Evaluating the Three-Team Profar Exchange
Friday morning’s three-team, nine-piece trade, which was headlined by Oakland’s acquisition of Jurickson Profar, has obvious implications for the AL West, as a playoff team just added a 25-year-old who posted 2.9 WAR this past season and can play all over the field. But this deal is also a case study in talent churning, and forces us to consider if there’s more eligible international talent out there than we realize. Here’s a rundown of the trade:
Oakland gets:
- Jurickson Profar, INF (from Texas)
Texas gets:
- Brock Burke, LHP (from Tampa Bay)
- Kyle Bird, LHP (from Tampa Bay)
- Yoel Espinal, RHP (from Tampa Bay)
- Eli White, INF (from Oakland)
- $750,000 International Amateur Pool Space (from Oakland)
Tampa Bay gets:
- Emilio Pagan, RHP (from Oakland)
- 2019 Draft Competitive Balance Round A selection, currently pick No. 38 overall (from Oakland)
- Rollie Lacy, RHP (from Texas)
There are so many moving parts in this deal that it might be best to evaluate how the deal balances by looking at additions and subtractions team-by-team, starting with Oakland.
Oakland
In: Jurickson Profar
Out: Emilio Pagan, Eli White, an early draft pick, a pretty large chunk of international pool space
Profar was once an upper echelon prospect, a hyper-advanced wunderkind who looked already looked comfortable and performed against upper-level minor leaguers when he was 17. He was lauded not because he had elite physical skills and was destined for superstardom, but because he was so polished, mature, safe, and competent in every facet of baseball, and he seemed likely to race through the minors and be an above-average big leaguer for a decade or more. He debuted with Texas at age 19, then spent a half decade in prospect limbo due to a myriad of injuries (most significantly, shoulder injuries that caused him to miss almost all of 2013 and 2014), and because Texas’ infield was full of Adrian Beltre, Elvis Andrus and Rougned Odor.
When Profar finally got healthy, he languished in the upper minors and became a vocal malcontent, especially when Texas neglected to call him up in September of 2017, after he had wrapped up a strong 2017 season at Triple-A. It was a transparent manipulation of Profar’s service time.
I collected updated thoughts on Profar in February and the reports were down a bit compared to where they were when he was a proper prospect. Of course, teams were aware of the context of his situation and thought some of the depressed reports were the result of him being aloof and frustrated with his organization, leaving open the possibility that he might break out if given a change of scenery. Instead, 2018 injuries opened up a spot on Texas’ infield, meaning Profar finally got regular big league at-bats, and broke out. He hit .253/.334/.458 with 20 homers, 35 doubles and 10 steals while playing all over the field. He tallied 2.9 WAR.
This Jay Jaffe post provides an exhaustive look at how Profar performed last year, though I think it’s worth adding that there’s a pretty significant disparity between what Baseball Savant expected Profar to slug based on his 2018 batted ball profile (xSLG of .393) and what xStats expected (.430), even though they’re setting out to measure the same thing. Barring a swing change that takes advantage of his bat-to-ball skills, it seems reasonable to expect a little bit of regression from Profar’s power output next year, but he’s still clearly a productive hitter and a versatile, if unspectacular, defender with two years of team control remaining. He’ll replace Jed Lowrie in Oakland and hit the open market in 2021. (Profar projects to be half a win better than Lowrie next year and is not an age-based risk to decline like Lowrie is.) Profar will be 28 when he starts his next contract.
In exchange, Oakland moved four years of control in a middle relief piece (Pagan) and a near-ready bench/utility type (Eli White), and two non-player assets in the draft pick and International pool space. The Brewers traded a similar pick in their deal for reliever Alex Claudio, which will likely result in a prospect who we’d evaluate as a 45 or 40+ FV player. White’s FV is similar. He’s a plus runner who can play all over the field and he has some bat to ball skills, but he probably lacks the power to profile as a true everyday player.
Texas
In: Brock Burke, Eli White, Kyle Bird, Yoel Espinal, $750,000 of International Pool Space
Out: Profar, Rollie Lacy
The Rangers are undergoing a full-scale rebuild and seems unlikely to be competitive during either of Profar’s two remaining arbitration years. Plus, the way they handled him in 2017 may have strained their relationship, making it less likely that he would re-sign with them. They’re also arguably selling high on a player who most of the industry seemed a bit down on before the season, has had injury issues, and whose power output might regress next year. In return they get back a package of quantity more than quality, with Burke and White as the de facto headliners.
Burke had a breakout 2018 (which really may have started in 2017) that ended with a dynamite month and a half at Double-A Montgomery, during which he struck out 71 hitters in 55 innings. He has a plus fastball that sits 91-95 and touches 96 but plays up because Burke creates huge, down-mound extension and has an uncommonly vertical arm slot. Changeup development likely played a role in his breakout, as the pitch was much different last year (82-85mph, at times with cut) than in 2017 (78-80mph), and it’s fair to speculate that something like a grip change took place here. Burke has two breaking balls that are both about average, though he uses the curveball pretty sparingly. He profiles as a No. 4 or 5 starter.
After doing very little in pro ball, White also had a breakout 2018 (albeit at age 24), and hit .306/.388/.450 at Double-A Midland. He then went to the Arizona Fall League, where he was heavily scrutinized by the entire industry. White had only really played shortstop until this year when he began seeing time at second and third base. He fits best at second but is fine at all three spots, and his plus speed might enable him to one day run down balls in the outfield as well. He’s a near-ready, multi-positional utility man who should provide the kind of defensive flexibility teams are starting to prioritize.
Bird is a lefty spin rate monster with four pitches. Last year, his low-80s slider averaged about 2650 rpm, his curveball about 2800, with both marks way above big league average. He sits 90-92 and has below-average command. He’s 25 and projects in middle relief. Espinal throws hard (94-95), and has a weird sinker/power changeup offspeed pitch in the 89-91 range. He doesn’t always clear his front side properly, which causes some of his fastballs to sail on him, but he can also dump his mid-80s slider into the strike zone. He’s 26 and also projects in middle relief, though teams are more certain about Bird’s prospects than Espinal’s because they’re more confident in Bird’s strike-throwing. From a Future Value standpoint, both Burke and White will both be in the 45/40+ area when we write up Texas’ system this offseason (likely slotting them in the 10-15 range of players in that farm), while Bird and Espinal will be in the 40/35+ area, at the back of the list.
It’s hard to say what Texas will do with an extra $750,000 in pool space. There have now been two trades involving pool space in the last week, the other being the Ivan Nova deal. Most big name individual international prospects have signed, but $750,000 is a pretty big chunk of change, and inspired me and colleague Kiley McDaniel to ask around baseball if there’s a player who is either eligible to sign right now or who teams speculate will be eligible before this IFA signing period ends in June. The consensus is that there is not, and that it’s more likely that Texas will spread this bonus money out among several $100,000 – $300,000 talents over the next couple of months.
Tampa Bay
In: Oakland’s Competitive Balance pick, Emilio Pagan, Rollie Lacy
Out: Burke, Bird, Espinal
Tampa Bay is reckoning with the same issue that other teams with deep farm systems have had to deal with: they need to consolidate their overflow of decent upper-level prospects or risk losing them for nothing when they hit minor league free agency or are Rule 5 eligible. Both Bird and Espinal are in their mid-20s, so turning them over into similarly valued assets that they’re not at risk of losing for a while makes a ton of sense. Burke is pretty good but for us, slots behind Brent Honeywell, Brendan McKay, a healthy Jose DeLeon and Anthony Banda, to say nothing of the pitchers already on the Rays big league roster. Essentially flipping him for a pick that should result in a prospect whose FV mirror’s Burke’s (as I posit in the Claudio article linked above) makes sense.
Pagan, now on his third org in three years after he was sent to Oakland in the Ryon Healy trade, immediately steps into the Rays bullpen as a traditional four-seam/slider middle reliever, and Lacy (who Texas acquired from the Cubs in the Cole Hamels deal) is the kind of strike-throwing, changeup arm Tampa Bay likes to horde as they attempt to build another Ryan Yarbrough. He has an upper-80s fastball and scouts have him as a up and down arm, but guys with good changeups like Lacy often outperform scout expectations.
Asset value calculations are tough to do precisely in a situation like this because $/WAR values are not linear, and the 2.5 WAR Profar is projected to generate next year means way more to a competitive team like Oakland than it does to a rebuilding Texas. Craig Edwards has Profar’s surplus value calculated at a combined $37 million over the next two years (his arbitration salary is likely to be low due to a relative lack of playing time, with MLB Trade Rumors projecting him to make $3.4 million), while Oakland gave up about $12 million worth of assets (White at $4 million, a Draft pick at $5 million, Pagan at $2 million, and IFA space of $1.5 mil) to acquire him based on Craig’s methodology. That seems like highway robbery for Oakland, but again, Profar wasn’t generating that kind of revenue on a bad Texas team. This makes it a common sense deal for the Rangers based on where they are on the competitive spectrum, even if it’s painful to part with a good everyday player the organization has been attached to for nearly a decade.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
Seems like highway robbery for Oakland. They give up a middle reliever, a utility infielder (and I like Eli White), a draft pick, and intl bonus money they can’t use to get a 2-3 WAR player with upside and several controllable years left. Sure, Texas couldn’t use Profar, but it seems like they could have gotten more. I suppose a strong FA market for 2B hurt them.
There are indeed a lot of decent 2B options available right now.
This is more or less my take from Oakland’s perspective as well. I don’t know how they managed to do this, but they somehow managed to turn a guy they probably wanted to replace anyway (Pagan), a potentially interesting utility piece who is 24 in AA, and international bonus money for a guy who can start on a playoff team, and is versatile enough to play elsewhere if Barreto forces himself into the conversation. Highway robbery, indeed. I’m pretty surprised no one topped it, but if they had both White and Burke as FV45s and Bird as a 40, then maybe they just liked those guys a lot? Still an excellent return for what Oakland gave up, and sort of meh for Texas.
You left out the #38 pick in the draft, probably the biggest loss on Oakland’s end. Still think it’s a great deal for them though, getting a very cheap 2B bridge to Barreto and who can still play all over in case of injuries to regulars.
As an A’s fan I’m not seeing how they could have done any better. Barreto now could be trade bait for a pitcher. For that matter so could Profar. They could trade both for pitchers and sign Lowrie or LeMahieu or just put Pinder at 2B and sign a utility guy.
I really thought LeMahieu had Oakland written all over him. (Though, I’m with you – that could still happen.) I think this was a really nice move for your A’s.
The Rays did well here too, Rollie Lacy is a 50 Grade name.
Yet another superb trade by the A’s!
I feel like this is a strong trade from the Rays as well. I think it speaks a lot to their front office that they were able to tangentally be involved in trades where they weren’t providing the core piece, and get what they valued (i.e. a more ready asset than Bauers, and trading upper minors talent for talent they don’t have to risk losing in the Rule 5 draft). Seems this easily could’ve been a two way trade without the Rays instead.
Yes although trading Bauers could be a big mistake
For a hitter (Profar), it’s a massive bummer moving from Arlington to Oakland. Being a switch hitter with positional versatility gives him a little extra value IMO. Pagan has decent stuff and gets his Ks, doesn’t walk too many, but he is homer-prone. There’s some decent 7th-8th inning type value to him if he can keep a few more balls in play next year. But going from the A’s park to the AL East looks to be a harsh assignment also.
It seems like a lot of people are thinking we’ve seen Profar’s ceiling. Could be. But he’s been really good at baseball forever and still isn’t very old. He’s still learning the major league game to some degree. Watching him last year, he seems to have a fine approach and bat to ball skills (that’s just my eyes talking so take with a grain of salt). If he can stay healthy and put together 1-2 seasons with regular ABs there is still the potential for him to take another step forward. (But as I said above, he’s running uphill changing home parks from Texas to Oakland.). I’m basically saying he was a Top Prospect for a reason and the book isn’t closed on him just yet.
Although the flip side, more succinctly, is he was always a top prospect because of his floor not his ceiling. He still hasnt hit the ceiling but this might be what it is. I like the trade though since Profar can play all 4 infield spots at least somewhat. Olie Chap and Semien play one spot Pinder Profar Barretto rove and spell while sharing 2B.
Sure sucks for Barreto
Barreto will be 24 when Profar leaves and can hit his way onto the team and also might be in the OF mix. I hope they carry him all year and use him everywhere.
still young still needs to work on his Ks and the team is competitive now he shouldnt be plan A and now he isnt
Fair point re Profar being considered a floor prospect over a ceiling guy. They also said this about Bregman. I also remember a lot of people being really excited about Profar’s potential when he was a kid. The truth is we’re still mostly guessing with this stuff.
The Rays also specifically made this trade to open up a roster spot for Charlie Morton, who they officially signed today.
I was thinking that with Pagan and the Soria signing, but the A’s are still only at 38. It really still makes me wonder why Martin wasnt protected with 3 open spots, and an I dont know why he wasnt already DFA Aaron Brooks. I guess they think Martins chances of lasting all season arnt good, so maybe it was better to lose him in the rule 5 and maybe get him returned then 40 man him and risk having to DFA him and lose him for sure?
The Rays are at 40 and essentially replaced Bird and Burke with Pagan and Morton today.
I remain puzzled by the Martin thing for the same reasons. If they end up trading an IF or two for a SP or two, Martin could have been a useful utility piece. Certainly he had more trade value than Aaron Brooks. They must really love Aaron Brooks for some reason.
I dont think Martin is you UT on a competitive team. I think theres a decent chance he is unplayable outside of late inning DF replacement, so I wouldnt be shocked if the Os just cant carry him since I doubt his bat is ready.
Well sure, he’s a middling prospect and probably sucks. The issue is that middling prospects with his tools sometimes make it as utility guys.
But a team in OAK place couldnt afford him on the 25 I just think he could have been fit on the 40
So I’m more or less in agreement that this is a huge win for Oakland and it seems kind of light for Texas, although Bird, White, and Burke are all kind of interesting. But I think Tampa made some mistakes here. Burke is likely the best minor leaguer in the whole trade, and Pagan isn’t really very good. I get the Pagan-Claudio comparison as lefty relievers with some control, but Pagan was below-replacement last year and projects for replacement level this year. In fact, he projects similarly to Bird, and they’re both lefties. The draft pick is nice, and it’s probably about the same value as Bird, which is a clever little move to clear up the Rule 5 crunch. Lacy is a 23 year old who struggled in High-A.
Overall, Oakland did very well, Texas’s return seemed kind of light but it might be okay, and I think Tampa Bay probably made a mistake.
Claudio wasnt in the article as a talent comparison he was in there because he was just 1 for 1 with a draft pick which gives a clear picture of the picks value. The Rays send 2 protection needed players out for a 4-5 year protected fresh player of similar outlook. I think the Rays just see the same upside OAK did when getting Pagan last year and the upside is real when the downside doesnt bite you. I do think Pagan is a worse pickup for Tampa because they have a worse park then Oak for that type of pitcher.
Your point is a good one but Pagan is right handed
That makes it even worse!
And it makes your point even better!
This really seems like Profar was the proverbial money burning a hole in Texas’ pocket after he finally became an asset for them. With two years left I don’t see the upside in making this trade rather than giving him playing time and trying to get a serious return at the deadline.
Another angle to this: What if Barreto’s bat forces the issue, and Semien’s bat continues to decline? Profar might end up at SS in that scenario, if Semien’s bat continues to be bad, being that defense isn’t really his specialty despite his hilarious gold glove finalist nod – it was Olson and Olson alone who made him/everyone look WAY better than they were last year, I’ve never seen a better 1B defensive year in my life, he scooped bad throws multiple times a game it felt like.
But yeah, Profar is an excellent pickup and Texas could have gotten a better haul for him. Rays did really well here in moving prospect overflow as outlined in the piece. You can bet they’ll grab a high schooler with that pick too.
Barreto’s bat has a ways to go before it forces any issues. I am rooting for him but the A’s are telling you what they think here a little bit.
I just noticed that you think Semien is a bad hitter. I’ll give you defensively he’s below average but Semien – while streaky – is well rounded and had some periods of excellence this season in particular. When he was on fire in the first half he was firing RBI doubles to the gap like a vintage Pedroia. Well rounded guys are usually underrated (see Bill James overstatement re Craig Biggio).
I’ll grant it’s totally possible, even preferable that Barreto and Profar both break out and make Semien expendable. But it’s not exactly right to say his bat is either bad or declining. He was 13th in wRC+ out of 21 qualified shortstops — not good but not bad. And he’s been at 97, 98, 96, 95 the last four years. Let’s not overthink that variation — it’s just as likely random chance around a mean as ‘decline.’
He’s even been good in different ways. We all remember the 27 homers. Probably a mirage, but if he taps back into that power while retaining some of his gains in OBP, OK, let’s talk. (Gains, not saying he’s a good OBP guy at all yet…I love Bob Melvin but it was painful to watch Semien lead off so often.)
And while we’re all pretty sure Matt Chapman is the reason for Semien’s defensive rise, he still had to not mess it up. He didn’t! He was 19th in bWARP overall, somehow!
However, I do think it’s important to say that I like the potential upside added by the A’s. This feels like a super high-variance team, in terms of final outcomes.
Matt Chapman is the reason for everything good in baseball. 🙂
was glad to see the new stadium plans still have decent foul territory for him to work with.
This.
Beltre is my favorite player, ever. Having Chapman to watch takes a little bit of the sting away from the cruel reality of a Beltre-less baseball future.
Everyone chose to ignore issues with Profar and is now surprised by the relatively low return. Look closer though and there is a lot of worry with him for next year. This move and general regression to his mean could easily cost 10 homers , he is a negative with the glove, always low BABIP and dropped his walk rate significantly last season. He is really just a multi position utility bench guy and the Rangers got the return for such.
In fairness he did rate out as an above average 1b and 2b last year, though he is probably below average at SS. He has been a low BABIP guy and his exit velocity last year was not great, I believe it was 87 and change which puts him below the top 200 last year. So, his BABIP might go up, but not as much as you would think and probably his power is down to 10-12 HR but with good contact skills and a 9-10% BB rate that is still a valuable player for two years. He could improve still sure but probably unlikely. His floor with the good 2b defense and contact skills is solid though.
May be teams regress profar more than the projections do based on the statcast data and see him more as a 1.5 win guy moving forward.