Eric Hosmer Is Thinking About Swing Plane

“What are you trying to ask me? About launch angle?”

– Eric Hosmer

PEORIA, Ariz. — We’ve written quite a bit about Eric Hosmer this offseason.

Former FanGraphs manager editor and current Padres front-office official, Dave Cameron, ranked Hosmer as his No. 1 free-agent land mine of the offseason. Not long before that, I’d identified Carlos Santana as a superior free-agent option at first base.

When looking at the surface numbers, the pessimism regarding the young free agent might seem perplexing. Hosmer, entering his age-28 season, is coming off a four-win campaign and .318/.385/.498 slash line.

A slightly closer inspection reveals some clear warning signs, though. For starters, what is he? He’s had as many replacement-level-or-worse seasons (three) as three-plus-win seasons (three) in his career. This author was skeptical about the prospect of giving Hosmer a long-term deal since he has been resistant to changing his batted-ball profile. He has a Dee Gordon-like launch angle for his career. Since 2015, Hosmer’s average launch angle (4.3 degrees) ranks 379th out of 399 hitters to have put at least 300 balls in play. He posted a career-high 2.5 GB/FB ratio last year.

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This chart, which illustrates launch angle of batted balls by frequency, ought to have Hosmer’s attention:

His production has fluctuated wildly and he has largely depended upon BABIP performance.

But Hosmer won. He got his eight years and $144 million this winter. Teams — or, at least, the Padres — didn’t listen to several FanGraphs writers.

Hosmer’s agent Scott Boras gloated modern “analytics” had been proven faulty during Hosmer’s introductory press conference.

“I’m so pleased our modern-day analytics are proven wrong,” Boras said of Hosmer. “The prestige he brings to the game is valued… He brings to the game a completeness. As we go forward, I think Eric Hosmer will be an example of how we need to do more to go beyond the algorithms and [look at] the human value a player can bring.”

With this backdrop, I decided to travel to the Padres’ spring headquarters this past Tuesday and continue my exercise this spring of allowing players to inform me I’m an idiot.

I wanted to give Hosmer the chance to tell me how wrong some of us are/were at FanGraphs and elsewhere, but I also wanted to find out if he was going to warm to the air-ball revolution and join the movement. My free advice remains that he should at least explore the approach to see if it works for him.

After playing five innings on Tuesday, Hosmer agreed to speak with me in the clubhouse. Maybe he immediately regretted the decision.

“What are you trying to ask me?” Hosmer said. “About launch angle?

Yes, that’s precisely what I was trying to ask him; however, I’ve found that certain players loathe keywords such as “launch angle,” so I instead broached the subject by using ideas like “contact point” and changing batted-ball profile.

“That’s kind of the new theory. You’re always taught to hit fastballs out in front and let the breaking ball get deeper,” Hosmer said of his experience. “That new swing path, the new style is completely different. You want to hit fastballs out in front and hit breaking balls a little deeper. You want your barrel to come up through the ball. It’s different from… swinging down on it. It’s a different approach as far as getting the barrel to the ball and getting on plane as soon as possible.”

I had heard that Hosmer had been working with an outside swing instructor, an air-ball practitioner. Was that true?

Hosmer said he had been watching “a lot” of Craig Wallenbrock’s videos, the same Craig Wallenbrock who had famously worked with J.D. Martinez to help him transform from fringe major leaguer to a fearsome slugger. (Martinez is also a Boras client.) Hosmer said during the winter he hit several times with Martinez and Martinez’s current outside hitting coach Robert Van Scoyoc, another outside hitting instruct part of he air-ball family tree.

After resisting the idea of getting the ball in the air, Hosmer said he has explored making tweaks to his swing.

“There were a of couple times where I worked with [Martinez] and Robert, his guy,” Hosmer said. “J. Wash [Padres assistant hitting coach Johnny Washington] is a guy here who preaches the same thing.

“I think it’s a great way of hitting. I think the mechanics and thought process is definitely different than what everyone grew up learning. To an extent, I am trying to make an adjustment in how my path works in attacking the ball, but to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch, I don’t think that’s the right thing to do.”

In Hosmer’s first at-bat I observed this spring, he grounded out to first base. It’s difficult to discern on the basis of one afternoon in the Peoria press box to what degree he’s trying to change his batted-ball profile. And what would the immediate motivation after having just signed a $144 million contract?

But if Hosmer could change his swing, if he could be a more consistent and powerful offensive force, it would help the Padres win, and his deal could morph from a highly questionable one (from the club perspective) to even club friendly.

It’s unclear if Hosmer is ready to buy, in but he seems to have at least become more curious in this era of exploration.

Unlike other fly-ball revolutionaries, he lacks the financial incentive — and the threat of being banished from professional baseball — to accelerate change. And it’s quite possible, if he’s not able to make the change, that he ought not to make the change. He and Christian Yelich are fine who they are.

I told Hosmer that we’d written a lot about him this offseason, his situation, and what he ought to do with his swing. He hadn’t seemed to have read any of it. Hosmer said he respected what sites like FanGraphs do, but also that just examining data is shortsighted.

“A lot of guys like to look at the numbers and judge a player based off of that stuff. [Other] guys like to watch the game, have that eye, and judge it off that,” Hosmer said. “Analytically, the stuff doesn’t add up in my favor. Me, as a player, I’m not going to change who I am because of what the analytics say.”

What the numbers say is if Hosmer could trade in some ground balls for line drives and fly balls he’d be a better player. That is true for about every hitter, yes, but particularly for Hosmer, who has above-average raw power and near elite contact ability. There is some Daniel Murphy in his profile. This isn’t so much about “modern analytics” as it is about improving a process.

And even if Hosmer lacks an immediate incentive to change, the Padres do have an incentive for him to produce. They paid quite a bit for a player who has produced 0.1 more WAR more than Lucas Duda since 2014. Duda signed a $3.5 million deal with Kansas City, where he will replace Hosmer. The Padres paid for an uneven track record, but they also might have paid for a player with untapped upside if they can convince him to keep exploring ways to reach it.

Hosmer doesn’t have to change to be a sometimes good, sometimes not-so-good major league player. But it would be interesting to find out what would happen if he did embrace the revolution.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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Baron Samedi
8 years ago

This is the bad place.

Chris KMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

I’m imagining Adam Scott brushing off Ted Danson by telling him “Barrels, bro. More like nutsacks.”

Baron Samedi
8 years ago
Reply to  Chris K

It’s fine. Eric Hosmer is fine. The San Diego Padres paying Eric Hosmer $144 million dollars is actually a good thing.

Anonymous
8 years ago

I love the new format of posting the antagonistic player quote at the onset of the article. This is a great series, and if it’s not a series, it should be a series.

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago

Honestly, who knows. As hard as I have been avoiding him based on his quotes, I have a hard time believing that someone within the Padres organization doesn’t have some sort of info regarding him being open to making changes. I don’t think they would just throw $144m at someone without some sort of inkling that he might not quite have peaked.

deltaclown
8 years ago
Reply to  carter

Well, there’s the combo of a successful owner-end around by Boras coupled with the fact that Hosmer is already a pretty good player despite his flaws.

KevinMember since 2017
8 years ago

Curious about the graph in this piece – does Hosmer’s wOBA track with his BABIP more than other players? I would expect that those two numbers track pretty closely for just about everyone, would love to see that graph for guys like JD Martinez and Justin Turner (and maybe even Yelich just for fun) for comparison’s sake.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

BABIP dependent players come in at least two flavors:
1) The players who put a lot of balls in play (low walks and Ks)–this is what you are referring to
2) Players where BABIP itself fluctuates more than others

It is possible Hosmer is both. Just eyeballing it, it seems like he doesn’t strike out very often but he does walk a fair amount. So I’m not sure that’s it.

On the other hand, it’s probably not an accident that in Hosmer’s case, his “good years” always seem to coincide with high BABIP years, which also coincide with the years when he hits more line drives. But without comparing it to other players it’s hard to tell whether there is more variability there than with other players. If so, “Good Eric Hosmer” is a pretty freaking good player, it’s just that he can’t seem to maintain hitting line drives consistently.

OkraMember since 2016
8 years ago

“and continue my exercise this spring of allowing players to inform me I’m an idiot”

I love it. A true exercise in humility and curiosity.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

It is not that surprising that nearly all players think about swing plane when you ask them a question about swing plane.

Luke I am your Father
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone
TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
8 years ago

I remember reading years ago that exit velocity for lower trajectories tends to be higher than with fly balls. With the launch angle proponents and the juiced ball it still seems like an optimal approach to put the ball in the air, but there is still a chance that the adjustment could hurt players like Hosmer and Yelich.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

The problem is that hitting that ball in the ground/air is caused by any number of things that also cause exit velocity (size, coordination, training, body type, you name it). So “trajectory” is almost never a “treatment effect” independent of all the things that cause both.

If we believe the words of the revered Saint Joey Votto, then each player has an optimal swing that will vary by each of those things. In theory, it is possible that one guy could hit smoking ground balls and weak fly balls, while for another guy it is the reverse.

Travis LMember since 2016
8 years ago

How does the launch velocity reading work? I would think it requires multiple samples over a few milliseconds, then calculates the launched ball velo. If so, it would make sense that balls hit towards the ground (accelerated by gravity) would have a slight advantage over balls hit against gravity (into the air).

All the new data is suspect until it’s open sourced, and the community can dig in. Methods matter.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
8 years ago

You are courageous to tell another person, especially an ostensibly successful one, that they are doing it wrong and need to do it your way. It’s especially courageous when you don’t even have any self-interest in the change happening.

Finally, since I do this for a living and feel courageous enough to tell you that you are doing it wrong, I’d like to tell you that stating facts is the least persuasive way to get another person to change their behavior.

Gavin
8 years ago
Reply to  Easyenough

Why is this getting destroyed?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Gavin

I don’t know and wasn’t bothered by it, but it’s pretty ironic. “Here’s a fact: You’re doing it wrong. Don’t state facts.”

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Gavin

Because social dynamics. Wheee derpthink!

MattabattacolaMember since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Easyenough

What is the right way? I’m curious

jim fetterolf
8 years ago

Hosmer tried to hit more flies last spring, got pull happy. Wonder how that worked before he changed back?

jim fetterolf
8 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

The answer of course is, last April he had a .573 OPS. Then he changed back to his normal swing.

JerryMander
8 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

Must’ve been the same thing in 2014 and 2016 as well. Glad he stopped doing that.

jim fetterolf
8 years ago
Reply to  JerryMander

So were Royals’ fans.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago

“Robert Van Scoyoc, another outside hitting instruct part of he air-ball tree”

Not that I don’t enjoy a good rebus but I wonder what this was meant to say. Outside hitting instructor who’s been part of the fly-ball… family tree?

jayman4Member since 2018
8 years ago

Maybe he is thinking about it too much, perhaps a factor in his .559 spring OPS (that and a multitude of factors swimming around in a tiny data pool). Actually if it could work, he has at least 2-3 years before the Padres need his WAR, so plenty of time to see if he can hit the ball as hard as he does but in the air. So writes reasonably concerned Padres fan who hated the signing.

Pwn Shop
8 years ago

The first step is [Hosmer] admitting he has a problem.

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

He was a 4 win player last year and just signed a $144 million dollar contract. “Problem” is subjective.

Matthew MartinMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

“I am powerless over hitting grounders, and my life is unmanageable. At least it was until the Padres gave me all this money.”

LooseSealMember since 2020
8 years ago

Makes sense for him. If he can figure out how to consistently hit it hard AND in the air, he might put himself in position to get upwards of another $100 million contract in 5 years. If he keeps hitting it (mostly) on the ground, he’ll probably have to opt into the 3/$39 left on the Padres deal.

The Stranger
8 years ago
Reply to  LooseSeal

This was the point I made in a comment to one of the articles when he signed. I mean, I agree with those who say he doesn’t need to change. And if he doesn’t want to that’s fine. He’s a probably-above-average major league player. He’s succeeded at a level most of us can only dream about. So there’s that.

But most players want to get better. And he doesn’t have a lot to lose by making the attempt. Some guys had nothing to lose from a swing change because they were on their way out of baseball. Hosmer has nothing to lose because he has a guaranteed $144M.

Travis LMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  The Stranger

When you treat a player as having nothing to lose once they have financial security, you have disconnected from what tends to motivate humans.

TimeToMakeTheDonuts
8 years ago
Reply to  The Stranger

Of course he has something to lose. It’s also wrong to suggest that choosing not to make a dramatic, philosophical change to his swing path indicates Hosmer does not want to get better.

The question is whether he sees enough reason to take the risk, and whether any change pays dividends quickly enough for him to trust it.

awy
8 years ago

journalism! PogChamp

146661206
8 years ago
Reply to  awy

Lol

E L
8 years ago

Swing changes are risky. You can’t guarantee a guy $144M and then have him muck about with his swing. If it fails, what’s Hosmer going to fall back on, his statuesque defense?

steex
8 years ago

Can’t help wondering if maybe getting work in with a hard ass old Canadian hitting coach who solely tried to hit homers might eventually move the needle for Hosmer.

After all, you don’t get your ass hammered by guys for hitting a single and stealing second. There’s no better feeling than to have that done.

RainmakerMember since 2016
8 years ago

Per the article about launch angle stabilizing early in spring, I’ll point out Hosmer’s GO/AO mix is 17/5 for spring……so same ole’ Hosmer

websoulsurfer
8 years ago

Defensive metrics are so laughable for 1B that if you are looking at anything other than offense you are missing the mark. Just throw out the WAR for him. He was not below replacement level on offense at any time over the past 3 seasons and he was absolutely the best at picking the ball which is the most important thing a 1B does by a measure of 5 or 6 to 1.

Travis LMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  websoulsurfer

Can you point me to the studies behind your quantitative evidence? I have only seen stuff that indicates the skill gap between 1b w/r/t picks is negligible.

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago
Reply to  Travis L

I won’t get into picks but I do agree with the general point that defenesive metrics are pretty laughable. Especially when compared the the stuff MLB teams have available to them. Tom Tango himself postulated that statcast would very quickly render every public defensive metric obsolete. We have probably crossed that point a while ago. Its safe to assume the Padres know way more about hosmers defence than we do and they gave him $144 million (flip side, teams make bad deals all the time)

In terms of Hosmer specifically, there does seem to be something that doesn’t quite add up. Is he a fantastic defender? Probably not. But i have a hard time believing that he is SO BAD (at a relatively easy position) that it renders him literally worthless unless he posts well above avg offensive numbers. That just doesbt seem to jive.

Matthewg0079
8 years ago

Homer kept a low launch angle based on the Royals philosophy of playing at Kaufman. When he hit home runs, he consistently ranked in the top 10 of hardest hit home runs in the league. He’ll adjust, and be a consistent 3 WAR player for most of his contract.

JohnnyRingoFWC
8 years ago

Dave needs to pull this young man aside and have a discussion with him. 🙂