Dan Szymborski FanGraphs Chat – 9/15/22
| 12:02 |
: It’s a-me, Szymio!
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| 12:02 |
: Gunnar flipping Henderson, am I right?!
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| 12:02 |
: Correct.
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| 12:02 |
: Is the Mets getting swept at home by the Cubs the most Mets thing the Mets could possibly Met?
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| 12:04 |
: I think the most Mets thing would have been if an outfielder threw firecrackers at a group of war widows and the GM got busted for going on a DUI bender with a mail truck
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| 12:04 |
: Is Taco Bell’s Mexican Pizza actually a pizza?
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| 12:04 |
: I’m not sure anything from there is actually food
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| 12:04 |
: Hey look we woke up.
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| 12:04 |
: beware beware the fifteenth of September. or something like that
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| 12:05 |
: Beware the Ides of September, that dark period every year when the Angels and Rockies become officially eliminated from the playoffs
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| 12:05 |
: at his current numbers, what percentile is albert pujols hitting on your zips projection for him this year?
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| 12:07 |
: 97.
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| 12:07 |
: The relative low PA is helpful
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| 12:08 |
: On the YES broadcast last night, they speculated the hitters will have more trouble adjusting to the pitch clock next year than pitchers will. Your take?
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| 12:08 |
: I think it’ll generally be a wash
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| 12:09 |
: And the fact is, if pitch clocks were really awful for hitters, then AAA offense “should have” been REALLY high
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| 12:10 |
: The PCL has an ERA of 5.40 this year
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| 12:11 |
: For players in the crazier parks in the PCL, the translation for pitchers will be approximately “their AAA stats” and hitters will be translated like AA guys
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| 12:12 |
: Are there any metrics behind the stats that lead Andrew Painter to sit outside the top 100 and 45+ FV?
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| 12:12 |
: Nothing that I’m aware of. ZiPS will almost certainly have him quite high in the top 100 next year
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| 12:12 |
: There are a lot of differing opinions on how the new rules are going to affect base running. Where do you fall on the spectrum, from “meh, little difference” to “chaos reigns (on the basepaths) remix ft head first & swim move”?
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| 12:12 |
: Mehish
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| 12:12 |
: Which version of Cid is your personal Definitive Cid? For me it’s FF4 Cid (bushy red beard)
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| 12:13 |
: Cid in FFVI, despite the fact that his outfit makes him look like a walking hot dog
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| 12:13 |
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| 12:14 |
: Cid in FFXII is my favorite *character* Cid
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| 12:14 |
: The Cubs have played .500 ball since the ASB….not too hard to see how some bigger free agent pieces would make things interesting next year.
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| 12:14 |
: I agree. ZiPS was interested in them and projecting them to finish in the high 70s in wins way more than the Reds and Pirates
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| 12:15 |
: though that’s not going to happen as .500 now only gets them into low 70s
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| 12:15 |
: Why don’t broadcasts and analytics show a 3d strike zone to accurately get clips of corners and curves that catch the front of the plate? Would robo-umps be susceptible to those?
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| 12:15 |
: They’re kinda tough visually as you basically need to do a lot of work rotating to get perspective
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| 12:16 |
: So they’re not visually appealing
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| 12:16 |
: Should Hunter Brown make the playoff roster?
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| 12:16 |
: He SHOULD
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| 12:16 |
: as I noted above, the PCL had a 5.40 ERA, so his performance is even better than it looked!
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| 12:16 |
: Back at it again with the whole “teaching” thing, so I’ll ask two quick questions and then leave. 1) Is it possible that Gunnar Henderson is still underrated around the more casual baseball community? Obviously been a small sample, but the projections love him and he just looks like *it*. 2) What’s one thing you wish your English teacher told you in high school?
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| 12:17 |
: By the casual community? Possibly, his name hasn’t been super hyped for very long.
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| 12:17 |
: The “inside baseball” community is certainly big on hiM!
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| 12:18 |
: 2.
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| 12:19 |
: “Make sure to not get berated by one of those jackbooted APA style thugs”
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| 12:19 |
: Do you believe in free will? How if at all do you think about probabilistic outcomes in your non-baseball life?
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| 12:20 |
: It’s complicated.
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| 12:21 |
: I don’t believe in free will in the context that our choices are determined by our internal programming, whether created from nature or nurture
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| 12:22 |
: but I still believe in moral responsibility, which isn’t necessarily compatible with that
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| 12:23 |
: I’m running a 57 wRC+ and 0.2 WAR. The team is 51-33 when I start and 25-32 when I don’t. Does WAR undervalue me?
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| 12:23 |
: I honestly don’t think so. Getting above replacement with *that* line is a lot of defensive credit!
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| 12:23 |
: Team start/don’t start really doesn’t work in any predictive sense
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| 12:24 |
: On a contender, is Christopher Morel a starter, a Zobristian regular, or a nice utility piece?
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| 12:24 |
: Valuable role player, I think
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| 12:24 |
: Do the 2022 playoff odds take into account the new tiebreaking scenarios?
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| 12:24 |
: I believe so. ZiPS does.
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| 12:24 |
: Keeper league, is Bellinger just cooked and not worth protecting NL Scoresheet 10 team League (13 slots)
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| 12:24 |
: In a 10-team league, I’m certain he’s cooked.
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| 12:25 |
: Replacement level in a 10-teamer is really high
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| 12:25 |
: Oh boy…a big time chat to get me through Thursday…what do I tell my friend, let’s call him Bodie, when he gets agitated about people saying Molina will be a HOF enshrinee one day? Bodie is particularly upset that Molina seems to be a foregone conclusion while someone such as Joe Mauer perhaps is not.
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| 12:25 |
: I think both should be in.
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| 12:26 |
: If keeping Mauer out is an injustice, should Molina really be subjected to a similar injustice because of bad voters?
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| 12:26 |
: We should induct as many deserving people as we can and then fight for induction of the ones who don’t get in!
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| 12:27 |
: We can still be happy that Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar were honored even if Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker have been horribly snubbed.
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| 12:27 |
: Hey Dan, how’s it going?
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| 12:27 |
: Fine!
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| 12:27 |
: Do you have a smoker or knowledge of smokers? My situation really only allows the possibility of an electric smoker but I’ve heard it’s not as good as a charcoal one.
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| 12:27 |
: I’m not a particular expert here.
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| 12:28 |
: I have an electric smoker too, because it’s convenient. I’m good at getting good results, but charcoal ones are obviously superior
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| 12:28 |
: Has Julio’s future projections gone up? How bad has Kelenic’s gotten?
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| 12:28 |
: They’re about the same. I did an article on him when he signed and that had projections!
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| 12:28 |
: Is Julio’s season a 90th percentile outcome? Higher, lower?
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| 12:28 |
: certainly lower percentile than that
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| 12:30 |
: I mean look at his preseason ZiPS projection with depth chart playing time!
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| 12:31 |
: He’s basically having ZiPS AVERAGE result! LOL
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| 12:32 |
: Which race (milestone, stats, division/postseason, etc) are you personally most interested in?
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| 12:32 |
: I totally want Judge to hit 61 and I’m not even a Yankee fan
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| 12:32 |
: Have the Braves tried turning Ronald Acuna off and then back on again?
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| 12:32 |
: Vaughn Grissom contract extension projection?
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| 12:32 |
: Is the AL 3rd wild card more appealing this year than the 2nd wild card? The central is not good.
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| 12:32 |
: Depressing, but yes.
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| 12:32 |
: All seeds should be record-based
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| 12:33 |
: I’m quitting my job in a week and haven’t told them yet. In the meantime, I’m here at DanChat. If the day ever comes that you left Fangraphs, and you wrote one last article on any topic you so desire, what would our last memory of you at Fangraphs be about?
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| 12:33 |
: April.
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| 12:33 |
: zips seems down on Oscar Gonzalez with no projected seasons of >1 WAR in the next 3. Assuming zips is not impressed by the plate discipline? And if so, how many more PAs roughly of current performance would it take for zips to change its mind?
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| 12:33 |
: Remember that the three years there are preseason!
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| 12:34 |
: You hear how Bradish watch Burnes on TV, and moved over on the rubber? Since then, ERA is low 2s, though the sample is smallish. Trying to piece a rotation together for 2023, and wondering if he’s earned a spot as of now.
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| 12:34 |
: I actually was unaware of his movement on the rubber and did not notice it
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| 12:34 |
: since the Zack Wheeler Cy Young talks last year I’ve been wondering, how important is innings Pitched? How much volume makes up for a higher era.
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| 12:34 |
: IP is important
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| 12:34 |
: Though it varies since writers are evaluating it
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| 12:34 |
: How much volume makes up for higher ERA is pretty much a WAR/RA9WAR question
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| 12:35 |
: Perhaps you have done this and I cannot find it now…is there a ZIPS for Pujols had he stayed in STL after 2011?
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| 12:35 |
: Hang on
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| 12:38 |
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| 12:38 |
: Am I the only one tired of MLB messing with the rules and the ball every season? It is starting to feel like Calvinball. Maybe I just wasn’t as tuned in in the 90s and 00s but it doesn’t feel like the offensive environment has these wild swings, and I am starting to suspect MLB’s tinkering has generated a feedback loop
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| 12:38 |
: I dont’ think the problem is necessarily rules changes.
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| 12:38 |
: Offense in baseball is largely “solved” in that there’s little style variation among the optimal route
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| 12:39 |
: The problem is when changes like the ball have no transparency, are somewhat arbitrary, and leaves the teams and players guessing what the equipment is like on a day-to-day basis
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| 12:39 |
: I beg to differ…three dimensions is very appealing
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| 12:39 |
: Nick Lodolo is getting me all hot around the collar…with his pitching skills. Are the Reds going to sniff .500 next year to give him some W support?
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| 12:39 |
: No
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| 12:40 |
: What was your favorite Mario game growing up? Is it still your favorite?
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| 12:40 |
: SMB3. Still is
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| 12:40 |
: I’ve seen 3d strike zones on a few broadcasts but only on replays not live
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| 12:41 |
: Favorite ballplayer with a Q somewhere in his name?
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| 12:41 |
: QUIZ
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| 12:41 |
: Would the O’s have won the AL Central?
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| 12:41 |
: Yes
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| 12:41 |
: Let’s say Albert finishes with 698 or so homers but short of 700. IF he returned next year, does he have a chance to chase down Ruth?
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| 12:42 |
: yes
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| 12:42 |
: Are you old enough to remember seeing Mark Belanger play? If so, how good did he look defensively?
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| 12:42 |
: I’m a couple years too young
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| 12:42 |
: I was born in 1978 and my first really solid *specific* baseball memories are in 1983
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| 12:43 |
: I’m sure he was on the screen when I was 3 and my dad was watching games on the living TV in 1981 and I probably looked in his direction, but I have no recall
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| 12:43 |
: And I doubt he would have impressed defensively at that point
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| 12:43 |
: In your estimation, the 2021 Giants played to their ___ percentile and the 2022 Giants are playing to their ___ percentile
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| 12:44 |
: >99th
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| 12:44 |
: I believe that in ZiPS they’re somewhere 25th-30th
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| 12:44 |
: In my lines of work I wish english teachers had emphasized the difference between active and passive voice and when to use each to best effect.
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| 12:45 |
: Whos’ your favorite actor/actress who will be forever known to you as in one role? For me, it’s the actor who played Ham Porter in “The Sandlot”. He’s a grown man now and I’ve seen him in some other things, but he will always be Hamilton Porter and my favorite.
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| 12:45 |
: And that boy grew up to be…Randy Levine
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| 12:45 |
: Geno Suarez went from being perceived as an albatross contract to now looking like one of the better contracts in the league, yeah?
In a larger sense, do we tend to too-quickly dismiss the idea of players re-emerging and reaching their former baseline level of play after a year(s) long slump, even if there are extenuating circumstances (injury, defensive position switch, playing for the Reds)? |
| 12:45 |
: I keep yelling at people about this, with the recency
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| 12:46 |
: Now, they didn’t project four wins, but all the projection systems had him at 2-3 wins this year
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| 12:46 |
: Any pair of MVPs fall off this much this fast who weren’t in their mid-30s at the start of it? Yelich is still able to get on base of course, but still.
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| 12:47 |
: I did a piece on sorta this!
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| 12:48 |
: I’m a little annoyed that he became quite mediocre just when I finally stopped occasionally calling him Clay
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| 12:49 |
: is there an easy way to compare the actual wins of a team versus their WAR “wins” (the total war of players + the 47.7) to see how much variance there is?
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| 12:50 |
: Adding? I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at
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| 12:50 |
: Imagine you’re a big league caliber pitcher on the mound facing Pujols. He’s at 699. Do you hang one (1) slider before getting down to business?
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| 12:50 |
: No way
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| 12:50 |
: You respect another athlete by giving them your best effort to beat them.
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| 12:50 |
: I agree with you re HOF, let them all in. I see 5 HOFers on this year’s Cardinal team with Lars Nootbaar having an outside shot.
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| 12:51 |
: Not everyone’s going to agree with me on the Pujols hanging slider, though.
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| 12:52 |
: I’m extraordinarily competitive. I grew up in a family that always gave me their best as a kid; my grandfather never went easy on me in chess and my dad never pretended that three-year-old Danny beat him at arm wrestling
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| 12:53 |
: I was livid in little league games at mercy rule games, on either winning or losing side
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| 12:53 |
: Re: freewill. I’m not fully convinced that humans are fully sapient as the term is generally understood. I think to many of our everyday responses are automatic in the sense they they are conditioned responses to external stimuli. This includes a lot of social interaction with others (especially small talk). I would say that most people are capable of sentience and thought but that it represents an atypical state. And, the majority of people spend the majority of their time in a more reactionary state
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| 12:53 |
: Did Bichette actually make a meaningful change to kick off this torrid stretch, or is it just baseball and he’s hot right now?
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| 12:53 |
: Baseball gonna baseball
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| 12:54 |
: So you’re telling me that the projections expected Julio to be this good. God damn, Julio is insane
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| 12:54 |
: I love what he’s doing anyway, but I can’t say I don’t also love that he made me not look stupid
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| 12:54 |
: I can’t put my thumb on the scale
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| 12:54 |
: so if ZiPS says something that loosk crazy, I have no recourse but to be smarter and do better!
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| 12:54 |
: Any thoughts on Kia vehicles? Trying to decide between a Toyota Sienna and a Kia Carnival for the family and I don’t know much about Kias.
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| 12:56 |
: Kia/Hyundai have gotten much better in the last 15 years. Now, the problems seem to be recent issues a CVT in a few cars
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| 12:56 |
: and a lot of the complaints now is about the dealer experience rather than the vehicles themselves
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| 12:57 |
: The Everyday Driver guys did the Kia Carnival
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| 12:57 |
: and savage geese did the Sienna
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| 12:57 |
: Time for NYY to finally exhale?
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| 12:58 |
: They should
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| 12:58 |
: Who you got for the MVPs?
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| 12:58 |
: I would vote for Judge in the AL
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| 12:58 |
: the NL is really tight between Arenado and Goldschmidt for me.
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| 12:59 |
: I may use 3B to break the tie as I think that based on the historical deviations between good and bad 3B defensively, generalized position adjustments possibly shortchange 3B by a run or two
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| 12:59 |
: How great a job did I do trading Juan Soto?
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| 12:59 |
: For having to trade Soto, the return was quite soldi
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: What’s the worst team that could have won the AL Central this year?
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| 1:00 |
: Probably the O’s based on current roster strength
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| 1:01 |
: based on current team record, the Red Sox?
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| 1:01 |
: 1-10, panic meter for my performance ROS
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: 2
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| 1:01 |
: For players with a Q, I was a fan of ole Quetzalcoatl Johnson from the St. Louis Brown Stockings
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| 1:01 |
: Do cats say meow or do they speak meow?
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| 1:01 |
: Everything is meow
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| 1:01 |
: like marklar on south park
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| 1:01 |
: Cat update?
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| 1:03 |
: Cassiopeia was sleeping on a pillow in the TV room upstairs. Mercutio is sleeping on the floor in that room on the crinkle mat after Cassie smacked him for sniffing her while she was sleeping there.
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| 1:04 |
: Last I saw Constantine, he was sleeping in a closet after being pissed off because my mom stopped by this morning and tried to take his seat and he gave her a little chomp and she shouted a bit
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| 1:04 |
: Justinian was down here, but at the start of the chat, he tried to climb some boxes and they all fell over and I yelled “goddammit” and he booked it upstairs
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| 1:05 |
: What were the ZIPS chances I would have a better season than Julio Rodriguez?
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| 1:05 |
: Fairly low, I’m sure
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| 1:05 |
: I’m not quite set up to answer that one quickly
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| 1:05 |
: What is your philosophical stance on the shift ban? And in a practical sense, doesn’t it reward the pull-heavy, TTO sluggers that we are supposedly trying to move away from?
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| 1:05 |
: I used to be against it, but I’m less so now.
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| 1:07 |
: If Randy Johnson came out of retirement today, would he still be good enough to win the Royals’ 5th starter job?
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| 1:07 |
: Probably not
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| 1:08 |
: this’ll sound cold but if you owned the white sox, would you want TLR to return this season?
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| 1:08 |
: No
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| 1:08 |
: What should Astros do with 1B next year?
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| 1:08 |
: They should probably have one or pitcher BABIP in grounders goes WAY up
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| 1:08 |
: If fielders were allowed to line up in foul territory, is there ever a situation where you think a team might employ it? Aside from “Joe Maddon gets another job and just wants to” type scenarios, of course.
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| 1:08 |
: I suspect no
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| 1:09 |
: Because the consequences of missing a foul are less than missing a ball in play
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| 1:09 |
: Favorite food in greater Baltimore area?
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| 1:09 |
: steamed crabs duh!
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| 1:09 |
: Though I probably get pit beef more
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| 1:09 |
: because steamed crabs *is* a whole production and messy and expensive
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| 1:09 |
: and with pit beef, you get the sandwich, you eat the sandwich, and then you move on with your day
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| 1:10 |
: Do the rule changes change anyone’s ZIP in any significant way?
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| 1:10 |
: Nobody would need to shift enough as I dont’ believe any zip code borders are within a stadium
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| 1:10 |
: I eat another pit beef after the first pit beef
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| 1:10 |
: The Subway near Inner Harbor is legit. Better than anything at Chaps. Messing.
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| 1:11 |
: On that note, it is time to end the chat for another weke.
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| 1:11 |
: Thanks for coming everyone!
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Dan, if a rookie performs exactly as the ZIPs predicted in the first year, how would that affect the future projection? Does it not change, or would it improve because of the increased certainty? My hunch is the latter but not sure. Thanks!
All else being equal, it should improve it, especially playing time. Though it depends on the risk profile of the prospect.