Does Projected Team WAR Actually Mean Anything?

I think it’s safe to say we lean pretty heavily on projections here. Now, it’s important to understand we’re all always kind of making projections. The Padres acquired Wil Myers on the basis of a positive internal player projection. When we think about our favorite teams adding, say, Dee Gordon or Nelson Cruz, we’re considering what we expect them to do in the season or seasons ahead. Our enthusiasm for the coming year is based in part on a mental projection of the quality of our team. We all project, and the only real difference is that, around here, we lean on the projections by Steamer and ZiPS, instead of doing things in our heads. FanGraphs makes things really easy. What do the projections think about next year? There’s a tab you can click on. It’s a starting point.

But while projections are handy, it’s only natural to wonder: do they matter? How important are they, actually, with regard to predicting the short-term future? Tons of people have tested individual player projections, but here we also include team projections, based on manually-updated depth charts, and if there’s error in each given player projection, how much error might we see with team projections as a whole? It’s a perfectly reasonable question. It can’t even be answered conclusively, yet. There’s not enough data in the FanGraphs post archive. But I can give you at least a little bit.

We’ve run Positional Power Rankings for three years now. They’ve been done in March, and they provide projected WAR by position, and then if you add those positional WARs up, you get a WAR projection for a team. It’s easy enough, then, to compare projected team WAR to actual team WAR. So that’s what I’ve done in the graph below. Note that, however, I’m only including data from the last two years, because three years ago the Positional Power Rankings were based only on ZiPS, and the depth charts were different, and it seems like the projections were estimated. In 2013, we started using the current method, so it seems natural for the sake of consistency to only consider information generated by the current method, blending ZiPS and Steamer and relying on our internal depth charts.

Of course, team projections have been done for years, based on different methods. They stretch back at least to the early 2000s. Again, I just want to examine results from the way we do things here now. Which gives us only 60 team data points, but, it’s something. I presume that projections have gotten better every year, so I’m not even that interested in how well we could predict baseball in, say, 2006.

Last note: to remind you, this is based on stuff generated in March, blending two projection systems. On FanGraphs right now, you’ll only see Steamer projections, because we don’t have full ZiPS data yet. And, of course, rosters are still changing, and Max Scherzer is still a free agent. More uncertainty! But anyway, here’s the damn image.

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If you eyeball it, there’s a clear, linear relationship. Worse projected teams have generally been worse actual teams. Good projected teams have generally been good actual teams. That right there is enough to say, yeah, there’s value in what’s provided. The projections aren’t telling you nothing. But you’ll notice, also, that there are some sizable gaps between the data points and the line. That’s to be expected. Certain things are unpredictable, like injuries or trades. And we don’t want to nail this 100%, not that that would even be possible, because then, what’s the point?

A brief, easily-consumable table:

Group Average, Projected Average, Actual
40 – 50 WAR 42 40
30 – 40 WAR 36 36
20 – 30 WAR 26 26

Averaged out, things look good. Teams have stayed around their own groups. But deviations are real and sometimes big. Out of the 60-team sample, about half have ended the year within 5 WAR of the pre-season projection. A full 85% have ended the year within 10 WAR of the pre-season projection. But, that represents a span of 20 wins. It’s pretty obvious that a team can stray wildly off course, in a good way or in a bad way.

Over the two seasons, 20 teams have made the playoffs. I’m counting the wild-card games as the playoffs. They’ve averaged 37 projected WAR. Of the 20, 14 had at least 35 projected WAR. A total of 19 had at least 30 projected WAR, where the actual minimum in there was 32.7. But, the 2013 Indians played an extra game after entering the year with 27.6 projected WAR. So there’s the floor, so far. The Indians have had the lowest projected WAR of a playoff team. Then there’s a gap of more than five wins until the next-lowest projection for a playoff team, but this just proves you don’t have to project that well to actually do something. This is why the White Sox have a real shot. Maybe not so much the Padres, but, who knows? They’re not done.

I’m sure you’re curious about the biggest misses. The biggest whiff was the 2013 Red Sox, for whom just about everything went right. The Sox were projected for the 11th-best WAR, but then they beat it by almost 22 wins. That’s double the next-biggest miss, in the positive direction. Now that I think about it, “whiff” doesn’t feel right — this doesn’t demonstrate the projections were wrong. They were just exceeded. The Red Sox deserved to win that World Series.

And the 2013 Orioles beat their projected WAR by just over 11 wins. This one’s fairly simple to explain — Manny Machado projected well, but he didn’t project as one of the most valuable players in baseball. And Chris Davis projected a lot worse than Manny Machado, and yet he wound up even more valuable, at least by wins above replacement. Sometimes, players break out. Sometimes, they make immediate impressions.

At the other end, the biggest negative miss was the 2013 Phillies. That team fell almost 19 wins short of its projected WAR. Most importantly, that’s the year Roy Halladay went from Roy Halladay to basically retired. Jimmy Rollins had a down year, and Carlos Ruiz had a down year with a suspension mixed in. Delmon Young played a lot. Outside of Chase Utley, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Domonic Brown, and sort of Jonathan Papelbon, no one really held up their end of the bargain. I guess Jake Diekman was good. Whatever. That turned out to be a bad team.

And the 2014 Rangers fell 17 wins short of their projected WAR. Simple explanation. This wasn’t really the fault of the projection systems — they couldn’t have known every single player on the roster would get tuberculosis. Injuries slaughtered the Rangers like no other team in recent memory, at least that I recall, and that’s an unfortunate break. Several unfortunate breaks, really. The team’s a useful reminder, though. We can’t really project injury problems, and certain injuries can muck everything up. Injuries can dramatically swing team and division outlooks, and while individual injuries are seldom that important, boy can they ever pile up quick.

And oh, by the way, WAR, of course, isn’t a perfect predictor of actual wins. I made this a few weeks ago:

Teams are always trying to maximize their WAR, even if they don’t think of it as WAR. But all WAR does is serve as true talent. On the way from talent to record, you run into monsters like random sequencing. Sometimes you have runners-in-scoring-position luck. Sometimes a closer picks the absolute worst times to hang a few sliders. Some recent editions of the Orioles have been super clutch. Last year’s Royals were super clutch. Maybe some of that has been by design. Not all of it has been by design. Projected WAR + breaks = Actual WAR. Actual WAR + luck = Actual Record. Did you know that you can’t predict baseball?

Ultimately this teaches you nothing you couldn’t have already guessed: the projections we have are fine, and they can generally identify good and bad players. Teams with more good players project as better teams. Teams with more good players end up as better teams. There’s also a lot of noise, such that we don’t actually ever know who’s going to have the best record when we’re looking at things in December or March. Yet people have been requesting something like this, so I think it’s worth the occasional reminder that what we have is functional, as a starting point if nothing else. Look at the projections, and go from there. They’re not trying to mislead you. But there are reasons they play the actual games, and it’s not just to make people money. Although it is in large part to make people money. But that’s a different conversation.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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witesoxfan
11 years ago

I will be referring to this post quite often this winter. And for many winters to come. Thanks Jeff!

Eminor3rd
11 years ago
Reply to  witesoxfan

Good, you can do it so I don’t have to, lol

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  Eminor3rd

We’ve all seen Jeff’s skill in taking a small item and hammering it with a bunch of detailed analysis and verbiage. It’s safe to assume that the detail is out of a desire for thoroughness and the verbiage is part of his narrative style. This article proves once again that he can also distill a key point and explain it concisely.

Great stuff.

JayT
11 years ago

Screw you and your fancy graphs Jeff! The White Sox and Padres are going to be coo-World Series winners this year!!!!!!1111!!!!11!!!!ONEONEONE!!!

JNav
11 years ago

Seems to me like this would be a great “welcome to Fangraphs; this is why what we do both matters and will always necessarily be an incomplete account of baseball” article.

JeDi
11 years ago

Is this yet another passive aggressive expression of Angel-inspired butt-hurt? Par for the course with Beanegraphs.

KDL
11 years ago
Reply to  JeDi

It is an evidence based response to on-going, conclusory criticism.

That’s not passive aggressive. That’s how adults interested in learning the truth (as opposed to proving that their gut was correct) discuss things they disagree about.

Powder Blues
11 years ago
Reply to  JeDi

Butt hurt? Go back to bleacher report.

Westside guy
11 years ago

An interesting read, Jeff – thanks!

Admittedly it’s been a number of years since I had a job that required doing data analysis, but when I saw that first graph my first two reactions were “man, the deviation is huge!” followed by “I think some sort of spline might fit better than a straight line”.

The Stranger
11 years ago

Interesting that the WAR/wins graph flattens out on the upper end. I wonder if that’s small sample size, or a real effect. It makes sense, though – at the high end, sequencing/luck means you can’t win all the games.

Mac
11 years ago
Reply to  The Stranger

WAR is linear, wins aren’t. Theoretically, a team with several Trout-level talents and a whole pitching staff of aces could get into 100 WAR territory. But the absolute best teams in baseball still lose 60 games a year, and there are only so many wins to go around

Aaron (UK)
11 years ago
Reply to  Mac

I don’t have any issue with expecting a team with several Trouts and a rotation of aces to go something like 150-12.

olethros
11 years ago
Reply to  Aaron (UK)

Probably a lot of passed balls on that team.

Jammin
11 years ago
Reply to  Aaron (UK)

E6’s as well.

Paul Kasiński
11 years ago
Reply to  Mac

The best teams don’t often win moore than 100 games because the best teams don’t often have several Trout-level talents and a pitching staff full of aces.

mettle
11 years ago

I was hoping for a projected WAR vs. actual wins graph.
Is the R^2 > .3?

soupman
11 years ago

before i even read this, i want to say that it’s something i’ve been hoping to see for a while now! thanks.

visitor
11 years ago

If this were not true, someone (or many someones) would have broken Vegas a long time ago.

Pete Rose
11 years ago
Reply to  visitor

Tell me about it!

Bomok
11 years ago

I commented a couple of weeks ago that WAR = Wins (+48). People on THIS SITE killed me for it. Finnaly, i’m vindicated!

Jason
11 years ago
Reply to  Bomok

You can point them to this article, “replacement level is now equal to a .294 winning percentage, which works out to 47.7 wins over a full season.”

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/unifying-replacement-level/

vonstott
11 years ago
Reply to  Bomok

Except for the fact that you have the 48 in the wrong place. (A .500 team will have ~33 WAR, not ~129.)

Justin
11 years ago

Great article.

It doesn’t look like 2015 playoff odds are up yet, or I just can’t find them. I keep seeing a lot of articles about the White Sox “going for it,” and how they still have a long way to go. But do we have an idea of how much they’ve increased their playoff odds through the moves of the last few weeks?

On a similar note, has anyone taken a look at projected WAR vs playoff odds? How much does a team going from 78 to 82 projected wins change their playoff outlook? How about from 88 to 92?

Pure
11 years ago

When I questioned projections, I was literally crucified. But I guess the writers can do no wrong.

J. Cross
11 years ago
Reply to  Pure

Congratulations on your recovery.

Pure
11 years ago
Reply to  J. Cross

Crucifixion does not always lead to death.

And I meant to type figuratively, but this ancient commenting system does not allow editing.

nerf
11 years ago
Reply to  Pure

There’s a difference between questioning projections and completely dismissing them as unhelpful and useless.

Pure
11 years ago
Reply to  nerf

I never said they were unhelpful or useless, I only suggested that they are overused on Fangraphs and that it’s starting to hurt the quality of the articles. Anyone can write an article where they just draw obvious conclusions from projections. Appelman might as well just pay someone to write an algrorithm that could churn out such articles, surely it would be cheaper than whatever he is paying the current group of “writers”.

Costanza
11 years ago
Reply to  Pure

Except you do realize that’s like, really a hard thing to do. And results in much lower quality content. (Source: I’m a data engineer with emphasis in natural language processing and generation.)

So while anyone can write an article where they just draw obvious conclusions, no-one can write an algorithm that does that. At least not well.

And that explains why these articles are written by humans.

Another Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  nerf

Except that those who question projections get treated here as if they are completely dismissing them. It would be nice if people responded to actual questions about projections instead of destroying the straw man that they are useless.

For example, I think there are legitimate questions with respect to some projections. Like Dee Gordon is only going to be a 1 WAR player, Marcus Semien is going to be a 2 WAR player, etc. Trades get analyzed here with way too much confidence that these projections are correct and that GM’s who make moves that are not supported by the projections (or fans who question the projections) are just dumb.

David
11 years ago
Reply to  Another Brian

What are your questions about the projections?

Another Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  Another Brian

My questions include how accurate projections are for guys like Marcus Semien who have some not-so-great MLB experience and good MiLb numbers (and who don’t seem to be plus defenders). I am not sure how much stock I should really put into a projection that he is going to be a 2 WAR player. Seems like there is a good chance (how big, I don’t know) that he is just a good MiLB hitter who won’t hit as well in the bigs. I don’t know how confident you can be (1) that 2 WAR is actually the correct 50% expectation or (2) that, even if it is, you should judge a trade a success based on that projection when there is a greater chance he falls well below the projection than with a guy who has been in MLB for years.

Also, for Jose Abreu, it seems like his projection is probably pessimistic just because he has only one year of real data. That’s fine for the projection system to do, but it seems reasonable for someone to bump that up based on watching him play and thus conclude the White Sox are probably getting shorted one or two WAR in the team projection.

I would take the over on Dee Gordon’s 1.2 WAR projection. Miami obviously agrees with me. I don’t have a math reason for that, but I think there is a decent chance that he has made some substantive improvements over his 2012 and 2013 self and thus the projection might be underselling him. We’ll see. But I don’t see why it is self-evident that Miami did something really dumb just because Steamer shows a 1.2 WAR projection (I don’t necessarily like giving up Heaney for him, though).

I doubt teams just compare Steamer projections for the players in a trade, yet it seems like that is the analysis we get here. And then when anyone tries to raise counter-points, everyone just tells them to trust the projections or build your own projection system. Projections are good in the aggregate (which is really the point of this article) but it seems like the advantage for teams now would be to determine where projections are getting individual players wrong.

Ashlandateam
11 years ago

Having asked for a post like this a couple days ago, I really appreciate it being written. I’ll book mark it and come back to it a few times, I’m sure. Thanks!!

Mac
11 years ago

“Averaged out, things look good. Teams have stayed around their own groups. But deviations are real and sometimes big.”

Yep, I suppose this sentence does help clear up what linear regression is all about. But basically, most every linear model should “look good” when average out. That’s what regression does, it models for averages. So, minor irked me to highlight that, though if it helps add clarity for some, well good then.

Shankbone
11 years ago

Hey now, you predicted the Los Gigantes bullpen would be the worst in baseball!

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-worst-position-on-a-contending-team/

How’d that one work out?

Brad
11 years ago
Reply to  Shankbone

I don’t think you made the point you think you did.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=30&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Rough math shows +0.4 WAR? Every other position turned out pretty well, so I guess that projection of theirs looks pretty accurate in terms of identifying the poorest area of the Giants.

Of course the Giants won the WS, but as a Giants fan that watched a bunch of games, I might add the bullpen WAS pretty shaky this last year.

Brandon
11 years ago
Reply to  Shankbone

How’d that one work out?

They had the 3rd-worst bullpen.

ElJimador
11 years ago
Reply to  Brandon

With the 5th best bullpen era and the same core 4 that’s run up umpteen consecutive scoreless appearances in the Giants’ 3 title runs? You really think that was the 3rd worst bullpen in baseball?

Yes, by WAR the result was in line with the projection. Doesn’t mean that they’re not both nonsense, however.

me
11 years ago
Reply to  ElJimador
randplaty
11 years ago
Reply to  ElJimador

WAR projections seem pretty good overall, but with bullpens they seem quite a bit off.

Jack
11 years ago

I would love to know if the correlations hold between playoff teams (after you get into the playoffs).

Blue
11 years ago

Probably should do a residual analysis on that top plot. There are two, and possibly as many as four, potential outliers that could be influencing the slope.

SalisburySteak
11 years ago

“Actual WAR + luck = Actual Record”

This presupposes that WAR, as a stat, accurately captures all aspects of baseball skill, such that everything that is not included in WAR must be chalked up to luck. Assuming we are talking here about the actual fangraphs stat “WAR,” and not some idealized perfect version of the stat, the above claim seems to be distinctly lacking in epistemic humility.

thecodygriffin
11 years ago
Reply to  SalisburySteak

If I am not mistaken, when any writer on this site references WAR in such a manner, it is always assumed as “WAR as we know it today given that we understand that it has limitations and will likely be improved in the future as more data becomes readily available”, but is shortened to “WAR” for the sake of the reader.

olethros
11 years ago
Reply to  SalisburySteak

Christ’s holy pecker, every writer here has repeatedly acknowledged the limitations of WAR and the uncertainties baked into it. What do you want, a big fucking disclaimer in flashing red letters at the top of the main page?

oxpo18
11 years ago
Reply to  SalisburySteak

Linear regression:

Actual WAR + e = Predicted Record
high r^2s show that WAR explains variation in wins fairly well. Hoozah!

Carson Cyst-Stooly
11 years ago

So what’s the R^2 of steamer and zips for pre-season projections vs actual player WAR?

Blue
11 years ago

http://www.hardballtimes.com/evaluating-the-2014-projection-systems/

In the .3 range. So a useful starting point but not all that predictive.

Blue
11 years ago
Reply to  Blue

Edit: That’s for wOBA. Not sure about WAR.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  Blue

In other words, just about as good as we can do right now.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago

Zips R2 = .330
Steamer R2 = .316

The R values are in the comments of the post. These would be highly significant considering the N with a simple Pearson correlation.

KK-Swizzle
11 years ago

Wow, this is as good as it gets in terms of explaining statistical variation without getting weighed down by the details! I’d love to see what the standard deviations are here, especially if you take out the statistical outliers!

everdiso
11 years ago

i was hoping to see a comparison to other ways of projecting.

does steamer even beat, say, a simple two or three year split?

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

THT did a good comparison of the 2014 projection systems. Steamer did beat Marcel, which is designed to be not much different than a slightly weighted average of the past 3 years (with an age adjustment).

Overall, Steamer looked good on evaluating the youngest players, and was in the overall pack of projection systems just behind ZiPS (the overall best performer)

http://www.hardballtimes.com/evaluating-the-2014-projection-systems/

Mark
11 years ago

I like the fact that Dan S. includes ODDIBE (odds of important baseball events) included in his final spreadsheet. To me, those variables in the odds, in addition to injuries, acquisitions, call-ups and team’s ability to extract extra WAR from players, accounts for these deviations. These projections are a great starting point though. A good example would be the Pirates over the last two years. Their pitching ERA keeps beating their FIP because of their defensive positionning and they extract extra WAR from guys like Burnett, Volquez, Worley and Santana. They’ve beaten their projected wins two straight years, mainly due to efficiencies that the projections can’t account for.

hookstrapped
11 years ago

O’s = Outliers. I see what you did there.

kevinthecomic
11 years ago

would the next place to take WAR be some kind of attribution analysis? jeff gets to it a bit in his discussions about the biggest misses, but it might be a useful exercise by team. something to the effect of “here is what we predicted, here are the actual variations, here is the reconciled actual total”. it would be kind of a “roll up your sleeves and grunt through it” type of an effort, but we manage to do it all the time in risk management. in addition to outling the hits and misses, it may also identify areas for improvement or further analysis. great article!

Hurtlocker
11 years ago

The best part of projections is when a team suddenly turns it around and is much more competitive that anyone projected. That’s good baseball.

Sean
11 years ago

I do have a question about Steamer projections. Not about their validity or anything, just curiosity, really. How do they arrive at expected IPs or PAs? For example, Tyson Ross is projected at 162 IP. He threw over 190 last year. Do they anticipate missing some time for injury? Is there sort of a standard “potential missed time” applied across the board or do the projections factor in injury potential on a player to player basis?

Again, I’m just curious because I find statistics fun and fascinating! I’m a nerd.

Sean
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

Got it, thanks!

In that case, though, I’d even say 130 PA for Carlos Quentin is pretty aggressive. If that guy can stay healthy until tax day, it’ll be a shock!

Sean
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean

No kidding! For all I know, I might score a few PAs for them this year (before they inevitably trade me). For your depth chart calculations though, I carry a very negative WAR.

Simo
11 years ago

I think this analysis would make more sense if it compared Team WAR against actual WAR for that playing group at the end of the season. At least then you eliminate the effect of trades which are the known uncertainty. This would be especially important when a team dumps talent at the deadline and has a considerably reduced winning expectation for the remainder of the season. Perhaps you could see how much difference this method makes.

Erik
11 years ago

It would be nice to see some sort of confidence number included in the projections, along with maybe a 20th & 80th percentile projection.

The final number is really not nearly as interesting as the numbers behind it that it represents. Some 3 WAR players are really older 4 WAR players with a lot of downside risk compared to their upside. Or maybe they are Cuban players with almost no statistical background and a huge potential swing. Even still they could be young players propped up by small sample defensive performance that could be real or completely random. The list goes on, it would be nice to see where the sum total comes from without having to surmise it based on extra knowledge of the player.