Dee Gordon as the Poor Man’s Billy Hamilton
Just like any reasonable person would’ve expected, the Los Angeles Dodgers currently have sole possession of first place in the National League West. And just like any reasonable person would’ve expected, right now the Dodgers’ team leader in wRC+ among regulars and semi-regulars is Dee Gordon, at 174. As a neat bit of ephemeral trivia, Gordon’s wRC+ is 43 points higher than his 2012 wRC+ and his 2013 wRC+ combined. And by combined, I don’t mean averaged out. I mean added together. Through two weeks, the Dodgers’ biggest weakness has been one of their biggest strengths, and this is an example of why the playoffs don’t crown the best team in baseball. Sometimes, over little samples, Dee Gordon out-hits Hanley Ramirez.
Some more neat ephemeral trivia: Before the season started, Steamer projected Gordon for 0.3 WAR. Meanwhile, ZiPS projected Gordon for 0.7 WAR. Already, Gordon’s been worth 0.6 WAR, so he can be replacement-level from this point forward and the Dodgers won’t be worse off than they were expected to be. Following about a season’s worth of games of being terrible, Gordon’s gone from busted prospect to contributor, and he even went so far as to hit a legitimate home run off Max Scherzer. Sunday, he did something more his own speed.
Leading off against Trevor Cahill in the first inning, Gordon drew a walk. He subsequently attracted Cahill’s attention, and as Yasiel Puig struck out swinging, Gordon stole second base.
Gordon drew another walk in the third, with one out. With Puig at the plate, Gordon stole second for the second time.
He then almost immediately stole third.
At last, in the sixth, Gordon bounced a one-out single. This time Randall Delgado was on the mound. And this time, Gordon didn’t wait for a pitch to move up 90 feet.
Gordon finished spring training with nine steals in nine attempts. Now, he’s the current major-league leader, with nine steals in 10 attempts. He’s always been a base-stealing threat, with the limiting factor being the need to get on base in the first place. Now Gordon’s OBP is closer to .500 than .400, and as a side effect, he’s been running like a crazy person.
Of course, the man at the center of most stolen-base conversations these days is Billy Hamilton. There are people who allege that Hamilton gets from first to second quicker than anyone ever, and even if Hamilton’s speed isn’t genuinely unprecedented, he’s a base-runner like none other in the game today. He’s a base-runner capable of getting people deeply interested in base-running, and he’s a base-runner capable of the completely and utterly absurd. It stands to reason Hamilton is kind of like the Babe Ruth of running the bases. He probably represents almost the maximum of human ability. If Hamilton is the ceiling, then Gordon is a poor man’s equivalent, which might not be a bad overall comparison.
Which, as it happens, isn’t great news for Dee Gordon, since we still don’t know if Billy Hamilton is going to be able to hit enough to stick around as a regular. That’s with Hamilton being basically unparalleled in one core skill. Gordon’s hitting now, but he’s also hitting most balls in play on the ground, and he also has a negative career WAR with sloppy defense. The burden of proof is on speed players to demonstrate they can make a consistent and significant contribution. Gordon needs to produce over more than 46 plate appearances. But this isn’t intended as an analysis of Gordon’s profile. I’m still skeptical of Gordon’s profile. Rather, I wanted to try to find differences between Gordon and Hamilton as base-stealers.
We know Gordon is one of the fastest runners in the game. We know that about Hamilton, too. We know Gordon has been caught in 20 of 95 big-league steal attempts. Hamilton is 15 out of 17. Observers have timed Hamilton between 3 seconds and 3.2 seconds from first move to reaching second base. I’ve timed Gordon around 3.2 seconds to 3.4 seconds. These are good, quick times, but tenths of a second matter when it comes to trying to move 90 feet. Some of the difference is probably that Hamilton just runs faster than Gordon does. But what if we look beyond that?
Here are a couple screengrabs, with Gordon and Hamilton and pitchers with their knees up:
Both runners have started their motions. But Hamilton’s body is almost fully turned to second, while Gordon’s still rotating his shoulders. Hamilton’s right foot is under him, and his left foot is off the ground. Gordon’s right foot is just coming up, and his left foot appears fully planted.
Hamilton, then, seems to have gotten the quicker read. That allowed him to start his motion sooner. Also, there’s another thing: Watching a few Gordon steals, I counted 14 to 15 frames between his right foot coming up and his left foot touching back down in stride. With Hamilton, it was more like 11 frames — which makes for a difference of about a tenth of a second. The evidence would suggest Hamilton both got the quicker read and had a quicker first step. The slowest part of any steal attempt is the very beginning, and Hamilton completes that stage as quickly as possible. Gordon clearly isn’t slow, but the difference here isn’t all about sprinting. Hamilton also just starts sprinting sooner.
Not that there’s a ton to conclude from this, since I didn’t look at every single steal attempt by Dee Gordon and Billy Hamilton, and since every steal and every pitcher is different. Maybe Hamilton isn’t always that quick. Maybe Gordon isn’t always that slow, relatively speaking. But look above, at Gordon’s fourth steal. Or, I’ll just re-embed it below:
On this stealth steal, Gordon achieved a Hamilton-esque time down to second base. He also never faced the pitcher, so he never had to turn to build his momentum. Dee Gordon went in a straight line in about the amount of time it takes Billy Hamilton to turn and do the same. That’s the difference between one of the best base-runners in baseball and the very best base-runner in baseball.
The original idea wasn’t to turn this into another post about Billy Hamilton. But he just has a way of showing up when you don’t expect it. Sunday afternoon, Dee Gordon did something really terrific. Hopefully, he proves good enough to last in the majors. If he can, Hamilton certainly can. And if he can’t, well, Hamilton still has a chance.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.






coincidentally, both Hamilton and Gordon started their careers as shorstops and moved to different positions as well. There’s definitely a parallel for both speedsters, perhaps Dee has learned how to hit a little, and perhaps Billy will also adjust with experience.
It’s been fun watching them when they get on base though.
So its a comparison of the Babe Ruth of base-running vs the Miguel Cabrera of base-running (off the charts vs an 8 on the scouting scale)
What? Paully “Iron-gated-latch” Konerko is the worst base runner of all-time? Coincidentally, I am very stupid and pee my pants on occasion.
Ahem
Sweet Dee is Billy Hamilton but is good at getting on base and has the ability to play Middle Infield
Good* at getting on base might be pushing it a little bit for a guy with a .311 career OBP.
Both were fairly lousy shortstops in the minors. Gordon converted to a lousy second baseman and Hamilton converted into a center-fielder whose defensive abilities have not yet been determined, but so far pretty decent. Advantage Hamilton.
As far as Gordon being good at getting on base, 46 plate appearances this year to the contrary, he has not been.
Lousy second baseman? What do you base that on?
He’s played all of 93 innings there and has looked solid so far.
A UZR/150 of -46.3, -26 DRS.
Based on fairly contentious stats that even their defenders concede needs multiple seasons to stabilize. But so far, so bad.
Dodger fan here, and I wouldn’t say he’s been solid. He gets fewer balls hit to him basically.
I read that Gordon put on 10-15 points this offseason by lifting, but also by not playing basketball in the offseason. In prior offseasons, he would play hoops after working out so he never gave his body a chance to add weight. Something to watch as the season goes on and in future seasons. If he can add more weight and make stronger contact, he could be a solid bench player for the Dodgers, assuming Guerrero can play 2b effectively.
Dee Gordon does have shoulders now. I don’t know if you absolutely need those to hit, but I imagine they help.
Great article, Jeff. I hope Gordon and Hamilton stick in the Show all season, if only to give you more granular ways to parse their similarities and differences.
Didn’t watch the game, but in the very first GIF it sure looks to me like Puig was in the way of the Arizona catcher who was trying to throw. Was he called for interference or was he just not that in the way in reality?
I wish Billy Hamilton a long and prosperous baseball career mon.
If Dee Gordon has a career year and blows away expectations, he would be sort of a poor man’s Maury Wills. Which was good enough to win an MVP once. But still a very fragile skill set to build an MLB career on.
I know it’s only 46 plate appearances, but there’s reasons to think Dee might be able to get on base enough to stick. There’s been a definite change in approach at the plate that seems to play to his strengths (basically, speed). Time will tell if these changes are permanent
For one thing, his walk rate has risen every season, from 3% as a rookie to 6% in 2012 to 9.4% last year. Based on his swing rates, it appears that trend will continue, as he’s swinging at far fewer pitches outside the zone without lowering his in-zone swing rate much. That has lead to seeing more pitches per plate appearance than ever before. We know that plate discipline stats stabilize far faster than most other stats – in about 50 plate appearances, which is about where we are for the season.
He’s hitting the ball on the ground far more than ever before, which is imperative for a speed player. While we know he’s not going to maintain a .441 BABIP, we also know ground balls have a higher BABIP than fly balls, especially for speedy players who might cause the infield to rush a throw and make an error.
He put on 15 pounds of muscle in the off season, and by both ISO and the eye test, he seems to be hitting the ball with a bit more authority. No, he’s not gonna be a slugger, but there’s a big difference between a career ISO of .061 and his current ISO of .125.
I know that Dee has not been good at all to this point. I know 46 plate appearances is nearly worthless. But I see reasons to believe he can be a successful, and I hope he continues to be.
Yeah, it’s like the baseball world (including the Dodgers) collectively overlooked his11.8% BB rate and .094 ISO in AAA last year to go along with a 9.4% BB rate in the majors. AAA stats and small sample caveats and all that are certainly appropriate, but if he can get on base at a league average rate or better he should be pretty valuable.
While the BB% may be encouraging, a .094 ISO in Albuquerque translates to like a negative ISO in Dodger stadium.
Producing better results is expected when an older player repeats a level. If the numbers are not improving, the player is evaluated as being even worse.
“The original idea wasn’t to turn this into another post about Billy Hamilton. But he just has a way of showing up when you don’t expect it.”
Everyone was expecting it; the title gives it away.
Nice GWAR tribute. FG needs more of those.
I know ~50 PA amounts to very little, but Dee Gordon looks like a different player out there this season. He’s walking more and striking out less, two of the first rate stats to stabilize. Looking to a larger sample, his OBP last season at AAA was .385.
Billy Hamilton, on the other hand, looks lost out there. His walk rate is down, his K rate is up. His OBP last season at AAA was .308. He looks like a one-tool player, a la Esix Snead.
So I don’t think the “poor man’s” comparison is valid. Yes, they both steal a lot of bases, but at this stage, Gordon clearly has the better bat. Gordon is 25 and Hamilton is 23, so there’s still time for Billy, but it might take him a couple of seasons to develop the skills necessary to play every day.
EMILIO BONIFACIO…homeless man’s Hamilton
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Hi Bip!
I watched this game, and it was really great to see Gordon on the bases do some things of which we know he is capable.
This game was a running adventure in general. Puig stole second with the worst jump of all time. Pollock (I think) hit a lazy should-be-single to center and took advantage of Matt Kemp’s occasional lack of immediacy to stretch it to a double. Then Parra straight up embarrassed Dan Haren by throwing him out at first… from right field. 9-3 putout.
They both seem like Dee Gordon to me.
picked up Gordon, Rendon & Alexei Rameriz to fill out my infield…hope they hold up…especially Dee
Interesting. Have you made any subsequent moves?