Even With Their Co-Aces Back, the Mets’ Rotation Needs a Depth Reset

After a doubleheader sweep against the Guardians Sunday, the Mets have stretched their winning streak to five and stand two games above .500 for the first time since May 3. In the double-bill, co-aces Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer combined for 14 innings while allowing just one run. Granted, they mowed down the league’s worst offense by wRC+, but for fans, the pair’s dominance was a sight for sore eyes: Verlander missed all of April with a shoulder issue and Scherzer has had to work around a sticky-stuff suspension, a neck issue, and general ineffectiveness this year. Given these obstacles, it’s reasonable to wonder whether Sunday represented the turning point fans were hoping for or a mere blip in a season of decline for the veteran hurlers. To protect against the latter, the Mets will have to take a hard look at their starting pitching depth.
Coming into the season, we ranked the Mets starting staff as the second-best in the league, right behind the Yankees. While the Bombers have had to weather some injuries of their own, their starters have still managed to post an above-average WAR, FIP, and ERA. Head across the city to Queens, though, and you’ll find the second, third, and sixth-worst staff by WAR, FIP, and ERA, respectively. Clearly, the problems aren’t limited to their top two starters.
Due to ailments of their own, the Mets have gotten just 18.2 frames out of José Quintana and Carlos Carrasco combined. But one reason we liked the Amazins’ staff so much to begin the season was their enviable depth — their sixth, seventh, and eighth starters in David Peterson, Tylor Megill, and Joey Lucchesi easily could have started the season as part of the top-five somewhere else. The three of them have all been healthy, and along with Kodai Senga and the (inconsistent) contributions of Scherzer, that alone should have made for a serviceable starting five through April.
Senga has held his own, and we don’t have to re-hash Scherzer’s struggles, but the other three depth players have been disappointing. Megill, whose 3.88 ERA masks ugly peripherals and ERA estimators all north of 5.00, is the only one remaining in the rotation. The estimators are similarly pessimistic about Lucchesi’s performance despite a decent 4.43 ERA. And then there’s Peterson, with rosier peripherals but an atrocious 8.08 ERA. The Mets need to keep the latter two stretched out in the minors, but if they didn’t, there probably wouldn’t be a place for them, even in a bullpen that is also below average by WAR, FIP, and ERA. I’ll give Lucchesi somewhat of a mulligan since he missed all of last year due to Tommy John and is still getting his legs under him, but can the Mets tweak the other two hurlers to ensure they have a better cushion for the stretch run? Or is it too early to suggest that the team peruse the trade market?
Let’s start by taking a look at the one pitcher in the trio due for at least some positive regression — Peterson. There’s just no way he’ll continue to run an exorbitant .404 BABIP, an enormous 25.0% HR/FB ratio, and a paltry 58.8% strand rate; these marks rank second-highest, third-highest, and fourth-lowest among the 128 pitchers with at least 30 innings this year. He’s also posting a career-best groundball rate and near-best K-BB%, which is why SIERA and xFIP like him so much.
At the same time, that BABIP may remain somewhat elevated as long as he continues allowing career-high barrel (9.8%) and hard-hit (43.4%) rates. Those two marks are in the 26th and 25th percentiles, respectively, this season. As a result, his xERA of 5.19 is in the 22nd percentile.
What explains the batted-ball results? As things stand right now, the first four seasons of Peterson’s career have alternated between good and very poor. Those numbers track with his luck indicators, yes, but they’ve also tracked with the results on his slider:
| Year | IP | ERA | xERA | BABIP | LOB% | HR/FB | SL Run Value |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2020 | 49.2 | 3.44 | 4.39 | .233 | 76.8 | 10.2 | 5.7 |
| 2021 | 66.2 | 5.54 | 5.96 | .306 | 65.4 | 22.4 | -5.5 |
| 2022 | 105.2 | 3.83 | 3.94 | .313 | 73.9 | 15.1 | 5.0 |
| 2023 | 39.0 | 8.08 | 5.20 | .404 | 58.8 | 25.0 | -12.8 |
The slide-piece has always been Peterson’s go-to non-fastball, but he’s also never thrown it more than 30% in a season. It’s interesting that the pitch seems to make or break his whole repertoire; the Mets may have sensed that as well, and decided to make it more of an establishing pitch this year (a tip I received from my friend James Schiano at Mets’d Up). Peterson has thrown 44% of his sliders in even counts and 45% of them in the zone this year, both career highs.
On his career, Peterson’s slide-piece has cost him 8.2 runs in even counts and saved him half a run in all others. Similarly, the pitch has cost him 7.1 runs in the zone and only 0.6 outside of it. This year has been no exception:
| Year | In-Zone RV | Out-of-Zone RV | Even RV | Other Counts RV |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2020 | 4.4 | 1.2 | 2.3 | 3.4 |
| 2021 | -6.2 | 0.7 | -5.5 | 0.0 |
| 2022 | 6.2 | -1.3 | 2.4 | 2.6 |
| 2023 | -11.6 | -1.3 | -7.3 | -5.5 |
It’s worth noting that he’s thrown it harder than ever this season while his fastball velocity has dropped a tick, narrowing the gap between the two pitches. The movement is also tighter, with an inch and a half less induced horizontal break. Perhaps the Mets encouraged Peterson to throw the tighter slider, and throw it for strikes more often. Perhaps the move to the new slider was inadvertent, and it’s only been in the zone more often because the drop in horizontal break has kept it from dropping off the plate. Yet another possibility is that the Mets, seeing how much better last year’s slider was in the zone (bucking the trend for Peterson’s career), told him to throw it for strikes but didn’t anticipate the movement being tighter. Whatever the case may be, the pitch is not working, with career worsts in CSW% (29.6) and barrel rate (15.6%) in addition to run value, so we might see a different slider if he’s recalled.
When it comes to luck, Megill has been the opposite of Peterson this season, running career bests in BABIP (.278), HR/FB ratio (12.2%), and strand rate (79.2%). His 8.6% barrel rate is a career low, which explains some of the BABIP improvement, but he’s still handily outperforming his 6.04 xERA. That astronomical number is probably because of his weak 6% K-BB rate, eighth-worst among the 104 pitchers with at least 40 innings this season. It seems pretty clear that if he wants to keep his ERA below four going forward, something will have to change.
Like Peterson, Megill’s primary breaking ball has also been going through changes. Unlike Peterson, his slider has lost a couple ticks and become bendier; it’s lost about an inch of horizontal movement but gained over an inch and a half of drop. Like Peterson, the result has also been a career-worst CSW% and barrel rate; the only reason it has saved Megill a run rather than cost him many is because hitters have underperformed their xwOBA on the pitch by over 100 points. Megill has also lost a tick on his fastball this season, so at least the slower slide-piece maintains the velocity separation. But the new shape probably isn’t doing him any favors.
On the other hand, there might be an easier fix for Megill than Peterson; while the new slide-piece doesn’t seem too inspiring, his new curve does. He’s throwing it just over three ticks slower, but the deuce has gained a massive amount of movement — four inches of drop and around three inches of horizontal break. It’s notched a career-high 31.3% CSW and a .177/.193 wOBA/xwOBA, albeit with just eight balls in play on record. Despite the small sample with the curve, it’s hard to argue in favor of that slider at the moment; there’s little to lose in trying the curve as Megill’s primary breaking ball.
If we choose to view Megill’s breaking ball tweaks as purposeful too, it’s easy to see how they align strategically with Peterson’s. The tall left-hander had a much better slider than fastball last year, so the Mets figured a tighter slider could be the solution to setting hitters up. Megill, on the other hand, has gone to his four-seamer over 50% of the time each season he’s been in the majors, and for good reason. Though he’s lost some velo on it this year, he still has 98th-percentile extension, which makes its speed play up. Peterson has 95th-percentile extension, but his heater is slower and doesn’t have the arm-side run Megill’s does; he’s tried a sinker too, but it’s been his worst pitch by run value on his career (its shape is also different this year, possibly reducing the mirroring effect between it and the slider). The bottom line is that when it comes to Megill, the Mets are content to have him continue to rely on his fastball as a setup pitch, and have moved to make his breaking balls more whiffy. The strategy hasn’t worked for his slider, but his curve could be transforming from an afterthought into a legitimate weapon.
Assuming they aren’t accidental, I can understand why these changes came to fruition. But it’s clear that Peterson and Megill both need more workshopping, the kind that should probably be done in the minors. Unfortunately, the Mets will be stuck with at least one of them at the major league level until July, when Quintana is set to return. For the time being, Megill will hold Quintana’s spot, and his solid ERA has made him a more palatable option for fans. Just don’t expect it to be solid going forward unless more changes come to pass.
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If they’re looking for a playoff-worthy pitcher, they’ll have to find a way to pry Giolito or E-Rod away from their teams in the AL Central. That won’t be easy, but let’s say they just want a 4th or 5th starter to make sure Megill, Peterson, and Lucchesi aren’t in the rotation. You’re probably looking at someone like Lance Lynn, Zack Greinke, Mike Clevinger, Trevor Williams, or Patrick Corbin. And those guys don’t seem like much of an upgrade on the guys they already have.
Corbin Burnes?
I cannot imagine the Brewers trading Burnes (or Woodruff) for anything less than an enormous haul, and anyone who would even sort of qualify as a headliner for the Mets is contributing to their major league team.
It’s a bit of a long-shot because these teams typically don’t consolidate, but the Rays and Orioles are the teams that the Brewers would probably prefer to talk to. Also, Burnes has to pitch better and Woodruff has to get healthy, so the point may be moot.
In the Mets FO’s ‘favor,’ they’ve been so stuporously inept at creating positions other than 3B or DH for Vientos and Mauricio that they can deal both without missing either.
Megill claims to be throwing a new slider the last few starts, so we’ll see how that goes, but I think he’s probably a middle reliever, as his stuff backed up as has his command and control since getting hurt last May. Peterson had elite whiff and chase rates on his slider and looked like at least a back end starter last year, and possibly better if he threw more strikes but this year he’s gotten clobbered especially by lefties. Carrasco has a bone spur and due to it his stuff has backed up and he’s gotten wrecked and I don’t think he’ll be competent due to the injury. Who knows maybe they trade for a guy like Giolito though I’d argue they should look at Mike Vasil, who is dominating in AA with a sublime strike out to walk rate. Who really knows about Lucchesi and I really don’t wanna see much more of Butto. The rotation has a good week but overall has been hideous and the bullpen is starting to struggle this month.
Vasil seems inevitable at this point – he’s pitching so well and the mets starters are so mid
Vasil also has a ridiculous 19.2% SwStr, although the fact that he’s facing Double-A hitters accounts for a good bit of that, and he’s getting fewer called strikes than one might expect. He’s a flyball pitcher who throws strikes, but they aren’t always quality strikes, so I expect he’ll be a little bit homer-prone. That said, he and the Mets have had to undo a lot of damage (for lack of a better description) that his coaches at UVa did to him, so I do think the command will improve. We don’t have access to his pitch data, of course, and I’d have to manually calculate the performance of each of his pitches, but having watched his outings, his four-seamer is up a tick, sitting 94-95 with some 96s and 97s. It has good life up in the zone, and I like how his curveball pairs with it. He also throws a pretty good 87-88mph slider, and while his changeup is pretty inconsistent, it shows flashes of being plus (and when it’s on, it’s fun to watch him commit righty-on-righty changeup crimes). I don’t think he’ll be an ace or anything, but I do think he can be a solid, mid-rotation starter. If he continues to dominate, I could see him getting Megill’d up to Triple-A and then to the big leagues fairly quickly out of desperation, as the Mets’ pitching depth continues to erode.
Good points all. The only hesitation I have about Vasil is that rushing guys to the majors is what the Mets did with Peterson and Megill, and it hasn’t gotten them very far. Peterson had no success above A ball when the shoved him into the rotation, and Megill had only 45 innings above A ball when he came to the MLB Mets. That’s about where Vasil is now. If they think he has any real promise, then short circuiting his development they way they did with Peterson and Megill just to try to squeeze a few passable starts from Vasil might not be the right road.
Meet the 2023 Mets. Same as the 2021 Mets. (Not exactly, but there are some alarming similarities.) I was called names for expressing skepticism about this team before the season started (even here), but things have played out pretty much as I expected. Last week was fun and all, and comeback wins make for good narratives, but at the end of the day, we’re talking about some one-run wins in which they mostly played from behind—including three against a terrible offense—sandwiched in between getting dominated by sub-.500 teams. (And they’re starting to make mental mistakes, which they had previously managed to avoid.) As presently constructed, they’re not a good team, they’re not a horrendous team (they do have the third-worst adjusted Pythag in the NL, but that sounds stupid to say out loud), they’re just…the Meh-ts.
Oddly missing from every analysis I read this past offseason was how fortunate the 2022 Mets had been. They got surprisingly good health and strong performances from nearly everyone. To expect that to continue when they only got older for 2023 was… optimistic, to put it blandly.
As for the widespread assertions that Peterson, Megill, and Lucchesi could start for half the teams in the league when none of those three had anything like a solid track record of even modest success in the majors, approached delusion. In addition, they were no longer young, so expecting success based on a positive aging curve was not in the cards. And never mind expecting Carrasco, with one season since 2019 above 70 innings with an ERA under 5.29, to succeed in 2023. Lumping him in with #6-7 starters like Peterson, Megill, and Lucchesi made more sense than thinking of him as legitimate rotation material.
That left two former aces who probably wouldn’t be such in 2023, an uncertain performer making the move from Japan, and Jose Quintana’s rib injury. For an above average but ancient and hardly elite offense and a rotation probably booking half its starts from guys they didn’t really want starting games for them, even 90 wins looked excessive.