The Mound-Visit Rule Might Have an Enforcement Problem

Major League Baseball’s new pace-of-play rules, including the new mound-visit limits, have already been covered at this site. Accordingly, this post won’t address the rules themselves. Rather, I’d like to examine what happens when a player breaks those rules — or, possibly, what won’t happen when a player breaks them.

Catchers Willson Contreras and Martin Maldonado have already said they won’t follow the new mound-visit rule. Specifically, they said they are willing to pay fines rather than comply if the game is on the line.

As a lawyer, my entire job is to research, apply, and interpret rules of one sort or other. So when I hear that two players are going to willingly not follow rules, it piques my interest. And that got me wondering… is a fine all they’d face if they did, as they said, ignore the rule and go out for that seventh visit?

The first issue is whether they’d even be allowed to go out a seventh time. Joe Torre thinks (and reports confirm) that umpires just won’t even permit the seventh visit at all. But as a practical matter, how will the umpire prevent it, exactly? It doesn’t seem that the umpire will be able to throw himself bodily in the path of every wayward catcher. So there have to be some consequences for violators. And this is where things get weird.

According to a summary of the new rule released by MLB, the new mound-visit limits include language that “[p]layers who consistently or flagrantly violate the [rule] will be subject to progressive discipline for just cause by the Office of the Commissioner pursuant to Article XI(C) of the Basic Agreement.” But the official Rules — 5.10(l) and 5.10(m) — carry no mention of discipline or penalty for violators at all. Usually, the in-game penalty is included with the Rule: Rule 5.10(k), for example. But not here. The only thing an umpire is empowered to do is order the manager removed from the game per the comments to Rule 5.10(l) — and, even then, only after a warning.

And if we go by the summary of the Rule instead of the Rule itself, we have another problem: Article XI(C) isn’t actually about the Commissioner’s power to discipline.  Instead, Article XI(C) discusses the procedure for grievances and complaints by the MLBPA in response to certain disciplinary actions by the Commissioner. The Commissioner’s power to discipline is in Article XII. But Article XI(C) is all that is referenced as the basis for discipline in the official Summary released by MLB.

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The weirder problem is that the reference to Article XI(C) is oddly specific. Perhaps the league intended to cite XII(C), which discusses notice to players of violations. But discipline for just cause, which is what the summary mentions, is covered in Article XII(A). I wanted to see if Article XI(C) had been referenced as a source of disciplinary power before, so I went back and checked last year’s rules.  But Article XI(C) makes no appearance in the 2017 Rules whatsoever. And Attachment 40 to the CBA states flatly that “[a]ll discipline… by a Club or the Commissioner must be for just cause in accordance with Article XII of the Basic Agreement.” (Emphasis mine.)

I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something, so I went back and checked the last CBA, too. That one also has grievances in Section XI and Discipline in Section XII. Most of the language from Sections XI and XII was carried over into the new CBA. I also wanted to see if I could find any discipline issued by MLB using Article XI(C) as a basis. So I went back and looked at suspension announcements from MLB going back to Alex Rodriguez in 2014. I couldn’t find a single one which cited Article XI(C) as a basis for the Commissioner’s disciplinary power. So I dug deeper. There was actually a law review article written back in 2014 noting that “Article XI, section C [of the CBA] details the procedures for suspensions involving conduct on the playing field.” That sounds promising! But other law review articles read Article XI as limited to grievance procedures. (Other sports’ CBAs, such as the NBA’s, are far more clear than MLB in what discipline is permitted and when.) So Articles XI and XII are not what you might call models of clarity.

The Commissioner also has power to discipline players under Article II of the MLB Constitution, which states that “punitive action by the Commissioner for each offense may include any one or more of the following: (a) a reprimand;… (d) temporary or permanent ineligibility of a player; (e) a fine… in an amount consistent with the then-current Basic Agreement with the Major League Baseball Players Association, in the case of a player;… and (g) such other actions as the Commissioner may deem appropriate.” But, again… not mentioned in the summary or the Rule.

Now, there is no doubt that there is at least some implied authority by the Commissioner to discipline players in Article XI. The famous “integrity of the game” clause is in Article XI(A)(1)(b), for example. And Article XI(C) details the grievance procedure in the case of suspensions or fines of various severity for conduct on the field, which necessarily means that the Commissioner must have authority to issue those fines and suspensions in the first place (though he’s given that authority expressly in Article XII). And perhaps that’s what the summary meant — that they would be issued under the Commissioner’s implied authority. But why would the summary cite the Commissioner’s implied authority to suspend or fine someone when he’s given the express authority to do so a few pages later? (As an interesting aside… Article XI in the NFL CBA is where the NFL commissioner gets his disciplinary authority.) This is, in other words, sloppy drafting.

We’ve seen in cases like the litigation over suspensions of Tom Brady and Adrian Peterson in the NFL (cases called, respectively, NFL Management Council v. NFL Players Ass’n and NFL Players Ass’n v. NFL), that courts follow a rule of contract construction where “the specific governs the general.” The Rules are part of the contract between the players and MLB, and, technically speaking, the specific reference to Article XI(C) might prevail over the general power of the Commissioner to discipline. And that means there is a potentially problematic precedent being set here. Discipline has to follow the agreed-upon rules or it really can be overturned on appeal. If you doubt me, remember that Ryan Braun won an appeal of a 50-game suspension on a legal technicality.

This might be just the lawyer in me nitpicking. It’s possible that nothing comes of it at all. And the Commissioner has broad power to discipline players for “just cause” under Article XII(a), anyway. That’s in what is called the “law of the shop,” which is just a slightly ornate way of denoting the rules and customs followed by a particular workplace. Nobody doubts that the Commissioner does have authority to discipline players. But… shouldn’t players know what penalties await them for violations of this rule?

This is all the more true when we get back to Contreras and Maldonado. Is a fine really all they get if they really do just ignore the mound-visit rule?

Actually, the answer is no — and that’s why getting the disciplinary precedents right is important. Article XII provides two main discipline options for “just cause”: fines and suspensions. Progressive discipline basically means that you start with a smaller punishment and go bigger with each new violation. “Just cause” is basically legalease for a “a really good reason.” (There are exceptions to these rules in the CBA, such as for domestic violence, but that’s an article for another time.) So let’s say Contreras decided to go out for that seventh mound visit. Aside from really annoying the umpire, there could theoretically be consequences for him beyond just fines. There’s no reason, basically, that MLB couldn’t decide to suspend Contreras as some point for repeated violations, so long as MLB complied with the progressive standard.

There’s really no good reason for MLB to play hide-the-ball here, and I highly doubt that anything deliberately nefarious is going on. But at the very least, it seems that the Rule and Summary, as drafted, are potentially misinforming players about what penalties they would face for that seventh mound visit. And that should be corrected before the season starts. Otherwise, Contreras’s only way to avoid discipline might be to just ask Robinson Cano what the next pitch should be.





Sheryl Ring is a litigation attorney and General Counsel at Open Communities, a non-profit legal aid agency in the Chicago suburbs. You can reach her on twitter at @Ring_Sheryl. The opinions expressed here are solely the author's. This post is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended as legal advice.

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sphenreckson
8 years ago

The pitcher just has to come out of the game if there’s a 7th visit, right?

sphenreckson
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

“Mound visits without a pitching change shall be limited to six per team, per nine innings.”

sphenreckson
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

Then later: “A player leaving his position to confer with the pitcher… shall also constitute a mound visit.”

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

And this piece of it is horribly vague. Infielders move around all the time between pitches. Surely the 3B, for example, is allowed to relay shouted instructions from the dugout … but how many steps towards the mound must he take for it to count as a visit? “Oh I was just setting up to defend a bunt, then I decided against it!”

Llewdor
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

What if the pitcher is the one to leave his position? Can the pitcher wander back to 2B to ask questions?

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

It doesn’t say that. But it doesn’t NOT say that either. One could reasonably interpret “without a pitching change” as meaning that visit 7+ is automatically a call for a new pitcher.

If an umpire pulls that ONE time and the Commissioner’s Office backs him up, we’ll never see a 7th mound visit again.

Joe Joe
8 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Pitcher being disqualified seems like the intent. I wouldn’t characterize it as an umpire pulling something. Though, I don’t think MLB expected as much grief over this.

dannm
8 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

It would help if MLB got out in front of things and made this explicit. Of course, if no pitcher was warming up, then you’d have an even longer delay than the mound visit because the new pitcher would have unlimited warm-up throws. But the only other conceivable options are:
(1) no in-game punishment, only financial/suspension impact of player/team
(2) manager/acting manager ejection after warning (so no impact on 7th visit, impact 8+)
(3) offending player ejection after warning (so no impact on 7th visit, impact 8+)
(4) making clear there is no warning beyond home plate ump yelling “no”, and if the player/coach fails to stop, then immediate disqualification of player.

So 7th visit by any player or coach automatically disqualifying the active pitcher is the most logical option here.

Llewdor
8 years ago
Reply to  dannm

If the rule is that the 7th visit triggers a pitching change, the new pitcher does NOT get unlimited warm-up throws. The team “chose” to change pitchers there. He would get the standard number of throws.

Cidron
8 years ago
Reply to  Llewdor

That will not work at all. Pitchers require warmups just to get loose. We dont want to put pitchers health at risk as a form of punishment.

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

This seems to be the most elegant and effective solution by far. I don’t know why we even have to talk about commissioner discipline at all, though I suppose it’s MLB’s fault for muddying the waters with that kind of strange wording.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

That was what I’ve previously assumed, but the language of 5.10.m is not a cut and paste from rule 5.10.l, which explicitly says “A second trip to the same pitcher in the same inning will cause this pitcher’s automatic removal from the game”. If rule M intends the same consequence, one would think it would reference or repeat the language of L.

LHPSU
8 years ago

I don’t know why you can’t just enforce it by ejecting the player. Enjoy your mound visit; now you get to throw to someone else or catch someone else.

caponehollywood
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

The catchers argument that “if the game is on the line, I’m going out there”, then ostensibly they should be able to be conservative with their mound visits so that they have some to spare during crunch time?

That’s like a football coach saying that he doesn’t care that he’s used all three time outs, he’s going to call a fourth one if the other team is going to bleed out the clock.

Pwn Shop
8 years ago

Hey wait this is genius. If a football coach needs to stop the game hi just runs on he field and tackles someone on the opposing team. Clock has to stop at some point during these shenanigans right?

BryzMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

In that scenario, I assume the referees would have the clock start as soon as the ball was spotted and the refs were back in their positions.

brood550
8 years ago

Just kill the rule. Go back to pre-Posey rules and run the game. Maybe have a clinic teaching catchers how to tag rather than take a blow. But the catcher should have the option if they want to block the plate.

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  brood550

Are you sure you’re in the right article?

Actually, strike that: are you sure you’re in the right year?

jcutigerMember since 2020
8 years ago

If there’s going to a rule, there needs to be in game punishment. Call a ball on the batter or throw the C out.

Anonymous
8 years ago

I always interpreted the new rule as the penalty for a 7th mound visit is an instant beheading.

merizobeach
8 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Yes, of course, but whose? The catcher? The pitcher? The batter?? The umpire??? Commissioner Cathcart!!!(?)! Shouldn’t they just go ahead and detonate the stadium nuke (brought to you by Carl’s Jr.)?

Reflect
8 years ago

All of MLB has an enforcement problem. This is just another rule on the list. Illegal slides, illegal batting stances, illegal delays of game. What rule has MLB ever shown the ability to properly enforce?

antone
8 years ago
Reply to  Reflect

Not to mention that a checked swing isn’t even explicitly defined.

Cidron
8 years ago
Reply to  antone

We dont want “explicitly defined” – We have that with the NFL and its “catch rule” !!

Llewdor
8 years ago
Reply to  Reflect

The neighbourhood play is a travesty, every single time. That runner should be safe.

OddBall Herrera
8 years ago

Easy to enforce, just give umpires a gladiator style net and trident for wrangling errant catchers

southie
8 years ago

Or have Nitro shooting tennis balls out of that suped up Nerf tennis ball gun.

DBRunsMember since 2023
8 years ago

The bigger question is: what exactly is a mound visit? If a pitcher serves up a home run and the catcher walks the new ball out to him while the batter is circling the bases, is that a mound visit? If a 3B takes a few steps into the infield grass to shout a few things over to the pitcher who has stepped off the mound, is that a mound visit? There are so many vagaries in here, it’s ridiculous.

Cidron
8 years ago
Reply to  DBRuns

The trips are all ‘dead ball’ or at least where the ball is controlled (by the pitcher in most all cases) . Batter taking a trot, thats a live ball, or the ball went over the fence events.

timprov
8 years ago

Where an explicit penalty is not included, the penalty shall be determined at the discretion of Joe West.

I don’t know if they do this intentionally or not but it’s the de facto standard.

antone
8 years ago
Reply to  timprov

This is a good point. As a Cubs fan, I loathe to imagine what the first Contreras/West exchange is going to look like.

bly
8 years ago
Reply to  antone

You just made me kinda like Joe West. I didn’t think I that was possible.

wroehl
8 years ago

Didn’t they change in the rules in, I want to say the late 60s or early 70s, to limit the number of times someone could come out of the dugout to talk to the pitcher? It went from unlimited visits to the pitcher had to be removed on the second visit. So if I’m remembering correctly, what were the consequences of that earlier rule change? Did it speed up the game? Was it consistently enforced in its first season?

Paul22
8 years ago

Pretty sure the umpire can eject a catcher who refuses to obey him. If the catchers say FU he gets ejected. Going out against the umps instructions is simply a different form of FU

Cidron
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul22

FU is disrespect towards the umpire. Going to the mound isnt always going to be that. Pitcher may have issues that are needing addressing (twinge in arm, poor understanding of which signals they are on, how to pitch the new pinch hitter in the bottom of the ninth, etc etc)

14689142745
8 years ago

the pitch clock rule is also a joke. pitchers just have to step off and clock re starts

ChrisMember since 2017
8 years ago

This just in… MLB’s new pace of play rules succeed in lengthening average game time.

Maybe Disney can buy MLB and then hire Industrial Light and Magic to create force fields around the mound to prevent unauthorized, illicit mount visits.

scooter262
8 years ago

Susppend Contraras now, as far as I’m concerned. And suspend any player that breaks this rule multiple times. As a fan, I am completely fed up with these interminable mound visits. The players need to figure out a less disruptive way to communicate

Kevbot034
8 years ago

Is it too stupid to suggest a ball be awarded the batter for a first offense and a free base for more? In other sports penalties have consequences that impact that game right away. Suspensions or fines or “such other actions as the Commissioner may deem appropriate” don’t seem like they do any justice to having the rule at all. It would be like holding in football just getting a call from the commissioner saying “don’t do that again” after the game. If we’re going to have the rule, make it apply to the game or kill it altogether – pitcher visits are not really slowing the game down that much in the grand scheme of things (I wish I could find the old article that compared a game now and from the 80s).

The GuruMember since 2026
8 years ago

that clow torre and manfred who cant even catch a baseball, are ruining the game….so sad.

evo34Member since 2023
8 years ago

The answer is tasers.