Can the Oakland A’s Catch the ’62 Mets?

From entertainment to finance to sports, every category of human endeavor has its own benchmark for incompetence. There are a lot of candidates to this title in MLB, but one of the most common invocations for ineptitude is the 1962 Mets. Sure, you can find better examples of hilarious failure in the 19th century, such as the Wilmington Quicksteps, who folded while warming up for a game in 1884 when attendance was zero, with the players having to find their own way home from Delaware. You can find teams that won fewer games, like the Cleveland Spiders. But 19th-century baseball was essentially one step above a traveling medicine show, and by the time the 1962 Mets came into existence, MLB was a thoroughly professional league which would be recognizable by today’s fans.
An expansion team that year, the Mets started off losing their first nine games. Things only got slightly better from there: they finished with 120 losses, the most in modern MLB history. Over 60 years later, the A’s, after a 10–38 start, seem poised to become the new true north of failure. Through the first 48 games (as of Sunday’s games), this year’s Oakland squad is actually two games behind (or ahead of, depending on your point of view) the ’62 Mets, who won 12 of their first 48 games.
In some ways, the A’s are already a sadder case than the Mets are. The Mets were an expansion team, hampered by very miserly rules for the expansion draft which left them (and the Houston Colt .45s) with long roads to putting talented players on the field. By all accounts, the team was trying to win, and fan interest was high relative to the performance, with a million fans putting New York in the middle of the pack, attendance-wise. The A’s, on the other hand, are desperately trying to move to Las Vegas or whatever other city without baseball is willing to throw a billion dollars their way and are averaging under 9,000 paying fans — not attending fans — per game. The Mets may have had one of the worst first basemen in the league in “Marvelous” Marv Throneberry, but at least media didn’t have to evacuate an area because of possum urine. Combine the possums with a few dozen cats and whatever else is lurking, and the WhateverItsCalledThisYear Coliseum may be best described as an open-air wildlife refuge that sometimes has baseball games.
But what are the odds that the A’s lose 120 games or even more by the end of the 2023 season? To get an idea, I fired up the ZiPS projection system to get the latest tales of woe from the AL West.
As you might guess, Oakland’s playoff probability has a lot of zeroes to the right of the decimal before you get to a crooked number:
| Team | W | L | GB | Pct | Div% | WC% | Playoff% | WS Win% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Houston Astros | 93 | 69 | — | .574 | 58.3% | 23.0% | 81.3% | 11.1% |
| Texas Rangers | 88 | 74 | 5 | .543 | 23.3% | 31.1% | 54.4% | 2.8% |
| Seattle Mariners | 84 | 78 | 9 | .519 | 10.5% | 22.9% | 33.3% | 2.4% |
| Los Angeles Angels | 83 | 79 | 10 | .512 | 7.9% | 19.2% | 27.1% | 1.3% |
| Oakland A’s | 53 | 109 | 40 | .327 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
The other four teams in the AL West all have paths to the playoffs, and the median projection has the A’s finishing a healthy 30 games behind whatever team finishes in fourth place. But that’s only 109 losses, a far less successful failure than the Mets’ 120.
Still, surely in these simulations, the A’s will lose 120 games sometimes. While 120-loss projections are generally not a thing in the preseason except on the long tail of the projected win curve, the A’s already being 10–38 gives them a better starting point than 0–0:
| Team | Year | W | L | Final Record |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Boston Red Sox | 1932 | 9 | 39 | 43-111 |
| Oakland Athletics | 2023 | 10 | 38 | ? |
| Baltimore Orioles | 1988 | 10 | 38 | 54-107 |
| Kansas City Royals | 2006 | 11 | 37 | 62-100 |
| San Diego Padres | 1987 | 11 | 37 | 65-97 |
| Montreal Expos | 1969 | 11 | 37 | 52-110 |
| Pittsburgh Pirates | 1952 | 11 | 37 | 42-112 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 1945 | 11 | 37 | 46-108 |
| Detroit Tigers | 2003 | 12 | 36 | 43-119 |
| Detroit Tigers | 1996 | 12 | 36 | 53-109 |
| Minnesota Twins | 1982 | 12 | 36 | 60-102 |
| Chicago Cubs | 1981 | 10 | 36 | 38-65 |
| Toronto Blue Jays | 1979 | 12 | 36 | 53-109 |
| New York Mets | 1962 | 12 | 36 | 40-120 |
| Detroit Tigers | 1953 | 10 | 36 | 60-94 |
| Cincinnati Reds | 1934 | 12 | 36 | 52-99 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 1928 | 12 | 36 | 43-109 |
| Boston Rustlers | 1911 | 12 | 36 | 44-107 |
| Washington Senators | 1904 | 9 | 36 | 38-113 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 1904 | 11 | 36 | 52-100 |
| Miami Marlins | 2013 | 13 | 35 | 62-100 |
| Kansas City Royals | 2005 | 13 | 35 | 56-106 |
| San Diego Padres | 2003 | 13 | 35 | 64-98 |
| Tampa Bay Devil Rays | 2001 | 13 | 35 | 62-100 |
| Oakland Athletics | 1994 | 13 | 35 | 51-63 |
| San Diego Padres | 1971 | 13 | 35 | 61-100 |
| St. Louis Browns | 1949 | 13 | 35 | 53-101 |
The 1932 Red Sox got off to an even worse start than the A’s, but Oakland ranks quite highly on this list, tying with the 1988 Orioles, who notoriously started the season with a 21-game losing streak, something that nine-year-old me was quite aware of at the time (and they almost won the division in the Why Not? season next year!). I’m impressed with the 1987 Padres, who actually approached .500 over the rest of the season, going 54–60 to finish out the year. Incidentally, the worst start by a playoff team was the 17–31 2005 Astros who got swept by the White Sox in the World Series.
To get Oakland’s probability of beating the Mets, I ran the ZiPS simulation 50 times overnight, generating 50 million seasons (I normally only do a million seasons, but I wanted to catch those very extreme rare seasons in this exercise). And yes, the A’s lost at least 120 games relatively frequently, going all the way from a microscopic 28(!) wins to actually finishing with a .500 record. A lot of weird things happen in 50 million years.
| Wins | Percentage |
|---|---|
| 28 | 0.0% |
| 29 | 0.0% |
| 30 | 0.0% |
| 31 | 0.0% |
| 32 | 0.0% |
| 33 | 0.0% |
| 34 | 0.0% |
| 35 | 0.1% |
| 36 | 0.2% |
| 37 | 0.3% |
| 38 | 0.4% |
| 39 | 0.6% |
| 40 | 0.9% |
| 41 | 1.2% |
| 42 | 1.6% |
| 43 | 2.0% |
| 44 | 2.5% |
| 45 | 3.0% |
| 46 | 3.6% |
| 47 | 4.1% |
| 48 | 4.6% |
| 49 | 5.0% |
| 50 | 5.4% |
| 51 | 5.7% |
| 52 | 5.8% |
| 53 | 5.9% |
| 54 | 5.8% |
| 55 | 5.6% |
| 56 | 5.3% |
| 57 | 4.9% |
| 58 | 4.5% |
| 59 | 4.0% |
| 60 | 3.5% |
| 61 | 3.0% |
| 62 | 2.5% |
| 63 | 2.1% |
| 64 | 1.7% |
| 65 | 1.3% |
| 66 | 1.0% |
| 67 | 0.8% |
| 68 | 0.5% |
| 69 | 0.4% |
| 70 | 0.3% |
| 71 | 0.2% |
| 72 | 0.1% |
| 73 | 0.1% |
| 74 | 0.0% |
| 75 | 0.0% |
| 76 | 0.0% |
| 77 | 0.0% |
| 78 | 0.0% |
| 79 | 0.0% |
| 80 | 0.0% |
| 81 | 0.0% |
Oakland lost at least 120 games in 5.2% of simulations and more than 120 games 3.6% of the time. The Mets only played in 161 games and had a tie; if we call that a .250 winning percentage (rather than counting the tie as a half-win and half-loss), the A’s are overall more incompetent in 2.5% of the simulated seasons, or about one-in-40. Those are slim chances, but not shocking — about the likelihood of a 15-homer hitter knocking out one in any given at-bat. Nobody had their minds blown by Xander Bogaerts or Jurickson Profar homering last year.
But the A’s have a secret weapon: the trade deadline. ZiPS can only evaluate the roster as currently constructed, but there’s at least some chance that Oakland sheds a few of its desirable players in the next couple of months, making the roster even worse. The A’s are unlikely to move performing players who are cost-controlled for a long time, but even if Ramón Laureano or Jace Peterson or Tony Kemp aren’t playing particularly well, they’re players who project to have value over the last two-thirds of the season. If the A’s can shed two wins worth of talent, which is something they’ve definitely shown they’re capable of doing, then all of the sudden, they’re looking at about a one-in-10 shot at 120 losses.
Given the situation in Oakland, it’s unlikely that these A’s will ever become lovable losers, as the ’62 Mets have become in baseball culture. But they do have a realistic chance of catching them in the standings.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
cool analysis. It is a shame what Fisher did to that franchise. But, being a huge baseball fan now living in Vegas, I want them to move here with a team with potential. right now Noda, Rooker, Ruiz and a few others give me hope for them to be fairly decent in a few years.
They’re obviously even worse than I thought. But no team could be as bad as they’ve looked so far.
It is almost impossible to play as badly as the Athletics have played. They’re on pace for something like a -560 run differential. Those 1932 Red Sox played in fewer games but even so, they had the worst run differential in modern history and it was only -349. We have a chance to see greatness, and by “greatness” what I really mean is “horribleness”.
I mean, Tommy Lasorda once said that something great about baseball is that pretty much every team wins a third of their games and loses a third of their games. And so when a team dramatically departs from that in either direction it’s definitely worth talking about.
Fangraphs puts replacement level at 47.667 wins and 114.333 loses, which is winning less than a third, but well above the hypothetical 41-121 that beats out the ’62 Mets for losses.
Yeah, the only three teams have won fewer than 48 games in a 162-game season are the 2019 Tigers, 2018 Orioles, and 2003 Tigers. And the first two of those had exactly 47 wins, so they were running out essentially a replacement-level baseball team. To run out a below-replacement baseball team takes some major effort.
The flip side of that would be a team that had 114 wins. In terms of 162-game seasons, I think the only two teams that fit that description are the 1998 Yankees and 2001 Mariners.
These are even more extreme than the 1/3rd-rule I mentioned before, which would be at 54 and 108 wins.
Welp, went to one of their games against the Royals and I can assure you some teams can be worse…
Maybe the 1962 Mets, but they’ll never beat the 1899 Spiders, which was only possible due to ownership trickery that’s no longer legal.
Almost the same idea, just instead of trading all the good players to himself, they were traded to other teams (or soon will be).
Super fun article. I’d love to see a followup sim addressing your points about the trade deadline- maybe assuming that Laureano, Kemp, Peterson, May, Diaz, etc. all do NOT play past August 1. Their replacements- especially on the pitching side- are SLIM.
I think there are a number of players, like May and Kemp, who the projections like (relatively speaking) but are playing badly enough that if they’re potentially getting DFA’d. I would definitely read an article seeing what happens without them.
Laureano’s the one guy I could see sticking around unless he starts hitting better; he’s pretty cheap.
I agree. May, with the well documented anxiety issues, could well rebound. Laureano is a plus plus RF who can play CF and has some pop- he will be worth something to a contender for sure. He’s gone unless hurt/suspended, IMO.
where would they be without rooker right now? over 40 losses?
Rooker’s earned 1.4 WAR to date. He’s not moved the needle THAT much
Disagree… you assume the A’s have someone replacement level that would be in there. The delta of what they have is more than 2 wins. It’s been BAD.
Ruiz has been fun too. Get him on and turn him loose
But he’s been the worst defensive player in baseball not named Acuna this year. So he’s giving it right back 🙁
By OAA, the worst defenders are Amed Rosario, CJ Abrams, and Ozzie Albies. For outfielders, it’s Acuna, Profar, Kyle Tucker, and Lane Thomas. So I’m pretty skeptical he’s been that bad.
I am also really skeptical that Ruiz is going to be this good going forward. He’s probably not getting hit at this rate going forward, his batted ball data is iffy, and if they decide they need to move him off CF and into LF and he’s still that bad…any of those things could knock him into 4th OF territory. But the fact is, he’s posting an above average OBP (60 out of 168 qualified batters) and he’s on pace to probably steal 75 bases (and only get caught 9 times). That’s pretty good!
I’m super excited whenever a team plays so badly we might see something historic. Like the Reds last year and the D-Backs before that. So I am absolutely glued to the box score for every A’s game now.
For me, the “gold standard” of truly terrible teams was the 2003 Tigers. Expansion teams at least have an excuse, but that Tigers team was abysmal. They had only 3 players with more than 1 fWAR. I have been waiting for a team to definitively beat them for at least a decade now, and I think this team has a real shot. They’ve got the perfect storm of washed up veterans and Quad A types to put up below replacement performance all over. And the pitching is shockingly bad.
ZiPS has been high on the A’s all along—remember they were projected for 70 wins before the season! So I’m very hopeful that we have a better than that 6% chance or whatever it is for them to come in south of 43 wins. All that has to happen is they have to keep doing what they’re doing already, which is super hard, but maybe if Rooker and Noda cool off it is possible anyway.
Agree – looking at the A’s rigth now the odds provided in the article definitely feel low. Average outlook would be 43-71 or a 61 win pace over the whole season. That feels too high by at least 5 wins.
(un?)fortunately, regression tends to work both ways. The A’s are a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad baseball team…who have nonetheless been underperforming even the meagre expectations anyone might have had for them. Over the course of the next 110 games their luck will likely turn, however. Another Rooker will emerge. Someone will get DFAed and a MiLB callup will play with some competence. So on, and so forth. A win total in the mid-50s seems ultimately likely. As much as we’d all love the story otherwise.
I’m actually curious: how much projected value does Tony Kemp have (he’s at -0.9 WAR already) over the rest of the season?
I would guess ZiPS projects him to provide approximately enough value to be replacement level over the whole season. He was a useful player as recently as last year and he has had some bad batted ball luck.
And only three years removed from (the equivalent of) three consecutive 97-win seasons.
Sell the team, John.
If they do continue to perform this poorly, they actually will have cultural cachet like the ’62 Mets; it’ll just be the negative variety.
There have been plenty of miserly owners in baseball over the years, but this iteration is truly a cautionary tale of what happens when it goes too far.
The craziest part of this is that a lot of the reason they are in this hole is because the veterans who make any money at all are either playing well below expectations (Laureano, Peterson) or have been super bad (Aledmys Diaz, Tony Kemp). The best parts of the team have come from guys like Rooker and Noda, guys who they more or less got for free and are playing for nothing.
Which has seemingly been the only way they’ve found *any* success for the last several….I don’t even know how long. The young guys do the rowing while the vets seem to not know whether to hoist or batten the sails. Or if they do know, they’re obviously valuable and thus traded for a keg of limes to keep this weird voyage going.
I think they could top 120 losses. Especially if they trade Brent Rooker plus others, really strip it down to whatever’s behind the drywall and then hope the AAA kids playing at MLB-level don’t outperform expectations. Go history! Would love to see it
I had the pleasure(???) of attending several of the games played at the historic Polo Grounds during that wonderful 1962 season. Why was it wonderful you might ask, after all the Mets went 40-120, but there was a truly, truly great reason, the National league was back in New York!! Dodger fans and Giants fans eagerly jumped on board to “Meet the Mets, Meet the Mets, Step Right Up and Greet the Mets. Bring Your Kiddies, Bring Your Wife; Guaranteed to Have the Time of Your Life”. It was the perfect juxtaposition when played off against that other team in town and that tension between the fan bases has never ceased to exist. Is it really 61 years ago?
Go to the 2023 A’s bbref page and look at the Game Results graph. It’s incredible (in that it strains credulity that a team could be this bad). 2023 Oakland Athletics Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com
That’s art right there. Hang it in the Louvre!
The worst run differential in MLB history is the 1932 Red Sox, at -349 runs. They played slightly fewer games than MLB does today, but even so, at this rate the Athletics will cross that threshold at game #97.
They won’t actually do it at game #97 because the worst culprit is their pitching, and they’ve DFA’d / demoted / reduced the role of several of the worst offenders. But just looking at this retrospectively, this is what happens when your best pitchers are (1) a rookie currently out with a UCL sprain, (2) a reliever who walks a batter every other inning, (3) a guy who has a 75% fly ball rate and a league-average HR/FB rate.
How the heck are they going to find 2 wins to shed?
I was young at the time, and the mid-90s collapse hurt. I was in my teens and didn’t understand the economics of why trading Canseco at that point was prudent…. but the bottom came off quickly.
This one is so much worse. The ownership has had YEARS to right this, but has drug the fans through the mud, and managed to be competitive until now. I feel bad for the young players. Not much support, grinding through a lost COVID year and having to shovel for this hack Fisher, a wannabe Rachel Phelps. I’ll always love the A’s, but now I know what Redskins fans went through for 25 years with Snyder. MLB isn’t exactly our friend either, but other small budget clubs are figuring this out.
You know how people talk about trades that work out for both teams? The Yankees/A’s Montas deal is the exact opposite of that: