D’Backs Land Yasmany Tomas
After weeks of rumors linking him to the Phillies, Braves, Padres, and Giants, Yasmany Tomas has reportedly signed with the Arizona Diamondbacks, according to MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez. The deal guarantees Tomas $68.5 million over six years, but critically, it apparently contains an opt-out after the fourth year; a concession which may have allowed the D’Backs to sign Tomas for less than the reported asking price.
Kiley McDaniel wrote up Tomas back in September. I’ll quote liberally from that piece here:
The consensus is that as a prospect Tomas ranks behind White Sox 1B Jose Abreu, who got six years and $68 million before the season, as Tomas is a riskier bat with less of a track record and a little less raw power. Many scouts prefer (Rusney) Castillo, who got seven years and $72.5 million last month, as Castillo is a plus-plus runner that can play an up-the-middle position and is a little better bet to hit for some scouts, as well.
That said, Abreu and Castillo were both signed for their age-27 seasons while Tomas will be 24 next year and should be big league ready at some point in 2015. Scouts on the low-end for Tomas mention Dayan Viciedo as a comparable while more scouts think Yoenis Cespedes is a better offensive comparison, though Cespedes is quicker-twitch athlete with more speed and defense value.
While Kiley was attempting to compare and contrast the recent Cuban free agents for market valuation reasons, his projected peak line is almost a dead ringer for what Justin Upton has done in the big leagues, as I noted last week. Kiley’s guess of a .275/.350/.480 would equal out to about a 130 wRC+ in a neutral park, so even if he’s a minor defensive liability, that line would still make Tomas an above average player, probably in the +3 WAR range.
However, reports suggested that some teams felt that he profiled more as a DH, and if the defense is more Michael Morse than Brandon Moss, that could limit his overall value, especially in the National League. Whether this turns out for Arizona might depend entirely on how well he’s able to field his position; the D’Backs probably don’t need another Mark Trumbo, though Tomas will also expected to be a better hitter.
With just four team-controlled years, the D’Backs are buying Tomas’ age 24-27 seasons, and allowing him to potentially hit free agency again at perhaps the peak of his career. This seems like a near perfect fit for Tomas, as he gets $68 million in guaranteed money if he sucks, and yet he still gets a chance for a mega-contract if the power is as advertised. The opt-out could even give him the leverage to renegotiate into a much-larger deal with Arizona in a year or two if he follows the Cespedes/Puig/Abreu career path, as I’d imagine the White Sox would already be looking to tear up their deal with Abreu if he was only three years away from free agency.
By giving the fourth year opt-out, the D’Backs are limiting their own upside if Tomas hits, while still taking on all the risk associated with projecting performance from a guy who has never played in the U.S. before. However, a $68 million risk isn’t really that substantial of an investment anymore, and if he hits like scouts have been projecting, he should easily be worth the contract before he opts out. If Arizona backloaded enough of the money so that they can substantial value in the first four years of the deal, then the benefits could easily be worth the risk.
If Tomas is more of a DH than an outfielder, or if his raw power isn’t accompanied by a decent approach at the plate, the D’Backs could end up paying $68 million for a player who might fit better in the AL. That said, even if that does prove to be the case, he’d probably still have some appeal to teams in the junior circuit, and the price tag is low enough that he shouldn’t be too terribly hard to move if it comes to that; after all, we just saw Billy Butler get 3/$30M from the A’s, and Tomas has now signed for a similar annual average value.
Cuban free agents have proven to be remarkable bargains of late. The opt-out will serve to make this one less of a bargain, most likely, but it still seems like a reasonable risk for the Diamondbacks to take. $11 million per year for right-handed power might quickly look like a bargain if the rest of the skillset is even reasonably passable.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Am I dumb or did anyone see this coming?
nope, arizona was far from anyones radar (at least not the most notable teams going after him). We also all expected more money. I am not shocked he got the lower end, i thought the 100m was really high for a guy with a ho hum track record and the only stand out was a 70 raw power. My fear was Chris Davis early in his career (AAAA power bat)
So what’s the D’backs outfield look like next year? Tomas, Pollock, Trumbo starting with some combination of Peralta/Inciarte/Ross on the bench? Or is someone getting shipped out now?
Can’t see a way Trumbo doesn’t get moved at this point.
He has no value right now. They’d be taking a loss. Nice, AZ. Nice job. Poor management.
The DBacks are full of albatrosses with little to no value that the new management is stuck with. There’s a lot of cleanup Stewart and Co got stuck with.
Stewart and Co don’t seem to be doing a very good job at cleaning up. They seem to be trying to patch together a contender from nothing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t AZ under different management when they made that ill-fated Trumbo trade?
Regardless, whatever it cost to acquire Trumbo is irrelevant to whether they should trade him or not.
AZ needs to move several people, Trumbo most of all.
They did not need to do this. This was a stupid decision. Their OF was fine with Inciarte, Pollock, and Peralta/Trumbo. FINE. This is a waste of money on a player we don’t know much about. Why not go out and spend that $ elsewhere and actually address other important needs? New management is just like the old management in AZ, apparently. Atrocious.
Or they see a baseline of Trumbo with much upside. That in and of itself could make it worth the gamble.
If nothing else, comparing this move to something Towers would do is crazy. KT loved high floor guys and low cost reclamation projects. This is the type of high risk / high reward move the DBacks have avoided like crazy the last 4 years.
The DBacks didn’t get much of his upside, but they got all of his downside. Player opt outs can be extremely expensive, this is one of the worst ones because his bust potential is so high. Really dumb deal by Stewart to address one of his least pressing needs.
I would argue that the D’backs biggest need right now is assets, regardless of position or skillset.
What kind of asset is a unproven middling Cuban prosoect on a $40M+ ish 4 year deal who gets a 2 year $25M+ ish bonus if he’s hurt or sucks? Tomas is less an “asset” than Trumbo.
It’s like saying you need more assets so you leased a car.
“we” don’t know much about isn’t the same thing as the Diamondbacks not knowing much about him.
I disagree. $11 million in today’s game just doesn’t get you much in free agency. I think the risk/reward is worth it for Dbacks. Worst case scenario he’s probably a Morse type player and he has made about $20 million the last 3 seasons. Best case he’s a $25 million player signed for $11 million.
if that is the case, he opts out in 4 years. If he busts, then it is 68m in sunk cost.
It is a risk, i would have rather not seen him have the opt out, but my bet it is why he took that offer. 4 years at 10m per is actually a good deal for arizona, the 2 opt years are the scary part. If he busts, you are in it for 6 years, if he explodes then it is only 4 years.
Cuban translated stats don’t like him. Career OPS of 850 in Cuba = bad. Last season OPS in the 850s range.
For comparisons, Abreu OPSd 1500 and cespedes OPSd 1100 before they came over.
So no, this guy has no shot in becoming the next Abreu, and very little of the next Cespedes.
This. Why has nobody mentioned this? If Cespedes was a better hitter in Cuba and has a career triple slash of .263/.316/.464, I don’t see any reason why Tomas would be projected to be better.
Must be that dreaded “p” word. Potential.
Yasmany had Cuban slashlines of .301/.340/.580 at age 21, and .346/.403/.638 at age 22. (His MLB Davenport Translation for the 2013 season was a fairly robust .273/.310/.515.)
The plate discipline markers are middling, but there’s real actual potential — especially since Thomas played in a pitcher-friendly park unless I’m mistaken.
You (or Clay) are missing Yasmani’s 42 games in the second round of 2012 and all of the post-season.
Grouping all data by season
Year Age BA/ OB/ SA PA HR IBB BB SO
2011 20 298/340/581 294 20 1 16 57
2012 21 289/364/538 324 15 10 34 52
2013 22 286/343/444 268 6 8 22 49
It appears that Oliver’s Cuban translation treats the BB/SO ratios much harsher than Davenport.
Tomas must make contact in order to show any level of MLB production. This is yet to be seen.
Oliver Peak (Age 27) value MLEs
Year wOBA BA/ OB/ SA HR% BB% SO%
2011 275 218/239/412 071 024 332
2012 259 205/238/370 046 035 310
2013 225 197/219/297 020 022 355
Thank you for the corrections, Mr. Cartwright. Are the complete Cuban Series numbers (incl. playoffs) publicly available gratis? Thank you once more.
Also: Attention Beneficiary!
The stats are on on a couple different Cuban websites, if you know where to look.
I am providing the standard batting, pitching and fielding to Baseball-Reference, and we are currently working on getting them published, in the very near future, gratis to you.
Any additional detail – splits, play by play n’at, you have to pay me for.
The Dbacks outfield is fine? While Peralta and Inciarte are good finds its not a sure thing Inciarte could have problems hitting and while he’s great fielding it looks like they are slotting him away from cf due to Pollock. Adding another outfielder to the mix who can hit is not a bad thing. If tomas hits like scouts think he will he’s gonna look awfully good. You guys should find plenty of at bats to the point you might be able to trade trumbo come mid-season if he turns it around.
Sanchez put Tomas with J.Upton,or more likely M.Byrd.Plus power,swing and miss,with poor on base.Add sub-par defense.Would appear D-Backs are paying for pure right handed pop.
If it is the byrd of the past 2 years (not the entirety of his career before that) then this is not that bad. a livable average with 20hr, that now goes for about 10m in the FA market, even if it comes from a LF (butler is a .300 hitter with 15-30hr power, normally less, no ability to play the field and he got 3/30)
I think they can move Trumbo. Not for much but they’ll find a taker. Right hand power with two reasonably priced arb years left they’ll find an AL team that wants a RH platoon DH. Billy Butler just got a 3/30 contract for Gods sake. They’ll have to settle for a couple lower level prospects but moving him is the right thing to do. Chalk another winner up for KT. (Trumbo for Eaton/Skaggs). If Skaggs didn’t blow his elbow out that trade would really look like a disaster.
Cuban K rates around 20%? Puig, Cespedes, and Abreu all had low-teen K rates and had many seasons where they walked more than they K’d. Getting struck out by soft tossing Cubans is major warning sign here.
Tomas is a huge risk to ever hit in the majors IMO. This deal will be laughed at in a year or two.
So Braves fans are trying to figure out what happened… evidently the Braves would not agree to the opt-out. I don’t blame them since, for a young player, the opt-out is a lose-lose for the club. Saying that, one problem with a contract that contains an opt-out is that you can’t figure the AAV just from the total money and length — it depends on which side of the opt-out which buckets of money are on, and the exact details of the opt-out provision. I’d be curious to hear Dave Stewart explain what the club’s thinking was here and how they plan to manage the risk.
The D-Backs probably bailed out what was going to be another bad decision by the Braves front office.
Could be. The numbers that were flying around were a lot higher than what Arizona got him for.
The early rumors were the Phillies were going to sign him. Given RJA even cooled on him should have sent warning flags up.
good thing people here can be objective…
Well this is kind of silly analysis, but you even got it backwards.
If RJA were smart and cooled on him, it would be somewhat valid anecdotal evidence. Given his penchant to make bad deals, it would make more sense to say that if RJA is willing to pay it and nobody is willing to beat it then it may be a bad deal.
What’s the opposite of appeal to authority arguments? When you use RJA as your “authority”.
Why are you all calling him Ruben Jr. Amaro?
The opt out is silly on the part of Arizona. They are buying all the downside and selling a good portion of the upside.
I was similarly critical of the Cespedes deal, which worked out, but this is a bridge too far for me.
This is a great deal for AZ. Hopefully it works out for them but I think at a minimum this guy is going to hit big league pitching.
Final numbers may have had something to do with over exposure. MLBTR originally projected him at around 7/105, then the scouts got good looks at him and some, as stated above, saw a DH with S&W issues and questionable D, which narrows his market. Arizona or maybe Baltimore would be best for that package and a gig at the K would risk having his power diminished and defense outed. Arizona is likely the perfect place for him to build value and opt out after four.
Just heard Josh Donaldson got traded to the Bluejays!!! Am I dreaming? If so, this acquisition dwarfs all other hot stove news, as of this writing.