Could Baseball Borrow the Premier League’s Spending Incentive?

“The strategy the Marlins have adopted is tried and true in baseball. I’m not saying it’s without pain… But it was a process that ultimately produced a winner [at times, including Houston this season], in terms of smaller markets’ ability to win.”

–Commissioner Rob Manfred on the Dan LeBatard show, Dec. 20

 
Rebuilding, of course, has long been a part of baseball.

Before the Astros and Cubs parlayed dramatic rebuilds into World Series titles, the Marlins conducted fire sales of their own amid championships in 1997 and 2003. Young, cheap, talented labor has been prized since the origins of the professional game.

However, it is the depth of baseball’s current rebuilds that has begun to create more concern recently, notably among the league’s 120 unsigned free agents. It seems like something is different is occurring, that organizations are thinking more extreme, more like an NBA team when retooling.

If the Cubs and Astros did not inspire these more extreme retooling efforts, the Cubs’ and Astros’ success has nevertheless allowed clubs to follow the “tanking” model with greater conviction.

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While FanGraphs has, on occasion, been criticized for writing from the team perspective, for declaring a “winner” and “loser” in a deals based on the sort of value it might provide a club, we have written from the player’s perspective quite a bit recently.

In December, this author suggested players should fight for a payroll floor. Craig Edwards and I each offered free advice that could drive more money to players — younger players, in particular — by eliminating the arbitration system.

This ice-cold offseason can be explained by a number of factors. You have probably heard these explanations: teams better understand aging curves and have devalued free agents; large-market clubs are motivated to stay under a more punitive tax with next year’s historic class looming; more teams are thinking and valuing players similarly — with more science and less emotion. Others have speculated whether collusion is at work.

The MLBPA was recently curious to learn whether the Pirates and Marlins were using their revenue-sharing dollars properly, a point which Whitney McIntosh explored in depth for SB Nation.

That leads me back to Manfred’s comments at the top of this post, comments which hint at another key problem: incentive.

The commissioner of baseball has endorsed purposeful down periods. Is tanking rational from the club perspective? Can it result in winning? Yes and yes. We’ve seen that. But competitive balance also ought to be a concern for MLB, and a landscape increasingly populated either by Haves or Have Nots is a troubling one. Not every tanking story will be a successful one. The Astros and Cubs were successful for reasons beyond the top-five overall draft picks they accumulated.

What could change the incentive for more clubs to compete (and spend)?

There is nothing forcing Bob Nutting to add payroll in Pittsburgh. Even at the Pirates’ recent peak, from 2013 to -15, the club never broke into the top 20 in spending. There is no payroll floor making the Marlins pause at completely dismantling their roster.

So that brings me to a recent community blog contribution and a clever idea from UK-based fan and researcher, Billy Dennis. The post was inspired by and borrows from an English Premier League practice. (Read the entire piece!) In the EPL, as Dennis explains, teams collectively share television/media-rights fees. Those dollars, however, are distributed not equally, but rather as “prize dollars,” with the best team receiving the greatest share of revenue and so on down the list. While ticket sales and TV ratings and ad dollars are tied to winning in baseball, dollars that are shared from national media contracts and MLB Advanced Media are not tied to on-field performance.

The following chart shows how those TV dollars were allocated last season in the EPL, according to the Telegraph.

Such a system creates greater incentive to spend and compete — assuming the spending is relatively efficient. Of course, it can also widen the gulf between the Haves and Have Nots. Interestingly, that point is probably of greater concern in the EPL itself, where clubs like Manchester City and Manchester United not only carry payrolls nearly 10 times the size of their weakest competitor, but where they can also leverage their revenue streams into the outright purchase of talented players (a practice that is atypical in American sports). The constraints on player acquisition in baseball (draft, international free agency) don’t allow for such stratification. MLB might actually be more well suited to the prize-money system than the EPL itself.

The MLB and EPL are different creatures in other ways, obviously. I cannot imagine MLB sharing the majority of its media-generated revenue in such a way, for example. But perhaps a portion of revenue could be distributed in a similar manner to the EPL. Perhaps that could foster more spending. Maybe the revenue-sharing system should be rethought. Perhaps there ought to be something in place to promote future spending.

While tanking can work, while it’s a rational process to follow, when too many teams are losing on purpose to collect premium draft picks and spending-pool dollars, when too many teams follow that roadmap, that can become a problem.

What baseball — and the MLBPA — might need are further incentives. Dennis’s idea is a creative one.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

The biggest spending incentive and basically a salary floor is relegation. The three worst teams or so get sent down to AAA and are replaced by the 3 best AAA teams.

That probably can’t work in the USA.

tfox1127Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I’m all in favor of sending the White Sox to play in the Big 10 this year.

Anonymous
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I’d be pretty bummed if (for example) the Giants randomly awful 2017 resulted in their disqualification in 2018, where they are positioned to challenge for the Wild Card.

Curacao LL
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

This.

And despite the TV money in the second flight in England being better than AAA TV money (whatever “AAA tv money” is…) it still can’t sustain a top flight payroll. So relegated teams often face the equivalent of a controlled bankruptcy (“Administration”) because most of their contracts are guaranteed.

Further, the top of the English Premier League is dominated by the same handful of teams nine years out of ten.

Full disclosure: the team I support is currently rock-bottom and facing relegation.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
8 years ago

Pro-rate revenue sharing and national media money for teams that win less than 81 games. For each win less than 81, you lose 3% of league revenues down to a minimum of zero. (At 48 wins your team is below the wins estimated for the all replacement level team, and it still gets 1%.)

The savings are then split among all teams in direct proportion to wins.

jfloros
8 years ago

They could change the draft order to deincentivize tanking. Instead of worst record getting first pick, they could give it to the first team to miss playoffs and so on, with the ten playoff teams still getting the last ten picks. Would make it more attractive for teams to add a couple pieces for a few wins netting a better draft pick in a non championship caliber season.

Seamaholic
8 years ago
Reply to  jfloros

Problem with that idea, which the NBA has thought about over the years, is the discontinuity around pick 18. That’s the last non-playoff slot, whereas 19 is the first playoff slot. So if it’s Game 162 and you’re tied for the last wildcard, if you win you get a one game crapshoot to get into a real series. If you lose, though, you get the #1 pick in the draft. That’s got real problems written all over it.

Some small improvements I’d like to see is an enforced slot system, so you can’t play games by underpaying a kid in the top 5 who has no choice wrt turning it down, just so you can overpay another kid from the 2nd round (the Astros used this loophole to great effect). I also like the idea of randomizing the top 10 teams in the draft. And giving more benefits to small market teams, as opposed to losing teams.

GTOBalance
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

What about giving every non playoff team equal odds and distribute the top picks that way? Outright tanking brings nothing compared to missing the playoffs by a game, though of course that still has the problem of making a as you say ‘crapshoot’ wildcard game would mean you cannot basically luck into a top 1/3/5 pick. Is making the playoffs worth that to most teams?

dannm
8 years ago
Reply to  GTOBalance

An idea from Sloan a few years back is that draft order is determined in order of most wins (or points in the NHL) after each team is eliminated from postseason contention. So if the White Sox and Phillies are equally bad, and both got eliminated on 9/1, then whoever won more games in September would get the higher pick. If a bad but slightly better team was eliminated on 9/7 and had more wins after their tragic number hit 0, then they’d pick higher than both. And the teams fighting for a Wild Card would only have a few days, if any, to rack up wins to jockey for position 18 vs 20.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  dannm

This is my favorite proposal as well, and I think the reason why is because it clearly keeps teams trying to be competitive throughout the year.

I don’t know how much anti-tanking proposals help in this case though.

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  dannm

That’s an intriguing idea, though one problem is that NL and AL teams with even records can be eliminated at quite different times just based on record differential of the second wild card team in each league. There’s also some potential for that to happen to teams in different divisions of the same league: the second wild card should mitigate that issue most years, but potentially not all of them if one division happens to have a particularly weak set of teams.

In general, though, I come down on the side that the degree to which “tanking” or extreme rebuilding is a problem in baseball is overstated. And, to the extent that it is an issue, I don’t think that just switching around the top of the draft order changes incentives that much. Moving up a few spots in the draft does help teams, but there are plenty of other ways that rebuilding teams prioritize “later instead of now” such as trading players with short-term team control for prospects. If we want to make sure that teams don’t have an incentive to tank for the first overall pick in years when someone like Bryce Harper is seen as a generationally great first overall pick, an NBA-like weighted draft lottery for all non-playoff teams is a fine solution.

68FCMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

I think it would work better in the MLB than the NBA because there is more randomness in the playoffs in baseball. The Yankees were a wild-card team, but they ended up a game away from the world series. In the NBA the 8 seed only wins the first round about once every ten years and I don’t believe an 8 seed has ever made the finals. In baseball it is not at all uncommon to see a wild card team in the World Series.

The #1 pick also has very different values in the NBA or MLB. The #1 pick in the NBA can turn your team around overnight if you get a Shaq or Lebron, and even if you don’t get a future hall of famer, you are probably getting an all-star. In the MLB, it is much less valuable. From 2002-2013 5 of the 12 #1 picks haven’t even produced 5 career WAR.

I think the odds of winning a championship in a 10 year window are higher if an 85 win team in year 1 makes the wild card rather than gets the #1 pick.

Johnny Dickshot
8 years ago

In the first place, rather than just anecdotally assuming it, it would be good to see actual evidence that there has been a reduction in “competitive balance” in 2018, compared to past years. As well, is it actually true, compared to baseball’s history, that there is a material difference in the number of “Haves” and Have nots” in 2018?

If so, does such status as a “Have” or “Have not” materially affect such teams’ imperatives to spend on player costs? Does it then affect baseball’s overall imperative to spend on player costs such that expenses on player costs are actually declining? If so, to what degree (in either direction)?

Depending on the answers to these questions, one might have different solutions, if any problem is discovered that negatively impacts baseball players, or baseball overall.

True, applying evidence-based “sabermetric-type” thought and research to these questions is harder and more-time-consuming than churning out content based assumptions, a la Heymann or Olney.

ice_hawk10
8 years ago

doesn’t seem like you can win either way. either you create a race to the bottom by giving bad teams higher/more picks and a larger share of league revenue. or you incentivize spending, which can only benefit large market teams.

there’s the salary cap method, but the players sure as hell aren’t going to favor that the way this offseason is going, and furthermore i’m not even sure the product of the NHL or NFL has really benefited from that model anyways.

maybe the truth is that not all teams should exist in the first place if the ownership and market can’t support it at a level where they can be competitive outside of short blips. we’re talking about sports and entertainment here, not some kind of essential social service that we can’t do without.

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  ice_hawk10

The truth is it is impossible for all 30 teams, or even most of them, to be competitive when only 10 teams make it to the playoffs (4 by wildcard) and has only 1 winner.
That is not about financial support and market size, but simple math.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago

So there’s a problem, and you already stated it:

“While ticket sales and TV ratings and ad dollars are tied to winning in baseball, dollars that are shared from national media contracts and MLB Advanced Media are not tied to on-field performance.”

There already ARE performance based prize incentives. Winning teams earn more local dollars based on that winning. National media dollars provide, more or less, an income floor for all teams. Distributing national dollars as prize incentives will only further exacerbate the income disparities between the haves and have-nots. Owners who insist on a particular ratio of income to expense will just slash expenses further.

The problem isn’t that spendthrift owners can’t increase payroll. It’s that they won’t. Every single MLB team is a profitable entity. If not in the immediate term, then certainly in the long run given the appreciative value of the franchise.

The only way to incentivize larger payrolls is to require them. That might take the form of a hard floor, or maybe a soft floor with an inverted luxury tax, or perhaps some sort of NBA-complicated system that encourages teams to spend more on homegrown players. I dunno, but I don’t think income penalties are going to lead to higher spending.

Fireball Fred
8 years ago

If the Commissioner really believes that the Astros are a small-market team, and apparently considers the A’s a big-market team, there’s your problem: MLB is run by idiots.

Johnny Dickshot
8 years ago
Reply to  Fireball Fred

The Astros don’t receive revenue sharing because of market size.

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago

The Astros were disqualified from receiving revenue sharing based on market score prior to the 2016 CBA, but that changed in this CBA. The Astros and Braves are no longer disqualified based on market score under the new CBA – http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2016/12/mlb_changes_market_rank_formula_in_revenue_sharing . In the near-term, though, that’s pretty clearly just going to be theoretical for the Astros because of their local TV contract and because they should see an attendance pop after the World Series win.

In the current CBA, there are 13 teams who can’t receive revenue sharing based on market score (which is a mix of market size, income, and cable households): both New York teams, both L.A. teams, both Chicago teams, Toronto, Washington, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Oakland (phasing in through 2020), Boston, and Texas. The only team that truly looks wrong on that list is Oakland, and the White Sox could be a bit iffy.

To be clear, the other 17 teams don’t by any means automatically receive revenue sharing money. They’re simply eligible for it if their local revenue is low enough that the local revenue sharing formula calculates that they should receive it.

For the A’s, though, it doesn’t make much sense that the CBA assigns them the same market score as the Giants (which is shown in an attachment to the CBA) when that market has divided territorial rights that prevent the A’s from moving to a stadium in a more desirable and presumably lucrative location.

Adam C
8 years ago

One quibble with the article. After 2003 the Marlins did NOT have a “fire sale”. They actually contended in 2004 and 2005. For some reason the 2003 Marlins get lumped in with 1997 Marlins. But the 2003 team and what happened afterwards was quite different from the dismantling of the 1997 team.

In 2004 the Marlins still had a very good team. They were in first place for 74 days and were in first as late as June 30th. In August the Marlins were 16-10 W-L. On September 8th the Marlins were 72-62 W-L and they were just 1.5 games behind the Wildcard leader. On September 14 the Marlins were 76-65 W-L and still just 2 games back of the Wild Card leader. The Marlins made a major trade at the trade deadline to bring in Juan Encarnacion, Paul La Duca, and Guillermo Mota. The Marlins increased their payroll and went for it. But the Marlins simply faded going 7-14 W-L down the stretch.

In 2005 the Marlins contended once again. The were in first place for 29 days and were in first as late as June 3rd. This time, however, they held the Wild Card lead into mid September. On September 13th the Marlins were the Wildcard leader and had the third best record in the entire National League at 78-67 W-L. But the Marlins faded again going just 4-13 W-L down the stretch.

After 2003 the Marlins tried to keep their core together and tried to win again in 2004 and 2005. It just didn’t work out.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Adam C

In the 2003 offseason Florida traded Derrek Lee (.271 AVG/31 HR/92 RBI, 21 SB in 2003), Juan Encarnacion (.270/19/80 and 19 SB) and Mark Redman (14-9, 3.59 ERA, 1.22 WHIP) and let Ivan Rodriguez (.297/16/85 and 10 SB) and Ugueth Urbina (3-0, 1.41, 0.94 and 6 SV) leave as free agents. Two of those players were legitimate big-name stars. The other three were productive regulars.

The only significant player on the 2004 team that Florida added via trade/free agency in the 03-04 offseason was Armando Benitez (2-2, 1.29, 0.82 and 47 SV in 2004).

The Marlins were competitive the following season, yes, but they also chose to move on from five significant pieces of their 2003 team during the 03-04 offseason. Much of the motivation behind those decisions was to make room to give more playing time to cheap young prospects Hee-Seop Choi, Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. That happened to turn out quite fortunately for Florida. It’s not hard to see why people (probably rightfully) consider that to be a “fire sale”.

Note: Traditional statistics cited because nobody knew what WAR or FIP was in 2003 and this comment concerns the perception of a “fire sale”.

Adam C
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

As I said before the Marlins did not have a fire sale after 2003. A fire sale is when you dump all your best and expensive players like they did after 1997. Again, on July 30, 2004 the Marlins brought back Juan Encarnacion and two other veterans (including all star Paul La Duca) to try to win. They traded their top young hitting prospect Hee Seop Choi, pitching prospect Bill Murphy, and young Brad Penny for three veterans because the Marlins were trying to win. Trading away prospects and young major leaguers for expensive veterans and All-Stars is the opposite of a fire sale. I remember it was big news that the notoriously cheap Marlins were taking on significant payroll to try to win.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Adam C

You are talking about transactions made during the 2004 season. The alleged fire sale references transactions during the 2003-04 offseason – the ones that I listed.

Adam C
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

I’m not sure what we are debating here. I disagreed with the article referring to the Marlins having a “fire sale” after they won the 2003 World Series comparing it to what happen after the Marlins won it all in 1997. They two situations were not remotely similar. The 1998 Marlins were the worst team in baseball with 108 losses. The 2004 and 2005 Marlins were playoff contenders. The 2004 Marlins traded for expensive veterans in an attempt to reach the postseason. Teams that go through fire sales don’t do such things.

matthewtobin
8 years ago
bjsguess
8 years ago
Reply to  matthewtobin

He specifically gives credit to that writer. Is there something else I’m missing?

AaronC
8 years ago

There could be a penalty system, sort of like a reverse luxury tax. The 10th worst team loses 1/10th of their revenue sharing, the 9th worst loses 1/9th, etc. Second- and worst teams lose half.

Draft picks can be really shaken up: The top 10 picks go to the worst 10 teams – but the order is by their winning percentage in September. No tanking in the last month to assure the #1 pick, since you’ll end up at #10.

Alan
8 years ago

A very interesting idea. The proposed revenue sharing plan will help, but finishing near or at the bottom can net a superstar so the payments would have to ramp up very significantly to completely remove the incentive to lose.

rhdx
8 years ago

You know what else works well for the EPL? Having only 12 teams. If MLB got rid of teams in markets where fans only show up to watch a sure winner the revenue side wouldn’t be such a problem. I know it will never happen but if MLB got down to even 24 teams the quality of the product would shoot up dramatically.

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

I don’t think that would really change the landscape all that much.

Let’s analyze it in some detail. Going by the last Forbes team revenue estimates, which covered the 2016 season, the 6 lowest teams by revenue were the Rays, Marlins, A’s, Reds, Brewers, and Royals. That seems in line with an intuitive list that people would have for small-market, low-revenue teams, with some of the last three perhaps swapped out for some mix of the Padres, Pirates, and Twins.

Would dropping those teams address revenue disparity? Some, but the differences would still be really large. The bottom revenue teams would be around $250 million in revenue, an increase from the Rays and Marlins currently being a bit over $200 million. The Yankees would still have estimated revenue more than twice that of the lowest revenue teams if the lowest revenue is around $250 million. Several other teams – Dodgers, Cubs, Red Sox, and Giants – would have revenue that’s 70% or 80% higher than the lowest revenue teams.

I am the Rockies fan
8 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

The EPL has 20 teams, not 12. And because of the strong regionality and team pride that soccer has in the UK, virtually every major and even some minor cities and towns have their own team. And any pro team from any city can get into the EPL by means of the relegation system.

It’s not a matter of the EPL deciding who gets to be in it, you have to win to stay in. Even the big clubs have been relegated in the past. Say the Yankees for a down year or two, but the big clubs always bounce back and it creates a very competitive league where managers can be fired not even 10 games in due to the threat of relegation.

Relegation is really unique in all of sports and I think it really prevents teams wasting everyone’s time by refusing to spend or compete seriously.

Travis LMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

And the TV, MLB.tv, ticket, concession, parking, and merchandise revenue would plummet.

One of the reasons MLB TV contracts are worth so much? They provide the most hours of live content with ads that can’t be skipped. Drop to 24 teams and you have a lot fewer games to televise in fewer markets.

Personally, I think the quality of play at the MLB level is the highest it’s ever been.

TakiarMember since 2020
8 years ago

A big difference in the EPL is that clubs like ManU, ManC, Arsenal and so on not only compete in the EPL, but also in the European field against the likes of FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, Paris St-Germain, Bayern Munich, etc. Furthermore, clubs relegate and climb up leagues, creating a flux of lower income teams. MLB clubs only compete against themselves, and are fixed in MLB (no AAA-MLB exchange of teams). It’s just a completely different system.

Alan
8 years ago

Fwiw, the fifteen team leagues with two wild cards hints at a convenient if completely insane way to introduce a soft form of relegation.

Each league could make a division out of the five playoff teams, and then divide the remaining ten teams geographically (east and west) each offseason. The three division winners reach the playoffs, with the second place team in the “playoff” division hosts the wild card game against the next best team.

This assures two new teams reach the playoffs, and discourages a team from becoming so awful that it can’t capitalize on a lucky alignment the next year.

I am sure the players would love the extra travel, but more competitive races will mean more spending, which is probably a net win for the players.