Donaldson on the Cuyahoga
The Blue Jays made the long-awaited trade of Josh Donaldson on Friday night, sending their former MVP third baseman to the Cleveland Indians and cash considerations for a player to be named later.
With the Blue Jays out of contention quickly in both 2017 and 2018, a trade of Donaldson was always likely at some point. Without an agreement on a long-term contract for Donaldson, it would have been very risky to hang onto him. The Jays’ had some concern, in fact, that, due to his recent struggles with injury, Donaldson would actually accept a one-year qualifying offer — a factor which changed the calculus somewhat as the non-waiver deadline approached. At the start of the season, retaining Donaldson would have seemed like a possible option even if the club didn’t remain competitive, because a characterstically productive Donaldson would have almost certain fetched a $50-plus million deal this offseason and commanded a compensation pick for Toronto.
At one point, with the Oakland A’s, Donaldson was in danger of becoming a minor-league journeyman, hitting .156/.206/.281 in a little cup of espresso in 2010 during his age-24 season. His .238/.336/.476 and .261/.344/.439 lines over his age-24 and -25 seasons for the Sacramento River Cats in the Pacific Coast League were extremely marginal for that league, not even at the level at which you’d call him a Ken Phelps All-Star, Bill James’ terms for minor-league sluggers who never received a real chance in the majors.
Nor did Donaldson shine at the start of 2012, getting significant playing time in the majors as a fill-in the first three months before finally returning to Triple-A having recorded a .153/.160/.235 line in an even 100 plate appearances with the parent club. For players in many organizations, this might have been the end for Donaldson. But the A’s are stubborn and Donaldson hit a legitimately excellent .335/.402/.598 for Sacramento, giving him another chance at third when Brandon Inge went down with an injury.
The rest is history. Donaldson became a superstar for Oakland, was eventually traded to the Blue Jays in a much reviled swap (for A’s fans), and continued his superstar-ish ways until very recently. The downside of all this has been the financial compensation; while he’s not exactly struggling to make ends meet, Donaldson didn’t complete his first full year of service time until after his age-27 season, making him much older than most superstars when he finally recorded his sixth year of service time. With his next contract likely to be his only long-term deal as a free agent, Donaldson might be inclined to take a one-year pillow contract this offseason to preserve his last opportunity to score a nine-figure deal.
Next time someone tells you that players always have great seasons in their walk years, point to Donaldson’s 2018 campaign before calling the police and having them hauled off to sabermetrics jail. (Do not actually try this. You’ll make 9-1-1 extremely unhappy with you.) Donaldson has, in fact, lost a lot of money this season. Just how much? Let’s let ZiPS tell us a tale of two tables.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | .266 | .367 | .519 | 462 | 78 | 123 | 26 | 2 | 29 | 85 | 70 | 111 | 4 | 135 | 4 | 4.7 |
| 2020 | .261 | .358 | .487 | 437 | 70 | 114 | 23 | 2 | 24 | 75 | 63 | 101 | 3 | 125 | 3 | 3.7 |
| 2021 | .254 | .348 | .460 | 413 | 62 | 105 | 21 | 2 | 20 | 65 | 56 | 90 | 3 | 115 | 2 | 2.9 |
| 2022 | .249 | .334 | .425 | 386 | 53 | 96 | 18 | 1 | 16 | 55 | 47 | 79 | 3 | 103 | 1 | 1.9 |
| 2023 | .240 | .319 | .397 | 358 | 45 | 86 | 15 | 1 | 13 | 46 | 39 | 66 | 2 | 92 | 0 | 1.1 |
Here are Donaldson’s projections from this preseason. ZiPS saw him as a star — albeit one in decline — and saw him getting a deal for roughly five years and $120 million when he hit free agency. It sounds like a lot of money, but I didn’t think this was unreasonable at the time. When I mentioned this on social media, many people thought it was too low.
This was before the Winter of Dreadful Silence, which saw a much lower $/WAR and continued signs that money and WAR valuations have become increasingly non-linear, something that we always predicted should happen, but had never actually occurred, with the relationships actually staying fairly linear. As I said, this appears to finally be changing, but that’s a story for another day. Suffice it to say, I’m not making any kind of market changes in the next table, in order to not compares apples and hand grenades.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | .260 | .362 | .520 | 377 | 62 | 98 | 22 | 2 | 24 | 66 | 58 | 98 | 4 | 134 | 1 | 3.5 |
| 2020 | .256 | .353 | .483 | 356 | 54 | 91 | 20 | 2 | 19 | 57 | 51 | 88 | 4 | 122 | 0 | 2.6 |
| 2021 | .246 | .338 | .447 | 333 | 47 | 82 | 17 | 1 | 16 | 48 | 43 | 76 | 3 | 109 | -1 | 1.8 |
| 2022 | .239 | .321 | .408 | 309 | 39 | 74 | 14 | 1 | 12 | 39 | 35 | 64 | 3 | 95 | -3 | 0.9 |
| 2023 | .232 | .306 | .378 | 254 | 29 | 59 | 11 | 1 | 8 | 29 | 25 | 47 | 2 | 83 | -3 | 0.2 |
ZiPS believes that Donaldson’s resumé is strong enough that he’ll still hit, but the playing time and decline have more downside risk at this point — natural for a player who, even if healthy after returning from his calf injury, will enter free agency well short of 200 games played over the most recent two seasons.
The money estimate for a five-year deal now, over the same time period, would be five years, $73 million, not exactly what Donaldson envisioned. In other words, you can make a statistical case that Donaldson’s 2018 season has cost him $40-50 million, not chump change for any player.
For the Cleveland Indians, the upside of a healthy Donaldson is tremendous. They may have an MVP third baseman already in Jose Ramirez, but he’d be an MVP candidate playing at any position except pitcher and maybe catcher. There are no superstars you can add to a team at this point of the season, and while Donaldson may not be a superstar right at this moment, he could be for the rest of the season. There’s no secret plan to winning in the postseason, despite what angry Royals fans shout at me, other than constructing the best possible team and hoping they catch fire. Adding a player with Donaldson’s potential increases the chances that Cleveland sets October ablaze.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
The $50m mark doesn’t matter for Toronto as they don’t receive revenue sharing. The pick would only be in 70-80 range.
Good catch! I was where internet was really horrible and I could have *sworn* that the Jays were on the revenue-receiving list at the moment. But apparently my brain was making that up.
Probably cost him more than 50M. In the end maybe he gets 75M over the next 5 years, but it certainly won’t be guaranteed. I doubt a team would guarantee him more than 1 year, at least not at a price where he likely would rather take a 1 year deal and try to rebuild his value.
Man I was hoping the Bravos would get him! I think he’ll have a big 2019 season. I dunno why, just got dat feeeeling
Angry Royals fans XD
I think that the Blue Jays just figured if they were out of contention, they’d deal Donaldson at the deadline and he’d bring back something like what they were getting in the offseason. That he was traded for a PTBNL demonstrates exactly why you shouldn’t count on a player holding his value until you’re ready to get rid of him.
Yup, timing the market to sell high, for non contenders, almost never works.
Chris Sale, Adam Eaton, JD Martinez, just to name a few…
So we have absolutely no idea what the Indians gave up for Donaldson, but it’s a good trade because he may help them ‘get hot’ come October? Thank you, Murray Chass and Skip Bayless.
Oh, and in order to get his bat in the lineup the Indians will be getting defensively weaker at 3 positions.
OK, I guess putting a positive spin on this article, it’s really about what $$$ Donaldson lost this year rather than on what it means overall for the Indians. But goodness, would it kill the NEW! Fangraphs to take a full data-driven look at a trade?
Fangraphs has decided to move away from ‘boring’ surplus value analysis and to focus on peppy, fun, magical, zippy, non-critical, low-stats analysis: heavy on pictures, hyperlinks, uncontextualized unpredictive charts, and other fun visuals for traditionalists.
The site has also made a HEAVY turn towards eye-test scouting, to appease traditionalists and make more use of fun multimedia.
Dan, the Jeffs and Carson still provide gold standard work. They’d easily improve any front office apart from maybe LA, Hou, Chi, and Mil (and that’s only to compliment those outstanding front offices). Dan’s work is gold standard, can’t really complain even if this particular article is a bit light and fangraphs-FA-agenda focused. He didn’t take at face value and quote Boras or CAA at least, so improvement from the fangraphs staff.
The rest of the fangraphs authors though…are being made to pump out fluff nonsense, literally making Dave Stewart and Mike Matheny look serious minded.
Defensively weaker at 3 positions? Jose Ramirez is far superior to Kipnis defensively at 2b
Kipnis in CF is real stretch though. Am I missing something? His profile shows only 70 career CF innings- didn’t he have a good bit more last season?
His defensive numbers is CF are bad, but if the sample is really only 70 innings small, then I guess that doesn’t mean much.
I assume Dan has heard something about a Kipnis switch to CF- knowing nothing else, I’d think maybe the extra infielders would rotate at 1B/DH – where Cleveland isn’t getting much either.
They did the exact same thing last year in September when Kipnis came back from the DL, and explained their thinking was that at 2b there are a lot more opportunities on defense so it was better to upgrade 2b and go with a lesser CF, just because the odds of the CF getting a non routine chance on any given day aren’t real high. Kip is bad in CF, his arm is a big liability and its not like he’s real fast … Really depends on what Donaldson can do to say whether its worth it. If he’s something like his old self then they upgrade the infield defense and downgrade CF and the infield upgrade is probably more impactful
I think he meant they’d be getting defensively weaker at DH.
Kipnis has been pretty bad in his career defensively by DRS and only average by UZR at second base. In limited time, Ramirez has been either great (by DRS) or above average (by UZR) at second base. And given more time there, it’s possible he will improve.
the idea that ownership and management would see any downside in donaldson accepting a qualifying offer is absurd and, yes, embarassing.
Or maybe they have a better idea of his health and 2019 outlook than you do.
I’d be very surprised if that is real. Seems like Rogers-bashing to me. Perhaps Dan heard something credible.
Agreed with Damaso though. A QO would value Donaldson at a little less than a 3 WAR player. He projects for 3.5 WAR next season. His calf injury can only be so terrible- importantly, his baserunning numbers have not atrophied, nor has his fielding notably declined in the past 3 years (around average recently). So the typical ‘can’t move anymore’ red flags aren’t there.
His walk rate (13%) is still fine, his power (.190) is not too shabby though reduced. Really his main issue is the K-rate, which is trending in the wrong direction but isn’t the strongest evidence of decline- as he has dealt with injury this year and has only 159 PAs.
He’s projected for 8 WAR over the next 4 seasons (ages 33-36)- 4/$75 wouldn’t be crazy. The main issue with his reduced projections is a baked-in skepticism regarding availability (which makes sense)- as he the updated projection has him projected for less than 370 PAs in each of the next 5 seasons: thus the small WAR totals.
The difference between the projections is as follows:
Pre-season: ~2100 ABs, ~14.2 WAR (~2.8 WAR per 420 ABs)
now: ~1600 ABs, 9 WAR (~2.3 WAR per 400 ABs)
It’s a big decline but hardly suggest that his days as an above average regular are done.
Lonnie Chisenhall had a calf injury last year, and barely played this year due to calf injuries … there’s definitely no guarantee that Donaldson isn’t just done. He also had a shoulder injury that was preventing him from throwing across the infield earlier in the year. If the calf injury fully heals the shoulder issue may still be a thing, and might mean he needs to move to 1b/dh. I think you can pretty much throw projections out the window when dealing with a player who’s been on the DL all year, and is going to be 33. I certainly wouldn’t bank on him being a 3-WAR player or playing at all next year
He turns 33 in December and the same injury (calf) has caused him to miss 40 something games last year and virtually all of this year. That seems like a pretty significant and realistic downside.
To give Jays’ management the benefit of the doubt for the moment, the downside of JD accepting a QO is that he’d be blocking Vlad at 3B and would be trying to squeeze into a cramped 1B/DH depth chart slot if that’s the alternative.
So Ramirez is moving to second then?
Let’s hope!
Yes. Today they clarified.
When Donaldson is ready to Play Ramirez will go to 2b full time. No bouncing around, like years past.
Kipnis was told he will “move around” so he won’t be the full time CF.
He wasn’t happy.
He’s also the emergency catcher I suppose
This isn’t true though:
“which saw a much lower $/WAR and continued signs that money and WAR valuations have become increasingly non-linear, something that we always predicted should happen, but had never actually occurred, with the relationships actually staying fairly linear.”
The relationship is still strongly linear. Do you have any statistically significant findings of a non-linear relationship? This appears to be anticipation (and agenda pushing), not empiricism- over any notable sample size, $/WAR is robustly linear- apart from, obviously, players on mlb minimums.
I think the jays should have kept him. The return is going to be worse than a comp pick (about a 40 fv) and even if he took the offer they should have gambled for him bouncing back yielding a real return.
The jays have two super prospects in bo and vlad but apart from them they severely lack talent in majors and minors. I don’t like their approach of getting mediocre young mlb players and mlb ready prospects with zero upside (teoscar,grichuk, diaz….).
Imo the jays need to gamble for upside, this soft and quick rebuild attempt with amassing young controllable mlb ready depth is not going to work in a division with new york and Boston.
Btw I think this comes from the ownership which loves the high tv rating and ticket sales of the last years as I doubt the front office believes this could work. Sounds a lot like faking competitiveness to sell tickets.
Toronto looks to be reloading next year so they wouldn’t have a spot he could play. 1B and DH are taken and Vlad jr is headed for 3B. It’s a $17M saving. Non-trivial.
Besides, word from Cleveland is they may getting a near-MLB ready pitcher: 26 years old, last seen at AA/AAA. Currently in rehab which would explain the PTBNL aspect. P!us they get him after the rule 5 draft so he won’t take a roster spot.
They just were unlucky he’s been hurt all year.
But why take a crappy mlb ready pitcher? They need real prospects not a 26 year old future mop up guy
Because it was all they could get.
It ‘s a waiver deal. Once Cleveland claimed Donaldson it was either their best offer or pull him back, pay the full salary, and spend months with fans complaining they should have offered him the QO.
Waiver deals have been pretty lean the last couple of years.
Some teams have usable prospects clogging the rosters and have moved some to avoid losing them in the rule 5 draft but that’s not Cleveland.
As is, Cleveland has no guarantee Donaldson won’t pull a Chisenhall and go down after two games. He’s just a lottery ticket at this point of the season.
If they wanted a surefire return the time to trade him was last offseason but then, what was the market for corners then?
Even now, Cleveland is using him to fix 2b…
“It is what it is, not what we dream… “
Donaldson cleared waivers, they could have taken offers from any team not just Cleveland. So their options weren’t pull him back or make a deal with Cleveland.
If he cleared waivers nobody asked for him.
If he went to Cleveland, nobody bid more.
Unless the Yankees wanted him and Toronto said no way in heck.
Regardless, it was Cleveland or a PR headache in the offseason.
They got a warm body…?
I guess it depends on your definition of “bounce back” and how realistic/unrealistic your expectations are. but lets take ZiPS’ projection at face value and say he has a 3.5 win season next year. What is the market for a 33 year old, 3 win player with significant injury history and heading to free agency? is it significantly better than what the Jays just got? I really doubt it.
Then there is the other side of the equation. He doesn’t bounce back and has a season very similar to this one. Now the Jays probably cant give him away and are getting nothing for him at all.
Its really not surprising or regrettable that the Jays decided to cash in their chips while they still could. If he storms back next year and has a monster year, good for him. But its probably the least likely outcome and, generally speaking, you shouldnt run a team by betting on those outcomes.
“despite what angry Royals fans shout at me” is my favorite part of this article.
“There’s no secret plan to winning in the postseason, despite what angry Royals fans shout at me“
If I had a nickel for every article Dan writes about a team other than the Royals in which he finds a way to shoehorn his bitterness about the Royals I could be the MLB commissioner in a week
From the Cuyahoga to the DL.
Possibly the main take-away from this is that the Qualifying Offer doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do. I agree, it would have made sense for Toronto to aim for it at the beginning of the season.
But it’s more an agent thing and an organisational thing than it is a player thing, isn’t it?
If you look good come September, your team is going to be baying for fresh draft-pick blood. If you don’t … sayonara.
Josh Donaldson at least got to be traded (for a bucket of balls and some cash) to a contending team, and good for him …. but if that is the best outcome for a player, then there’s not much player value in the thing.