Dodgers Swing Blockbuster, Acquire Scherzer and Turner
Over the past 10 or so years, the Dodgers have built a juggernaut, with enough talent to withstand both divisional rivals and injury woes. They’ve won the last eight NL West titles and been to three of the past four World Series. This year, though, it looked like that hegemony might finally, finally come to an end. Corey Seager is hurt. Mookie Betts has been banged up and is on the IL. Gavin Lux is out. Dustin May tore his UCL. Cody Bellinger missed a long stretch with a hairline fracture in his leg before suffering a hamstring injury. Clayton Kershaw hasn’t pitched in nearly a month. But with the Giants overperforming and the Dodgers facing an onrush of injury (and suspension), maybe this could be the year.
That feels less likely now, because the Dodgers just flipped the trade market on its head in one fell swoop, acquiring Max Scherzer and Trea Turner from the Nationals for a kingly ransom of prospects (update: the trade is now official)– Josiah Gray, Keibert Ruiz, Gerardo Carrillo, and Donovan Casey. The deal isn’t final yet, but it appears all but done and will likely be officially announced Friday. Turner was the best position player on the market. Scherzer was the best pitcher on the market. They’re both Dodgers now, more cogs in the most powerful machine in baseball, one that looks increasingly likely to dispatch the Giants and bring home the NL West crown yet again.
As is customary with such a big deal, we’ll cover it in two parts. Here, Eric Longenhagen gives Nats fans a piping-hot helping of prospect analysis — there’s plenty of it in a deal of this magnitude. I’ll focus on the major league side of things, which is to say the Dodgers’ side of things; Washington was already dead in the water in the NL East, but now they’re super dead.
Since joining the Nationals, Scherzer has done nothing but take the mound every five days and dominate. The “every five days” part hasn’t been completely true this year; he missed a start in June with a groin strain, then had one postponed last week due to triceps tightness. Even without the injuries, he might not be quite the pitcher he was five years ago, but he’s still unquestionably one of the best in the game, with unmatched durability and a will to win that makes every game he starts feel like it is his team’s for the taking.
The intangibles are great, but the tangibles might be even better. Though he’s now 37, Scherzer has defied aging. He throws as hard as he did at his peak; indeed, his 94.2 mph average fastball velocity is actually a 10th of a tick higher than it was in his first year with the Nats. He complements that riding, bat-missing monster with four solid secondary offerings: a low-90s cutter, a devastating mid-80s slider, a curveball he uses mostly for show, and a changeup that he mostly reserves for lefties.
The slider and the fastball draw the headlines, because they’re both overpowering. He’s drawing swinging strikes on 16.8% of his four-seamers this season, the highest mark of his career and a top-five rate among starters. His slider checks in at 26%, behind only Kershaw and Jacob deGrom. If he were simply a two-pitch wonder — fastballs high and sliders playing off of them — he’d still be an effective starter.
But he’s more than that. The cutter, curve, and changeup sharpen the other pitches, putting hitters in a bind right from the start. In each of his six seasons in Washington, he’s struck out more than 30% of opponents, a ludicrous streak. Some of that is because he’s unhittable, of course; the swinging strike rates on his two primary pitches don’t lie. But some of it is because despite those monstrous offerings, you can’t be sure what’s coming next with two strikes:

This is all fun, but let’s be real with each other. You didn’t come here to learn why Max Scherzer is good. If you’re reading a trade analysis, you already know who he is and what he does. The same is true for Trea Turner — he’s awesome, and he’s having a career year. Since he’s more difficult to slot into a lineup, though, and also under team control for an extra year, let’s talk about how the Dodgers will fit him in and what he might do to their future plans.
Turner is an offensive dynamo — this year’s .322/.369/.521 slash line (137 wRC+) also comes with 18 homers and 21 steals — who brings considerable positional versatility with him, though he hasn’t used it recently. Since 2017, he’s only played shortstop, and he’s been better than you think — he’s been worth 14 Outs Above Average per Statcast, though other defensive systems disagree. In the short-term, that makes things easy. The Dodgers have been using Chris Taylor at short with Seager injured, but Taylor is a better fit at second or in the outfield. Bam, presto! Turner moves to short, which lets Taylor move to second, which lets Max Muncy move to first, which lets Cody Bellinger move to center… there are a lot of moving parts, but you get the idea. Turner will unlock a cascade of defensive improvement.
When Seager returns, things will get trickier. He’s been the everyday shortstop since 2016, and his other natural position — third — already houses a different Turner, this one of the Justin variety. Seager is likely a worse shortstop defender than Trea — two of the three defensive systems think so, and the third thinks they’re both middling — but it’s not clear how well he’d take to second base. He’s also the incumbent, which will surely carry some weight in the decision-making process.
Turner spent a good amount of time in center field as a rookie, and has played second base as well. His blinding straight-line speed plays up in the outfield, though instinctually he’s an infielder. If he slides to second, that puts the squeeze on Taylor, who would then slide to an outfield corner. Given how well he’s hitting this year, he wouldn’t lose much if any playing time — which means that AJ Pollock, who’s also having a great year, might be operating on borrowed time.
If the Dodgers don’t want to bench Pollock and his .288/.347/.519 line (good for a 134 wRC+), they might also consider the unthinkable: reducing Bellinger’s playing time. Limited to just 45 games due to the aforementioned injuries, the 2019 NL MVP has been putrid when he has been healthy enough to play; his power has completely disappeared, while his previous gains in strikeout rate have reversed, leaving him with a gross .165/.272/.297 line and a 61 wRC+. It feels weird to bench a former MVP, and his projections still best Pollock’s, but at the very least, adding another beastly right-handed hitter means Bellinger should be getting plenty of rest against southpaws.
This game of musical chairs won’t start right away, though, because of the aforementioned injuries (and because Turner is currently on the COVID-19 IL). The Dodgers need to win games right now if they want to avoid the Wild Card game, and until reinforcements arrive, Turner will be replacing either Matt Beaty or Billy McKinney in the lineup — no difficult decisions there. Likewise, Scherzer slots cleanly into the rotation — Gray was handling fifth starter duties with Kershaw sidelined, and he’s headed to Washington.
When Kershaw returns, the Dodgers will have a comically deep rotation. Walker Buehler, Scherzer, and Kershaw are among the best in the big leagues. Julio Urías has been great, and he’ll be the fourth starter. That’s a hellacious playoff rotation, potentially one of the best of the 21st century.
That assumes the Dodgers make the playoffs, and uh, they’re probably going to make the playoffs. Before this trade, ZiPS gave them a 56.9% chance of winning the West. Now, they’re nearly two-thirds likely to take it down:
| Team | W | L | GB | Pct | Div% | WC% | Playoff% | WS Win% | #1 Pick | Avg Draft Pos |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 97 | 65 | — | .599 | 65.1% | 34.4% | 99.5% | 13.3% | 0.0% | 28.1 |
| San Francisco Giants | 93 | 69 | 4 | .574 | 19.8% | 74.5% | 94.3% | 7.2% | 0.0% | 25.5 |
| San Diego Padres | 93 | 69 | 4 | .574 | 15.2% | 77.9% | 93.1% | 6.5% | 0.0% | 25.0 |
| Colorado Rockies | 68 | 94 | 29 | .420 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.2% | 5.7 |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 56 | 106 | 41 | .346 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 62.0% | 1.6 |
The Giants have a three-game lead in the division, but that likely won’t be enough to stop this LA barrage. Even reduced by injuries and Trevor Bauer’s suspension, the Dodgers have the best BaseRuns record in the league, and the best run differential; they already look like the class of the sport. Adding a top-20 hitter and top-20 pitcher to the mix doesn’t exactly hurt them.
Those are all implications for 2021, but Turner will be back in Chavez Ravine next year in his final year of arbitration. That raises the interesting question of whether the team should pursue Seager in free agency or give Turner the job and try to keep him around. Luckily, I got my friendly neighborhood Dan Szymborski to run percentile projections on both shortstops’ 2022 output. First, Turner:
| Percentile | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SB | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 90% | .325 | .384 | .617 | 579 | 110 | 188 | 36 | 8 | 39 | 112 | 53 | 54 | 164 | 8.1 |
| 80% | .312 | .370 | .578 | 581 | 105 | 181 | 33 | 7 | 36 | 105 | 51 | 44 | 150 | 6.9 |
| 70% | .305 | .362 | .545 | 583 | 103 | 178 | 32 | 6 | 32 | 98 | 49 | 39 | 140 | 6.1 |
| 60% | .298 | .354 | .524 | 584 | 101 | 174 | 30 | 6 | 30 | 94 | 48 | 36 | 133 | 5.5 |
| 50% | .294 | .348 | .503 | 586 | 99 | 172 | 29 | 5 | 28 | 90 | 46 | 33 | 126 | 4.9 |
| 40% | .292 | .346 | .495 | 586 | 98 | 171 | 28 | 5 | 27 | 87 | 46 | 30 | 124 | 4.6 |
| 30% | .286 | .339 | .474 | 588 | 95 | 168 | 26 | 5 | 25 | 85 | 44 | 27 | 116 | 4.1 |
| 20% | .280 | .332 | .458 | 589 | 94 | 165 | 25 | 4 | 24 | 80 | 43 | 22 | 111 | 3.5 |
| 10% | .271 | .321 | .423 | 591 | 90 | 160 | 24 | 3 | 20 | 73 | 41 | 17 | 99 | 2.7 |
Then, Seager:
| Percentile | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SB | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 90% | .313 | .388 | .593 | 428 | 78 | 134 | 34 | 4 | 26 | 111 | 50 | 8 | 160 | 5.9 |
| 80% | .299 | .372 | .552 | 431 | 75 | 129 | 31 | 3 | 24 | 104 | 47 | 5 | 145 | 5.0 |
| 70% | .289 | .359 | .524 | 433 | 74 | 125 | 30 | 3 | 22 | 99 | 45 | 5 | 135 | 4.4 |
| 60% | .283 | .353 | .505 | 434 | 73 | 123 | 29 | 2 | 21 | 94 | 44 | 5 | 128 | 4.0 |
| 50% | .278 | .347 | .490 | 435 | 71 | 121 | 28 | 2 | 20 | 90 | 43 | 3 | 123 | 3.6 |
| 40% | .271 | .339 | .463 | 436 | 69 | 118 | 26 | 2 | 18 | 86 | 42 | 3 | 114 | 3.1 |
| 30% | .265 | .331 | .447 | 438 | 68 | 116 | 25 | 2 | 17 | 83 | 40 | 3 | 108 | 2.7 |
| 20% | .257 | .322 | .431 | 439 | 66 | 113 | 24 | 2 | 16 | 79 | 39 | 3 | 101 | 2.3 |
| 10% | .249 | .312 | .406 | 441 | 65 | 110 | 22 | 1 | 15 | 74 | 37 | 2 | 92 | 1.8 |
The two are nearly equal on a per-game basis, but Turner projects for roughly 150 more at-bats. That’s not some made-up number that ZiPS pulled from thin air; Turner has nearly 1,000 more plate appearances than Seager over the past four years, though he too had injury struggles before then. When you’re as good as these two are, staying on the field is a skill, and Seager hasn’t shown he has it of late.
If the Dodgers sign Seager, next year will be every bit as complicated as this year. Among their starting position players, only Taylor and Seager are hitting free agency, and Taylor’s versatility has been so valuable that I think they’re likely to find a way to keep him in Los Angeles. They could trade Pollock, but heck, they could trade anybody; it’s going to be a fun and complicated puzzle to solve in any case.
One quick note before my grand sweeping conclusion: the Dodgers are covering the remainder of both player’s salaries this year. Scherzer isn’t owed that money until 2028, thanks to the weird deferral-laden contract he signed, and Turner’s pro-rated salary comes to just under $5 million, but people like to know where salaries are going for whatever reason. With the Dodgers already over the most punitive tax level, there were no red lines to avoid breaching, so they simply waved everything in rather than deal with changing prospect returns to secure cash.
You don’t often see trades like this, for several reasons. First, few teams have two stars nearing free agency to trade at the same time, and most of those teams are good. The Nationals won the World Series only two years ago; if things had broken slightly differently, neither Turner nor Scherzer would even be on the market. Second, buyers are increasingly holding on to their top prospects for dear life, and a smattering of mid-level lottery tickets was never going to be enough return for such a big haul.
The Dodgers, though, are in the perfect position for this move to make sense. There’s huge equity in going from a Wild Card spot to the division title. Just playing in the Wild Card game cuts your chances of winning the World Series roughly in half, and even then your rotation is out of whack for the next series. Getting your odds cut in half would also hurt the Dodgers most, because they have the highest odds to start with; they’re the best team in baseball.
In addition, they can afford to lose Ruiz and Gray. They’ll still have a stacked rotation next year, and they already have one of the best young catchers in baseball. They often run away with the NL West crown; in a year where it’s close, it’s worth spending a bit of future potential to shore up the now. Not only that, but both the Padres and Giants were rumored to be in on Scherzer, and adding him keeps their rivals from doing the same.
From the Nats’ standpoint, this feels like a fair return. Again, it’s hard to acquire prospects these days, particularly multiple top 100 prospects in the same deal. Rentals don’t fetch as much as they used to; teams have become more and more averse to surrendering future value for short-term acquisitions. In a surplus value context, the Nationals are coming out ahead, and quite frankly, there probably aren’t other teams who have multiple top 100 prospects they’re willing to trade. The game has swung pretty far towards prospect preservation, at the expense of teams looking to trade veterans at the deadline. It hurts to trade two key cogs from your championship team, but swinging one of the biggest prospect returns in terms of top-end talent since the Chris Archer trade should soften the blow.
It’s become fashionable in baseball to hold onto your prospects and play the long game. A lot of the time, it’s the right play — that’s why every front office does it. That’s not always the case, however, and I think the Dodgers are wise to recognize when it’s time to step on the gas pedal. This deal takes a great team and kicks it into overdrive, just when they most need it. Watching them slug it out with the Padres and Giants down the stretch should be a delight.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
Assuming the Dodgers know whether Turner was vaccinated, this seems like an incredible risk if he wasn’t.
Do you not remember the whole Justin Turner World Series saga?
Yes, I remember. I don’t see how it relates to my point. MLB Player Risk, from greatest to lowest: No Vaccine + Covid, No Vaccine + No Covid, Vaccine + Covid, Vaccine + No Covid. If Dodgers traded for Turner and he was not vaccinated and is on Covid IL, how is that not a huge risk? You can’t assume Turner would be unaffected by COVID.
WOW
Today was rough as a DC fan (losing Max, Trea & Russ), but good god almighty what an absolute stomach punch that must’ve been for Padres fans. I honestly don’t know if you ever recover from that kind of emotional swing as a sports fan.
Losing actual playoff game 7’s and the like is considerably worse. Not even comparable actually
I think Cleveland fans are still non-functional after 2016. And I knew at least one Red Sox fan who was still emotionally crippled by 1986 a good 15 years later.
EDIT: Looks like smb11488 beat me to it.
For Cleveland fans who also root for the football team….we’ve been non-functional since 1987.
Ranger fans still haven’t recovered and that was a Game 6
AND Brad Hand!! /s
Try multiple penalty shootout losses (says every England fan)
Moving Russ was a good thing! As much as I love watching him play, the Wiz turned Wall (thought to be untradable) into Russ (thought to be near-untradable) into a bunch of cap space and some decent depth. That may not be enough to convince BB to stay, but if it is, great, and if he walks, they cleaned up one of the worst cap situations in the league without giving away too many future picks.
Losing Max and Trea hurts, though it had to be done.
I can’t really blame the Dodgers, because if I were them I would do the exact same thing. But a large part of me hopes that the Dodgers can’t hang on against the Giants, winds up in the wild card game, and get an unlucky bounce out. It’s ludicrous this team might roll out a lineup with Betts, Trea Turner, Justin Turner, Seager, Bellinger, Will Smith, and Muncy in the playoffs, and a rotation with Scherzer, Kershaw, Buehler, and Urias. Good for them but the idea of a team like this winning the world series is…dull? Irritating? Some combination of the two, probably.
Just literally an all-star team
Honestly they’ve kind of played like shit for a couple weeks, though, I was offline for the last 7 hours or so and when I left it looked like Scherzer was going to the Padres, they were going to get ..Danny Duffy! and they were losing another series to the Giants, and I was pretty irritated with them for not figuring out how to do more than ..Danny Duffy, sheesh
Well, yeah, this is better. I really wanted them to make the move for Scherzer, given Bauer’s suspension, but the Turner element of the deal is stunning to me: I didn’t really think Ruiz was available.
The only thing preventing this from being a literal all-star team is that its not clear if a bunch of the guys they already have will be healthy and effective, or whether these two are filling in, Machado style, for never-fully-healthy Betts/Seager/Kershaw, or, as Ben suggests here, for Cody Bellinger hitting like a pitcher.
The Astros in 2019 had Verlander/Cole/Greinke and Altuve/Correa/Springer/Alvarez/Brantley/Gurriel/Bregman and their bullpen had the best cumulative xFIP in baseball that year, too. That team lost four consecutive home games in the World Series. Shit happens.
Kind of hoping “shit happens” again. When the overwhelming favorite just steamrolls everyone it’s no fun.
We just saw a version of it in the NBA – there were some long, long odds on a MIL/PHX finals. Injuries played a huge role there, but heading into the playoffs the teams considered most likely to make the finals were Brooklyn, Philly, and both LA teams. Number of those four to make the finals? 0.
(And it turned into a really fun, competitive finals to boot!)
With how cheap the Yankees have gotten (they trotted out higher payrolls from 2005-2013!), I actually find the Dodgers’ crazy spending refreshing. I just wish there were 1 or 2 other big market owners who would go over the threshold instead of pocketing the difference
i agree, I don’t know why but the dodgers feel more smart than evil to me
Like Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl.
I understand this perspective, but when I read the lineups and rotations, I actually get pretty excited to watch this team.*
*And I’m not a Dodgers fan.
Friedman FTW! This is a master stroke.
Brilliant to spend more money than anyone else and be able to afford to burn prospects. Who would have thought to go after two elite players?
The move is obvious, putting yourself in a position to make it is the hard part
great handle
It’s not really about the money with this trade. It’s that Will Smith and their assembly line of pitching prospects made Ruiz and Gray completely redundant. No other team in baseball can say that
I don’t get this for the Nats, though. a 55FV starter and a disinterested C who slaps at everything and will give Nats fans the pleasure of watching him get thrown out running to first over and over again. For a HoFer and All-Star SS.
Mike Rizzo is out of his mind. This trade hurts the Nats deeply and doesn’t make them more competitive in the NL East in 2022 or ’23. Gray and Ruiz just aren’t that good, and Juan Soto is now the only actual hitter on the team.
Thanks for nothing, Rizzo.
Two of the top 100 prospects in baseball by many rankings, and two of the top 43 according to Fangraphs. Pretty dang good, considering Max could dictate where he wanted to go.
Hello, Ruiz is 22 years old and has a 1.000 OPS in AAA this year as a switch-hitting catcher.
He was consistently a (much) better rated prospect than Smith until Smith’s 2019 breakout.
Thumb me down, and maybe I’m looking at this emotionally, but Nats fan agrees with Josh! the top two guys are fine, but we needed more considering Turner has another year remaining. Those two throw ins are just that!
Full throttle move! If they only keep one of Seager/T.T. they’ll get a comp pick after qualifying offer (if it’s still around). That takes a little sting out of prospect price.
If Bauer wasn’t such a *****************, they could have had one of the most incredible rotations ever.
Bellinger is clearly still hurt; a 61 wRC+ line through 45 games for an ex-MVP? He likely needs extended rest for his lower half. And I suspect, with Seager’s extremely prolonged recovery, that the team believes the risk of either a) aggravation or b) an injury-related performance drop (s/t Beli) to be extremely high. Maybe that’s the plan; rest Bellinger & Seager as much as possible.
Seager had a little soreness when he started rehabbing, so he stopped. He’s playing sim games again this week without discomfort, and it looks like he’ll be back this weekend.
However, it’s common for hand injuries to linger in terms of reduced power for a good while after a player returns to play.
Back in 18 I believe, when Freddie Freeman was dealing with a similar HBP broken hand bone, someone on FG did an analysis and showed that broken hand and wrist bones typically are accompanied by diminished slugging in the 2 months following the player’s return to play.
Belli is probably hurt, but I also think the league’s figured him out a little. He’s got some serious adjustments to make and that massive uppercut, twist-your-back-into-a-pretzel swing has gotta change.
Seager is in the lineup today. They announced that he will be. I do think this increases the possibility of him walking after this season, however. I also do not quite agree with Trea being the one that plays second, but that seems like a small thing in the trade.
Regarding Bellinger, I do not think this is something that he is going to be able to do in-season. Is there any precedent for former MVP’s being sent down? His swing has gotten so long. It was always long, but not like this. He simply cannot hit a fastball.
This package seems light for the Nats, especially on the back end. While Ruiz and Gray are both young and performing well in AAA, Carrillo has not performed well in either A+ or AA, and Casey is a 25-year-old OF with over a 30% K rate in AA.
I would have felt much better about it if Carrillo and Casey were replaced with other prospects. For example, I would have liked a young flier with upside, like any of the guys in the Cubs’ return for Darvish, or a better minor-league performer like Austin Shenton (traded to the Rays for Diego Castillo) or Diego Castillo (who the Pirates got for Clay Holmes).
Finances probably weakened the package, but I would have preferred the Nats take on some of the bill to get better prospects, like the Rangers did with Gallo. Now that they’re rebuilding, they’re probably going to be saving money compared with the past few years regardless.
Anyways, I’m on board with the sell-off, but don’t love the return. Still basking in the glory of the 2019 trophy tho…
Gotta agree, a 25-year-old OF in AA and a 5’10” starting pitcher are going to need a Starbucks coupon to get a cup of coffee.
Nats fan is sad. Losing three to the orioles turned my team on its head. Going to the NL evil Empire makes it even worse! We will be unwatchable for 5 years now. We need far more pitching.
Don’t despair. Strasburg and Corbin have pitched well in the past and may do so in the future, Gray and Ruiz are pretty good and major league ready, and you still have Soto. And who knows, Scherzer might just re-sign with you.
You all are not in Pirateland here.
Unless Garcia of Kieboom come around, and they have given me little hope so far, Soto is mostly it for being better than 1.5 WAR for several seasons on the hitting side. As for pitching, Corbin is done. He hasn’t pitched well since 2019. Strasbourg’s delivery always makes him a big injury risk. Fedde is mediocre. Ross’ career is nearly over.
The Pirates look better on paper right now to me!
Great writing, Ben.
AJ Preller: OK, so we’re all set on the package for {insert star trade target}. When can we make this official?
{Other GM}: We just need to decide the list of guys for the PTNBL. Give me three names that we can choose from and we should be all set.
Preller: Hosmer, Hosmer, and, ummm, Hosmer.
{Other GM}: {CLICK}
Here’s hoping the Giants or Pads relegate the Dodgers to the WC game where they are ousted.
Tangentially, the Yankees are still trying the same approach (or their usual approach), throwing money and prospects at anyone and everyone (Rizzo + Gallo deadline acquisitions so far). They are just far more flawed and with no real recent success (current season included) don’t inspire the amount of ire that’s now directed almost exclusively at the Dodgers.
Also counting the postseason Cole has given up something like 18 runs in his last 30 innings vs the Rays. I know that is SSS, but it does seem like the rays either have a tip on his pitches, or something. Going all in to try and get a wildcard vs a team that owns you seems a little odd.
Nats fans have great trust in GM Mike Rizzo. The pain of losing two all-star fan faves, and a likely few seasons in the woods, is tempered by the knowledge that Rizzo knows what he’s doing. Wake me when September 2022 ends.
“Wake me up when September 2022 ends” – I’m glad Green Day workshopped that song title a little.
I wonder how much of the final destination was driven by Scherzer, via his no-trade clause. It sounded as though he was on verge of going to the Padres earlier in the day.
Now that L.A. has assembled this super team of sorts, that’s also got me thinking about if MLB’s near-future is headed toward player alliances that generate a couple of dominant rosters, similar to what is seen in the NBA. Like, secret meetings of MVPs who agree on some scenario that enables them to be on the same team, and then leverage their no-trade clauses and align to make it happen. Maybe that’s where things are going?
I think it’s relatively unlikely. The two things that make that work well in the NBA are the max contract and the fact that it only takes a few stars to make a juggernaut team. The MLBPA really pushes free agents to take the biggest contact they can get, and just ask Mike Trout about the second part.
Obviously Scherzer was only going to waive his no-trade clause to go to a top contender, and adding Turner in the same trade would turn most top teams into juggernauts. But still, the Dodgers are far from a lock to win the NL West, let alone the WS.
It’s been weird seeing the Giants repeatedly on top of the division but in third place when the playoff odds come out. It’s only a few games so I get it, but because even the best teams tend to regress towards .500 ball banked wins count for a lot. I would tend to agree that this is far from over.
I think probably not, because the collusion wording in the CBA also prohibits player collusion.
Baseball is going the way of the NBA — a couple of super-teams and a bunch of standings-fillers whose owners charge the same prices. IMHO, not good for baseball.
The NBA’s max contracts and small rosters make that possible. You’re not going to do that with unlimited individual player contracts and 25-man rosters.
I’d hardly call this years finals a matchup of two super teams. It was more like the 2015 World Series IMO
ESPN comment section its ———> that way
Why wouldn’t they platoon Bellinger and Pollock?
They will platoon and give regular rest quite a bit. The drop off to their bench guys (when everyone is heathy) is not all that much
Once Bauer comes back(and he should be able to), they will have the greatest rotation in history
He’s not coming back nor should he.
Why not? Weren’t u anti duke lacrosse?
I would think any sane person is clearly, plainly, and unequivocally both
(a) anti-rape, and
(b) anti-false rape allegations.
I’d be shocked if Bauer comes back. Not only do they not need him, the entire team doesn’t want him back. I would think that even if he is able to come back, which he probably won’t be able to, the team would veto that idea.
Coming off an underwhelming performance against the first place Giants and with Scherzer looking likely headed to San Diego, it felt like Friedman was getting his karmic just desserts for signing Bauer.
Life comes at you fast.
Friedman deserves no desserts, much less just desserts. (Forgive the bad wordplay–it’s “just deserts.”)
Imagine a team going for it and actually being ok with adding money and going over the self imposed CBT threshold. It’s quite odd, but the Dodgers are a model franchise. Really the only team that hasn’t cried poor or tried to maneuver around the CBT threshold.
Yeah, as a Giants fan that’s what’s eating at me, and not in annoyance with them. The problem isn’t the Dodgers being evil; the problem is more teams aren’t being like the Dodgers.
What happens to Lux now .. bench option when he returns ? minors to save service time ? Anyone thoughts ?
I’d think minors so he can get regular PAs. Not like he has anything left to prove in AAA, but he hasn’t set the bigs on fire either.
He’s still on the IL, so probably AAA. I hope Bellinger goes to the IL and/or AAA, his batting has been dreadful all season. I think McKinney has been outhitting him the last few games.
So let me get this straight. The Giants have the best record in baseball. They have the third best run differential. They have a winning percentage well over .600 through 102 games. They are on pace for 102 wins Yet ZiPS has them going 29-31 W-L the rest of the season? That’s just a wacky projection.
Wait, you mean ZIPS doesn’t believe in *checks notes* Darin Ruf, Steven Duggar, and Lamonte Wade Jr? Not to mention bounce back years from Posey and Longoria in their mid-30s?
Right because ALL those players are all going to regress all at the same time starting today. None of them will finish the season strong. A team with a .627 winning percentage in 102 games is going to automatically tank and play sub .500 ball for the final 60 games.
It’s somewhat low for sure, but I understand where ZIPS is coming from. Hard to believe those guys are really true talent stars. It’s not too far off from reality imo. But the Giants just have that magic this year where everything they do works. When Thairo Estrada is mashing for you, the baseball gods are on your side.
I agree that the Giants are playing over their heads so far. There will likely be some regression. I just don’t agree the regression will be so significant that they will have a losing record the rest of the season. Zaidi has built a team with tremendous depth.
I’ll take projections over “B-b-b-but they had a great first half!!!” every single time.
Right because projections are never wrong. We must worship at the alter of projections. We must never question the outcomes of projections because they are more real than actual performance.
Fare thee well, Corey Seager. Like Byron Buxton, I wonder what a healthy, 162 game season would look like for you, but I don’t think anyone will ever see it, unfortunately.
He is back today!
It happened: 2016.
I get the Scherzer side of the trade for the Dodgers, but wouldn’t it have been more impactful for them to keep Ruize and promote him, DFA Barnes and wait for Seager to return? Yes, Turner is better than Seager, but Ruiz is WAY better than Barnes. And, for some reason, Dave Roberts insists on starting Barnes 3 times per week. Then again, maybe Ruiz was needed to get Scherzer (we’ll never know)? The Dodgers should call the Nats back about Gomes.
Uh no. Barnes is a really good defender. The pitchers love throwing to him.
Blockbuster is such an overused word. Now Eddie Rosario for Pablo Sandoval…that’s a blockbuster!!! (yes, this just happened).
What, what happened? (goes to Google) Wow, that looks like a whole bunch of silliness.
Well seems like everyone else is getting traded. Might as well trade those two as well…
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So the Dodgers want to win another WS by overwhelming opposing teams with good players. But can someone tell me how the Giants are hitting so well right now?
Great insight on Dodger acquisitions but I want to compliment you on using the proper descriptive word “putrid” in describing Bellinger’s offensive contribution which went south starting in 2020 and continues to this day. Dodger broadcasters(tv) provide excuses on a daily basis on his inabilities and an objective, fresh voice provided by you is welcomed. Maybe Dave Roberts will read this, too.
Bellinger’s 2020 wasn’t really bad. The first 10 days of his season were amazingly awful: worse than this year’s performance. From Aug 1 through the end of the postseason, he had a 130 wRC+. His first 10 days were so bad they dragged his regular season line all the way down to league average. But he hasn’t been universally awful since the start of 2020, and it wasn’t really that long ago that he was playing well. Considering he’s been injured more or less constantly, I think their patience is understandable, though they may no longer have the luxury and, if everyone else is healthy, it would make sense to cut his PAs while he figures it out.
Typical Dodgers; Deplete Farm System for Half Year SP rental and 2 year lease of a SS. Mad MAX is Mad Max but he is getting older and this summer he’s going to be asking for A LOT OF $$ to keep him at Chavez Ravine. $$ they most likely won’t have unless he Bobby Bonnila’s his contract. Just wait, usually when Dodgers make big moves unforeseen circumstances arise: Injuries a lot more of em