Dan Lozano and the Contract Rumor Mill
This offseason was supposed to be a spending bonanza that would see teams throwing money at generational talents like Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, rotation stalwarts like Dallas Keuchel, and bullpen anchors like Craig Kimbrel. Instead, that quartet, along with among many others, remains unsigned as yet another slow winter drags on. It turns out that last offseason, to that point the slowest offseason ever, wasn’t unique. It may have been, instead, a harbinger of the new normal.
The Major League Baseball Players Association’s new chief negotiator, Bruce Meyer, told the Wall Street Journal that teams’ inactivity was among the biggest threats facing the game.
How MLB’s Luxury Tax Has Put a Deep Freeze on Spending | @WSJ https://t.co/morDYIzHlB pic.twitter.com/wRuu8Ezh16
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) January 11, 2019
And it’s not just the union. That trend hasn’t gone unnoticed by the players, whose frustration with owners’ unwillingness to spend is spilling into public forums. Players are now using social media to engage with fans, and each other, about the stagnant market.
That doesn’t mean anything anymore… apparently ? https://t.co/EJ8HtE7s0D
— Dallas Keuchel (@kidkeuchy) January 17, 2019
Kris Bryant, on Harper and Machado: “Its weird. It’s really weird. Two of the best players in the game and they have very little interest in them, from just what I hear. It's not good. Its something that will have to change. I know a lot of the other players are upset about it.”
— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) January 19, 2019
All of you 1-3 yr players out there better be paying attention to what’s going on in our game. You’re next. @MLB
— Jake Arrieta (@JArrieta34) January 12, 2019
The war of words was elevated to a new level last Wednesday, when Dan Lozano, the agent who represents Machado, took to twitter to strongly admonish Bob Nightengale and Buster Olney for their recent reporting.
Here’s his statement in full:
I have known Bob Nightengale and Buster Olney for many years and have always had a good professional relationship with both. But their recent reporting, like many other rumors in the past several months, have been inaccurate and reckless when it comes to Manny Machado. I don’t know if their sources are blatantly violating the Collective Bargaining Agreement by intentionally misleading them to try and affect negotiations through the public or are just flat out lying to them for other reasons. But the truth is that their reports on the details of the White Sox level of interest in Manny are completely wrong.
I am well aware that the entire baseball universe; fans, players, teams, and media members alike; are starved for information about this free agent market for all players, including Manny. But I am not going to continue to watch the press be manipulated into tampering with, not just with my client, but all of these players’ livelihoods as they have been doing this entire offseason. The absence of new information to report is no excuse to fabricate “news” or regurgitate falsehoods without even attempting to confirm their validity and it is a disservice to baseball fans everywhere when the media does just that.
Moving forward, I will continue to respect the CBA’s prohibition on negotiations through the media, and hope that others would do the same.
Lozano was referring to an offer reportedly made to Machado by the Chicago White Sox, which the Nightengale and Olney had reported was in the range of seven years and $175 million.
Lozano’s frustration is easily understood. The White Sox’s purported offer is an impressive sum, to be sure, but it’s also essentially the same deal that the Yankees offered 31-year-old Robinson Cano back in 2013. It’s also far short of where we projected Machado’s contract to land when we ranked the top 50 free agents, and of the $300 million deal many observers were expecting of the 26-year-old phenom. That Machado, reaching free agency much earlier in his career than Cano did, was reportedly offered the same sum in 2019 dollars is even more irksome, one imagines, upon the realization that teams are evidently planning to negotiate for Machado’s services through the media.
At the same time, this might be a more multi-faceted issue than it first appears. The body of the Collective Bargaining Agreement itself doesn’t actually prohibit teams or player representatives from talking to the media, except as it concerns arbitration proceedings and medical information. But the CBA doesn’t just consist of the language of the primary agreement; attached, and incorporated into the CBA by reference, are several exhibits and side agreements. Many of those you’ve heard of before: the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program and the Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy are two such agreements. In this particular instance, the relevant document is Exhibit 49.
Exhibit 49 is a letter from MLB Chief Legal Officer Daniel Halem to MLBPA Senior Advisor Rick Shapiro, with the simple memo line “Use of Media.” As Halem explains it, the purpose of the letter is to “confirm our agreement regarding certain prohibited conduct by the Office of the Commissioner, the Players Association, Clubs, players, and player representatives (collectively, the “Covered Parties”) with respect to public comments about free agents[.]” It states:
(1) The Covered Parties may not (i) disclose to the media the substance of contract discussions between a player and a Club (including but not limited to the facts of offers, the substance of offers, or decisions not to make offers or to withdraw offers) until after terms on the contract have been confirmed by the Office of the Commissioner and the Players Association; or (ii) announce an agreement on a contract that is contingent on the player passing a Club-administered physical examination until after the player has passed that physical examination.
(2) Similarly, none of the Covered Parties may make comments to the media about the value of an unsigned free agent, or about possible or contemplated terms for an unsigned free agent, regardless of whether discussions have occurred. The prohibitions apply equally to comments that are on and off the record, as well as to comments that are provided on the condition of anonymity or published without identifying the source (e.g., “an industry source”).
This means that technically speaking, every “industry source” in a team front office or player agency who talks to a reporter about ongoing negotiations is in violation of Exhibit 49. Helpfully, this provision also includes a non-exhaustive list of prohibited comments to the media.
- “Player X won’t receive anything longer than a one-year deal.”
- “Player X is seeking more than Player Y received.”
- “We are out on Player X.”
- “Player X is worth at least $Ymillion.”
- “Player X has contract offers from multiple Clubs.”
- “We are unwilling to forfeit a draft selection to sign Player X.”
- “We have concerns about Player X’s physical condition.”
- “Player X is not worth more than $Y million, nor should he receive a contract greater than Z years.”
Lozano is technically correct here: leaking free agent offers to the media is against the rules. And he is arguably right to point out the seriousness of the issue. After all, the rule exists for a reason: to prevent teams – and agents, for that matter – from negotiating through the media, thereby artificially depressing or inflating a free agent’s market. The list of possible reasons for a team to leak such a proposal are hardly to Machado’s benefit. Perhaps it is to drive down Machado’s market. Perhaps this offer was really made, and teams have just decided not to make ten-year offers any more. Perhaps teams know that fans are likely to cast a sideways glance at a player for turning down a life-changing amount of money, whether or not it reflects the player’s actual value. Perhaps teams want cover in case Machado signs elsewhere. Perhaps teams know something we don’t. We simply don’t have those answers, but there’s no way under Exhibit 49 of the CBA to say that a team source can permissibly discuss negotiations with a free agent with a member of the press.
At the same time, Lozano has an uphill fight. The provision is very difficult to enforce:
A violation of this agreement will be established only if the grieving party identifies the specific individual at the Club, Commissioner’s Office, Players Association, or the specific player agent or player who was the source of the comment.
Often, enforcement would depend on media members revealing their sources, though it should be noted that the Rule doesn’t make members of the media themselves covered parties. It’s technically a violation of the CBA for Executive X to tell Ken Rosenthal that his team made an offer to a certain free agent; it’s not a violation of the CBA for Rosenthal to publish that tidbit. The trouble is that if you’ve ever read MLB Trade Rumors, ESPN, The Sporting News, the Athletic, or even this very site, you know that comments of this type are routinely made to members of the media, by front office sources and other team personnel, usually anonymously. Even the provision of Exhibit 49 that provides a sort of safe harbor to discuss already-reported negotiations has been disregarded, as reports now go way beyond mere confirmations or denials, and no one ever seems to use what is the explicitly required language: “No Comment.” In practice, Exhibit 49 is largely disregarded, both on and off the record, as evidenced by just few selected tweets from this offseason.
Kris Bryant said Bryce Harper isn’t signing with the Cubs.
— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) January 18, 2019
Brian Cashman indicated that Bryce Harper isn’t a fit for the #Yankees. Said the team already has six outfielders and that playing Harper at first base isn’t realistic.
— Bryan Hoch ?? (@BryanHoch) December 10, 2018
If Bryce Harper and Scott Boras come back to the negotiating table, Mark Lerner says, "It's a strong possibility that we won't be able to make it work. But I really don't expect him to come back at this point. I think they've decided to move on." https://t.co/T7I0PLL0q0
— Chris Lingebach (@ChrisLingebach) December 7, 2018
Brodie Van Wagenen says he logs onto Twitter every day, and is glad that Mets fans aren't "apathetic." But he's still not signing Bryce Harper. pic.twitter.com/yLZFmcfTBv
— Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo) January 16, 2019
So what do we actually have here? Assuming everyone is telling the truth in this cast of characters, we have a team, the White Sox, that told two baseball scribes that they’d made an offer to Manny Machado, knowing the offer would be reported, and presumably aware they weren’t technically allowed to do so. We have Ken Rosenthal and Bob Nightengale reporting what they’d been told by the White Sox. We have Dan Lozano, who says that reporting is untrue, and was a violation of the CBA, which it technically was. (It is perhaps worth noting that Lozano, who represents some of baseball’s biggest names but whose professional history is littered with allegations of serious misconduct, including accusations of violating MLBPA rules and sexual harassment, is something of an imperfect messenger for concerns over ethical dealing, though how familiar the average fan is with his past is unclear.) In the face of growing labor strife, this won’t be the last time we see a player or their representative grapple with the public rumor mill, where some fans are already hostile to the idea of players making tens of millions of dollars, making these public statements all the more important. Lozano may be right, but he’s also swimming upstream.
Sheryl Ring is a litigation attorney and General Counsel at Open Communities, a non-profit legal aid agency in the Chicago suburbs. You can reach her on twitter at @Ring_Sheryl. The opinions expressed here are solely the author's. This post is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended as legal advice.
So could the MLBPA file a grievance against Joe Maddon for saying that Bryce Harper isn’t coming to the Cubs?
Kris Bryant?
This just sucks. As a fan who is cognizant of the relative value of labor (i.e. I know players are worth tens of millions because owners are mostly worth billions) it sucks to see teams manipulating the market and freezing free agency. However the majority of fans and a large portion of the media is on the owners’ side so much that I can’t see a reasonable way for the players to ever win without a strike. And with all of this negative press continuing to build combined with the existing problems in the game such as changes to pace of play, stewards of the game actively broadcasting all the ways it sucks now (i.e. John Smoltz), and competition from other sports (i.e. the whole Kyler Murray debacle) it just feels like we are at a crossroads. All of these things make it hard to be a fan, when at the same time some of the best talent in the history of the game is pouring in. Something has to break. The bubble is going to burst. And I don’t want to lose baseball. I love it so much.
The players aren’t worth tens of millions of dollars because the owners are worth billions. The relative wealth of the owners is irrelevant in concerns to the value of the players. The players are worth tens of millions of dollars because they possess a rare commodity and (ostensibly) have more than a few bidders for that commodity.
I wasn’t worried about the state of FA last off-season given the relative warts that all the so-called best players came with, but man if Machado and Harper aren’t getting paid, then yeah, something is wrong, and a strike is imminent.
Lots of FAs have signed this offseason. The ones who haven’t signed are the ones who aren’t Trout or Betts, but insist upon being paid like they’re Trout or Betts. Teams are smarter now, and they’re smartly waiting for asking prices to come down.
Machado has motivation issues and two bad knees. Harper hasn’t been healthy in 3 of his past 5 seasons, and he played like a prematurely declining player rather than a star in his most recent season, which was one of the two healthy seasons out of five.
Too many folks are uncritically accepting the flawed premise that these two players are each “worth” $300 million dollars, as if players are entitled to 10 year fully guaranteed contracts, when the market has repeatedly shown that 10 year fully guaranteed contracts are a bad bet. Teams are wise to push back on agents who have decided that their clients will get 10 years or bust. Looks like it’s a bust so far.
Meanwhile, when an actual superstar, as opposed to a fake, media-manufactured one like Machado or especially Harper, comes along, then teams might be willing to actually bid against each other, and the player may actually have leverage to demand 10 (or more) years. 10 years isn’t an entitlement. It’s earned.
lol i looked at this an hour ago and you had -8 on the votes off this terrible comment…now you are +11, Nice try.
How do those boots taste up in Brewtown?
“How do those boots taste up in Brewtown?”
Congratulations, fredsbank! You win the award for dumbest comment on this page.
A lot of folks here seem to be surprised that so many fans are against decade-long guaranteed deals for players. You shouldn’t be.
Small market teams can’t afford to give many, if any, 10-year $300 million deals, because if the deal goes bad, which seems to happen most of the time, the team won’t be competitive for a generation. Small market teams can’t just spend their way out of those catastrophes the way Boston or New York can. So when fake superstars like Harper and Machado are expecting 10/300, then what will legit superstars like Betts or Trout command?
I have no idea why so many folks here (including the writers) are willing to swallow the talking points from the agents and the union that these players “deserve” or are “worth” 10/300, despite their fairly obvious risks and red flags, but can’t grasp the idea that fans in the smaller markets, whose teams never seem to be able to swim in those waters, are genuinely, for purely self-interested reasons, against such deals.
Some of you will take issue with the idea that small market teams can’t afford such deals. We frequently see folks on here–including fangraphs writers–make bold statements to the effect that *every* team can afford to pay a 10/300 deal. These opinions seem to be based upon sophomoric class-warfare ideas wherein the owners are all evil, greedy multi-billionaires, and articles here about team finances that disingenuously cast the one-time sale of an MLB asset as some kind of annual revenue. One fangraphs writer even suggested, in a chat, that teams should operate at a loss, year-over-year, and collect that money back when they sell the team. Sounds like good business to me!
The reality, for many of us in fly-over country, is that we want to see our teams be competitive too, and we have learned that’s best accomplished when teams are smart. Smart means paying attention to warning signs, and *not* overpaying to assuage the egos of the agents.
I think your spot on Kev- AAV is alive and well its the 10 years that is the problem- I too have been perplexed on the amount of people here who would rather look at it as greedy rather than smart (who they champion to want them to be in their free time when not chasing witches that dont exist )
The problem is that the owners want it both ways–they want to massively underpay players during their cost-controlled years, then not pay them once they hit free agency.
* They dont “want” to underpay during cost controlled years thats what was agreed upon by both parties…. you cant fault them for the players making a bad deal last CBT
“They dont “want” to underpay during cost controlled years ”
Yes they do. The owners’ desire to underpay during those years was explicitly justified during every CBA negotiation as a necessity because of expenses incurred for player development (which is laughable in retrospect given the pittance MiLB players are paid).
I agree with your premise but Machado and Harper have been worth quite a bit thus far in their careers – quite a bit more than many Hall of Fame players. If the bar for true superstar is being a top 3 player in the league that seems a bit extreme.
“(i.e. I know players are worth tens of millions because owners are mostly worth billions)”
There is nothing true in that sentence.
Fans aren’t “on owners’ side.” Instead, fans of most teams aren’t clamoring for their team to sign a player to a multi year $30M contract because fans want to have a winning team and they know that most of those contracts, under the current economic and competitive environments, means that signing that player will not help most teams win, but will cause the team to lose in the long-term. In the current economic structure, some teams simply are better off trying to compete by putting their money into things other than long term free agent contracts.
If baseball had a harder cap, with a team floor and revenue sharing at the end of the season so that at least some percentage of revenue gets distributed to the players every year, free agency would be smoother. However, players have not wanted such a system, so now they’re stuck with trying to shame teams into signing more Pujols and Zito contracts.
Fans would be happy for more players to get big money (although they are probably indifferent about whether it’s $10M or $30M; it all becomes funny money at some point). However, fans’ loyalty is first to winning, and most understand that spending to a championship can be done by only a few teams, while others who try to compete in that way end up with long-term pain.
I’m a fan of teams smartly spending money, but I’m not a fan of the current system where “smartly spending money” and “spending money on free agents” are mostly exclusive of each other. The system itself is broken, and not either of the players or teams (at least ignoring the fact that they’re the ones who constructed this system). So I can’t fault the current GMs/front offices for making rational decisions, but I fully support the players’ efforts to fix the system such that rational decision making again encourages FA spending (as it doesn’t currently). I just hope the players are smart enough to recognize how to do this. The most recent CBA was a severe indictment on the Union’s ability to recognize and pursue this fundamental issue (the luxury tax concessions being the biggest red flag).
The MLBPA isn’t ever going to “fix” the system such that rational decision making encourages FA spending. The best they can do is remove things like the QO draft pick penalties, but that affects only a small number of players and I think the owners will give on that rather easily.
And the players’ don’t need to do that anyway. They need to focus on total wealth transfer across all player groups (FA, arb, pre-arb), which is all that matters. Of course that’s all that does and should matter to the union members, but not all that matters to their agents, who have a lot power over the MLBPA.
Sure they can Monds….just take out the “free” before agency for a start-
Love your posts, think you have the best handle on this whole situation of all the posters and writers
“Fans” dont have to live with horrible results, they can turn to their local basketball team in down times….owners well nvm-
Baseball players are paid 52% of the profits. Higher than any other sport
wrong. You must be reading articles coming out of new york city commisioners office ha
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-mlbpa-has-a-problem/
Yes, if fans are on owners side then players strike would change it. Perfect.
The problem, obviously, is that we have not had a channel for fake MLB rumors since @MLBFakeRumors stopped tweeting. So mainstream media had to fill in the gap.
Don’t we all kind of assume way too much when it comes to the value of the inside sources for reports like Nightengale’s and Rosenthal’s?
You’d think that Kris Bryant would be smart enough to know the difference between there being “very little interest” in Machado/Harper and there being “very little interest at the salaries they are known to be demanding, so that teams see no point in wasting their time until the asking price drops to a more palatable level.”
The problem is that for years we looked at this year’s free agent class with Harper and Machado and predicted that they would blow away the records for biggest contracts. But years ago, it wasn’t obvious that come January 2019, Harper would still be largely just a potential superstar, not an actual superstar, with only one standout season out of 7. And that Machado would be become known as not only a dirty and lazy player, but one who would be dumb enough to admit it publicly.
Teams are (rightly) looking it as “Hey, we can hand out a $350M/10 year contract, but if we do, it is going to be for a legitimate superstar without any major question marks.”
In short – it’s not the teams or the market, it’s the players and their opinion of what their market should be. Both of these “megastars” have serious warts, and if the asking price was closer to $20M a year, there would be teams lining up to sign them (that would qualify as “a lot of interest”, Kris Bryant).
Harper is anything but a “superstar.” His WAR scores over the last five years: 1.1, 10, 1.5, 4.7, 1.3.
And then there’s his awful defense.
Mike Trout is what a real superstar looks like.
If you have to be Mike Trout to be a superstar…man. That is a high, high bar to clear.
Would you settle for Lindor? Ramirez? Kershaw? Kluber? Votto? Arenado? There’s a lot of guys who’ve been averaging higher than Harper and peaking near his peak. Some are even in his age group.
His inconsistency is hurting him, moneywise, because nobody knows who the real Harper is. He obviously has a high ceiling but how often will he reach it?
It’s a high risk proposition to give him $300M over ten years.
Not many teams can fit that in their budgets and if the few that can won’t…
It’s sad because Mike trout is best player and he is nowhere close to a superstar. MLB doesn’t market him or anyone. No one know what the trout looks like anywhere. Superstar is Lebron and Tom brady. Those guys can’t even walk down the street to the grocery store. MLB leadership is poor.
Guru, I totally agree that MLB doesn’t know how to market its young stars. I see Dak Prescott hawking soup, Cam Newton with yogurt, Antonio Brown singing on some reality show, Travis Kelce dancing at Mickey D’s. Do I see Carlos Correa? Corey Seager? Lindor? Kershaw? I don’t…
It *is* the market. We need to fix the CBA so that young players and old players alike get paid their due, rather than the current system where younger players get shafted on the predication that FA will make up for that. The market itself is totally broken, it barely even qualifies as a “market”.
It is a bit concerning that players’ public comments don’t reflect this point of view, though, but rather stick to the current “system”‘s flawed ideology.
A lot of hyperbole here. The market isn’t “totally broken.” At most, the market is off by a few percentage points as far as the players’ agreed cut of total baseball revenues (and even that hasn’t been shown yet). It isn’t even hard to fix going forward.
What will be “hard” to fix is the players’ efforts to overcompensate in the next deal to make up for any deficit in the current CBA.
Agree They will overcompensate and the owners are the ones that are causing this.
The “market” and the current CBA-dictated salary structure are two entirely different things.
The market is the free agent market, which is decidely NOT broken. Players are getting what they deserve – unfortunately for them, it’s not what they became accustomed to getting, as teams have finally gotten a lot smarter about who (and for how long and how much) they hand out big long term deals to.
But yes, I completely agree with your last sentence. They continue to insist that the current free agents should get paid, when what they really should do is just suck it up for a couple years (they have no say anyway), and work on changing the salary structure in the next CBA. There have been some good articles here about how to do that, but in general there’s one fundamental problem – if money is shifted from older players to younger ones, that will hurt small-market teams even more. Hopefully someone can find a solution.
Since 2015 Machado ranks as the 9th best position player. Of the guys ahead of him, Trout, Betts, and Lindor are the only ones who will probably be better over the next 5-10 years. He’s been a 6+ WAR player in 3 of the past 4 years. You can say that the 300M+ deal is too much, but Machado should be getting closer to 30M a year than he should be to 20.
It most definitely is the market.
If he was ok with $30M per year for 5 or 6 years, I’d bet a lot of money that there’d be no shortage of suitors. So yes, it’s exactly that a $300M+ deal is too much (which you seem to agree with).
That makes absolutely no sense. A 30/6 deal isn’t better than what he was offered, and it’s a pretty terrible offer. He’s easily worth 250-270M. I can think he’s not worth 300+M and at the same time think 30/6 is a terrible deal.
It wasnt “predicted” it was planted by Boras to trick our feeble little minds…..looks like it worked.
Why are players’ salary details publicly disclosed, anyway? We the public have no inherent right to this information and the vast majority of private employees are not required to publish their earnings. Is the publication of the salaries negotiated in the CBA or are there just hundreds of leaks every year? Lastly, consider who benefits the most from this information being out there.
lol – The answer to your sentence is quite obviously “the players.” If everyone at your employer knew what everyone else was making and what everyone at competing employers was making, then salaries would both be higher and more efficiently set.
It’s when salaries are confidential and can’t be traded among labor that owners have the advantage. That’s why employment agreements and some other types of agreements (e.g., partnership agreements) often have terms that restrict the exchange of salary information between employees. I assure you, that’s *not* for the benefit of the employees.
Boy did you miss that point. My point was not that the MLBPA should not have salary information — of course players should share that with each other. The point is there’s no reason why I have to know the salaries, nor do you or the rest of us members of the public. The public disclosure of salaries to fans doesn’t benefit players, but arguably it does violate their privacy.
Also, addressing your response to something I didn’t say: Players are restricted to 30 employers (FA) or just one employer (most players), all of which teams are in the same league and act only somewhat independently. The league itself is a legally protected monopoly. Most of us exist in a much freer market for our labor than baseball players.
Well, the Braves are publicly owned so some reasonable information about their labor costs and highest paid employees has to be made public. And there is certainly nothing prohibiting an employer from disclosing pay in most cases. Plus the CBA notes the percentage of revenue the players in sum must get paid so while that would not relate individual players, it would let the public know how much teams are spending (throw in luxury taxes, etc. and at the team level it becomes hard not to disclose).
Also, if fan interest in the game is increased by discussing salaries then disclosing this information can and will benefit players. There is no reason why we have to know this information but if we consume more baseball content, follow the sport more closely in the offseason, pay more attention to our team, etc. because we care about this information then it can easily benefit players in many ways.
Sports journalists have created an exciting off-season news topic to complement the entertainment providing the summer months. In the past, it seems like it there’s been a grey line, but, for example, the Nat’s Mark Lerner literally saying on radio that the team offered him 300/10, and he didn’t take it seems so actionable by other teams as to being clearly punishable. My conspiracy brain says that Ted Lerner agreed to a meeting just to clear Mark – ie Boras said, either have a credible meeting with us and then shut up or I guarantee there will be enforcement. And the Nats said sure. And Rizzo has been on message since. Mark Lerner has suddenly gone quiet.
I do think there’s something fishy about agents being able to lie publicly about offers on the table and teams not being able to refute those claims when they are implicated.
X-fckn-zactly……… Also Boras can come out and sing Harper a $400 mill contract distorting the publics view but the owners have to stay mum?
I cannot not read “CBT” the wrong way. No, the very wrong way.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt
Sorry.
Sheryl, what is the threshold to prove collusion amongst the owners/FOs? These public comments seem to boarder on collusion in plain sight amongst the front offices, even if not consciously done so.
good question. My thoughts are collusion was proven during the 80s and proven during the 90s. Its still going on today according to everyone in the industry, that is 100% fact….the teams are just smarter in how they do it. The problem with proving it is their is no smoking gun evidence. All of the evidence is circumstantial evidence……but thats still evidence nonetheless.
As an antitrust lawyer, I’m interested to see the response….
Many of the comments are made by players (e.g. Kris Bryant) so they are unlikely related to collusion by management.
Great article Sheryl!
Its really sad whats happening to MLB under the leadership of Manfred. The players will strike, their is nothing left for them to do the way the owners are violating the CBA like it doesnt exist.
Someone above made the comment about how they are wanting to shorten the game…….your time watching or at the ballpark will never be shortened. They are pissing on the fans and tellings us its raining. The real reason behind wanting to shorten the game is not to actually make it shorter, its because they want that extra time saved by installing a pitch clock to add in more commercials in those minutes. Just more money to MLB that the players wont see.
There is a reason Craig Kimbrel, Keuchel, Harper, and Machado have not agreed to any deals yet…sad what the owners are trying to do some of the games best.
Whats also sad is we have some of the games best players in MLB history playing right now and MLB cant market them. Machado and Trout would never be identified by a normal american if they set next to them on a plane or rode an elevator with them. At the same time NFL and NBA are having a field day making money and marketing their star players like Mahomes, curry etc. The sport has no star power due to MLB marketing or lack thereof.
MLB has major major problems and it stems from the leadership.
Its crazy these guys who are some of the best cant get a job and we are 2 weeks from pitchers and catchers reporting to spring training.
Manny Machado
Bryce Harper
Dallas Keuchel
Mike Moustakas
Craig Kimbrel
Marwin Gonzalez
Jose Iglesias
You say “can’t get a job” as if no team would take them at the league minimum. To state the obvious, they are unsigned for one reason – because teams aren’t willing to meet their asking prices, which is at least some cases, we know are exorbitant.
Weird that the players who actually had good seasons in 2018 like Corbin, Eovaldi, Happ, Ottavino, etc. had no trouble at all finding teams to pay them, huh?
Just like Barry Bonds couldn’t get a job after saying he would play for league minimum? Collusion.
This is liberalism at its finest, take a problem that doesn’t exist, create a mob affect, then spill out a bunch of emotions that you need to have blood spilled over to sleep well at night
No need to veer off into the ugly, hate-filled world of political discourse. (From either side)
Most fans of every team would like Machado and Harper on their team. Most teams could fit at least one of them into their budget. That the teams are indifferent to the wishes of their fan base indicates that teams think revenues aren’t dependent very much on winning or marketing star players. They might be right about that.
I’m not sure about that. Granted, I hang out at places like this where the fans are more intelligent, but I think most fans would want them *at the right price*. They know that yes, any team could fit them, but that means they won’t be able to fit other players, so it just becomes a question of resource allocation. Finally, there are fans (like myself) of big market teams that don’t want their teams to try to “buy a championship” by just going out and getting the best free agents available.
If my favorite team signed Trout or Betts to a $400 million contract, I would be happy about it.
If my favorite team signed Machado or Harper to a $250 million contract, I wouldn’t be very happy at all.
These guys are not legit superstars, no matter what the sports media tells you. They’re both prima donnas who think they’re much better than they are.
Machado has attitude and motivation issues, and he might actually be stupid. How else do you explain his: “I don’t want to play the position I’m a gold-glover at; I want to play the position I’m below average at” attitude? He had a strange, inexplicable down season in 2017, but did better in his walk year, though his defense became questionable enough that you can’t assume that he’ll just plug in as a gold glover again at 3B, even if he’s willing to play there. The big question is: how well is he gonna do after he gets his big payday?
When Harper isn’t missing blocks of time to injuries, he’s barely hitting his weight, and he basically looks and acts like the prototypical villain in a teen sports movie. I can practically see him knocking the lunch trays out of the hands of some nerds in the school cafeteria.
If my team is going to lay out a quarter billion dollars or more to keep a guy in “our” jersey for a decade, it’d be nice if there weren’t blinking warning signs that the guy will probably turn out like Ryan Braun–a guy who’s such a jerk, you don’t feel good about cheering for him, even when he does manage to play well. (That’s the guy we’re stuck with on my favorite team, so I know this firsthand.)
I applaud teams for not buying the agent-manufactured line that Machado and Harper are “worth” $300 million dollars over ten years. There are players who might be worth that and more, but these guys ain’t it.
This is where I think the argument gets off track, at least for me. I don’t put any stock into the attitude/prima donna stuff.
I like Bryce Harper as a player; he’s one of my favorites (and would be my favorite if he happened to play for my favorite team).
Harper’s problem (such that it is one, and I don’t think it is) is that his worth to teams in marginal wins and/or marginal revenue is not worth the salary that he’s reportedly asking for, and that’s how teams are deciding whether to sign him.
At this point, his agent is simply hoping for a vanity purchase. Certainly Boras has gotten them before, though that was before teams better understood the marginal win/revenue impact that signing FAs actually had. As well, the act of buying a baseball team is fundamentally a vanity purchase, so it is always possible an owner will submit to his baser instincts. For example, super-rich people still buy hugely expensive yachts, but it’s not because they’re good investments. Maybe Boras gets Lerner or some other owner to buy a yacht.
That’s fair. You’re entitled to like Harper. Lots of folks like him, apparently. I just can’t get there to join you on that. Maybe I’m too down on him for his king-of-the-fuckboys beard and haircut, his evil agent, and whatnot. I probably wouldn’t be so down on him if the sports press (seemingly at the bidding of his evil agent) weren’t constantly selling him as one of the game’s brightest stars, despite the fact that he clearly hasn’t performed to that level for the vast majority of his career. If he signed with my team, I might like him more than Braun, but definitely not as much as Cain, Yelich, and several other players.
And I don’t think you’ve quite put your finger on Harper’s dilemma in this market. It seems to me that his dilemma is that he wants teams to believe his expected marginal utility in terms of wins and revenue will be greater than his *actual* utility has been over the past 3 seasons. In other words, he wants teams to ignore the reality of the past 3 seasons. Plus (apparently) he’s holding out for 10 years, which no team would be wise to give him, given his risk profile.
I do agree that he’s hoping a team owner will intervene, against the wisdom of the front office, and make a vanity purchase. Problem is, even the owners can see he’s a bad buy at his price.
Yes, Harper (and his agent) “want teams to believe his expected marginal utility in terms of wins and revenue will be greater than his *actual* utility has been over the past 3 seasons.”
But I see no problem with that. He should do whatever he can to get the most money he can. If he wants to hold out for 10 years, he should do it.
Conversely, if no team wants to pay him that, I see no problem with it. And it is not a problem with the overall market or baseball or anything else.
Heck, what will probably happen is that he’ll sign a huge contract with Philly or Was, it won’t be quite as big as what his agent floated to his media lackeys, and we’ll see another round of question-begging narratives by writers (including here) about how baseball is broken, without actually showing why it is.
Again, the only potential “problem” here is not a problem for baseball itself, or fans, or competitiveness. The problem is only that the players, in total, will be getting a few percentage points less than their share of total baseball revenues, as implicitly agreed in the CBA.
Good post wonderful, but it’s 10% points , not a few , that equates to 1$Billion dollars the owners are pocketing. Divide that billion by 30 teams, and every single team should be signing 1 player at 30$MM Aav this year.
As for your first sentence, you say that, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it (and the evidence I have seen shows it not to be true).
As for your second sentence, it does not follow from your first, even assuming the first were true.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-mlbpa-has-a-problem/
Here is article from couple years ago showing it was ~40% and trending down. If using spotrac its roughly coming out to 40% this year too. Thats how i got my numbers. MLB revenue is 10.3 $B this year announced the other day. So 50% would be ~5$B spent on players, and its currently at ~4$B. That is where i got my extra 1$B from. Take that 1$B and divide by 30 teams and it comes out to roughly 30$MM more per team.
The article made some good points, but the math was off in the percentages. For one thing, it didn’t include benefits in player costs.
Bottom line – don’t believe what’s presented to you unless you dig into the numbers.
Regardless it’s still trending down….and everyone wonders why players are ready to strike.
Benefits? Ha health insurance that costs 25000 per player? You mean don’t believe it because it doesn’t confirm your stance. Don’t believe fan graphs? Or do You mean don’t believe it unless it’s written by someone coming out of New York City or the commissioners office with inflated and non transparent accounting procedures.
tbh, you might question whether you’re well informed about these things and whether bias is playing a role in your beliefs/comments. Player benefit costs in MLB now run close to the half billion $ range.
thats my whole point. Benefits do not cost that much. We need transparency on the books and accounting procedures. There have been numerous articles on the mlb accounting procedures here at FG and elesewhere over the years. I’ll save you time and tell you the highlights of them are that the accounting procedures are finagled and are a big black box. I’ll be dead before any of them open those up. I’m more informed than you could imagine.
The MLBPA sees the numbers and disagrees with you. Good day.
that won’t be agreeing with them this time and taking the mlb at their word, that i will tell you. They’ve hired the best accountants and attorneys in the country something they’ve never done before in prep for the upcoming negotiations a few years away.
Does anybody know how the MLB rumor mill (or NFL, NBA, etc) actually works?
Do media companies (ESPN, MLBtraderumors, etc) have paid informants on the various teams, feeding information in exchange for cash?
Do teams pay reporters (Heyman, Olney, etc.) to carry stories about “leaks” that the teams want released publicly?
There is such a constant demand for “sports rumors” that entire websites exist solely to report rumors. And based on the comments sections and talk radio, it seems that many of these rumors are accepted as being true.
How does anybody know which teams are making offers, how many years/dollars the offers are for, which players are being courted by “mystery teams”, etc.??? And why is so much of that type of information leaked to the public?
If I leaked information about my employer publicly, they would find out where the leak originated and fire me. How do sooooo many sports team leaks get out there? It seems absurd.
It’s the people that read it, US. I mean 70% of the content on MLBTR is just where a reporter states that a team’s GM is looking to add a (fill in the blank). Then the writers make assumptions and guess what it means. People read it than share it. Then more people write about it and more share it. It just spreads and spreads. People love it.
It’s just people making guesses essentially.
Agents leak fake offers and fake interest by mystery teams on any free agent that has a chance to sign something more than a one year deal. It works both ways
owners leak low ball offers as shown above trying to set the market low.. they don’t want to bid against themselves and other owners.
its quiet obvious what the real objective is……they are trying to get harper and machado to go to small market teams by colluding and controling the market offers. Small market teams can’t afford 400$MM.
Has anybody considered that the rumor might be real and it is Lozano who is lying?
Maybe he didn’t even present the deal to Machado and the leak was meant to make him question his agent?
Leaks and rumors, fake or real, can come from any of the parties in the negotiations or even an office worker on either side. The clause about identifying the leaker exists for a reason: nobody wants to be penalized for office gossip getting out. Plus everybody wants the option of letting it get out if it serves their agenda.
No angels on either side.
Free agency sucks and is boring, the yankme’s dodgers and Red Sox get all the high dollar players except a few loyal joe Mauer types who then seem to hamstring the team. This system is outdated the teams have properly evaluated there risks and the players haven’t. The players need to argue for a percentage of revenue and put 50% of that into a pool paid on performance. The best players get the most money the other 50% can go to current free agency pool to let teams bid on players aka build a team. In this manner the best players always make the most money if they are 18 or 42 if they perform they get paid. Teams will be investing half the guaranteed dollars each year to be competitive so they will make more splashes this time of year. Come on players union! Shake it up! This system will be similar to recruiting Ohtani, it’s not about the money it’s about the opportunity. More Fun!
Your columns have become required reading on this website—great job!
Personally, I think both Machado and Harper will return value commensurate with a 10 year $300 million contract (or better honestly). I hope my team signs one or even both of them at that price – though if they cost less I would be happy with that if the money was then used on other players. But, I can understand why a number of owners might disagree on the value proposition or why they seem to have little interest in 10 year deals.
We also don’t know if those players are asking for a lot of other things in the contract. Some team might be happy with 10 for $300 but if they have to give the player multiple opt outs then the only way they keep the player is if he underperforms. If you want a team to guarantee $300 million then perhaps they player can guarantee they will stay for the 10 years?
They’re trying to get them to go to small market team. I love how when Harper was seeking 400$mm at first the Phillies were all over it yeah we want him we want him, and then they offer upper 100s lol. Collusion
I’m still in shock and still can’t believe Yasmani Grandal was getting offered 13$mm/yr and had to settle for qo type. Sad. This guy is top c in baseball put up 5 war. His offers should’ve been 30mm/yr.
You know what I’m in shock about?
You have figured out how to post multiple inane comments here, but you apparently don’t know that you can go to the search bar at the top of this very page, type in “G-R-A-N-D-A-L”, click on the results that pop up, go to his player page, and easily see that he has never been worth anywhere near 5 WAR in any season.
Wrong. Baseball prospectus who valuates catchers correctly has him at 5 war. Fangraphs only tells you how good can a catcher hit. It’s long been discussed on here and well known fangraphs is archaic and useless when it comes to evaluating catchers.
Fangraphs WAR doesn’t include the value of pitch framing but it does include other aspects of catcher defense so it isn’t *just* how well catchers can hit but your point about total catcher value is fair and has been discussed here on a number of occasions.
Yet its perfectly fine for Boras to word vomit 400 mill into the air setting the stage- Gimme a break this is getting old, AAV is perfectly fine. Owners just dont want 10 year contracts and Hell thats THEIR choice not ours, and all the evidence supports them.
I know it gives a lot of you fuzzy feelings to “champion” the little guy but thats not the case here, both these players have fleas and are not worth a 10 year risk, bottom-line
Going into the next CBA negotiations both sides will have to determine what their interests are, how they’ll prioritize them, and then the negotiation strategy they’ll employ. Neither side is aligned as both sides have disparities in interests.
On the players side, the superstars are focused on historic deal benchmarks that contain dead money (for ownership) at the end, mid level veterans whose careers are being shortened, and young minor league, arb and pre-arb players who have little voice. In the age of advanced metrics the third category offers the most value to owners, where value is production over cost.
On the owners side, there are high revenue, mid revenue and relatively low revenue teams. Its important to remember the majority of revenue is locally generated (tickets and local TV revenue)- unlike football and to a lesser extent basketball where national TV contracts generate the majority of revenue.
There are lots of ways to address the current CBA “problems”, but, until each side aligns their strategy a deal will be difficult because they’ll be negotiating with each other until they do.
Clearly measures of value- meaningful statistics, aging curves, etc. have shifted the landscape. My thoughts: baseball has a competitive interest that needs to be balanced with the revenue underpinnings of the sport, we’re probably at a point where a revenue split number is necessary, arguing against concern of dead money is anti-metric, pre-arb and arb compensation needs to be addressed (but any solution is highly disruptive), and enhancing the pension system to include minor league players is costly but addresses the fairness advocates- many of whom frequently write and post on this site. For more information https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-nhl-nba-mlb-retirement-pension-plans-lockout-2011-1
Strictly speaking, didn’t Lozano violate exhibit 49 as well? Not that I think that is so bad, but if it is wrong for a team to talk about potential deals (or non deals) then it is also wrong for the agent.
Memo to Jake Arrieta’s tweet: the 1-3 year players aren’t ‘next’ to receive less than market value–they’re receiving less than market value right now, Son, which is depressing salaries across the board.
In the Veterans’ insistence to make sure new players stay cheap, they’ve only hurt themselves.
Very well said.
How likely is it that owners are simply looking at a wide variety of economic factors and coming to the conclusion that we’re likely heading into a recession in the next year or two, and that large capital investments in the entertainment business might not work out in the mid-term?
Given the legalization of baseball betting, I bet franchise owners are very bullish going forward (even if there’s a question about what direction TV revenues are going)
That makes sense, but I think NTBNL brings up a good point. Implicit in a lot of these discussions is that MLB revenues will continue to grow indefinitely, when it seems apparent that they are sitting on a cable bubble. That may or may not be the case, but at some point the growth has to at least slow down right? MLB is already worth more than some countries.
The average recession last 22 months. In terms of these longer-term contracts, that’s a blip.
The players agreed to the CBA believing they would be more valuable in their 30’s than they are. Peaks are getting earlier. Harper and Machado want what they are not predictably worth.
The MLBPA is fighting the wrong battle. They should not fight for today’s free agents. Sure, Harper and Machado are the exception. But even with last year, very few FAs actually worked out in the FIRSt year of their contract. The production has moved to the younger, team-controlled players. They should fight to bring more money to these guys (instead of just telling them, like Arrieta, that this is what is waiting for them…). Teams now realize that FA is for post-prime players in the majority of cases. Useful, some very good, but not the basis of a championship. Make free agency happen a lot sooner should be their mantra.
2016 “great investments”
• David Price: 7 years, $217M
• Zack Greinke: 6 years, $206.5M
• Jason Heyward: 8 years, $184M
• Chris Davis: 7 years, $161M
• Justin Upton: 6 years, $132.75M
• Johnny Cueto: 6 years, $130M
• Jordan Zimmermann: 5 years, $110M
• Jeff Samardzija: 5 years, $90M
• Wei-Yin Chen: 5 years, $80M
• Mike Leake: 5 years, $80M
• Yoenis Cespedes: 3 years, $75M
• Alex Gordon: 4 years, $72M
• Ian Kennedy: 5 years 70 mill
So were they off then or now?
You could probably fix this easily by actually enforcing the rule when an executive/player make a public statement, and you hold the TEAM rather than an individual responsible for the statement. I’m sure that teams getting hit financially will be more willing and able to track down the source of a leak and eliminate the problem than MLB as an organization would.
Just going by the above statements, Brodie Van Wagenen would be fined, Mark Lerner would be fined, Brian Cashman would be fined, Kris Bryant would be fined, and the ChiSox would get a fine for the anonymous leak.
I’m not a fan of players getting mega contracts, but I am an absolute fan of fairness, and when you have parties on both sides manipulating each other via that media against the rules that they all agreed to, well then, that’s just not fair to anyone.