Checking in on the Boras Four

Clockwise from top left: Geoff Burke, Jay Biggerstaff, Patrick Gorski, Katie Stratman, all USA TODAY Sports

They were among the best players on the open market this past winter, four of the top seven on our Top 50 MLB Free Agents list. Blake Snell had just won his second Cy Young Award, while Jordan Montgomery had a huge October, helping the Rangers win the World Series. Cody Bellinger had proven himself healthy and productive for the first time in years, and Matt Chapman won his fourth Gold Glove. The so-called “Boras Four” were supposed to land deals in the nine-figure range, but free agency became a frigid slog. Teams found nits to pick with their past production, and luxury tax concerns limited the interest of the biggest spenders, particularly when sky-high target figures were publicly floated, leading to the understandable conclusion that agent Scott Boras had overplayed his hand. The first of them (Bellinger) didn’t agree to a contract until February 25, after camps had opened, and it took another month for the last one (Montgomery) to sign. None of their seasons has gone quite as planned, either.

When the Diamondbacks visited Boston last week, Montgomery expressed frustration with the way his free agency played out. Because his wife, McKenzie Dirr, began a dermatology residency at a Boston-area hospital last fall, a deal with the Red Sox made sense, particularly given their apparent need for starting pitching. Montgomery and Boras engaged in discussions with the Red Sox, but the 31-year-old lefty did not receive a formal offer before signing his one-year, $25 million contract with the Diamondbacks on March 29.

“I had a Zoom call with [the Red Sox], that’s really all I know. It went good,” Montgomery told the Boston Herald last week. “I don’t know, obviously Boras kind of butchered it, so I’m just trying to move on from the offseason and try to forget it.”

Montgomery’s dissatisfaction wasn’t exactly a secret given that on April 11, old friend Kiley McDaniel reported that he left the Boras Corporation to be represented by Joel Wolfe and Nick Chanock of Wasserman. But the timing of his latest comments coincided with the Diamondbacks’ decision to send him to the bullpen, as he’s been lit for a 6.44 ERA in 95 innings, and is doing more harm than good as the team tries to secure a playoff spot.

Snell, who agreed to a two-year, $62 million deal with the Giants on March 19, was bothered enough by Montgomery’s comments to publicly defend Boras. “My experience with Scott has been great,” he told The Athletic on Sunday. More:

“I’ve seen how [Montgomery] struggled, but he signed the deal that he ultimately wanted to sign,” Snell said. “He has the choice. I don’t know what other deals he was offered, but I know everything that was offered to me. It’s just sad that he thinks that way when I see Scott as a very honorable man.”

While we’ll never know exactly how negotiations progressed for this bunch, or whether they’d have been better off taking different deals, their respective performances to date are worth a look, as are the decisions that lie ahead, since their contracts have mechanisms that could lead to new addresses next year. Here are the details regarding our crowdsource estimates for their contracts as well as the basics of their actual deals. I’ll tackle their respective cases alphabetically:

The Boras Four
Player Med Yrs Med Total $ Med AAV Team Signed Yrs Total $ AAV Opt-Outs
Cody Bellinger 6 $144.0 $24.0 CHC 2/25 3 $80.0 $26.7 2
Matt Chapman 4 $80.0 $20.0 SFG 3/1 3 $54.0 $18.0 2
Jordan Montgomery 5 $105.0 $21.0 ARI 3/26 1 $25.0 $25.0 0
Blake Snell 5 $125.0 $25.0 SFG 3/18 2 $62.0 $29.7 1
Median (Med) years, median total contract value, and median average annual value via FanGraphs Top 50 Free Agents list; all dollar figures in millions. Signed = date that agreement to terms was reported, which may differ from procedural addition to 40-man roster.

Cody Bellinger

Bellinger hit an impressive .307/.356/.525 (134 wRC+) with 26 homers for the Cubs last year on the heels of two injury-wracked seasons with the Dodgers, but the question was whether he could be counted on to maintain star-level production as he entered his age-28 season. His 2023 performance far outstripped his modest Statcast numbers and was driven by particularly impressive two-strike results in the service of nearly cutting his strikeout rate in half. Given the former MVP’s upside, high-quality defense, and versatility (center field, right field, first base), he ranked third on our free agent list; Boras reportedly sought a contract worth as much as $250 million, and both Ben Clemens and our crowdsource estimates figured he’d at least secure more than half of that. While the Blue Jays were considered the favorites to sign him, and the rumor mill also connected him to the Giants, Mariners, and Yankees, he returned to the Cubs on a deal that includes $27.5 million salaries for 2024 and ’25, with a $2.5 million buyout of a player option after this season, and then another player option for $25 million for ’26, with a $5 million buyout.

Bellinger has bounced around between the aforementioned three positions and designated hitter given the presence of rookies Michael Busch and Pete Crow-Armstrong and the oblique strain of Seiya Suzuki. Unfortunately, he hasn’t been able to avoid the injured list himself, missing 13 days in April and May due to a rib fracture and then another 18 days in July due to a fractured left middle finger. His .269/.328/.423 (108 wRC+) slash line looks less like 2024 and more like his combined numbers from ’22 and ’23 (.258/.311/.457, 109 wRC+). His average exit velocity is down a bit, as are his other Statcast numbers, and he’s exceeded his expected stats by less:

Cody Bellinger Statcast Profile
Season BBE EV Bar% HH% AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2022 360 89.4 8.3% 38.1% .210 .213 .389 .354 .284 .278
2023 424 87.9 6.1% 31.4% .307 .268 .525 .434 .370 .327
2024 344 87.4 5.5% 31.7% .269 .241 .423 .383 .321 .296

The big difference between Bellinger’s 2023 and ’24 expected numbers — and a key driver of his fall-off — is on his fly balls:

Cody Bellinger Fly Ball Comparison
Oppo BBE% EV Bar% HH% AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2023 9.2% 87.9 2.6% 17.9% .242 .118 .697 .277 .324 .169
2024 11.4% 87.3 2.6% 5.3% .108 .098 .135 .193 .103 .125
Pull BBE% EV Bar% HH% AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2023 9.0% 93.9 31.6% 52.6% .500 .332 1.889 1.165 .909 .579
2024 13.2% 93.9 27.3% 56.8% .318 .265 1.091 .877 .578 .467
SOURCE: Baseball Savant.
Statistics through August 26.

After producing ridiculously strong numbers on his oppo flies in 2023, Bellinger isn’t hitting them as hard this year, reducing their average distance by 14 feet (from 284 to 270), and far fewer are falling in; none have gone over the fence, compared to four last year. While the average launch angle of his opposite-field flies has remained constant at 39 degrees, that of his pulled ones has increased from 35 to 38 degrees, and their average distance has dropped by 27 feet (from 341 to 314), with a reduction in homers from 16 to 10.

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As for Bellinger’s strikeouts, his 15.3% rate is nearly identical to last year, but where he hit for a .281 AVG and .313 wOBA with two strikes last year, he’s fallen to .226 and .270, respectively, this year. His 1.5 WAR pales in comparison to last year’s 4.4, and is hardly has an ideal platform to seek a much larger contract. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays put this winter in hopes of opting out after 2025, as I don’t think a .383 xSLG will convince anyone to invest $150 million.

Matt Chapman

Chapman reportedly declined a $120 million extension with the Blue Jays at some point last year. The team briefly pursued a return, and the Mariners, Cubs, and Giants were also connected to him. While all of the Boras Four fell far short of our crowd’s expectations for contract size, Chapman is the only one whose AAV came in lower as well. He’s making $18 million via a $2 million signing bonus and a $16 million salary, with a $17 million player option and $2 million buyout for ’25, an $18 million player option and $3 million buyout for ’26, and then a $20 million mutual option and $1 million buyout for ’27.

He’s also the only member of this bunch who has avoided the IL, and is the one who is having the best season. His 4.2 WAR ranks sixth in the NL, and is third among all third basemen behind only José Ramírez and Rafael Devers; it’s his highest WAR since 2019. Yet in the grand scheme, it’s hardly been an atypical season for the 31-year-old. His 118 wRC+ matches his career mark, and his .246/.333/.443 line bears a strong resemblance to last year’s .240/.330/.424, but with a bit more power; his 21-homer total so far is already four more than last season. His defense has been typically strong (11 DRS, 4 FRV, 3.1 UZR).

More notable is the arc of his season. Chapman finished 2023 in a funk, with a 54 wRC+ from August 12 onward, and he followed that by producing just an 80 wRC+ in March and April. Statcast’s bat tracking data — which places him among the game’s fastest swingers — arrived just in time to offer him some reassurance that he needed only to continue making minor adjustments instead of overhauling his mechanics or cheating on the fastball; he’s hit for a 129 wRC+ (.253/.353/.461) since. He and the Giants are reportedly engaged in “active dialogue” (Boras’ term) regarding a long-term extension, though it doesn’t appear imminent. My guess is that he opts out, and that a return could depend upon how things unfold with Snell, since signing both to nine-figure deals may be unlikely.

Jordan Montgomery

On August 2, 2022, the Yankees traded Montgomery to the Cardinals in exchange for the injured Harrison Bader because general manager Brian Cashman reportedly didn’t believe he’d be part of the postseason rotation. From the point of the trade through the end of 2023 — after another deadline trade to the Rangers — Montgomery posted the majors’ seventh-lowest ERA among qualified starters (3.17), while ranking 12th in WAR (5.6) and 13th in FIP (3.44). He capped that with a 2.90 ERA in 31 innings during the 2023 postseason, doing the heavy lifting in a pair of series-opening combined shutouts against the Rays (ALWS) and the Astros (ALDS), and chipping in 2.1 innings of emergency relief following Max Scherzer’s injury-related exit in Game 7 of the ALCS. His start against the Diamondbacks in Game 2 of the World Series was nothing special (six innings, four runs in a 9-1 rout), but it didn’t stop the team from winning its first championship.

Montgomery and Boras reportedly set their sights on topping Aaron Nola‘s seven-year, $172 million deal. In addition to the Red Sox, he was pursued to some degree by the Rangers (who were somewhat hamstrung by uncertainty over their television deal), Yankees, and Mets. The Athletic’s Jim Bowoden reported that he received two long-term offers, though neither the teams nor terms were reported. His deal with the Diamondbacks includes a $20 million vesting option for 2025 based on 10 starts, rising to $22.5 million with 18 starts and $25 million with 23 starts.

After signing, Montgomery made two starts for Arizona’s Triple-A Reno affiliate, then debuted for the Diamondbacks on April 19. Three of his first four starts were good, but his ERA has been above 6.00 since June 5. His strikeout rate has fallen from 21.4% to 15.5%, with his walk and homer rates both rising (from 6.2% to 8.3% for the former, and from 0.86 per nine to 1.14 per nine for the latter). With the recent returns of Eduardo Rodriguez and Merrill Kelly from lengthy injury-related absences, he’s been relegated to the bullpen.

Whether it’s due to the lack of a normal winter/spring buildup or the inflammation in his right knee that sidelined him for three weeks in July, the average velocity of Montgomery’s sinker is down 1.6 mph from last year (from 93.3 mph to 91.7), and the offering is getting hammered (.380 AVG/.569 SLG). His other pitches are slower and less effective as well. Per both of our pitch modeling systems, his stuff and command have both fallen off, with his botOvr falling from 52 to 45 (on the 20-80 scouting scale) and his Pitching+ falling from 96 to 95 (on a scale where 100 is average). He’s probably best served by exercising his option in hopes of producing a better springboard to free agency.

Blake Snell

Snell appeared primed to cash in on his second Cy Young and ERA title, but his career-high (and major league-high) 13.2% walk rate, inability to pitch deep into games (he’s never averaged six innings per turn in a season), and concerns about durability (he’s made more than 27 starts in two out of six full seasons, with last year’s 32 his career high) all helped to cool his market. Nonetheless, the Yankees reportedly offered six years and $150 million (topping both Ben’s and our crowdsource’s expectations), and the Astros and Angels made late runs before he signed with the Giants. His deal pays $15 million this year, with a $17 million signing bonus deferred until 2026; half of next year’s $30 million player option will be deferred until mild-2027 if he exercises it.

Injuries prevented the 31-year-old lefty from gaining momentum in the first half of the season. Despite an abbreviated spring, he debuted on April 8, but was dreadful in his first three turns, yielding 15 runs in 11.2 innings and then landing on the IL due to a left adductor strain. After two hitless rehab starts totaling nine innings, he struggled in three more big league starts in late May and June before being sidelined again due to a left groin strain. To that point, he had a 9.65 ERA and hadn’t completed five innings in a start. But after another five-inning hitless rehab start, he found a groove; four of his first five starts off the IL were scoreless, capped by his no-hitter against the Reds on August 2. He’s continued his roll, though a six-walk, three-inning effort against the Mariners on Saturday was nothing to write home about. Still, his splits are night and day relative to the period bracketed by his two IL trips:

Blake Snell 2024 Splits
Period GS IP HR/9 K% BB% K-BB% BABIP ERA FIP
Through June 2 6 23.2 1.52 26.1% 11.8% 14.3% .406 9.51 4.65
After July 6 9 55.1 0.33 37.1% 10.9% 26.2% .175 1.30 2.12
Total 15 79 0.91 33.0% 11.2% 21.8% .267 3.76 2.88

Snell has tweaked his delivery a bit such that his horizontal and vertical release points have both decreased since the early going, as has his extension. He’s cut his slider usage from 16.5% before the second IL stint to 6.6% since, with the usage of his curve increasing from 18.9% to 32.4%. And why not, as the pitch is off the charts in terms of our modeling (from 144 to 148 in Stuff+, and from 66 to 76 in PitchingBot), though the big improvement there has been his fastball (103 to 115 in Stuff+, 56 to 68 in PitchingBot).

In other words, Snell is pitching like an ace, and so long as he stays healthy, he seems likely to test free agency again. Despite his imperfections, he’s got the highest ceiling of this group — he has the talent for a third Cy — and I’d expect him to land the biggest contract of the bunch next winter.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

“He signed the deal he wanted to sign.”

Sure Blake. I’m totally convinced that Montgomery wanted to wait until two weeks into the season, not get a training camp, and have to come in cold immediately to help a team with an injury-filled rotation, with a total contract value of less than half of what was expected for him.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

In the larger quote that wasn’t all excerpted here, Boras was saying he relayed all offers to his clients and they had autonomy to take or leave any. So in context he was saying Montgomery signed the deal he chose to sign among all that were offered, not what you’re implying here which seems like “he got the offer he wanted and signed it.”

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Blake Snell was the one who I was quoting. Boras is not excerpted anywhere in this article.

MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I’m not entirely sure how this relationship works from a legal standpoint, but usually if an attorney does not relay an offer to their client then they can get in a lot of trouble and I suspect the same is true for agents. So part of Boras saying he did that is probably covering his ass, even if it is true.

youppi4pm
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Isn’t part of the agent’s job to generate interest, not merely meet the minimum legal requirement of someone in Boras’ position?

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  youppi4pm

Of course his job is not merely to report offers. Literally anyone could do that and it’s not why he’s getting paid. It was just a semantic point that I think the quote was referring to Montgomery signing the deal he “wanted” to sign from among the deals that were actually on the table as opposed to saying that the deal Montgomery signed was the one he wanted all along.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I can respect that idea, but that’s not how Snell presented it. Trying to change the subject, directly challenging Montgomery’s quote as a method of questioning Boras as a person, and his history of questionable comments (he made similar ones during the 2020 lockout, questioning player integrity for wanting to have properly prorated compensation) all paint it in a worse light. I’d be willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for a commentator or a player without Snell’s history, but not in the present context.

dl80Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Boras’ mistake wasn’t in not relaying offers to his clients; his mistake continues to be misleading his clients about what they can expect on the open market, or perhaps on just overestimating the market.

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Or, hear me out, it could be Boras wants as big a cut as he can get.

filter2Member since 2025
1 year ago

Please take even 5 minutes to think that thought process through. Boras has been the best agent in the sport for decades. The difference in his cut between the contracts they signed and the (unrealistic) expectations of the public would not make a noticeable difference in the quality of Boras’ life.

If Boras really wanted to get the biggest cut possible, and he knew that the market for his clients was unrealistic, his best course of action would have been to have them sign a longer term higher total dollar deal that may have been on the table somewhere else.

This thought process also assumes that the player (his client) has no autonomy in the decision and are just told after Boras negotiated everything himself where they’re now playing.

The Duke
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I’m sure this is technically true and also likely not relevant to the process

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I can’t tell you why Montgomery has struggled, but if having a full training camp was important to his success, why didn’t he say that to Boras and sign a deal that respected that? If he realized *later* that waiting might have hurt him, well, that’s unfortunate, but is that Boras’s fault?

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

I’m not necessarily saying it’s Boras’ fault, though I think he has some culpability by giving his clients unrealistic interpretations of their market, such as Montgomery having a possibility to out-earn Nola, which he didn’t (at least not a realistic possibility). However, it is Boras’ job to get the best deal possible, and seeking out bigger deals fits into that. Montgomery may disagree, but Boras isn’t the sole reason that he didn’t get the deal he wanted.

What I’m saying is that Blake Snell’s interpretation, as quoted in the article and discussed in The Athletic, is flat-out wrong.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
montrealMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Boras is responsible. He clearly gave the 4 guys a rosy pitcher of what they could expect. He badly misjudged the market and it is his job to give realistic advice to his clients.

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
1 year ago
Reply to  montreal

Boras’ job is to make as much money for Boras as he can.

The Duke
1 year ago

That’s not really correct. His job is to make his clients happy such that he makes as much money as he can within the ecosystem that he is operating in.

There’s a clear difference as to what his job is and what his goal is.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  montreal

He also didn’t pivot fast enough when it became clear his asks were way higher than teams were willing to pay.

It’s OK to ask for more than what you think you’re going to get..but, asking for so much more than you’re worth that people don’t even engage..& then not pivoting quickly when it’s obvious that you’re ask is out of line with the market is the issue.

If the market is 5 years for $100M & you continue to ask for 7 years, $170M & getting ghosted, you can’t just wait til March.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  montreal

He gave ’em a rosy what now?

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Yeah, Blake’s quote is a classic example of replying by changing the subject. Jordan was not accusing Boras of being a dishonorable dude or coercing him into a deal he didn’t want to sign. Jordan was saying Boras screwed up his negotiation.

It’s a lot like when one person says “this guy abused me” and another says “well they didn’t abuse ME!”

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

I feel it’s more like…

One person:”This guy abused me.”

Other person: “He can’t be abusive, he goes to church every Sunday!”

In other words, point out some unrelated virtue of the accused person in order to make the accusation seem supercilious.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

There’s a real question whether Boras is at fault for these things.

Boras does recommend playing hardball and setting the target high, and sometimes that’s the wrong move. And his clients listen to him, because he has a lot of experience with that.
But often, players seek him out because they are willing to negotiate his way. And the player makes the final call

My best guess is that Boras thought that asking teams for Nola-level money was the right strategy, Montgomery thought it sounded good, everyone stuck to the plan and it failed. Obviously Boras screwed up by misreading the market, and I think that’s what Montgomery was alluding to. But it’s not like Boras forced him to do anything either.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree. I don’t think he’s some money-grubber who is costing his clients, the way some people allege. But Boras should have absolutely known that there was a snowball’s chance in hell of Montgomery getting Nola-level money. That was obvious from the word go. Even the most optimistic projections had him getting about $140 Million over 5 years ($28 million AAV). While that is a higher AAV than Nola, he had no shot at matching the length.

The disconnect with the ardent defenses of Boras is that it’s not Montgomery’s job to know these sorts of calculations. His job is to play baseball. It’s Boras’ job to handle the financial and negotiating side of things. That is, in fact, the entire reason that the Agent-Player relationship exists in the first place. And I think it’s perfectly justifiable for Montgomery to feel like Boras did a bad job in negotiations, because he started from a poorly-designed position.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
Shalesh
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I can’t believe I’m defending Boras, but he was using Nola’s deal as a high-ball first ask for Montgomery. He does this all the time when he prepares pitchbooks for his clients. It’s how he got Gerrit Cole 9/$318M when the Crowd predicted 7/$224M. That’s why players pay the agents 3-4%: to get them a deal they can’t get on their own. (And why late career David Robertson negotiates his own deals. He can look at comparable short-term deals and ask for that, so he doesn’t need an Agent.)

For Montgomery to end the relationship, he must feel that Boras ruined the chances for an offer from the Red Sox comparable to what the DBacks offered, which he would have strongly preferred since his wife is interning in Boston. We don’t have that information. What we do know is that Montgomery’s performance this year has been execrable and Boras got him a player option so that he’s guaranteed $22.5M for staying with the DBacks in 2025. Not bad for something not at all in Boras’ control.

tung_twista
1 year ago
Reply to  Shalesh

You are overcomplicating things.
Basically every outlet ranked Montgomery higher than Eduardo Rodriguez (same age, similar career with E-Rod being better pre-2020 and Montgomery better since 2021).
E-Rod signed for more or less what was expected ($80M/4 years compared to $76M/4 years Fangraphs crowd estimate) along with most top free agents outside of Boras Four.
Montgomery got far less than the crowd estimate of $105M/5 years.
It is not reasonable to think that no MLB team would have Been willing to sign Montgomery for $80M/4 years at any point during the offseason.

montrealMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Shalesh

It is fine for an agent to ask a “reasonable” amount more than he truly believes he can get for a player but Boras was asking mountains higher. He made his clients believe things that were not true. Boras failed.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

The disconnect with the ardent defenses of Boras is that it’s not Montgomery’s job to know these sorts of calculations. His job is to play baseball. It’s Boras’ job to handle the financial and negotiating side of things. That is, in fact, the entire reason that the Agent-Player relationship exists in the first place. And I think it’s perfectly justifiable for Montgomery to feel like Boras did a bad job in negotiations, because he started from a poorly-designed position.

Just quoting/highlighting for emphasis – this is very well said.

montrealMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Boras clearly misread the market and that is on him. He is already doing it again. Pete Alonso turned down more money than he will end up receiving. Pete is 30 and plays 1st Base. He has power but is a low average hitter. No speed. Those are no longer the type of players that get big money.

dl80Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  montreal

Pete’s only chance is to shame the Mets into an ill-conceived PR-based deal.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

And he’s no longef the face of the franchise.
Lindor is and he is pure sunk cost; no addition to the budget needed to roster him.
If anything, they might be better off signing Bellinger if he opts out.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  montreal

I think you are probably correct but keep an eye on the Astros. The owner makes panic moves and they haven’t had a good first baseman for a little while.

synco
1 year ago
Reply to  montreal

The Alonso contract will be very interesting. Per reports he turned down 7/158 (so about $22m/year), which would have bought out this year plus 6 seasons after. Beating 6/~135 going into his age-30 season after a ~2 WAR year seems like a tall order but who knows.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  synco

He profiles like a 3-4 year deal at most.

And a 2WAR defensively-limited 30 year old will be hard-pressed to get more than $22M avg.

Last edited 1 year ago by fjtorres
dl80Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Boras does it this way because, on balance, it works out. For all the players that overestimate their market and get a fraction of what was expected, there are 5 guys who got huge overinflated deals way beyond what was expected or reasonable. And for Boras, that’s great. He makes more money this way.

But it sucks for the guys that are the misses.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

I’ve read several comments along these lines and I think that you’re right, it does work out better for him that way.

But I don’t think Boras is motivated by money. I’ve been reading a lot of interviews with him and articles about him that were older, closer to the time he was starting out. And I think there are two equally plausible theories about this.
1) He is a true believer. He really does believe that it will work out every time, because it has worked out most of the time for him in the past.
2) I think he just loves this style of negotiation. It’s a dopamine hit for him.

Could be both.

SculpinMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You had me right up until “I don’t think Boras is motivated by money.”

johndarc
1 year ago
Reply to  Sculpin

Boras is already rich and relies on his reputation. This idea that he’s holding out for a bigger deal to benefit only himself always seemed odd.

These 4 guys didn’t get superstar deals because they aren’t superstars.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sculpin

I think Boras prides himself on getting the biggest deals for his clients. Obviously money is good, but I think he is not motivated by his commission. He genuinely loves getting the biggest possible deal.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

This is something people need to take into account. Boras may play hard ball a lot and it may work out most of the time, but for the clients that it doesn’t work out for Boras is no worse off while the players themselves can be deeply impacted.

He has no incentive to not play hardball at this point because that’s what he’s known for and he’s already accumulated enough money to be successful so at this point it’s mostly ego driving his attempts at these inflated salaries. Because of this he won’t necessarily have the player’s best interest at the forefront of his mind while making these decisions because as long as it works out for him at least 50% of the time he gets paid well and can boast that it works most of the time.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Signing with him is a gamble now that there aren’t many teams willing to be suckered into bidding against themselves with media rumors of a “mystery team “.

The Duke
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Strategy need to be informed by the environment. He failed to understand a) that a lot of the big spenders were capped out and b). A number of teams had big Bally/Diamond issues.

His strategy had always been to wait, wait, wait but the environment should have suggested to him that most teams only had a few bullets to shoot and that they would shoot them early.

Predicting the future is hard and he failed

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
1 year ago

Amazing research to find a head shot of Bellinger that looks not only serious, but downright terrified

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago

It’s just sad that he thinks that way when I see Scott as a very honorable man.

You all did see that on the Lupercal, Sox thrice presented him multi-year deals, which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition? Yet Boras says he was ambitious — and Boras is an honorable man.

NathanielMember since 2016
1 year ago

this needs more upvotes.

MisterMetMember since 2020
1 year ago

Perhaps the most learned comment I have ever seen on Fangraphs . . . or anywhere

raregokusMember since 2022
1 year ago

I’ve read this comment three separate times now and it’s only gotten funnier

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  raregokus

Took me a while to get it, even after I figured out the reference. It was puzzling to me at first, and now I think it’s really funny.

Last edited 1 year ago by sadtrombone
darren
1 year ago

Montgomery and Boras engaged in discussions with the Red Sox, but the 31-year-old lefty did not receive a formal offer before signing his one-year, $25 million contract with the Diamondbacks on March 29.

The Red Sox had not made an offer by 3/29? What did Montgomery expect Boras to do about that?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Typically there is discussion between the agents and team about what sort of deal would be needed before a formal offer is made. The Red Sox were interested in Montgomery enough to talk with him, but Boras came in high enough that the Red Sox didn’t bother pursuing it further.

willl
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d be dumbstruck if Boras didn’t go back to the Sox, especially if Montgomery had already expressed a preference to play in Boston, and say “the Diamondbacks just offered us 1/$25m + vesting options, can you do better?”

At which point the Sox didn’t bother to make a counter offer, which goes back to Darren’s point that what was Boras supposed to do?

However, if Boras didn’t try to drum up a bigger offer from the Sox or another team, then that’s a pretty poor job from him.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  willl

Or maybe they had spent the budgeted $$ elsewhere? This stuff isn’t static.

If they asked for 40% higher than Boston was willing to pay in December, Boston isn’t just going to sit & wait when it’s obvious that they’re far apart. They’re going to cross Mongomery off their board as an option & spend their budgeted $$ elsewhere. Then to think they’re going to pony up $20M+ per year in March is silly..esp since this was a rebuilding year for them with a new front office

Depends not only if Boras went back, but, when..Was it 2 weeks later? a month? Late Feb/early March?

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darren
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

They may have spent the budget but that seems unlikely because:

–They didn’t realize spend much outside of Giolito, and were still reported to be in talks with Montgomery after that signing.
–They were reported to be in on (and in some cases the favorite for) Montgomery right up until he signed.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Giolito *was* the bulk if not all the money they were willing to spend on starters.

It may be they saw the year as a lost cause : “we’ll still lose with him so we might as well lose without him and save the money”.

Or, it may be they thought the inhouse pitching was enough they didn’t have to splurge on him and could do as well retreading Giolito. Giolito didn’t pan out but the rest of the staff did. And Giolitto failing only cost them money. DBacks lost more than money signing Montgomery.

Boston could have done better with what they spent but I doubt there is much angst in the FO over passing on Montgomery. More likely, a sigh of relief at dodging an expensive bullet.

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darren
1 year ago
Reply to  fjtorres

That doesn’t jibe with the fact that they were in on Montgomery until he signed.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Which option doesn’t jibe.
And how do we know they were “in on him”? Did they say they made multiple offers?

Boras has a history of leaking fake offers to his media friends.

For all we know they exchanged ballpark figures early and were waiting on a counteroffer in their range. Absent that counter they were under no obligation to make any announcement.

Last edited 1 year ago by fjtorres
PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Maybe so, but, how much were they offering to Montgomery if ,in fact, they were on him at the end?

Considering he signed a 1 year $25M contract with a player option for 1 year at $20-$22.5M AND he supposedly preferred Boston, they either weren’t in at the end (Are we sure that wasn’t Boras using the media to pump the market?) or were in at some low-ball figure substantially below what Montgomery ended up getting.

“Sure, we’ll give you 1 year for $14M”isn’t really “in”, in the normal sense of how it is portrayed. That’s just making a deal to pick off someone that is desparate.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

And somebody they think they can do without.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  willl

PC1970 probably has the correct answer here, but even if the offer did come earlier I think there’s a lot fewer of this “can you top this bid” type of phone calls than we suppose. I don’t know why this is the case. Maybe because by the time you’re at that stage it’s too difficult to deal with multiple deals being negotiated simultaneously? And obviously once the deal is largely agreed to, nobody wants to pull out at the last second.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Pulling out at the last second impacts all future negotiations because word gets around to both agents and players.

To an extent, the teams have adjusted to the age of analytics better than the players. They not only have access to data not available outside MLB, but their own data and models. The common data essentially caps what agents can reasonably expect and team-specific data lowers or raises it based on team needs and custom. Taken together, it gives non-generational talents a lot less room to manuever. And not all agents seem to have adjusted.

It’s not collusion as Boras has insinuated from time to time but it has similar effects. Different times and Boras doesn’t seem to get it.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  willl

Right, it beggars belief that Boras would not go back to other teams. The reporting at the time was also that the Red Sox were in on Montgomery right up until the end.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Whose reporting?
How credible?

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

So they had these discussions, Boras came in with a really high number, and when the price came down, they never met again? That defies basic logic and also doesn’t jibe with the reporting at the time that the Red Sox were in constant contact with Montgomery.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

If my realtor is telling everyone at the open house “this place is going to go for at least $600K,” presumably all the people who were thinking about going as high as $350K aren’t going to bother filling out all the paperwork to make their offer legally binding.

darren
1 year ago

And if your house is only worth $350K, eventually you’re going to drop your price. And those people who weren’t interested at $600K are going to be interested again.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Or maybe they’ve already bought something else by that point because they need a place to live.

darren
1 year ago

But they hadn’t. They were still in on him until he signed.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Correct.
But real estate doesn’t usually come with use it or lose it deadlines where the buyer has to settle for a $200k condo. 😉

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Snell has shown a bit of a preference for the West Coast, so it’s quite possible he would accept a slightly smaller deal to sign with the Giants or Padres. But without that, he would likely be the most attractive of the group. It’s super hard to find pitchers who can pitch at that level, even if he is inconsistent. He’s also going to be 32 so I think it will probably won’t be a super-long deal, but I have to imagine that the Giants would be willing to give him at least $100M over 3 years. Other teams like the Mets or Cardinals would have to significantly outbid that to get him.

JV19
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wonder if part of him just plain didn’t want to play in NY.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JV19

I think it’s more that the type of contract he was looking for from an east coast team was going to be a lot higher than one from a west coast one. There was an interview with him at some point where he expressed that he was really happy to be on the Giants specifically because they were a west coast team. He’s from Seattle originally and I believe lives in that general area in the offseason.

johndarc
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sure but Snell has talked for years, even when he was on the Rays, about how much he loves playing in Yankee Stadium.

I think he would have been a bad fit, and historically I was never that impressed by him as a Yankee fan who saw the Rays a lot, but I think the only team Snell really wanted to play for was Seattle. And Seattle won’t give him that money.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Astros are an option for him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Montgomery is certainly opting in. The going rate last winter for rebound starters was about $14M, he’s going to get paid something like $8M more than that. But I would guess that someone would give him another shot at the rotation even if the D-Backs are a bit reluctant, so if the D-Backs eat that money (or take back another undesirable contract) they should definitely be able to move him. I would definitely take a risk on him for $14M or $15M…

I think Bellinger would probably be wise to opt in as well. I suppose there are teams that would be interested in him–the Mets, Rockies, Phillies, Angels, and Yankees (if they lose Soto) could be interested. I have a hard time imagining any of those teams will offer $100M or more. He gets banged up and his offensive profile is solid but not exciting these days.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well, as another veteran who had an absolutely terrible year after a previously strong track record, Lance Lynn got $11M guaranteed last offseason, but Montgomery is much younger, so $14-15M sounds about right.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I know that MLB insiders are predicting that Chapman is going to get a deal well over $100M this offseason but I am having a very hard time seeing it. But I have a hard time understanding who is going to give it to him.

The Giants might if Snell leaves because they’ve been trying to get good players to take their money for a while, but he’s 31 and has been a 115ish wRC+ hitter for a while. The Cubs traded for Paredes, the Yankees traded for Chisholm, both are in tax territory, the Phillies and Mets finally have players who look good at third base, the Rangers have Josh Jung, the Dodgers don’t value infield defense much. The Blue Jays and Nationals probably aren’t going to be hard buyers at the moment. He’s probably not a big enough “name” for the Angels to go after him.

That leaves…who? The Giants and…the Mariners? I don’t see him topping $100M unless Snell leaves SF and maybe not even if he does.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Could see the Brewers being interested in Chapman this offseason (though probably not at the $100M level).

Basic idea is he would replace Adames production for cheaper (or at least a shorter term deal) with Ortiz moving over to SS.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

I think that the Brewers might be willing to offer a Lorenzo Cain-type deal, but I’m pretty sure that the Giants are going to be willing to beat that even if they bring back Snell.

I think that deal for Cain is the largest deal they’ve ever given out in free agency. It’s entirely possible that they would top that for Adames but I find it hard to imagine that they would give a deal that large to anyone who didn’t already have ties to the organization. And I can’t say I blame them. Free agency is a huge minefield. Much better to keep extending players you already know.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Or letting them go.
In house data cuts both ways.

Like: if the Brewers think Ortiz can give them 80% of Adames they might choose to spend that Cain money on something that gives them more than Ortiz + 20% of Adames. Say two 60% players. They have holes other than replacing Adames, after all.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I just don’t see the Brewers being interested in Chapman. Even if (when) they lose Adames, the Crew still have Tyler Black, Vinny Capra, Oliver Dunn, and Andruw Monasterio on the 40 man. I believe all of them can play 3B. None of them are at Chapman’s level, but they are also all about 1/20th the price of Chapman.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Which frees up the money for other uses.
Like, can Yelich be counted on?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Maybe the Cubs flip Paredes to somewhere like Boston or Houston, where he’ll be playable?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

If Bregman leaves Houston I could see it. Boston could be interesting, although they seem fairly committed to Devers at third base. I think the more interesting situation for Boston is that they have excellent outfielders either up already (Duran, Abreu) or will be ready soon (Anthony, Campbell), plus Rafaela who is an interesting option in center field but is definitely miscast as a shortstop.

I’m quite interested to see what goes on with Bregman. The Astros have been proactive about keeping their own, and his bat plays much better in Houston than anywhere else.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d sure love to see the Royals in on him at $100M/4.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I can see 4-5 years at $100-$120 m. Giants, Blue Jays, Astros, Nationals, Royals, Tigers, Mariners, Dodgers, Angels all could use him. He’s competing with Bregman.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I just can’t see a lot of those teams going after him. If Bregman leaves, the Astros might. The Mariners and Royals have bigger issues to deal with, the Dodgers don’t care about elite defense in the infield, the Tigers seem committed to trying Jace Jung at third base, the Blue Jays might be going for a reboot, etc.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The tigers had better give Jung a lot of runway. Bringing in an aging “proven veteran” to block or o him is not a good play.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

While he’s always getting hurt and is a shell of his former self even when healthy, it would be weird for the Angels to sign Chapman while they still have Rendon.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Eh, they can’t let Rendon’s shambling corpse keep them from pursuing a meaningful upgrade if one is warranted. His horrid contract is a sunk cost at this point and they may yet DFA him

johndarc
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

Sure but Chapman alone won’t make the Angels good.

fjtorres
1 year ago
Reply to  johndarc

And he’ll take a lot of money better spent elsewhere.

When you’re at the bottom.of the ALW looking up at Oakland (doing a slowboat rebuild) you have a lot of work ahead of you that won’t be completed while Chapman remains useful.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  johndarc

Oh that’s for damn sure

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He would be a great fit for Boston. Replacing Devers’s glove at 3b with his would be a huge and needed improvement. They also need a right-handed bat in their lineup. But as you say, I can’t seem them shelling out $100 million for him.

Thatguy47
1 year ago

Incredible that people continue to miss what happened last offseason. Simple fact is the market’s been at the level Boras expected it to be last year b/c the big market teams had money, and was at that level for half of last offseason until the big teams ran out of money (Phillies after Nola, Dodgers after Ohtani and Yamamoto, etc).

Then the market crashed and Boras and his players were left standing. It’s true in a sense that Boras misread the market, but so did all of the front offices who were signing BOR starters to $40+mil/3-4yrs, middling relievers to $5-10mil/yr, and bench guys like IKR to $10-20mil/2yrs.

If you actually look back on last year’s FA it’s clear that after a certain point every player went from getting what they were estimated for or more to much less, and judging how players and teams were left scrambling to put together the money for these guys falling into their laps it doesn’t seem like anyone else recognized how much FA was being inflated by a few big spenders.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  Thatguy47

You can’t really compare Boras misreading the market to teams over paying players when Boras is in the driver’s seat with these negotiations. Teams are pressured to make these deals and make them early because if they don’t someone else will. On the other hand, Boras doesn’t have any pressure on him to play hardball.

JohnnyRingoFWC
1 year ago

If anything, maybe these teams will learn to stop giving the player options and force mutual options for high contracts like this. All of the aforementioned teams would have been fine walking on any of these free agents. Being stuck with them if they do bad, and then losing them if they do good, is a strategy teams need to learn to defeat.

raregokusMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  JohnnyRingoFWC

Mutual options are almost always declined by one side or the other, so players would need to see an increase in AAV to compensate for the loss in control going from a player option to a mutual option. IMO, vesting option structures like in Byron Buxton’s contract seem more like the way of the future than an increase in mutual options since they give players the illusion of control while leaving open the possibility that the team can put their thumbs on the scale re: playing time to make sure the option doesn’t vest.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  JohnnyRingoFWC

It’s not that simple. For one, the best FAs aren’t going to agree to any team options in a contract unless there’s a significant buyout because if a team pushes that the player will just move on to another team. And you can’t blame a player for that because they should try to get all the guaranteed money they should. Secondly, teams are competing with each other to sign these players and because of that someone’s going to over pay for them, that’s just how it works out.

Last edited 1 year ago by lacslyer
JohnnyRingoFWC
1 year ago
Reply to  lacslyer

I don’t disagree with what you are saying. However, there is nothing stopping a team from simply saying that any options must be mutual options, or no deal. Let’s take the Cubs. In Bellinger’s case, if you are paying $75 million for 3 years it’s almost a guarantee he does bad, because he would opt out otherwise. That’s a lot of wasted money. He is not Ohtani level where they are going to make it up in merchandise and sponsorships. It was a clear overpay and they bid against themselves in this example. Let them move on (if nothing is worked out) and grab the guys who want to play for you because you have a great city and organization who will sign a reasonable contract or at least give you mutual options at a higher AAV.