Did Max Scherzer Really Have His Breakout in 2012?
Max Scherzer was on my fantasy baseball team in 2013. (Note: I recognize you don’t care about my fantasy team. This is in the service of a point, I promise.) My fantasy baseball team that year won the league championship, and Scherzer was a big reason why. I don’t remember if I thought to myself during the draft, “Hey, this guy is going to be really good because he had a 78 xFIP- last year,” or if I said, “Hey, whatever, it’s a late round, this pick won’t really matter. Why not take a flyer on this guy?” Scherzer wasn’t really much of anybody the year before, which is why I could get him late in my draft. Sure, he had a 3.74 ERA in 2012, and he won 16 games, but he certainly didn’t have the hype he does now.
Fast-forward to this offseason. Sooner or later, a real-life team will acquire Scherzer. He will be expensive, there’s no doubting that. And rightly so. Scherzer has established himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball. A true ace who has put up consecutive 5.5-win seasons, Scherzer now has a whole lot more value than pre-2013 Scherzer, who showed signs of promise but was just another pitcher who couldn’t put it together.
But how different is Scherzer now than he was two years ago? He’s two years older, of course. He’s a free-agent — as opposed to having two more years of team control. And he’s had three consecutive good (or better) years, instead of just one. But when you look closely, Scherzer is a very similar pitcher to who he was even before his Cy Young-winning 2013 campaign. And that’s not a bad thing.
In fact, Scherzer has been good for all six complete years of his career. You might not think of him as the kind of guy who’s been tossing like an above-average pitcher for six years now, because you probably never paid much attention to him when he was giving up earned runs at a 4.43-per-nine clip. But apart from a blip in 2011 where he put up “only” 2.6 WAR, he’s been under 90 FIP- and xFIP-, and under 95 ERA-, every season since his first full season in 2009.
That’s a pretty good pitcher, if you ask me. I would love to have one of those seasons on my team. He struck out more than one out of every five batters he saw in every one of those years, and he walked fewer than one in every 11. He got screwed over by some bad defense and some bad luck — although some of that may have been his fault — but that changed in 2013 and his career took off.
The 2013 season was fantastic for both Scherzer and DIPS advocates in the sense they had a new poster boy in the “pitchers whose breakouts could have been foreseen because of their fielding-independent stats” department. The general baseball public’s hype machine cares little for BABIP and much more for wins and losses, so it was no wonder that Scherzer became so much more well-known when he won his first 13 decisions and ran up a 2.90 ERA. Nobody cared his BABIP was a career-low, anomalous .259 even pitching in front of an atrocious Detroit Tigers defense (they ranked 24th in the majors with -32.3 runs saved).
But behind those Cy Young-worthy numbers was another story: Not necessarily one of extreme luck, but rather one that begged the question of what had changed that year that allowed Scherzer to realize his true, previously unfulfilled potential.
The answer is not luck — or at the very least, not an excessive amount of it. It is instead a combination of the end of a run of bad luck as well as a bit of extra skill. But 2012 could very well have been Scherzer’s “breakout” season if not for things outside his control not going his way.
Look at how similar each of Scherzer’s 2012, 2013 and 2014 seasons are to each other. Here are many of his peripheral stats, the ones that indicate most accurately how well he was pitching but may not have indicated how many runs he was allowing:
- K%: 2012 – 29.4, 2013 – 28.7, 2014 – 27.9
- BB%: 7.6, 6.7, 7.0
- GB%: 36.5, 36.3, 36.7
- xFIP: 3.23, 3.16, 3.12
- Fastball velocity: 94.2, 93.3, 92.8
- O-Swing%: 28.8, 29.3, 29.8
- Contact%: 73.8, 74.1, 75.3
- Zone%: 51.8, 52.0, 51.9
Yes, there are some slight changes from year to year. The most notable statistic that stands out in 2013 as not being part of a trend is his walk rate, which drops nearly a full percentage point, only to increase by a tick the next year.
Strikeout rate, fastball velocity, contact rate – these are all actually trending the wrong way. Ground-ball rate and in-zone rate seem to be extremely steady. His xFIP, O-Swing% and BB% seem to be trending in the right way. But it’s really very minor. If we assume these are all reflective of Scherzer’s true talent — and there aren’t really many other easy ways to measure that — we can see Scherzer is an extremely similar pitcher to the Scherzer from three years ago.
There are only two things that I can pinpoint as having changed to benefit Scherzer in 2013, one of which may be a result of a change in his skill and another which most certainly is not. The first one is his HR/FB%, and the other is his BABIP. Here are those two, year by year, since 2012:
- HR/FB%: 11.6%, 7.6%, 7.5%
- BABIP: .333, .259, .315
I don’t know how to explain the sustained HR/FB decrease. That, out of the two, is probably less likely to be a fluke. It’s entirely possible Scherzer made a change to his pitching style to bring that number down. After all, using his career numbers as inputs, the p-value for two consecutive years with that HR/FB rate is only 0.0664, or 6.64% (in other words, there is just a 6.64% likelihood that that occurred by chance). It certainly wasn’t his home field, since Comerica Park’s park factor for home runs has remained exactly 100 for each of those years. But given that the year-to-year correlation (r) for home-run-per-fly-ball rate is a meager 0.09, I think it’s more likely luck was the driving factor.
So I can offer no explanation for that. It may be luck, it may not be, and we may never know for sure. I can, however, say with great confidence that Scherzer’s .259 BABIP in 2013 was an extreme outlier. There are some explanations for it (a 14% decrease in LD% and an almost 50% decrease in hits IFH%), but the explanations give no further reason to expect that something changed. The fact his BABIP went back up to .315 last year pretty much confirms that 2013’s BABIP was some pretty great luck.
So why did I say that Scherzer’s 2013 as a whole wasn’t a result of great luck, if BABIP was the driving force of his low ERA and the BABIP was a result of great luck? Because Scherzer’s 2013 was so good that if he didn’t pitch at the level of being able to maintain a .259 BABIP, he pitched at a level so that a .259 BABIP was necessary in order to counter other bad luck and give him an ERA that reflected his actual skill.
There’s a specific reason for that: Scherzer was the victim of some pretty bad sequencing in 2013. FanGraphs credits him with having lost two wins from sequencing that year (the LOB-Wins category in the Value section of his player page). Two wins is actually a lot of wins. Meanwhile, he was credited with having gained 1.8 wins from his BABIP luck (BIP-Wins). Those essentially cancelled out, leaving us with a pitcher whose ERA really is a good measure of his true skill. Comparing his ERA and FIP just corroborates that claim; he had a 71 ERA- and a 68 FIP-. (As a comparison, the sum of Scherzer’s BIP-Wins and LOB-Wins was -0.9 in 2012, which is more proof that he was very unlucky that year.)
So here is the full picture of Scherzer’s past three years. He pitched very well in 2012, but had some horrible luck with BABIP and wasn’t particularly effective at keeping fly balls in the yard. This led to a decent year, but not a great one. He pitched just as well in 2013 with the exception of experiencing a sharp decrease both in BABIP and HR/FB, which may have had a little bit to do with an increase in skill, but not to a great degree. And then, in 2014, he had once again an excellent year, only it was not quite as good, and his BABIP fortune from the previous year abandoned him and left him with an ERA just over three.
You can argue Scherzer’s HR/FB% drop has not been a result of luck. If you want to say that, then Scherzer really did break out in 2013. But that seems unlikely. And if that’s not the case, then Scherzer truly has been nearly the exact same pitcher for the last three seasons, and that pitcher has been elite. Scherzer may never have been a top prospect (he was ranked in BA’s top 100 once, No. 66 in 2008), but he was always a talented pitcher, and in the past three years it has all come together — and thankfully for him, it’s really come together in the past two, which conveniently come right before he hits free agency.
You didn’t need me to tell you that Max Scherzer is very good. But maybe you did need to know that Max Scherzer has been who Max Scherzer is for longer than you may have expected. You may not have thought much about him before 2013, if only because hype is reserved for pitchers who put up gaudy win numbers and ERAs with a 1 or a 2 before the dot. But even without those two hallmarks of a well-known hurler, Scherzer was good – and then he got them and became Max Scherzer, the staff ace.
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But maybe you did need to know that Max Scherzer has been who Max Scherzer is for longer than you may have expected.
-We also didn’t need to be told this. Anyone looking at his fg page for 5 seconds could figure out what took you so many words to write. Fluff piece with no substance.
Fair point, but it’s not like everybody randomly looks at Scherzer’s player page just because. I’m not going to write a piece that just says “Look at Max Scherzer’s page, everyone!” This wasn’t supposed to be anything groundbreaking. Sorry you didn’t enjoy it.
Enjoyed the article and found it informative, despite Mr. Internet Tough Guy’s rush to register his consternation. I think it’s interesting to explore how perception (and valuation) can change based on factors like sequencing and BABIP, which can sometimes work in concert to inflate or depress a player’s perceived value (as in Max’s 2012) and at other times, good luck in one of those areas can largely dissipate (if not outright cancel) bad luck in the other, like Scherzer’s 2013. Quite enjoyable.
If you dont like it, dont read it!
If you don’t like his comment, don’t read it!
If he doesn’t read it, how can he know whether he likes it or not?
I’m trying to think of a nice way to ask if this was meant for “FG on Fox” since of course the FanGraphs crowd knew that Scherzer had a breakout in 2012, but I’m obviously failing miserably. So … uhm … Merry Christmas!
Not to nitpick, but I think you may be misremembering the 2013 fantasy draft a bit. I had Scherzer on one of my teams that year, but I had to take him in the 7th round. In another league, I didn’t get him because he went off the board in the 6th. It was my impression that if you wanted Scherzer in 2013, you had to fully believe in the 2012 breakout to get him.
pls. i remember picking him up as a FA back in 2010 after he got sent to the minors and riding that wave from worst to (almost) first.
/hipster fantasy player
Nice article, thanks!
Interesting, looks like the 29 dingers given up in 2011 is the real outlier.
Nice article.
I consider one possible explanation for the decrease in HR/FB is the change in pitch selection, specially since he started to throw a curve, but also because each year he has thrown less fastballs and has relied more on his secondary stuff..
I followed the snacks some years ago because I knew one of their relievers, and back then Max was a hard thrower with high pitch counts and was often spent in the 6th inning.
Since then he’s combined grew stuff and is “pitching” rather than just “throwing”.
Auto-correct killed my reply. Snacks should be dbacks. Grew should be great.
I like “the snacks” better, they are usually as interesting (if not more) than the D’backs. I also followed the snacks for many years and fruit roll-ups were an excellent option for many years but have tailed off since branching out into weird flavors (blue? is blue a flavor? Just give me strawberry please). Reese’s Christmas Trees are also a very strong seasonal performer during December.
Oh, I agree. I thought about leaving it as is, figuring comments would run with it … and everyone would list the snacks they follow. Twizzlers and mambas for me.
Hmm… I’m not actually so sure about that, since our pitchf/x classifications say that the only real change from 2012 to ’13 was swapping out a few sliders for changeups. What was more important, I think, is that each of those pitches was much better in 2013 (+2 runs per 100 pitches for the slider, +.8 for the changeup) and I think that is more of an effect of the decreased HR/FB rate than a cause.
When I can, I’ll figure out the HR/FB rate for each of his pitches for those three years and see what I get. Also, I didn’t really watch Scherzer much at all in 2012, so I can’t speak to his change in pitch selection, but the numbers say that there wasn’t a huge change.
To follow up on this — I really don’t think the change in pitch selection had much effect. To wit: Scherzer’s (approximate) HR/FB% on…
Fastballs:
2011: 14.5
2012: 12.6
2013: 8.3
2014:: 6.3
Sliders:
2011: 7.1
2012: 16.2
2013: 7.7
2014: 4.9
Changeups:
2011: 12.0
2012: 3.2 (!!)
2013: 4.9
2014: 10
There’s so much variability there, and the individual pitches for the most part reflect the general trend so well (I say for the most part because changeups are weird), that it seems more likely that it’s just random. (Or a change in skill – but whatever it is, I don’t think it’s the pitch selection.)
Differences can be sequencing, varying pitches in counts, etc.
For example, if a pitcher always follows offspeed with fastballs, then even dumb hitters can take the offspeed and sit dead red on the next pitch.
2012 Max Scherzer = 2014 Corey Kluber. Does anybody think that in 2015 Kluber will be a late round flier that won’t really matter?
Thanks to the Wayback Machine we can see that Scherzer was the 20th SP off the board in NFBC leagues in 2013.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130202020222/http://www.therotosaurus.com/drafts/average-draft-position/
Oh well. I distinctly remember getting him pretty late, so I guess I’m in a league with a bunch of Luddites.
wait Scherzer won the CY Young in 2012?
Nobody but me cares about my fantasy team either, but this brought back a chuckle. I got Scherzer is a middle round in 2013, then offered him as a throw-in with Longoria for Prince Fielder. The offer was rejected. Longoria and Fielder both went on to be fantasy busts, Scherzer ended up as the prize!
If I recall, wasn’t Scherzer one of the absolute best pitchers in the second half of 2012? I think his numbers were at least as good as then-still ace Verlander. I’ve been a big fan for awhile, and I’m hopeful the Cubs give him a similar contract to the first one they gave to CC (and then let him opt out and sign with another team after a few years).
Correct. He had a 2.69 ERA / 2.74 FIP after the break that earned him a good bit of press even from the not so sabermetrically inclined. The huge jump in strikeout rate was pretty hard to miss. Mr. Pemstein does a fine job of breaking down the indicators in 2012, I just think it’s wasted on this audience since I can’t imagine many in this crowd didn’t already know. It would be a more informative column on FoxSports or BleacherReport.
Here’s a completely old school response, though I very much appreciate the SABR metric approach. I have watched on TV just about all of Max’s starts as a Tiger. He became excellent in yes, 2012 when he quit trying to throw everything has hard has he could and concentrated on throwing strike one on the first pitch, often low in the zone fastball at about 92 MPH, quite a bit less than his high speed. Getting ahead of the hitters is what then enabled him to let his explosive stuff work. But, by the end of 2013 hitters were starting to look for the low fastball on the first pitch and he has not……..quite…….. been as effective since. An ace, yes, but not a Cy.
Agree with this.
In his early years he seemed to be a starter with a closer’s mentality.
He had a rough stretch in late May to mid June, giving up 30 earned runs in 39-2/3rds. Which actually included a shutout. He got hammered by the Royals in that stretch, giving up 9 straight base runners to start an inning and 10 earned runs in 4 innings. Toss out that game and his era was 2.79.
I remember listening to a Yankee-Tigers game in the car radio early in 2012. He got flustered after giving up some early base runners and the got wild. The announcers kept remarking that he had such good stuff but didn’t seem to know where the ball was going and just looked uncomfortable. Later that season he seemed to put it all together and has been on a great run since then. He was pretty good but frustrating before that, but even on a saber metric basis he took it up a notch about midway through 2012.
Picky point about the p-values, since that’s what some of us obsess about. You described this correctly, but it could be read incorrectly:
. . . the p-value for two consecutive years with that HR/FB rate is only 0.0664, or 6.64% (in other words, there is just a 6.64% likelihood that that occurred by chance)
What the p value is really telling is that, *if* Scherzer’s underlying HR/FB skill, or pitching style, was the same in 2013-2014 as it was in all previous years, then there is only about a 6.6% chance that we would have seen such a large change in the observed HR/FB rates. It is *not* telling us that, given the observed HR/FB rates in 2013-2014 versus previous years, there is only a 6.6% chance that his underlying skill hasn’t changed.
It’s the difference between the chance that something is black, if we have observed that it is a crow; versus the chance that it is a crow if we have observed that it is black.
(Also, did you mean the chance that the 2013-2014 plate appearances would have the observed (or more extreme) HR/FB ratio, or the chance that such a ratio, or one more extreme, would be observed in *any* two-year span in his career?)
Good point, thanks.
I meant the chance that the 2013-14 seasons would have a total HR/FB% of 7.5 or lower (or whatever it was exactly) assuming that his career average was his true talent, so I suppose a combination of both — the 2013-14 fly balls are part his career average, after all.
Thanks!
I meant the chance that the 2013-14 seasons would have a total HR/FB% of 7.5 or lower (or whatever it was exactly) assuming that his career average was his true talent,
If I’m thinking about this correctly, this means that your observations aren’t quite independent — the 2012-13 observed HR/FB rate gives you some information about the career rate, and vice versa. I think that’s why we usually partition the data — 2012-2013 versus everything previous, say — and test the hypothesis that they both have the same rate. In this case, I’d bet it makes no difference.
I think it would make a difference, but the problem is that there is no real way to know his true talent, so there’s no “right” way to go about this.
By 2012-13, do you mean 2013-14?
The thing about Scherzer is that he is NOT “a true ace” or a #1 ace anyway. Max has one complete game in his career, and rarely goes past the sixth. It is so consistent that it is pretty clear that his plan and pitch count management goal, etc. is to get the 6th with the win in hand, and then hand it off to the bullpen.
A true ace a true high-dollar worthy, #1 ace can take the ball and go the distance from time to time. A top tier pitcher, the alpha starter, is the guy who from time to time gives the pen a break. For all his mediocrity this season, that is Verlander and with all his success Bumgarner, Clayton, Price, Sabathia, Hudson, etc.
Scherzer has one complete game. He is never going to get a shut out, he is never going to pitch a perfect game.
He is a good pitcher who can pitch great for 5-7 innings.
That is not a top $ pitcher, that is an upper mid-level pitcher. Plus he is at that age when a pitcher like him, declines. His best years are probably behind him.