Can the Oakland A’s Catch the ’62 Mets?

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Stan Szeto-USA TODAY Sports

From entertainment to finance to sports, every category of human endeavor has its own benchmark for incompetence. There are a lot of candidates to this title in MLB, but one of the most common invocations for ineptitude is the 1962 Mets. Sure, you can find better examples of hilarious failure in the 19th century, such as the Wilmington Quicksteps, who folded while warming up for a game in 1884 when attendance was zero, with the players having to find their own way home from Delaware. You can find teams that won fewer games, like the Cleveland Spiders. But 19th-century baseball was essentially one step above a traveling medicine show, and by the time the 1962 Mets came into existence, MLB was a thoroughly professional league which would be recognizable by today’s fans.

An expansion team that year, the Mets started off losing their first nine games. Things only got slightly better from there: they finished with 120 losses, the most in modern MLB history. Over 60 years later, the A’s, after a 10–38 start, seem poised to become the new true north of failure. Through the first 48 games (as of Sunday’s games), this year’s Oakland squad is actually two games behind (or ahead of, depending on your point of view) the ’62 Mets, who won 12 of their first 48 games.

In some ways, the A’s are already a sadder case than the Mets are. The Mets were an expansion team, hampered by very miserly rules for the expansion draft which left them (and the Houston Colt .45s) with long roads to putting talented players on the field. By all accounts, the team was trying to win, and fan interest was high relative to the performance, with a million fans putting New York in the middle of the pack, attendance-wise. The A’s, on the other hand, are desperately trying to move to Las Vegas or whatever other city without baseball is willing to throw a billion dollars their way and are averaging under 9,000 paying fans — not attending fans — per game. The Mets may have had one of the worst first basemen in the league in “Marvelous” Marv Throneberry, but at least media didn’t have to evacuate an area because of possum urine. Combine the possums with a few dozen cats and whatever else is lurking, and the WhateverItsCalledThisYear Coliseum may be best described as an open-air wildlife refuge that sometimes has baseball games.

But what are the odds that the A’s lose 120 games or even more by the end of the 2023 season? To get an idea, I fired up the ZiPS projection system to get the latest tales of woe from the AL West.

As you might guess, Oakland’s playoff probability has a lot of zeroes to the right of the decimal before you get to a crooked number:

ZiPS Projected Standings – AL West (5/22)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win%
Houston Astros 93 69 .574 58.3% 23.0% 81.3% 11.1%
Texas Rangers 88 74 5 .543 23.3% 31.1% 54.4% 2.8%
Seattle Mariners 84 78 9 .519 10.5% 22.9% 33.3% 2.4%
Los Angeles Angels 83 79 10 .512 7.9% 19.2% 27.1% 1.3%
Oakland A’s 53 109 40 .327 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

The other four teams in the AL West all have paths to the playoffs, and the median projection has the A’s finishing a healthy 30 games behind whatever team finishes in fourth place. But that’s only 109 losses, a far less successful failure than the Mets’ 120.

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Still, surely in these simulations, the A’s will lose 120 games sometimes. While 120-loss projections are generally not a thing in the preseason except on the long tail of the projected win curve, the A’s already being 10–38 gives them a better starting point than 0–0:

Worst 48-Game Starts Since 1901
Team Year W L Final Record
Boston Red Sox 1932 9 39 43-111
Oakland Athletics 2023 10 38 ?
Baltimore Orioles 1988 10 38 54-107
Kansas City Royals 2006 11 37 62-100
San Diego Padres 1987 11 37 65-97
Montreal Expos 1969 11 37 52-110
Pittsburgh Pirates 1952 11 37 42-112
Philadelphia Phillies 1945 11 37 46-108
Detroit Tigers 2003 12 36 43-119
Detroit Tigers 1996 12 36 53-109
Minnesota Twins 1982 12 36 60-102
Chicago Cubs 1981 10 36 38-65
Toronto Blue Jays 1979 12 36 53-109
New York Mets 1962 12 36 40-120
Detroit Tigers 1953 10 36 60-94
Cincinnati Reds 1934 12 36 52-99
Philadelphia Phillies 1928 12 36 43-109
Boston Rustlers 1911 12 36 44-107
Washington Senators 1904 9 36 38-113
Philadelphia Phillies 1904 11 36 52-100
Miami Marlins 2013 13 35 62-100
Kansas City Royals 2005 13 35 56-106
San Diego Padres 2003 13 35 64-98
Tampa Bay Devil Rays 2001 13 35 62-100
Oakland Athletics 1994 13 35 51-63
San Diego Padres 1971 13 35 61-100
St. Louis Browns 1949 13 35 53-101
SOURCE: Baseball-Reference

The 1932 Red Sox got off to an even worse start than the A’s, but Oakland ranks quite highly on this list, tying with the 1988 Orioles, who notoriously started the season with a 21-game losing streak, something that nine-year-old me was quite aware of at the time (and they almost won the division in the Why Not? season next year!). I’m impressed with the 1987 Padres, who actually approached .500 over the rest of the season, going 54–60 to finish out the year. Incidentally, the worst start by a playoff team was the 17–31 2005 Astros who got swept by the White Sox in the World Series.

To get Oakland’s probability of beating the Mets, I ran the ZiPS simulation 50 times overnight, generating 50 million seasons (I normally only do a million seasons, but I wanted to catch those very extreme rare seasons in this exercise). And yes, the A’s lost at least 120 games relatively frequently, going all the way from a microscopic 28(!) wins to actually finishing with a .500 record. A lot of weird things happen in 50 million years.

ZiPS Final Oakland A’s Win Projections
Wins Percentage
28 0.0%
29 0.0%
30 0.0%
31 0.0%
32 0.0%
33 0.0%
34 0.0%
35 0.1%
36 0.2%
37 0.3%
38 0.4%
39 0.6%
40 0.9%
41 1.2%
42 1.6%
43 2.0%
44 2.5%
45 3.0%
46 3.6%
47 4.1%
48 4.6%
49 5.0%
50 5.4%
51 5.7%
52 5.8%
53 5.9%
54 5.8%
55 5.6%
56 5.3%
57 4.9%
58 4.5%
59 4.0%
60 3.5%
61 3.0%
62 2.5%
63 2.1%
64 1.7%
65 1.3%
66 1.0%
67 0.8%
68 0.5%
69 0.4%
70 0.3%
71 0.2%
72 0.1%
73 0.1%
74 0.0%
75 0.0%
76 0.0%
77 0.0%
78 0.0%
79 0.0%
80 0.0%
81 0.0%

Oakland lost at least 120 games in 5.2% of simulations and more than 120 games 3.6% of the time. The Mets only played in 161 games and had a tie; if we call that a .250 winning percentage (rather than counting the tie as a half-win and half-loss), the A’s are overall more incompetent in 2.5% of the simulated seasons, or about one-in-40. Those are slim chances, but not shocking — about the likelihood of a 15-homer hitter knocking out one in any given at-bat. Nobody had their minds blown by Xander Bogaerts or Jurickson Profar homering last year.

But the A’s have a secret weapon: the trade deadline. ZiPS can only evaluate the roster as currently constructed, but there’s at least some chance that Oakland sheds a few of its desirable players in the next couple of months, making the roster even worse. The A’s are unlikely to move performing players who are cost-controlled for a long time, but even if Ramón Laureano or Jace Peterson or Tony Kemp aren’t playing particularly well, they’re players who project to have value over the last two-thirds of the season. If the A’s can shed two wins worth of talent, which is something they’ve definitely shown they’re capable of doing, then all of the sudden, they’re looking at about a one-in-10 shot at 120 losses.

Given the situation in Oakland, it’s unlikely that these A’s will ever become lovable losers, as the ’62 Mets have become in baseball culture. But they do have a realistic chance of catching them in the standings.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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NATS FanMember since 2018
3 years ago

cool analysis. It is a shame what Fisher did to that franchise. But, being a huge baseball fan now living in Vegas, I want them to move here with a team with potential. right now Noda, Rooker, Ruiz and a few others give me hope for them to be fairly decent in a few years.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

They’re obviously even worse than I thought. But no team could be as bad as they’ve looked so far.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

It is almost impossible to play as badly as the Athletics have played. They’re on pace for something like a -560 run differential. Those 1932 Red Sox played in fewer games but even so, they had the worst run differential in modern history and it was only -349. We have a chance to see greatness, and by “greatness” what I really mean is “horribleness”.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I mean, Tommy Lasorda once said that something great about baseball is that pretty much every team wins a third of their games and loses a third of their games. And so when a team dramatically departs from that in either direction it’s definitely worth talking about.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Fangraphs puts replacement level at 47.667 wins and 114.333 loses, which is winning less than a third, but well above the hypothetical 41-121 that beats out the ’62 Mets for losses.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

Yeah, the only three teams have won fewer than 48 games in a 162-game season are the 2019 Tigers, 2018 Orioles, and 2003 Tigers. And the first two of those had exactly 47 wins, so they were running out essentially a replacement-level baseball team. To run out a below-replacement baseball team takes some major effort.

The flip side of that would be a team that had 114 wins. In terms of 162-game seasons, I think the only two teams that fit that description are the 1998 Yankees and 2001 Mariners.

These are even more extreme than the 1/3rd-rule I mentioned before, which would be at 54 and 108 wins.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Welp, went to one of their games against the Royals and I can assure you some teams can be worse…

Lanidrac
3 years ago

Maybe the 1962 Mets, but they’ll never beat the 1899 Spiders, which was only possible due to ownership trickery that’s no longer legal.

Last edited 3 years ago by Lanidrac
dl80Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Almost the same idea, just instead of trading all the good players to himself, they were traded to other teams (or soon will be).

cwood41
3 years ago

Super fun article. I’d love to see a followup sim addressing your points about the trade deadline- maybe assuming that Laureano, Kemp, Peterson, May, Diaz, etc. all do NOT play past August 1. Their replacements- especially on the pitching side- are SLIM.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cwood41

I think there are a number of players, like May and Kemp, who the projections like (relatively speaking) but are playing badly enough that if they’re potentially getting DFA’d. I would definitely read an article seeing what happens without them.

Laureano’s the one guy I could see sticking around unless he starts hitting better; he’s pretty cheap.

cwood41
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree. May, with the well documented anxiety issues, could well rebound. Laureano is a plus plus RF who can play CF and has some pop- he will be worth something to a contender for sure. He’s gone unless hurt/suspended, IMO.

downbaddav
3 years ago

where would they be without rooker right now? over 40 losses?

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  downbaddav

Rooker’s earned 1.4 WAR to date. He’s not moved the needle THAT much

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Disagree… you assume the A’s have someone replacement level that would be in there. The delta of what they have is more than 2 wins. It’s been BAD.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  downbaddav

Ruiz has been fun too. Get him on and turn him loose

cwood41
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

But he’s been the worst defensive player in baseball not named Acuna this year. So he’s giving it right back 🙁

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cwood41

By OAA, the worst defenders are Amed Rosario, CJ Abrams, and Ozzie Albies. For outfielders, it’s Acuna, Profar, Kyle Tucker, and Lane Thomas. So I’m pretty skeptical he’s been that bad.

I am also really skeptical that Ruiz is going to be this good going forward. He’s probably not getting hit at this rate going forward, his batted ball data is iffy, and if they decide they need to move him off CF and into LF and he’s still that bad…any of those things could knock him into 4th OF territory. But the fact is, he’s posting an above average OBP (60 out of 168 qualified batters) and he’s on pace to probably steal 75 bases (and only get caught 9 times). That’s pretty good!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

I’m super excited whenever a team plays so badly we might see something historic. Like the Reds last year and the D-Backs before that. So I am absolutely glued to the box score for every A’s game now.

For me, the “gold standard” of truly terrible teams was the 2003 Tigers. Expansion teams at least have an excuse, but that Tigers team was abysmal. They had only 3 players with more than 1 fWAR. I have been waiting for a team to definitively beat them for at least a decade now, and I think this team has a real shot. They’ve got the perfect storm of washed up veterans and Quad A types to put up below replacement performance all over. And the pitching is shockingly bad.

ZiPS has been high on the A’s all along—remember they were projected for 70 wins before the season! So I’m very hopeful that we have a better than that 6% chance or whatever it is for them to come in south of 43 wins. All that has to happen is they have to keep doing what they’re doing already, which is super hard, but maybe if Rooker and Noda cool off it is possible anyway.

CTA
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agree – looking at the A’s rigth now the odds provided in the article definitely feel low. Average outlook would be 43-71 or a 61 win pace over the whole season. That feels too high by at least 5 wins.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

(un?)fortunately, regression tends to work both ways. The A’s are a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad baseball team…who have nonetheless been underperforming even the meagre expectations anyone might have had for them. Over the course of the next 110 games their luck will likely turn, however. Another Rooker will emerge. Someone will get DFAed and a MiLB callup will play with some competence. So on, and so forth. A win total in the mid-50s seems ultimately likely. As much as we’d all love the story otherwise.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago

I’m actually curious: how much projected value does Tony Kemp have (he’s at -0.9 WAR already) over the rest of the season?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I would guess ZiPS projects him to provide approximately enough value to be replacement level over the whole season. He was a useful player as recently as last year and he has had some bad batted ball luck.

Sleepy
3 years ago

And only three years removed from (the equivalent of) three consecutive 97-win seasons.

Sell the team, John.

Mean Mr. Mustard
3 years ago

If they do continue to perform this poorly, they actually will have cultural cachet like the ’62 Mets; it’ll just be the negative variety.

There have been plenty of miserly owners in baseball over the years, but this iteration is truly a cautionary tale of what happens when it goes too far.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

The craziest part of this is that a lot of the reason they are in this hole is because the veterans who make any money at all are either playing well below expectations (Laureano, Peterson) or have been super bad (Aledmys Diaz, Tony Kemp). The best parts of the team have come from guys like Rooker and Noda, guys who they more or less got for free and are playing for nothing.

Mean Mr. Mustard
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Which has seemingly been the only way they’ve found *any* success for the last several….I don’t even know how long. The young guys do the rowing while the vets seem to not know whether to hoist or batten the sails. Or if they do know, they’re obviously valuable and thus traded for a keg of limes to keep this weird voyage going.

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
3 years ago

I think they could top 120 losses. Especially if they trade Brent Rooker plus others, really strip it down to whatever’s behind the drywall and then hope the AAA kids playing at MLB-level don’t outperform expectations. Go history! Would love to see it

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago

I had the pleasure(???) of attending several of the games played at the historic Polo Grounds during that wonderful 1962 season. Why was it wonderful you might ask, after all the Mets went 40-120, but there was a truly, truly great reason, the National league was back in New York!! Dodger fans and Giants fans eagerly jumped on board to “Meet the Mets, Meet the Mets, Step Right Up and Greet the Mets. Bring Your Kiddies, Bring Your Wife; Guaranteed to Have the Time of Your Life”. It was the perfect juxtaposition when played off against that other team in town and that tension between the fan bases has never ceased to exist. Is it really 61 years ago?

Last edited 3 years ago by bosoxforlife
sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 years ago

Go to the 2023 A’s bbref page and look at the Game Results graph. It’s incredible (in that it strains credulity that a team could be this bad). 2023 Oakland Athletics Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

That’s art right there. Hang it in the Louvre!

The worst run differential in MLB history is the 1932 Red Sox, at -349 runs. They played slightly fewer games than MLB does today, but even so, at this rate the Athletics will cross that threshold at game #97.

They won’t actually do it at game #97 because the worst culprit is their pitching, and they’ve DFA’d / demoted / reduced the role of several of the worst offenders. But just looking at this retrospectively, this is what happens when your best pitchers are (1) a rookie currently out with a UCL sprain, (2) a reliever who walks a batter every other inning, (3) a guy who has a 75% fly ball rate and a league-average HR/FB rate.

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
3 years ago

How the heck are they going to find 2 wins to shed?

I was young at the time, and the mid-90s collapse hurt. I was in my teens and didn’t understand the economics of why trading Canseco at that point was prudent…. but the bottom came off quickly.

This one is so much worse. The ownership has had YEARS to right this, but has drug the fans through the mud, and managed to be competitive until now. I feel bad for the young players. Not much support, grinding through a lost COVID year and having to shovel for this hack Fisher, a wannabe Rachel Phelps. I’ll always love the A’s, but now I know what Redskins fans went through for 25 years with Snyder. MLB isn’t exactly our friend either, but other small budget clubs are figuring this out.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago

Even the 1930 Phillies who managed to go 52-102 despite having Chuck Klein put up a line of .386/40/170, have Lefty O’Doul follow him with a .383 average and hit .315 as a team for the season had an ERA of 6.71. The 1962 Mets aren’t even close at a paltry 5.04. The A’s, now past the 1/4 mark are posting an astounding 7.02. Numbers that are this aberrant really do require explanation and the answer is that the A’s appear to have the worst pitching in history. Roger Craig and Alvin Jackson were actually major league quality pitchers and I don’t see any similar experienced pitchers in Oakland. 40 wins, maybe, but it looks like an uphill crawl.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 years ago

You know how people talk about trades that work out for both teams? The Yankees/A’s Montas deal is the exact opposite of that:

  • Montas was terrible (6.35 ERA in 8 starts) and has been hurt since.
  • Trivino was really good for 21.2 IP last year but just got TJ’d.
  • The A’s have collectively gotten 21 starts out of the three pitchers they got to the tune of -0.7 bWAR (Sears 0.4, Medina -0.3, Waldichuk -0.8)
  • Cooper Bowman is hitting .214/.338/.376 in AA.