Diagnosis: Johnny Cueto
The Dodgers lead the Giants by six games in the loss column. That’s a pretty secure lead, with a month left to go. The Mets lead the Nationals by six games in the loss column. Same thing. The Royals lead the Twins by 12 games in the loss column. It’s also the same thing, except twice the amount, so if ever a team could afford to coast, it’s Kansas City. They’re more or less a playoff lock, so while the players can’t exactly look a few weeks ahead, you could forgive the fans for doing so. These games don’t mean very much, and all that’s important is getting everyone right. With that in mind, Johnny Cueto is causing some concern.
Let me say that again: these games don’t mean very much. People won’t care if Cueto keeps his struggles isolated to a few weeks in the regular season. But Royals fans want to be sure that Cueto’s going to be okay for the playoffs. That’s why the team got him. He got off to a good-enough start, but lately things have taken a turn for the worse. We’re talking about his last three games. He’s posted an 8.47 ERA, third-worst in baseball over the last two weeks. He’s allowed a .380 average, first-worst in baseball over same. Cueto’s whole game in the past has been limiting hits, so given what’s happened, we might as well investigate, because, what’s the harm?
Mostly, I think, people want to know if Cueto’s hurt. He had an elbow issue earlier on, and he’s no stranger to the occasional ache and/or pain. Nothing here can conclusively say whether Cueto’s structurally sound. The only true tests are performed on Cueto’s actual body. What can be seen from here is that Cueto’s velocity is basically fine. His movements are basically fine. His release points are basically fine. The normal indicators aren’t present, and while that doesn’t rule out some sort of injury, it reduces the likelihood. I don’t think that Cueto is hurting.
But here’s what we have. Let’s focus on average allowed, because, as silly as batting average can be, it can still tell a story, especially for a pitcher who’s previously specialized in hit prevention. A rolling-average plot for Cueto’s career, taking things in three-start chunks:
Clearly, this isn’t something that’s never happened. Cueto’s had sharp spikes before, as you’d expect. But it has been a little while, and, from another perspective, Cueto’s allowed at least a .300 average in three consecutive games. That hasn’t happened since 2009. This goes a little beyond normal fluctuation, which is why some people are a little more worried. It’d be one thing to see 20 hits over three games. It’s something else to see 30.
Yet, I’ve prepared for you a quiz, with the help of Baseball Savant. I think the consensus is that early with the Royals Cueto was good, and more recently he’s been bad. Below are two images, showing Cueto’s pitch locations in his first four Royal starts, and the locations in his last three Royal starts. Which is which? There’s a poll!
Image A
Image B
I’m not going to give you the answer here. Sort that out for yourself. I think they look pretty similar. If you don’t, you’re either lying, or you’re amazing. Seems to me, it’s not like Cueto has fallen into this nasty habit of grooving everything. Nor is he throwing too many balls, forcing him over the plate in hitter-friendly situations. You want to see something ridiculous? I’ll show you something ridiculous.
First, the less-ridiculous: Cueto’s batting average allowed on pitches in the strike zone.
- With Reds: .256
- Early Royals: .265
- Recent Royals: .333
Okay, a little bit of inflation. Now, his batting average allowed on pitches out of the strike zone:
- With Reds: .123
- Early Royals: .186
- Recent Royals: .425
It’s nuts. It’s a small sample, of course, but anything over three starts is a small sample, and this one catches the eye. Cueto has been getting swings at balls. But a lot of those swings have resulted in base hits, and while, sure, some of that could be flat pitches, or bad sequencing, you have to figure luck plays a huge role. Batters generally don’t want to go out of the zone. Pitchers generally want batters to go out of the zone. Cueto has gotten batters to do that. They’ve come up with hits anyway. More than they’ve come up with hits within the zone. You’re free to try to blame the pitches. I put it on the hitters, and I put it on luck.
Why so many instances where you’re tempted to say “that’s just a piece of good hitting”? Here’s a partial explanation. With the Reds, Cueto faced opponents with an average 95 wRC+ against right-handed pitchers. In his first four starts with the Royals, he faced opponents with an average 95 wRC+ against right-handed pitchers. In his last three starts with the Royals, he faced opponents with an average 105 wRC+ against right-handed pitchers. The enemy has gotten stronger, so you just expect batter at-bats, and some worse results for the guy on the mound. Again, doesn’t explain everything, but explains some things. The other day, I noted about Mike Trout that no one’s immune to the penalty of facing better opponents. Here, we meet that point again.
There’s no single one thing. Absolutely, Cueto has missed some spots. Maybe a little more often than he used to. But it’s not like he’s walking anybody, and he’s always missed spots, especially if you just watch videos of the hits he’s allowed. His general location plots haven’t meaningfully changed. Lately, Cueto has faced some tougher opponents, which is difficult, and he’s allowed a bunch of hits on what you might consider to be pitchers’ pitches. Over three starts, batters have hit better out of the zone than within it. That’s weird, and that’s unsustainable. This seems like a classic case of “shit happens.”
To some extent, Cueto probably misses the National League. He struck pitchers out basically half the time, and those don’t exist to him anymore. The American League is a little bit stronger. But it’s not so good that Cueto can’t cut it. Unless he actually is hurt, in some subtle way, Cueto ought to get right through this. He ought to be the ace the Royals traded for. The last three starts have been nothing to write home about, but then, the Royals didn’t get him for his last three starts. They got him for games that don’t yet exist.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.



So, you’re saying no one should panic just because he shat the bomb last three starts.
“Shat the bomb”? I would call a plumber. And/or SWAT team.
A doctor too, perhaps…
I’m guessing the top is the more recent games because one of the comments I’ve heard on Royals telecasts is he’s up in the zone more. That heat map feels higher (or maybe just less low?) to me.
To me, it appears Image B has a higher % of pitches inside the strike zone. Perhaps he’s more hittable when more pitches are in a hittable zone, rather than getting hitters to chase more pitches outside the zone?
Those heat maps do look pretty similar to me, the one thing I note is that the top map shows more pitches up in the zone that the bottom map. Now if the top map is the last 3 games, which I think it is just based on what Royals announcers have been saying and what I feel like I’ve been seeing, that could also be his issue. I still don’t think it’s anything he can’t work through given a couple more starts and his 5th and 6th innings in the most recent start looked pretty good, so maybe he finally figured out what was going wrong and how to fix it.
Fun fact!
Cueto’s first 4 KC starts: 52% pitches in upper half
Cueto’s last 3 KC starts: 51% pitches in upper half
Doesn’t tell the whole story, but it’s something. Also, Cueto before as a Red: 56%
The heatmaps don’t look like there is ‘more up’ so much as ‘less down.’
I think Brooks is missing the last game since their zone profile data shows 197 pitches since 8/20 but it looks like hardly anyone is hacking and missing both within the strike zone and middle up on those inside pitches to RHH. Apropos of what, I’m not sure since velo looks similar.
I like your point about him not walking anybody, I feel like that really is a good measure of a pitcher having actual problems, whether with talent or injury.
If he wants to have balls put in play, go ahead, he’s got a good defense behind him.
I hypothesize that things will improve for Cueto in September, as the Royals and everyone else face almost exclusively intradivisional opponents. Cueto isn’t pitching against pitchers trying to hit, true, but he’s also replaced pitching against the Cuba, Pirates, and Cardinals with pitching against the White Sox and Twins.
Damn, this rapprochement happened much quicker than I realized — I had no idea the NL Central is now home to Fidel’s favorite island. I bet that’ll shake up the owners’ meetings!
I really would have thought if any team in that division was going to be purchased by a communist regime it would have been the Cincinnati Reds.
i guess fidel wanted to stay true to his colors, and we can thank jimmy for laying the groundwork, too:
http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6a00d8341c630a53ef01156f06f5c2970c-800wi.jpg
Good thing I drained the island of second basemen before they joined the league!
It is hard to believe his mechanics aren’t off, or that he is t telegraphing or something like that. It would be weird if a pitcher as good as he is suddenly did start tipping his pitches, I guess, but if his mechanics are consistent, he isn’t hurt, then I guess it really must be “shit happens”‘. There is no cure for bad luck. Except voodoo, which can be physically dangerous enough that it usually isn’t a practical solution.
I beg to differ. Jobu…if you offer him cigar and rum…he will come.
This might be a stupid question, but do the images above resemble pitch count as well, or just pitch location(s)?
It’s a density map. It looks to go from yellow most dense, to green, then blue being least dense.
Don’t worry Royals fans, he’ll be fine.
Another nice one, Jeff.
The difference between 95 wRC+ and 105 wRC+ is considerable, right?
Why is that not the end of the story?
Honest question:
Would a higher average team wRC tell us that ALL pitchers who face that team perform Less well against the team because team wRC at this point encompasses so much hitting data for so many people the data averages out? By that I mean is it enough to discern that great pitchers are less great poor pitchers are even poorer against the high wRC team or instead leave open the possibility that the team has capitalized on poor pitchers faced (say 15 games played against my poor old Diamondbacks)?
I am trying to get a feel of when small sample size is or isn’t an issue for aggregate data like team wRC.
Yeah, I was trying to ask the same question. Here is the Fangraphs glossary entry for wRC+. I looks to me like it controls for what you are talking about and purports to be the objective measure of “betterness”:
“wRC+ is park and league-adjusted, allowing one to to compare players who played in different years, parks, and leagues. Want to know how Ted Williams compares with Albert Pujols in terms of offensive abilities? This is your statistic. wRC+ is the most comprehensive rate statistic used to measure hitting performance because it takes into account the varying weights of each offensive action and then adjusts them for the park and league context in which they took place.”
Good thing is, in the playoffs he only has to pitch 6 innings. I think he’ll be fine.
Could it be a sign of tipping? Or does that require an increase in BB%?
So more proof that the national league can’t hit?
Based on my own research, NL pitchers can expect a 0.5-0.75 bump in ERA in going to the AL. SSS variance and park can make it a bit more extreme either way. Injury introduces another variable
That is way too large considering the average ERA of NL SP is 4.03 and AL SP is 4.13 and that includes IL play.
I’m a big fan of Johnny Cueto and he’s certainly going to get a huge pay day this off season, but as a Jays fan I’m happy he might not be as good as advertised even if it’s only a hair.
Whatever Cueto does, let it be known that it’s by more than a hair in any case.
If he doesn’t win another game in Royal blue his value in getting Ventura back on track was worth it.
What
Cueto’s ground ball rate has declined significantly over the past 4 years. Interesting.