Daily Prospect Notes: Wander Franco Edition
Because there are so few minor league baseball games on Mondays this year, you’ll see me play with the format of the Tuesday Daily Prospect Notes. I’m lucky that the top prospect in the sport, 20-year-old Tampa Bay Rays infielder Wander Franco, is likely to debut against the Red Sox this evening. The Franco report from the Rays/Top 100 lists still applies, and folks looking for a general overview of his talent should go jam on the clipboard here and read that if you haven’t already done so. Today I’m going to be breaking down his 2021 season using Synergy Baseball, a pitch-by-pitch video software program that is often used by MLB teams.
We made a decision to allocate scouting travel budget toward Synergy Baseball during the offseason, when the timeline for vaccines was still hazy but the presence of COVID was not. Unsure if/how much I’d be travelling again this year, we funneled money into Synergy in case I could not. It was initially useful for watching action in foreign pro leagues and during Spring Training as I worked on prospect lists, but Kevin Goldstein and I also have access to pitch-by-pitch video from Triple-A games (not the whole minors, just Triple-A), as well as metadata from each pitch. I can’t share video with you here (or anywhere) or I’d be in violation of MiLB.tv terms of service, but I can share with you some of the Franco metadata to illustrate the specific nature of his skills and put them in a big league context.
Here’s an example. Franco has seen 639 pitches at Triple-A Durham this year and has swung and missed at just 46 of those, which means he has a 7.2% swinging-strike rate this season. That’s 49th among all qualified minor leaguers and third in the minors among hitters age 20 or younger. But Franco is one of only three hitters his age who have played above A-ball, and the other two (Riley Greene and CJ Abrams, both at Double-A) aren’t in Franco’s SwStr% neighborhood; both are north of 12%. Franco is so hard to make swing and miss that his current rate would already put him among the top twenty qualified big leaguers this season, and his career rate (which is closer to 5%, 36th among all minor leaguers since 2018) puts him in the top ten.
According to Synergy (which applies to most of the stats I’ll reference from here on), of the 43 swings and misses Franco has put on tape so far this year, 29 have been on pitches in the bottom third of or below the zone. When you break the whiffs down by the handedness, most of his lefty whiffs are coming on changeups or splitters, his righty ones on backfoot breaking balls. Orioles righty Mac Sceroler is the only pitcher to get Franco to swing and miss three times in a game, all of which came via his splitter. That’s not to say these are vulnerabilities, just where you have the best chance to get him to whiff.
Franco also has a 3-to-1 ball-in-play-to-swinging-strike ratio with Durham. Only thirteen qualified big league hitters have ratios that strong (by my math, David Fletcher leads at 6-to-1, followed by Kevin Newman at 5-to-1, Michael Brantley at 4-to-1, and Yuli Gurriel, Jake Cronenworth, Adam Frazier, Myles Straw, Whit Merrifield, Tommy Edman, Alex Verdugo, Raimel Tapia, and DJ LeMahieu all crammed in the 3- to 3.8-to-1 range), and he exhibits roughly that ratio across all pitch types. Again per Synergy, Franco has a 94% Z-Contact%, which would be top five in baseball, and a 28% O-Swing% that would be three percentage points better than MLB average.
If there’s a piece of this puzzle that remains unknown, it’s how Franco will fare against big league velocity. Per Synergy, opposing pitchers’ fastballs have only averaged 91 mph against him, a full two and a half ticks slower than that average big league heater. He’s only seen 39 fastballs at or above 93 mph this year, and I don’t think that’s enough to glean anything legitimate. It’s perhaps worth noting that Franco has either taken those pitches or fouled them off; he’s only put two of them in play. What’s interesting about him versus fastballs, generally, is that he is much less apt to chase them than he is other types of pitches; his O-Swing% against fastballs is only 14%, compared to 28% overall.
Most of this just jibes with and reinforces the visual scouting report, especially when you remind yourself that it’s a 20-year-old generating these rate stats at Triple-A. This is a remarkable bat-to-ball prospect who also happens to have relevant power while occupying a valuable spot on the defensive spectrum. It’s not possible to gauge what will happen when Franco has to stand in against Michael Kopech or Aroldis Chapman, or someone who throws as hard as they do just about every night. It’s ironic that a player who has been famous and lauded by the scouting community since he was fourteen and who has performed at an elite statistical level without fail still has something specific, but relevant, to prove.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
It is extremely exciting to have such a unique prospect making his MLB debut. He has truly extraordinary plate discipline and a fair amount of power. I know Eric has concerns about him sliding down the defensive spectrum, but St. Louis seems optimistic he will remain in the corner outfield. Plus, how many prospects have a name like Lars Nootbaar?
Wrong article?
fail?
“Lars Nootbaar” is a European chocolate candy and I won’t be convinced otherwise
The name “Lars Nootbaar” oozes European sophistication. If he lives up to his top prospect billing, he’s going to follow in Reggie Jackson’s footsteps and get his own line.
What if I told you his name was Lars Taylor Tatsuji Nootbaar?
EDIT: Ooops, Left of Centerfield beat me to it.
That’s a lot to put on a wrapper. Probably just “Nootbaar” would do it.
I can even imagine what it would taste like.
Probably an attempt at humor as Lars was called up today as well?
I lolled not gonna lie.
Meh, Lars Nootbaar is kind of boring for a name. I think announcers should be required to refer to him by his full name: Lars Taylor Tatsuji Nootbaar.
Can’t wait for the Nootbaar era to begin! That Wander guy might be pretty good too!
And Lars Taylor Tatsuji Nootbaar delivered!!! Drove in one of the Cardinals two runs last night in a 2-8 loss to the Tigers. Let the candy manufacturing begin!!!
It’s early, but Nootbaar is leading Wander in both triples and sacrifice flies!
I’m curious to see who will generate the most cheers from the fans tonight at Tropicana:
– Franco
– the rest of the Rays
– the visiting Red Sox
I kinda wonder what the attendance will be. If a player like this debuted in most MLB cities it would be packed.
Not the same thing, because nobody has ever been an 80 grade prospect, but Yoan Moncada made his debut for the White Sox on 7/19/17, was the first prospect from the rebuild to debut, and was considered by many to be the top prospect in all baseball. Attendance that day was 24,907. The day before it had been 23,808. Not much of a bump.
In 2018 when Michael Kopech debuted, the attendance was 23,133. The previous home game it had been 22,033.
I went to both of those games and felt like there was a little bit of a buzz that had not been present, but promoting those highly touted prospects doesn’t seem to have moved the needle too much.
I’m pretty shocked to learn that AAA fastballs only average 91 mph. I would have assumed they still have big league velocity but just a lot less command/control.
I bet a lot of the big velocity, older guys have transitioned to relief roles, and I think the younger big velocity guys pitch in the lower minors to build confidence. It seems a lot of pitching prospects tend to only have brief stops in AAA before they make their debut. Logan Gilbert made 1 start at AAA before getting called up for example – not that he throws HARD, but just an example of a prospect having short time in AAA
Lots of veteran depth lives at AAA. Older pitchers that are hoping to prolong their career as an injury call-up but just don’t have any oomph on their fastball anymore.
I’d imagine there’s a lot of pitchability/command guys that don’t quite have the stuff to make the majors. But it’s weird how he’s barely seen high velo at all
Agree–I’m curious as to whether this is ordinary or not. Would Wander have faced better velocity at lower levels? Is this par for the course for a prospect of his stature? Etc.
Usually the opposite. Generally AAA pitchers are veterans with MLB-sufficient command/control but not enough raw stuff to miss bats and barrels at the major league level. Major league stuff (or at least velo) with much less command/control is typical of many AA or sometimes A+ arms.
I feel like a lot of people underestimate how much tougher the pitching is in MLB compared to AAA. That fact was also surprising to me.
Lived in a AAA city for a long time and can confirm it’s the land of crafty 87-90 pro ball (but not MLB) vets. Then saw the Yankees A ball affiliate for the last two summers and just a parade of 95+ w occasionally hellacious breaking balls. 3 ip/7k/4bb type of starts. Just a world of difference in the levels.
It could be the radar guns. I’m not 100% convinced that recent MLB velocity jumps are not tied in to either equipment or where the velocity is measured (i.e., are you measuring velocity within the first 10 ft of when a ball leaves a pitchers hand or 40ft after?). Patino has pitched in both MLB and Durham this year. I couldn’t find any velocity readings for him at Durham this year though…would be good to know a resource for this. My guess is that MLB readings are on the high side.
That stat about the average fastball velocity and only having faced 39 fastballs over 93 was surprising–i wonder if there’s any way to see how this compares with other prospects (at both the AAA level and other levels). In other words, I’m curious as to whether this is an anomaly (somewhat) unique to Wander Franco, or if it’s actually par for the course and I just need to adjust my mental calibration of how good minor league pitchers are.
Interesting stat on Franco not seeing alot of velocity yet. I suspect pitchers will test him right from the start and see if he can hit higher heat.
I would rather have many prospects over him. Way too short.
See this is the same reason I preferred Pinochet to Allende.
This comment is so terrible, terribly out of place & yet also so terribly deft comedically that I nearly blew hot coffee out of my nose. I wouldn’t want to minimize the suffering most Chileans endured under Pinochet but neither do I think Isabelle Allende would begrudge baseball fans a laugh at his expense, the best revenge being to live well!
We know. You must be one of those Fidel Castro fans
…Salvador Allende…or is this a continuation of the joke?
Edit: or maybe you meant Allende’s daughter, and not the novelist. Too many Allendes for me to keep straight.
The novelist (Isabelle) I think was a cousin or niece of Salvador Allende. The politician (Isabel) is Salvador’s daughter. I don’t have any problems with them having virtually the same name, but you would hope that at least one of them would have the decency to not be famous.
Actually, they have exactly the same name. Both spell it Isabel.
That can’t be William Wallace. Not tall enough.
Among other things, like the fact that Wander is so young he might have another inch or two to grow or that he’s already taller than Mookie Betts and just an inch below Lindor, Milton Friedman was 5’0” and is in hell now
communist board>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Milton Friedman assessment = accurate
Ok, Venezuelan
I don’t get this comment. Do u have to advocate for bigger government and socialist programs to not be in hell? Have u economically done studies? Are u an expert?
Erik Neander, is that you? This is Farhan Zaidi here. I got your message. Short answer: Yes. I will trade you Sean Hjelle for Wander Franco. If you insist, I will even add Hunter Bishop or Carson Ragsdale.
I’m a tiger fan. I would rather have 5 or 6 tigers prospects over him.
I would be willing to bet the Tigers FO would trade all of them for Franco and figure they’d won the deal.
Possible troll comment aside, it’s actually kind of an interesting hypothetical. Would the Tigers trade Tork, Manning, Greene, Skubal, and Mize for Franco (let’s ignore that Skubal and Mize have technically graduated)? Based on last years FV $ val estimates that would be roughly $264MM in value (two 60 bats, two 60 pits, and one 55 pit) for Franco’s $180MM, so maybe they wouldn’t do that. Top four worth $230MM? Likely also no though at that point differences in eval and risk pref with the arms esp maybe gets it closer. Tork + Riley + Manning/Skubal would theoretically be more or less equivalent, but I’m not sure the Rays take that.
I wouldn’t do all five of them for Franco, but it’s not as far fetched as you’d think. I’d definitely trade Greene, Skubal, and Mize for him. I don’t think the Rays would take that, though.
I’d at least think about it if they wanted Tork or Manning too, and I think the Rays would definitely take that deal. I’d probably want to see if there were some prospects that the Rays absolutely loved instead of Tork or Manning but I have a hard time thinking of who that would be.
I definitely wouldn’t trade both Tork and Manning in the same deal. Tork has the best bat we’ve seen in the minors since Vlad Jr. Manning is the best of the three pitching prospects, and is arguably the best pitching prospect in baseball right now.
Lol!!!!!!!!!! Not one GM would trade Mize and Tork. Or Mize and Skubal. Or skubal or TOrk. NOT 1. Well, maybe the rays GM
If I were a GM and the Rays said they would trade me Franco for just two players in the Tigers system and it didn’t involve Manning it would take all of my willpower to avoid screaming “NO TRADE BACKS” into the phone. I suspect that would be the case for every single GM in the game today.
Losing Tork would hurt, but my goodness, if you actually read the article you are supposedly commenting on you would learn a lot.
Well let’s do a pros/cons list to make sure
Pros: literally every baseball skill
Cons: he’s short
He’s not even that short, lol, which makes it all the more funny. 5’10 is average height but he is built like a brick and has some of the fastest hands in the business. Power generation has very little to do with a players height. Just dumb logic, lol.
Jose Ramirez is listed at 5’9″/190#. He’s probably closer to 205-210# these days from the looks of him, but that is my comp for Wander.
Wander is a bit on the short side. But I wouldn’t give that much weight if any. From 1972-1976 the best hitter in either league was a 5′ 7″ guy with many of the same batting characteristics as Wander. Wander won’t steal 300 bases during his best 5-year stretch…but he might be one of baseball’s best 5-10 hitters, and a 7-8 WAR player.
Would you rather wrestle one Aaron Judge or ten Wander Francos?
Is this it? Is this what we’re doing here now?!?!?
*walking away disgusted*
I’m excited. Wander looks like a young Jose Ramirez.
And of course he somehow exceeds expectations for his first game by walking in his first PA and then homering.
I think I’m even more impressed by the walk. You have to think in your first MLB PA your urge is to swing at everything, and it takes a lot of discipline to lay off 4 pitches despite all the nerves.
As of 9:30 PM Eastern / 8:30 PM Central he has a 50% career OBP and has homered in 25% of his PAs. At his current pace, he will break Barry Bonds home run record after he’s amassed about 5.2 seasons worth of PAs. First ballot hall of famer, for real.
It will be interesting to see who, a decade from now, has the the most WAR from 2020-29. I’d guess Acuna, Tatis, Vlad, Soto, and Franco in some order. I think Wander belongs in that group, and he may do it in the most unique way: with less power but higher average, more walks, and more doubles/triples.
Robert if he comes back healthy
Robert will probably never get on base enough to be a WAR leader. He’ll be fun & productive, but generally a hitter needs to A) get on base a ton and/or B) hit the snot out of the ball to make the leaderboard.
Robert’s certainly got the strength to qualify as “hitting the snot out of the ball”. He’s not likely to be as devastating a hitter as the guys listed, but unlike any of those guys besides maybe Franco he also brings premium defense at a premium position— again assuming he comes back with no long-term aftereffects. I wouldn’t say it’s near as likely as these other guys, who are already established superstars besides Franco, but he’s one of the few players with the talent to have an outside shot.
After watching Franco play one game I am ready to anoint him as ROY. Willie McCovey won the award, and deservedly so, in 1959 playing in only 52 games. The competition is Adolis Garcia and maybe a couple of pitchers.
Arozarena
Can someone do a wellness check on Jasson Dominguez?
It’ll take a few hours for the rover’s text to come through
As the Tiger GM, I would say no to 1 of the following:Torkelson/Manning/Greene/Mize and 1 of the following: Baddoo/Skubal/Dingler. Most Gm’s would also. Come back in 5 years
We will see in five years. If your argument is that he’s too short when he is 5’10, lol. Plenty of players in history that were amazing under 6’0 tall, namely another switch hitter named Mickey Mantle, I hear he was good at baseball. By the way, Wander had as many HRs as Torkelson being younger at a higher level of competition at the time of his call up. Watch Wander’s debut last night and you’ll see why he is so highly thought of, that plate discipline is simply next level.
kid’s comp of Jose Ramirez is a really good one, just in terms of power and hit tool. Franco could play shortstop and is probably a worse baserunner but a .385 OBP and 30-35 homers annually seems within reach. The big difference is that hopefully Franco could be at the same level as peak Ramirez a lot younger than Ramirez was.
Agreed. Wander’s prognosis:
Most likely outcome: Jose Ramirez
Floor: Rafael Furcal with less speed
Ceiling: Chipper Jones with an MLB-caliber glove at SS.
IMO, worst case is he’s prime-ish Michael Brantley at SS, .300/20/20, which is a hell of a player.
The Jose Ramirez comp basically makes itself. Same height, size, switch-hitting, power level, plate discipline… It took Jose a few years before he was a .220-.230+ annual ISO guy, and I suspect it might be that way for Wander, too.
Wander definitely has a better hit tool than Jose Ramirez. The better comp is Mookie Betts as an infielder.
Just watched. I’m convinced!!
Yeah, but he’s short.
As a Tigers fan that knows their prospects well, I wouldn’t offer all 5 for him. I believe Tork is a top-10 bat, but adds no defensive/baserunning value. Greene has the look of a 4 WAR player that contributes everywhere. Mize/Manning look like true #2 SP’s for a contender. It’s a great system now, but TB doesn’t take anything less than 3 of them for Wander. It would be tough to swallow that pill, but it’s reasonable.
What’s the fangraphs policy on number of downvotes in one article before a commenter gets blocked?
Sorry, I have a different opinion
I never thought an advanced mathematical website would have a positive view of Bernie sanders.
Look, I know Bernie Sanders is only 2” taller than the “too short” Wander Franco, but his 6’/175 frame is still a perfectly acceptable size to play left field with. He could use some pro conditioning to bulk, but despite his relatively advanced age for a prospect I think there’s room for growth!