situation, and the fans seemed to as well.
Between Houck and Pivetta. the two best arms in our bullpen are starters…
The Red Sox used four-fifths of their opening day rotation in game 162.
The Red Sox roster construction (especially their pitching staff) has the organization, coherence, and polish of a pile of vomit. I don’t think Cora gets enough credit for optimizing it as well as he does
I wouldn’t say that’s particularly uncommon. We just saw the Nats win the World Series essentially without a bullpen. Given that almost all relievers are former starters that weren’t good enough to start in the majors, it’s not crazy to think your 4th and 5th starters could be your two best relievers
Not only this one, but the ground rule double turns doubles/triples and (occasional) inside the park homeruns into another play that doesn’t really involve fielding running etc..
Higher walls, and spongy warning tracks.
Yeah, that stupid rule probably cost the Rays this game. And with a bullpen game tomorrow with their bullpen already gassed, it’s not looking great for the Rays. Their bullpen is a bit overrated. There are lots of guys who you aren’t afraid of. I mean David Robertson is throwing key innings for them. I think the Red Sox win tomorrow and close it out.
All five of Fleming, Feyereisen, Chargois, Kittredge and Fairbanks threw 20 or fewer pitches. If you’re lucky, that’s going to take care of five innings. Burning Patino tonight hurts. Can McHugh get you through the lineup once?
Will they consider using McLanahan on three days rest? 82 pitches
It’s kind of tough to see how they put nine innings together without using Wacha.
Fleming has never pitched in back-to-back games, and Chagois has struggled a bit on no rest and hence has only faced a single hitter after throwing c. 20 pitches. Which is why Cash has already says he expects to use Wacha. McHugh has not gone beyond 2 innings on no rest this year.
No one is mentioning Baz, who has great stuff and who (like Waxha) might well be on his day to throw a side session. They need 4 innings between him and Wacha.
See this is why I don’t like the Rays relying on the bullpen so heavily. I know that the extra days off in the playoffs make it feasible most of the time but it makes the team less resilient to have so few guys you trust to throw 5 innings.
If they can get to Game 5 they’re still the favorites because they’re a much better team than the Red Sox at full strength but Game 4 is going to be really tough for them.
The Rays haven’t won a normal playoff series with days off since the World Series year in 2008. Last year they were helped not hurt by not having days off IMO- teams couldn’t use their starters in a normal fashion.
The Rays system to me looks like a regular season system that in the playoffs just doesn’t work. You still need some semblance of starting pitching to be successful in the playoffs. The Red Sox haven’t been great starting- but at least they’ve had Houck and Pivetta giving them the needed length that the Rays haven’t gotten at all.
It’s dependent on no one blowing up … or at least not blowing up to the point when you need to move all the other relievers you were going to use up by an inning or two. During the regular season, it’s OK. If someone blows up you gut it out with the last couple guys on the staff and lose that game (probably). So be it. But in the playoffs it kills you.
yeah and obviously regular season you can option train out someone and bring up someone else. Can’t do it in the playoffs.
Yes: When you have an unplanned bullpen game or the game goes into extra innings a couple more times than usual you really rip up your bullpen. I never understood Kevin’s lack of concern over this in his previous article. When you have to use more relievers than expected most teams struggle the next couple of games. But if you are relying on your bullpen more than the others, then when something like this happens it affects more of your strategy. How do you do a planned bullpen game using the same guys who did the impromptu bullpen game yesterday? It might be fine but it definitely won’t work in the way they planned it out before.
If they get through Game 4 it’ll be fine but Game 4 will be tough.
(The other issue is long-term burnout / injuries where the Rays will ride their guys so hard they’re not available anymore but they seem to have dealt with that by repeatedly finding new good relievers, and it’s less relevant to the playoffs anyway)
Last year the Rays had Snell/Morton/Glasnow. They arguably would’ve been tougher with more days off, especially since a big part of the reason why they lost is because their bullpen was so gassed.
Next year, they’ll have Mcclanahan, Patino, Baz. Not great, since the latter two are still question marks, but it’s a start.
Edit – meant to reply to stever20.
I think I’d have taken last years Gerrit Cole in a 5th game situation with normal rest over whoever the Rays would use. Same in the Astros series.
In fairness, their ace and most traditional starter got hurt. That would deeply affect any team.
I do wonder if the Rays regret dumping Rich Hill to clear salary for the Cruz acquisition. They could really use a solid enough “veteran presence” in the midst of all the rookies. Lots of reliever innings and lots of very inexperienced but very talented pitchers isn’t the entirety of the plan. They weren’t able to replace Charlie Morton.
They thought Rich Hill was worse than all the young guys anyway. At the time there was some thinking that the Rays had an embarrassment of riches in the rotation due to the emergence of McClanahan and Patino, and then they turned Rasmussen into a starter too. None of those guys were on the opening day roster, so in some sense they got lucky.
Also Hill’s metrics started looking bad for him in the leadup to the trade. But then he went ahead and was just as good or better for the Mets as he was for the Rays. So in that sense, they didn’t work out.
I do wonder a bit about the Glasnow thing; they weathered it fine in the regular season which was a huge shock to me. They did need to have some sort of depth but getting through the regular season (when you can let Wacha soak up a lot of innings) is different than the playoffs. They even left Yarbrough off the playoff roster which indicates to me that they really didn’t think the extra innings-eating would be worth leaving someone else off.
The Rays are not even the better team, period, when you look at the current rosters. Schwarber only played a quarter of the season. Kike Hernandez was signed because they thought they could teach him to stop chasing, and had a 72 wRC+ and 1.5 fWAR per 150 games when they temporarily demoted him from leadoff in mid-June. He’s been 150 and 8.0 since (and if you adjust wRC+ via xwOBA, it’s 69 to 152). [*] His plate discipline metrics and K/W back that up as entirely real, modulo pitchers eventually refining their approach against him , and he has a .444 xwOBA and .597 wOBA in 20 post-season PA (much of the difference being real, as pulled fly balls have a big gap on average ).
Dalbec and Renfroe are better than their season numbers as well, with good reasons to believe their before and after splits have a solid real component. They have a much better lineup, and any pitching advantage the Rays have can’t offset that.
[*] Yeah, I’m excluding the first 8 games after he came back from COVID, to a team with a bunch of other guys on the list, and had a -23 wRC+ and -7.5 fWAR / 150. If you think that’s predictive and should be included, there’s no help for you.
Probably? I could see ‘maybe.’ Give the runners an extra base and one run scores. The Red Sox did end up scoring 2 the next inning.
Fallacy of the predetermined outcome. If the Rays get that run in, the entire complexion of the game is changed. Maybe Pivetta is rattled and gives up a two run bomb next. Maybe the Red Sox bring in Martin Perez. In terms of win expectancy, the Rays would be more likely to win the game than lose the game if that run scores.
Correct but you’re kind of proving Darren’s point. You’ve gone from using the term ‘probably’ to ‘maybe’. Who knows what would have happened but if the game played out exactly as it did, the Rays still would have lost. In my opinion, ‘probably not’ is more likely than ‘probably’ in this case.
I literally just said by WPA, the Rays would be favored. That’s not a probably. That’s a fact. The only factual thing you can say about those sequence of events.
I think you’re falling for a fallacy of your own. You can’t say with assurance that “the entire complexion” changes. It would have been the same Red Sox batters due up, possibly the same pitcher, possibly the same pitch sequence, possibly the same results, possibly different results. We just don’t know. I agree with you, steveo, that we can’t be too deterministic about it – we can’t simply alter that one play in the top of the 13th and presume the rest of the game would proceed as it did. But let’s not be too deterministic in the other direction either and use words like “probably” and “the entire complexion” when those are frankly unknown.
The entire complexion of the game doesn’t change if a team takes a lead in the top half of the last inning of the game? Lol alright man
The complexion of the game would change for sure, but not necessarily the “entire” complexion. We know the Sox hitters would be the same (so already not the entire complexion), and we have reason to believe Patino would still be the Rays’ pitcher, and his approach to the Sox batters would likely be extremely similar (for obvious reasons). I realize this is getting into picky semantic shit, so forgive me for sending us down the rabbit hole. Just thought it was odd that you argued against someone else’s glib faith in counterfactuals with a glib faith in your own counterfactual.
I know this is a logical fallacy, but say they let the rays score 1 on that play, they lose after the Sox’ 2 run HR anyway.
Pivetta pitches identically to Zunino whether the run has already scored or is on 3B, and he fanned Zunino on 4 pitches, exactly as he did in the 11th. So how does protecting a 1-run lead instead of pitching in tie game change the way Patino pitches in the bottom of the frame, to the extent that he records the save?
Since they, in fact, have an optimum strategy for him getting hitters out, the bottom of the inning very, very likely plays out identically. And the 2-run homer renders the bad break in the top of the inning moot.
Is there a rule against a fielder intentionally knocking a ball over the fence? That clearly isn’t what happened in this case, but the (un)lucky bounce got me wondering…
There is. It’s two bases from the time it touches the fielder (as opposed to two bases from the time of the pitch, when it isn’t deliberate).
Thanks for the answer!
Baseball rules are essentially divided into three areas, depending on what’s going on: Pitched balls, batted balls, and fielded balls. There are different rules for each. The dividing line between a batted ball and a fielded ball is a fielder “controlling” the ball (either catching it or directing it intentionally works). During a batted ball situation, any fair ball that leaves the field of play is a ground rule double, including if it deflects off a fielder. But if that fielder directs it intentionally or catches it, you’re instantly in “fielded ball” territory, and then such an act would be an error, and all runners would move up two bases from when it went out of play, same as a shortstop airmailing a first baseman.
From Jeff Passan’s twitter feed showing a screenshot of the MLB umpire manual, the defining point for the latter situation is that a fielder at some point has “complete possession of a batted or thrown ball” and then the ball subsequently goes out of play. That’s the situation where the runners move up two bases from when the ball went out of play.
Going by that language, it seems to open up the possibility of a fielder in a situation like Renfroe taking a swipe at the ball with his glove to send the ball out of the play. (That’s clearly not what Renfroe did on this particular play, where he misfielded the ball and it therefore bounced off his body.)
It would be a narrow set of circumstances where such an attempt might make sense. The fielder obviously needs to be close enough to the wall that a carom off his glove could send the ball over the wall. I think it only makes sense in a walk-off situation, because swiping the ball but not getting it out of play could allow the batter to score on a play where he otherwise wouldn’t do so.
I personally hate rules like this that require judgment of ‘intent’ because it leads to situations like questionable dropped line drives in the infield for double plays. The ball off a fielder should automatically score all runners if it is to be awarded a ground rule double. Regardless of intent!
Game 4 is going to be really, really interesting. Back to back bullpen games in the ALDS is not an easy thing to do, even for the Rays, and I don’t know what they’re gonna do to cover nine innings without exposing Wacha to the Red Sox lineup at least once. Also, goodness gracious Lowe and Zunino are struggling.
As far as the Sox go, I felt that Cora was again too eager to pull his best pitcher. Eovaldi should’ve come out for the 6th and gotten through it, and him not being allowed to do so exposed the softer parts of their bullpen. The Red Sox won this game in large part because Nick Pivetta decided to turn into Pedro Martínez for four innings. I’m assuming they’ll go with E-Rod for Game 4 and that Sale and Houck will both be available out of the pen. It’s gonna be such a mess for both teams.
I almost if I’m Cora save Houck today to have him start in potential game 5. Try to get thru it with E-Rod and Sale and then bullpen guys.
Yeah they’re planning on E-Rod in Game 4. It’s not ideal but he’s a veteran.
Wacha’s going to have to give the Rays two innings unless some of those Rays relievers have more in the tank than I thought.
One of the worst rules of many bad ones… Renfroe rewarded for a mistake. The sport is a joke– second base extra innings– but not in playoffs… pitch to at least three batters…DH/No DH–7 inning games… And this… Ridiculous
The three-batter rule is fine
Yeah. I mean we’re already averaging in the Red Sox/Rays series 12 pitchers per game. Imagine if they could have the 1 batter appearances.
Hard to call that a “mistake”. The ball hit him before he had a chance to react. No difference between what happened last night and a normal, bounce-off-the-track play. There are many ground rule doubles in baseball, and almost all are bad breaks for the hitting team. This isn’t uncommon.
Yeah, you can think the rule should be changed, but the umps unquestionably applied it right
Rany Jazayerli had what I thought was a good fix for this rule: the runner scores from first on ALL 2-out ground-rule doubles. There are certainly occasions when this would be unjust (picture, say, a line drive to left that bounces into the stands along the third base line – rarely would the runner score from first there, even if he was off with contact). But I think in MOST cases it would be better than the current rule.
Does this week’s version of JD Martinez get the three-base boost on a 2-out ground rule double? Many catchers might need to stop at third to catch their breath.
I’ve been advocating for that for years, and there’s a simple tweak to cover your concern: only balls that leave the playing field in fair territory score the runner. And yes, that was inspired by Tony Clark in 2004 against the Red Sox..
you can agree with the ruling but there is no way it was an unquestionable decision or application
the rule absolutely needs to be changed to award more bases
I know a lot of people hate Cora, and for justifiable reasons. That said, for this entire series he has thrown the kitchen sink at Tampa beginning with using Pivetta to keep the Sox in Game 1, and now they find themselves up 2-1 with a chance to clinch at home tonight against a team that is objectively better than them in every way.
People gripe about him pulling Eovaldi too early, but yanking Sale for Houck and pulling Whitlock for Pivetta were really smart moves that the Sox don’t win without.
Meh. The Rays had lots of hittable pitches that they missed on Pivetta. It wasn’t a masterclass or anything. They just missed hittable pitches in the zone, for the most part. He really just went to him because 1. he needed innings and 2. he’s not Martin Perez.
The Red Sox are a good team though, it’s not crazy to think they could beat a better team than them in a short series. They’ve probably got like a 45% chance to win each game. Probably higher than that today because of the Ray’s bullpen condition.
Of course, it is a Sox player who conveniently kicked the ball ‘accidentally’ over the fence.
I really think they should review the rule, and the application of the rule in deciding how many bases the runner can advance.
You think he did that on purpose – that he had the presence of mind to not only boot a weirdly-spinning carom over the wall while in motion but then also fake-leap after it to make it look accidental?
I want to live in that world where everyone has sinister motives and nothing is accidental…but alas, here we are.
in 2019 the rays’ tommy pham did the exact same thing against the jays, except it was far more arguable that it could be purposeful, and cash argued the runner shouldn’t score from 1st, and didn’t.
I felt bad for the Rays last night until I remembered their ownership is intent on suppressing player salaries across the league and acts like they are impoverished with the way their organization is run. Yeah the Red Sox claimed poverty for a hot minute too with the Mookie/Price trade, but the Rays take it to extremes.
The Rays really are playing with a bad hand, and so they really can’t run $100M payrolls regularly. But I don’t think they’ve ever topped $80M even once, and I sometimes wonder how much they’re messing with fan interest by being so overtly frugal. The A’s and Marlins alienated a lot of people by doing the same thing for quite a while and complaining loudly to everyone. The D-Backs and Clevelands pretty regularly whine about this stuff too, although I don’t know what the effect is. It’s one thing to be cheap, it’s another to make it quite so obvious or complain about it.
I just get the sense that in some cities, like Milwaukee or the Twin Cities (to say nothing of St. Louis), there’s just a much better fan support. Denver too, although that’s a bigger market. There are just some teams who have more love/hate fans than others and I don’t think that’s an accident.
and ridiculous abuse of the option process etc
It’ll be so nice next year that IL/Options for pitches go back to 15 days. And also only 13 pitchers max. That will help things out IMO somewhat.
Would have been a great game to be nationally televised!
I can’t believe MLB would air a postseason game on a network few people have or can even obtain. Why not allow MLBTV subscribers to access the game? Once again, true baseball fans lose out. MLB seems to not care.
Schwarber interfering with Arozarena on that double was huge too. He definitely would have been at 3b and I would have liked to see if they sent him for home. Probably not but man wtf. Plus the bad bad bad balls and strike calls.