Can Wil Myers Lead the Padres Offense?
Wil Myers has filled a few roles in his short time in the public eye. He has been a top prospect. Then the top prospect. Then one of the biggest trade chips in the game. Then Rookie of the Year. And then he was traded again, and filled the role of afterthought. But now, as we look to 2016, can he fill another one — that of team leader?
No one is suggesting of course that Myers fill an actual leadership role on the Padres. They have veteran players like James Shields, Matt Kemp and Melvin Upton to give motivational speeches. (And you don’t come here to read those kinds of stories anyway.) But when looking over the Padres depth chart, one notices that Myers has the best wOBA projection of the bunch.
ALL Batters Padres
| Name | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | Bat | BsR | Fld | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Derek Norris | 438 | .244 | .315 | .395 | .311 | -0.1 | 0.1 | -0.5 | 2.0 |
| Cory Spangenberg | 504 | .260 | .310 | .384 | .301 | -4.0 | 0.7 | 0.1 | 1.5 |
| Yangervis Solarte | 511 | .261 | .315 | .385 | .306 | -1.9 | -0.8 | -3.1 | 1.3 |
| Wil Myers | 609 | .258 | .330 | .433 | .330 | 9.0 | 0.7 | -6.2 | 1.3 |
| Matt Kemp | 590 | .265 | .321 | .436 | .327 | 7.4 | -0.3 | -9.9 | 1.0 |
| Jon Jay | 455 | .259 | .333 | .347 | .299 | -4.3 | -0.2 | 1.6 | 0.9 |
| Alexei Ramirez | 623 | .255 | .287 | .358 | .281 | -15.2 | 0.1 | -3.1 | 0.8 |
| Jose Pirela | 308 | .257 | .305 | .377 | .298 | -3.2 | 0.1 | -1.7 | 0.6 |
| Melvin Upton | 455 | .214 | .287 | .355 | .281 | -11.0 | 0.9 | 0.4 | 0.5 |
| Brett Wallace | 237 | .246 | .305 | .403 | .308 | -0.7 | -0.5 | -0.8 | 0.5 |
| Jabari Blash | 280 | .223 | .298 | .416 | .311 | 0.0 | -0.1 | -1.2 | 0.5 |
| Christian Bethancourt | 128 | .248 | .276 | .368 | .278 | -3.4 | 0.0 | 0.5 | 0.4 |
| Austin Hedges | 160 | .220 | .262 | .328 | .258 | -6.8 | -0.1 | 1.7 | 0.3 |
| Alex Dickerson | 194 | .248 | .298 | .391 | .299 | -1.8 | 0.0 | -0.3 | 0.3 |
| Travis Jankowski | 91 | .250 | .303 | .329 | .280 | -2.3 | 0.3 | 0.6 | 0.2 |
| Manuel Margot | 14 | .246 | .290 | .367 | .286 | -0.3 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 0.0 |
| Alexi Amarista | 236 | .234 | .283 | .338 | .270 | -7.8 | 0.6 | -0.7 | 0.0 |
| Jose Rondon | 14 | .241 | .282 | .315 | .263 | -0.5 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 0.0 |
| Total | 5847 | .249 | .307 | .385 | .301 | -47.2 | 1.5 | -22.5 | 12.1 |
The edge over Kemp is ever so slight, but it’s still there, and for the 99% of us who aren’t die-hard Padres fans, that may come as a bit of a surprise. After all, the die has seemingly been cast on Myers. Where once we were very quick to proclaim the decision by Kansas City to send Myers to Tampa Bay a disaster, now we are often quick to declare it a win for the Royals. After all, they went to back-to-back World Series, and are now defending the crown. The fact that Myers was quickly shipped out of town by Tampa Bay — in a trade where they didn’t receive a ton in return for him — only increases the sense that KC won after all.
Deciding who won or who lost either trade is sort of immaterial to the here and now, of course. Myers is still just entering his age-25 season, and he was actually a pretty good hitter last season. He was the second-best hitter by wRC+ among Padres regulars, and with the best hitter — Justin Upton — off to greener pastures, Myers is left at the top of the heap.
Myers’ 116 wRC+ wasn’t special by any stretch, nor was it abhorrent. Among the 352 players who logged 200 or more plate appearances last season, Myers ranked 92nd — just after Robinson Cano and Albert Pujols, and just ahead of Kyle Seager and Dustin Pedroia. Those are all good players, and all four of them tallied at least two wins last season. Myers meanwhile tallied only 0.6 WAR. There were two reasons for this.
One reason: his poor defense. His play in center graded out poorly. Both his range and throwing arm rated below average, and by the end of the season he was manning first base. The plan is for him to man first base full-time this season. It makes Myers relatively unique to be switching to first base from the outfield at such a young age.
Consider this table of other players who’ve made that move:
| Player | OF Innings, Through Age 24 | 1B Innings, Age 25-30 |
| Cesar Cedeno | 7,070.0 | 1,164.7 |
| Lee Mazzilli | 3,979.0 | 1,141.7 |
| Frank Robinson | 3,912.0 | 669.3 |
| Reggie Smith | 3,881.3 | 544.7 |
| Jack Clark | 3,670.7 | 1,086.3 |
| Carlos May | 3,540.7 | 577.0 |
| Boog Powell | 3,429.7 | 6,979.0 |
| Miguel Cabrera | 2,946.7 | 5,129.3 |
| Curt Blefary | 2,865.7 | 1,511.0 |
| Willie Montanez | 2,560.0 | 7,377.3 |
| Johnny Briggs | 2,407.7 | 698.3 |
| Albert Pujols | 2,393.7 | 7,900.0 |
| Adam Dunn | 2,388.0 | 995.0 |
| Oddibe McDowell | 2,073.0 | 7,612.7 |
| Mike Marshall | 1,961.7 | 913.7 |
| Ed Kirkpatrick | 1,818.3 | 638.7 |
| Orlando Cepeda | 1,751.0 | 6,371.0 |
| Bill Buckner | 1,725.0 | 3,013.7 |
| Wil Myers | 1,660.2 | N/A |
The list is even shorter than this, if you think of it in terms of who became full-time first basemen. Reggie Smith for instance, never became a full-time first baseman. Either way, it’s not a long list. Outfielders usually stay outfielders, at least until they’re a little older. But given Myers’ lack of range last season, the Padres have to be applauded for looking for unconventional solutions, especially if it frees him up to focus on his offense.
The second reason Myers only managed 0.6 WAR last season is that, once again, he dealt with wrist problems, and missed a whole bunch of games. He finally had surgery to correct it, and is confident he’s on the road to bigger and better things. But don’t take my word for it. Here’s what he told Dennis Lin at the San Diego Union-Tribune last month:
“With the talent level I have, I think I’ll be able to put together a lot of great at-bats in 600 plate appearances.”
So, yeah, definitely not lacking for confidence. But the fact remains that Myers has not yet tallied 400 PAs in a single season. You can’t really blame him for 2013, since the Rays didn’t call him up right away, but the last two years are a different story. The jury will remain out on Myers and his wrist until he shows he can do it, but if he can, there is a lot to look forward to.
Myers upped his walk rate and lowered his strikeout rate last season. His Speed Score also improved last season. That didn’t translate into more stolen bases, but it’s a notable improvement nonetheless. He got better against curveballs. He swung at fewer pitches outside of the strike zone, and made better contact overall. Perhaps some of that is a byproduct of moving from the AL East to the NL West, but that’s his reality now, and there’s no automatic rule that says that just because you’re playing against weaker competition that you will automatically do better.
Wil Myers has filled a lot of roles in his brief professional baseball career. Now he is tasked with filling the role of the most talented hitter on a flawed San Diego Padres team. Whether he can fulfill this role for the majority/entirety of the 2016 season will go a long way to determining if the Padres can make some noise.
Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.
No? Matt Kemp is still the premier run-producer in that offense. RBIs don’t lie.
The least funny shtick on the whole internet. Down votes don’t lie.
And jet fuel can’t melt steel beams!!!
? Matt Kemp is always the first manufacturer to change and insults. Iknai RBIS.
Thank you for all you do.
Myers is a great late-round flyer in a shallow league. There’s a chance he bats cleanup and hits .265 27hr/12sb…or he could stink/get hurt and be dropped.
Obviously, he’ll only be deemed as a success if he logs 100 rbi this year…
I have Myers in an online APBA league and as much as I would love to see 27 HRs, that ain’t happening.
Harper didn’t drive in 100 runs last year, was he a success?
“But given Myers’ lack of range last season, the Padres have to be applauded for looking for unconventional solutions, especially if it frees him up to focus on his offense.”
I know 99% of us aren’t die-hard Padres fans or anything, but the way this is portrayed really paints a different picture than what happened. Myers was clearly not a center fielder, and the only reason his metrics last year were so awful was that the Padres decided the “unconventional solution” to having three starting RHH corner outfielders on the same roster (two of whom are below average defensively) was to declare the almost-competent fielder a center fielder.
“Can Wil Myers lead the Padres offense?”
If the destination is Disappointment Town, you bet!
“The fact that Myers was quickly shipped out of town by Tampa Bay — in a trade where they didn’t receive a ton in return for him — only increases the sense that KC won after all.”
The Rays-Pads side of that deal was Myers, Hanigan, and a couple of pitchers that were at best 40 FV prospects for Trea Turner, Joe Ross, Jake Bauers, Burch Smith, and Rene Rivera. In a possibly ill-advised move, the Rays then flipped Ross and Turner for Souza and some other guy. So, if you consider Rivera and Hanigan a wash, then the Pads-Rays deal was Myers for Turner, Ross, Bauers, and Smith, which is a pretty decent haul.
Also, don’t forget that the Rays got Jake Odorizzi from the Royals as part of the Myers-Shields-Davis deal. I agree that the trade looks a lot better for the Royals than it did at the time, but despite the Rays choosing to deal Myers, it hasn’t exactly worked out badly for them.
Since the question was whether he could lead the team’s offense, your take on the trades is very much off the point. He was the second best hitter on the team last year. This year, without Upton, and with better health he should indeed be the best hitter on the team.
Jose Altuve is the tallest person in a room full of 5th graders. No one is second-guessing Myers potential to be the best hitter on the Pads, merely his potential to provide league-average offensive production from the first-base position. Myers doesn’t become a better hitter by virtue of being surrounded by lousy ones.
I know he wasn’t a “center fielder”, but how many on that list went straight from PLAYING CF to 1B? I bet it is a lot shorter.
After reading the headline, I was stunned to find out that the article contained more than one word: “No.”
The only possible reason to think the answer to the question is no is if you think his wrists are a perpetual problem. Is he going to be a .390 wOBA-type player? No. But watch film of his swing in 2013 or even last April and it’s pretty obvious that he has the tools to be a ~.350 guy pretty easily.
Myers generates a lot of his bat speed with his wrists (moreso than most power hitters, I think), so the wrist problems are especially concerning for him, given that he’s not much of a player if he’s not hitting for power. Now that he’s moving to 1B, that puts even more pressure on him to hit for power. Before the 2015 season, he was talking about how great his wrists felt, and he spent half the season on the DL. At this point, the wrist issue seems chronic, and I’m not about to buy into a full-season of a .350 wOBA (which for a guy who plays his home games in Petco, would probably make him a top 30 offensive player) until he actually approaches a full season of a .350 wOBA. His highest career wOBA was in his half-season rookie year (.357), which seems like ages ago, and he ran a BABIP nearly 50 points higher than his career average that season. Neither ZiPS nor Steamer pegs him for a wOBA higher than .331, and the dumb computers don’t even know he’s a power hitter who’s had multiple stints on the DL with wrist injuries and a wrist surgery.
“and the dumb computers don’t even know he’s a power hitter who’s had multiple stints on the DL with wrist injuries and a wrist surgery.”
Which is exactly why he’s a guy whose “dumb computer” projection is significantly less reliable than that of someone who put up the stat lines of the last three years based primarily on true ability.
My point was that the multiple wrist injuries make me more bearish on Myers than the projections. Since when is having wrist surgery a good thing for a power hitter? Won’t Myers will continue to be a disappointment, and I’d be surprised if he proves to be anything more than a 2 WAR player going forward. Myers’ optimists are looking at his rookie season and thinking he can still put up those kind of offensive numbers without realizing that (1) the book is out on Myers now, (2) he’s had multiple wrist injuries since then, and (3) his rookie season stats were propped up by a BABIP that he hasn’t come close to approaching in any season since.
I don’t understand why they would move Myers to 1B, rather than just move him back to a corner. One does not go out of one’s way to get Jon Jay and Melvin Upton Jr. at bats and they’ll have plenty of playing time anyway between CF and the 4th OF role. It might make more sense if they acquired another outfielder, but they haven’t done that.
If you don’t like Breet Wallace there are still reclamation options out there. I also don’t see how you’re focusing on your offense when you’re trying to learn a brand new position that actually has quite a few things to think about.
Myers claims that it’s the position at which he’s most comfortable.
Three reasons:
1) It’s Myers’ best defensive position.
2) The club is hoping to build around him as he is young and cheap. So you you lock him in instead of bouncing him around. In a rebuild, you always look to fill a position long term.
3) There is no thought of making the logical step and moving Kemp to 1B (even though he is horrible in the OF) because he’d throw a fit and they intend on trading him anyway.
Moving a guy with bad hips to the dirt only makes sense if you ignore anatomy and how baseball is played.
Also, he’ll be their DH in 2017.
I’ll be super impressed if he’s DH’ing for an NL team next year. Bold move indeed.
Oddibe McDowell played 7600+ innings at first?
Or none.
Yeah, this chart is incorrect (at least with regards to McDowell). BB Ref shows him with zero appearances at 1B, ever.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcdowod01-field.shtml
I’d put Willie Stargell on the list of OF who later converted to 1b. not sure at what age though.
“Can Wil Myers lead the Padres offense?”
No. Just no.
YES, because I do not think anyone else has a better chance. Kemp is the only one with any hope of beating him and Kemp is a year more lazy and old! So by default it has to be Myers. Unfortunately, it may not take over .330 wOBA to win offensive Padre this season. But, I say Myers actually will beat .330 wOBA anyway.
I think Padres lineup will be better than expected but they will still be bad and running 4th in the NL West. I think Spangenberg and Solarte will easily beat projections, and Spangenberg could be a 3 win guy. Myers will hit well but who knows in how many PA’s and his value is zapped a bit at 1B where he is good enough to play the corner. Kemp is a 120 wRC+ guy this year with his usual defense. Problem is Melvin isn’t going to repeat last year, Jay and Alexei may bounceback a little but should still be well below average. Plus the bullpen will cost them games and only Ross as a 4fWAR guy.
mid 70 wins
How did I forget that Oddibe McDowell played so much first base??
A stress fracture in the wrist doesn’t bode well for a guy that swings a bat for a living. Also to say those most of those guys were “outfielders” that switched to 1B is generous.