FanGraphs 2017 Staff Predictions
Hello friends. With the countdown to the season tantalizingly close to zero, it’s time to tell you what we actually think is going to happen this season. We’re not always great at this, and I don’t think you’d want us to always be great at this, because frankly, that’d be terribly boring. But we do like to conduct the thought exercise of who is going to reach the postseason, because it’s good fun and also because it helps us frame our expectations for the season.
Last season, we were able to identify seven of the 10 playoff teams successfully, though not necessarily in their correct postseason positions. Will we do as well or better this season? Only time will tell. As is often the case, some teams got the overwhelming majority of the love, and some teams got coal in their baseball stocking.
Let’s get to it, shall we? We’ll start with the American League.
| Team | East | Central | West | WC 1 | WC 2 | Postseason |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cleveland | 53 | 53 | ||||
| Boston | 43 | 6 | 2 | 51 | ||
| Houston | 38 | 10 | 2 | 50 | ||
| Toronto | 6 | 18 | 9 | 33 | ||
| Seattle | 9 | 9 | 10 | 28 | ||
| Texas | 5 | 7 | 7 | 19 | ||
| New York | 2 | 2 | 13 | 17 | ||
| Detroit | 1 | 7 | 8 | |||
| Baltimore | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | ||
| Tampa Bay | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | ||
| Los Angeles of Anaheim | 2 | 1 | 3 | |||
| Oakland | 0 | |||||
| Chicago | 0 | |||||
| Kansas City | 0 | |||||
| Minnesota | 0 |
The division winners are pretty clear cut here, though it is interesting that all five AL East teams got at least one vote. That happened once last year, with the AL Central, and it happens again this year. Speaking of the AL Central, everyone is pretty sure that Cleveland is going to walk away with the crown. Things are the least clear cut in the West, which is the only division of the six where at least three teams garnered at least five votes. Things are similarly spread out in the Wild Card voting, as six teams got at least eight votes.
Overall, the big winner here — if you can even win a staff predictions poll — is Seattle. Last year they garnered just two postseason votes, this year it’s 28, for a 26-vote improvement (we had 55 voters last year, and 54 this year). Cleveland also gained 19 votes, though they were still a popular pick last season. The big loser, in terms of votes, is Kansas City, who drop from 30 to zero. Toronto also lost 14 votes. The real loser though is probably Oakland, as no one had enough hope or faith to grant them a single postseason vote either this year or last. I feel so badly about it, I won’t even make a joke.
| Team | East | Central | West | WC 1 | WC 2 | Postseason |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chicago | 53 | 1 | 54 | |||
| Washington | 47 | 5 | 1 | 53 | ||
| Los Angeles | 49 | 2 | 51 | |||
| New York | 7 | 19 | 14 | 40 | ||
| San Francisco | 2 | 14 | 13 | 29 | ||
| St. Louis | 1 | 6 | 8 | 15 | ||
| Colorado | 3 | 2 | 7 | 12 | ||
| Pittsburgh | 3 | 6 | 9 | |||
| Miami | 3 | 3 | ||||
| Arizona | 2 | 2 | ||||
| Atlanta | 1 | 1 | ||||
| Philadelphia | 1 | 1 | ||||
| Cincinnati | 0 | |||||
| Milwaukee | 0 | |||||
| San Diego | 0 |
Things are a bit more clear cut here, as all three division winners received at least 45 votes, as opposed to the AL, where only Cleveland did. Also, the second Wild Card team here — San Francisco — got 27 votes as opposed to just 19 for the second AL Wild Card team.
There wasn’t a tremendous winner in the NL — Colorado is the pick if you need one. After an 0-fer last year, the fighting Rockies garnered 12 votes this season, the highest positive difference in the league. Washington is +11, but they were still plenty popular last season. The big loser is Pittsburgh, who is down 19 votes from last season. And poor Cincinnati and San Diego, no votes either this year or last. Atlanta, Colorado, Miami and Philadelphia get off the schneide.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Mike Trout | 34 |
| Francisco Lindor | 7 |
| Carlos Correa | 5 |
| Manny Machado | 5 |
| Mookie Betts | 3 |
Baseball is so stacked with good, fun to watch young players, it’s really something. So what if Mike Trout doesn’t want to be LeBron James? Francisco Lindor could be, and there’s no shortage of charismatic players after him either.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Chris Sale | 17 |
| Corey Kluber | 15 |
| Yu Darvish | 7 |
| Masahiro Tanaka | 4 |
| Carlos Carrasco | 3 |
| Chris Archer | 2 |
| Marcus Stroman | 2 |
| Justin Verlander | 2 |
| Aaron Sanchez | 1 |
| Lance McCullers | 1 |
This is one of two awards we voted on that didn’t have a clear consensus, and it’s not hard to see why. With the relief pitching renaissance happening in the game, it makes it harder for any one starting pitcher to stand out. There are a couple of unique choices here, and yes, there will be a Lance McCullers column coming soon.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Andrew Benintendi | 40 |
| Jharel Cotton | 4 |
| Mitch Haniger | 4 |
| Aaron Judge | 2 |
| Bradley Zimmer | 2 |
| Trey Mancini | 1 |
| Yoan Moncada | 1 |
It always feels a little weird to me when there is a consensus Rookie of the Year pick. Rookie play is generally so volatile that it seems odd to land on one player in particular, but in this case, it’s hard to argue. Benintendi came up last season, hit well, and wasn’t intimidated by the Green Monster or the postseason. The biggest knock on him seems to be that he might not hit as many homers as we’d like to see in a left fielder, and that’s a pretty thin criticism given how dramatically left field play has declined.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Bryce Harper | 17 |
| Kris Bryant | 10 |
| Nolan Arenado | 9 |
| Corey Seager | 6 |
| Buster Posey | 3 |
| Clayton Kershaw | 2 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 2 |
| Trea Turner | 2 |
| Christian Yelich | 2 |
| Anthony Rizzo | 1 |
The lack of consensus here is also incredibly fun to me, especially since I could see all 10 of these guys having legit MVP cases. It’s going to be a good season.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Clayton Kershaw | 37 |
| Noah Syndergaard | 11 |
| Jacob deGrom | 2 |
| Carlos Martinez | 2 |
| Madison Bumgarner | 1 |
| Johnny Cueto | 1 |
It’s my personal opinion that Trout and Kershaw need to be the picks for their respective awards until they show some sort of meaningful decline, but obviously not everyone shares that opinion. But there is at least a consensus second-place pick in Syndergaard.
| Player | Votes |
|---|---|
| Dansby Swanson | 27 |
| Robert Gsellman | 12 |
| Manuel Margot | 5 |
| Hunter Renfroe | 4 |
| Josh Bell | 2 |
| J.P. Crawford | 1 |
| Amir Garrett | 1 |
| Austin Meadows | 1 |
| Luke Weaver | 1 |
For the record, there was one Andrew Toles pick, but I asked that person to change it. There has been some debate as to Toles’ rookie eligibility, and while he may still retain it, Baseball-Reference says he doesn’t, so we’ll stick with that ruling for now.
So there you have it. Another year of predictions for you to mock. Here, I’ll even help you get started.
Happy baseball!
| Author | East | Central | West | WC 1 | WC 2 | MVP | CY | RoY |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adam Dorhauer | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | SEA | Trout | Sale | Judge |
| Alec Denton | BOS | CLE | HOU | TEX | DET | Trout | Archer | Benintendi |
| Alex Chamberlain | BOS | CLE | LAA | HOU | SEA | Machado | Carrasco | Benintendi |
| Alex Remington | BOS | CLE | HOU | TEX | TOR | Betts | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Andrew Perpetua | TOR | CLE | TEX | BOS | SEA | Trout | Tanaka | Benintendi |
| Ben Kaspick | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | TEX | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Benjamin Pasinkoff | BOS | CLE | HOU | TEX | NYY | Trout | Verlander | Benintendi |
| Bill Petti | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | SEA | Lindor | Sale | Benintendi |
| Birchwood Brothers | TOR | CLE | SEA | HOU | BOS | Trout | Stroman | Haniger |
| Brad Johnson | TB | DET | LAA | TEX | SEA | Trout | Darvish | Haniger |
| Brandon Warne | BOS | CLE | HOU | TEX | TOR | Trout | Stroman | Benintendi |
| Brice Russ | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | NYY | Trout | Darvish | Benintendi |
| Carson Cistulli | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | NYY | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Chris Gigley | BAL | CLE | HOU | BOS | TEX | Lindor | Sale | Moncada |
| Chris Mitchell | BOS | CLE | TEX | HOU | SEA | Trout | Darvish | Benintendi |
| Craig Edwards | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | TEX | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Dave Cameron | NYY | CLE | HOU | BOS | TOR | Correa | McCullers | Haniger |
| Dave Studeman | TOR | CLE | HOU | BOS | NYY | Lindor | Kluber | Benintendi |
| David Laurila | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | DET | Machado | Sale | Benintendi |
| Dustin Nosler | BOS | CLE | HOU | NYY | SEA | Correa | Aa. Sanchez | Haniger |
| Emma Baccellieri | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | NYY | Lindor | Sale | Benintendi |
| Eno Sarris | BOS | CLE | HOU | NYY | DET | Correa | Darvish | Cotton |
| Eric Longenhagen | TB | CLE | HOU | TOR | BOS | Machado | Sale | Benintendi |
| Greg Simons | BOS | CLE | TEX | HOU | BAL | Trout | Sale | Judge |
| Jason Linden | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | SEA | Trout | Verlander | Benintendi |
| Jeff Sullivan | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | TEX | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Jeff Zimmerman | BOS | CLE | TEX | TOR | HOU | Trout | Darvish | Cotton |
| Joe Distelheim | BOS | CLE | SEA | HOU | TOR | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Joe Douglas | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | SEA | Betts | Kluber | Benintendi |
| John LaRue | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | TEX | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| John Paschal | BOS | CLE | TEX | SEA | DET | Lindor | Darvish | Benintendi |
| Jon Roegele | BOS | CLE | HOU | TEX | NYY | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Jonah Pemstein | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | SEA | Trout | Tanaka | Benintendi |
| Josh Shepardson | BOS | CLE | HOU | TEX | TOR | Trout | Darvish | Benintendi |
| Justin Mason | BOS | CLE | SEA | HOU | DET | Trout | Carrasco | Zimmer |
| Justin Vibber | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | TB | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Kate Preusser | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | TOR | Machado | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Marc Hulet | NYY | CLE | SEA | BOS | HOU | Machado | Sale | Mancini |
| Michelle Jay | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | NYY | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Mike Podhorzer | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | LAA | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Neil Weinberg | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | TEX | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Nick Stellini | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | TEX | Trout | Tanaka | Benintendi |
| Paul Sporer | BOS | CLE | SEA | HOU | DET | Correa | Tanaka | Cotton |
| Paul Swydan | BOS | CLE | SEA | HOU | NYY | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Roger Cheng | BOS | CLE | SEA | TOR | NYY | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Ryan Pollack | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | BAL | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Rylan Edwards | BOS | CLE | SEA | HOU | NYY | Betts | Kluber | Cotton |
| Scott Spratt | TOR | CLE | HOU | TB | DET | Trout | Archer | Benintendi |
| Sean Dolinar | TOR | CLE | HOU | BOS | NYY | Correa | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Shakeia Taylor | TOR | CLE | HOU | BAL | NYY | Lindor | Carrasco | Benintendi |
| Shane Tourtellotte | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | TOR | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Stacey Gotsulias | BOS | CLE | HOU | SEA | TOR | Trout | Sale | Benintendi |
| Travis Sawchik | BOS | CLE | HOU | TOR | NYY | Trout | Kluber | Benintendi |
| Trey Baughn | BOS | CLE | SEA | HOU | TOR | Lindor | Kluber | Zimmer |
| Author | East | Central | West | WC 1 | WC 2 | MVP | Cy | RoY |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adam Dorhauer | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Seager | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Alec Denton | NYM | CHC | LAD | WAS | STL | Posey | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Alex Chamberlain | NYM | CHC | LAD | WAS | COL | Arenado | Syndergaard | Gsellman |
| Alex Remington | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | PIT | Stanton | Syndergaard | Swanson |
| Andrew Perpetua | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| Ben Kaspick | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Bryant | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Benjamin Pasinkoff | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Seager | Syndergaard | Renfroe |
| Bill Petti | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Seager | deGrom | Swanson |
| Birchwood Brothers | WAS | CHC | COL | LAD | NYM | Turner | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| Brad Johnson | NYM | STL | COL | CHC | PHI | Arenado | Martinez | Gsellman |
| Brandon Warne | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| Brice Russ | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | STL | Bryant | Kershaw | Renfroe |
| Carson Cistulli | WAS | CHC | LAD | ARI | NYM | Harper | Kershaw | Margot |
| Chris Gigley | WAS | CHC | SF | COL | Miami | Arenado | Bumgarner | Swanson |
| Chris Mitchell | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | PIT | Harper | Kershaw | Margot |
| Craig Edwards | WAS | CHC | LAD | STL | PIT | Kershaw | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Dave Cameron | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | STL | Harper | Syndergaard | Gsellman |
| Dave Studeman | NYM | CHC | LAD | WAS | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| David Laurila | WAS | CHC | LAD | COL | PIT | Arenado | Kershaw | Renfroe |
| Dustin Nosler | WAS | CHC | LAD | PIT | NYM | Bryant | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Emma Baccellieri | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Harper | Kershaw | Margot |
| Eno Sarris | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | COL | Harper | deGrom | Renfroe |
| Eric Longenhagen | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | COL | Arenado | Syndergaard | Swanson |
| Greg Simons | NYM | CHC | LAD | STL | WAS | Seager | Cueto | Gsellman |
| Jason Linden | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Bryant | Kershaw | Garrett |
| Jeff Sullivan | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Bryant | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Jeff Zimmerman | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | PIT | Harper | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| Joe Distelheim | WAS | CHC | LAD | ARI | NYM | Rizzo | Syndergaard | Gsellman |
| Joe Douglas | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| John LaRue | WAS | CHC | LAD | STL | SF | Bryant | Kershaw | Swanson |
| John Paschal | WAS | CHC | LAD | PIT | COL | Arenado | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Jon Roegele | WAS | CHC | LAD | STL | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Jonah Pemstein | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | STL | Harper | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Josh Shepardson | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Harper | Kershaw | Gsellman |
| Justin Mason | WAS | CHC | COL | LAD | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Margot |
| Justin Vibber | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Bryant | Syndergaard | Swanson |
| Kate Preusser | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | STL | Stanton | Syndergaard | Swanson |
| Marc Hulet | WAS | CHC | SF | NYM | COL | Arenado | Syndergaard | Swanson |
| Michelle Jay | NYM | CHC | LAD | WAS | Miami | Posey | Syndergaard | Swanson |
| Mike Podhorzer | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Kershaw | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Neil Weinberg | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | STL | Posey | Kershaw | Crawford |
| Nick Stellini | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | COL | Arenado | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Paul Sporer | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Arenado | Kershaw | Weaver |
| Paul Swydan | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | Miami | Yelich | Kershaw | Bell |
| Roger Cheng | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Harper | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Ryan Pollack | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Bryant | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Rylan Edwards | NYM | CHC | LAD | WAS | STL | Seager | Kershaw | Bell |
| Scott Spratt | WAS | CHC | LAD | STL | Atlanta | Bryant | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Sean Dolinar | WAS | CHC | LAD | PIT | NYM | Harper | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Shakeia Taylor | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | PIT | Bryant | Syndergaard | Margot |
| Shane Tourtellotte | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | STL | Turner | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Stacey Gotsulias | WAS | CHC | LAD | NYM | SF | Seager | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Travis Sawchik | WAS | CHC | LAD | SF | NYM | Harper | Kershaw | Swanson |
| Trey Baughn | WAS | CHC | LAD | STL | COL | Yelich | Martinez | Meadows |
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No votes for Rookie Davis for NL ROY? Shame!
2017 the year of the Great Gsellman Schism.
Shouldn’t that be Gschism?
Or Gschism?
Weird to me that you would split vote on individual wild card teams. Seattle ends up with 19 total WC votes… but NYY get the second WC position because they got 3 more “#2 WC” votes… even though the NYY got 6 fewer total WC votes than Seattle. Or am I missing something? (quite possible!)
sorry… NYY have 4 fewer total WC votes than Seattle… I can’t add. But same point.
You have 54 people on staff?!?!
To be clear, I think that is GREAT. I am glad FG has the resources to have so many aboard – I just never would have guessed it would be so many!
Not all of them are full-time employees by any means. Most are paid per article or contributors or guest writers (like Katie).
Brad Johnson hates the Cubs! HA!!!
…and the Indians!
He really doubled down.
I think Brad Johnson was drunk when he made these picks, or maybe his pet monkey got to it first and put in random teams.
Mets Over Nats?
Cards over Cubs?
Rockies over Dodgers?
Phillies beat out LAD and WAS for a Wildcard?
His AL picks are bad too. Maybe he was confused and thought this was bold predictions, not just predictions.
This is egregious.
Read his rotographs post, he purposefully chose to make predictions he doesnt believe in just to be different. Odd choice.
Not an odd choice at all. With 4 of his division winner predictions (LAA, DET, NYM, STL), he picked the most statistically underselected team in the division. Another is underselected (TB tho TOR is the most underselected). Only the COL choice is overselected (SF being the underselected one).
In Vegas or an NCAA office pool, he’s the guy who’s most likely to either win the most – or be least likely to have to share the winnings.
except there are no odds or prizes here? Unless I missed something.
Presumably the staff has internal bragging rights. If anything unpredictable happens in five of those divisions, everyone else’s ‘bracket’ falls apart and he’s the most likely to be left standing. And ‘anything can happen’ is why we don’t hand out trophies on Opening Day.
He probably needs two of those divisions to deliver the unexpected in order to get bragging rights at the end of the season. But the odds that all five favorites all win their division is – i think roughly – 18%. So he’s probably very safe betting on two or more to discombobulate.
I understand the logic, but getting one or two bold picks right don’t look impressive when all your picks are underdogs.
getting one or two bold picks right don’t look impressive when all your picks are underdogs.
It’s not like his picks are CIN, SDP, CHW, ATL, OAK. He picked 4 #2 seeds, and 2 #3 seeds. I can see many scenarios where those are the teams (and not the #1) that get the excessively positive results by beating up the obvious rebuilders in the league – and hold their own v the #1’s – and end up with the division title as a result.
I’m not sure I personally understand the logic. The point of the exercise was to predict the future, not to be a contrarian.
Which is why the Turner and Giancarlo MVP picks stick out to me. Like, is that REALLY what you think is going to happen? Or are you just trolling for reactions?
No offense to Giancarlo, but if you think he’s got an MVP in his near future, you haven’t been following his career.
The chance of all the division winners winning is 18% or whatever, but isn’t that still higher than the chance of picking a specific set of not highly ranked teams?
If I am remembering correctly the highest projected teams win the division more often than a specific second place (or 3rd place) projected team does.
The chance of all the division winners winning is 18% or whatever, but isn’t that still higher than the chance of picking a specific set of not highly ranked teams?
Yes. But that gets to his reasons from the other post. Making a non-fav pick in EVERY division shows that it can happen in ANY division – and gets discussed in comments. Everything is probabilistic not certain – including CHC and CLE. And he’s right – DFS/Vegas make a ton of money when people pay too much (or accept bad odds) for the ‘sure things’ and ‘certainties’.
Yeah, but there are NO ODDS in this situation. So why are you trying to rationalize what is clearly a less likely outcome pick. And I’m pretty sure that most people who read this site are aware that projections do not = sure things. We don’t need some writer to go hipster in order to show us that.
If he wants to do that just to be different, that’s his prerogative. But I don’t get why you are trying to rationalize it as anything other than someone trying to be different.
So why are you trying to rationalize what is clearly a less likely outcome pick.
Because the question is not – who is the favorite to win each division? In that case there is prob one answer for each division and we should see the same answers 54 times.
If OTOH the question was – simulate the 2017 season using the playoff odds on FG and we’ll label your output as ‘prediction’ and call it ‘random number’; then we would see 54 predictions that would be quite different individually but overall would visually display the FG playoff odds and likely variety of outcomes for 2017.
The actual results look more like the first than the second. Why?
Because people used their own playoff odds instead of FG odds? Probably not.
Because assigning ‘name’ rather than ‘random number’ to a prediction makes people see the question differently – in group dynamics terms rather than mere randomness/probabilistic terms? Probably yes.
As an aside – the group dynamics effect on outcomes is why some statistical experiments are open, some blind, some double-blind. Because its always a very real effect.
jfree says: “Because the question is not – who is the favorite to win each division?”
However, the top of the article says “…it’s time to tell you what we actually think is going to happen this season.”
I read articles like this to see if the wisdom of the Fangraphs crowd agrees with the prediction models. I find that interesting and valuable. So I’m piqued if Brad actually believes his picks. But I’m frustrated and confused as to why they’re here if they don’t reflect the fundamental thesis “what we actually think is going to happen this season.”
Brad’s other article denigrates being “boringly correct” and seems to be a protest of sorts against consensus. That’s fine, and kind of interesting, but it casts serious doubt on whether he actually believes his picks, and on their value in the context of this report.
Fangraphs should have either clarified the intent of the survey or declined to publish a response that doesn’t reflect the intent of the survey. Or both. A site this good shouldn’t really have the problem of poorly surveying its own.
None the less, thanks very much to the other thoughtful and sincere contributors to this report.
‘Wisdom of the crowd’ can’t really apply. FG writers are experts not random people. And there is no correct answer (until October) and they all know that too. So until then the only discussion becomes explain yourself you outlier you. Regress to the mode before you embarrass yourself. As we see from the comments. The things that undermine wisdom of the crowd are more powerful.
A sortition experiment could kinda get there. Run 54 simulated outcomes. Assign them and have writers write a blurb as-if-this-was-the-2017-outcome. They will self-select some independent piece where they are adding info on what could actually happen. How that ultimately works out through next steps and gets presented idk. But the point of that is for the crowd to improve the existing forecast (eg FG odds) where there IS a current answer not to directly predict the outcome. And if the commentariat just wants outcome consensus – now – then there is no possible solution apart from pick the favorite.
I’m not sure why this is so objectionable to you. Seems like a win-win. He gets to brag about a couple things he predicted happened that no one else predicted at the end of the season. His colleagues get to bust his balls when the #3 he predicted to finish first actually bombs and finishes fifth. Meanwhile, we get predictions that are more reflective of likely outcomes in aggregate.
He’s certainly least likely to have to share winnings, since he has about 1 in 100,000 chance of winning.
Seriously though, in terms of strategy to win, there’s something to be said for picking a 40-60 or 30-70 dog because no one is picking them and you gain on the field if you’re right. But if you pick that way across the board, you give back any gains. Say he hits on 2 picks, he still winds up 2-4 while people taking the favorites go 4-2. He needs to HIT on 4 long shots to win. The strategy for bragging rights would be to take four favorites (including Cubs and Indians) and two outside picks.
Odds that BOTH CHC and CLE win – 74%. 53/54 are betting that.
Odds that all three of CHC, CLE, LAD win – 59% 49/54 are betting that.
Yeah oddswise he would have been better off making picks via random number generator (based on actual odds) than deliberate contrarianism – for at least those three divisions since he can’t make a ‘field’ choice. But hey – where’s the fun in that. Go big or go home.
As a Nats fan, I wasn’t surprised to see someone pick the Mets over the Nats. If everything breaks right for the Mets and the Nats stumble even a little bit, the Mets will pass them. But I was surprised that Brad Johnson picked the Nats to miss the playoffs, while the Phillies were his choice for the second NL WC.
And he doesn’t even have the Dodgers in the playoffs!
Brad Johnson just wants to see the world burn.
3 votes for the Rockies to win the west? When were these predictions made?
They must be counting on a catastrophic Earthquake in California
Those are extra hilarious in light of the Giants only getting 2
Voting was open from Monday-Thursday of this week. 🙂
Oh, so no unknown injury excuses.
Seriously. There was maybe a 5% shot for them to them to finish with a better record than the clearly superior Dodgers (and Giants) if everyone stayed healthy and they had a few breakouts. They would have been a pretty bad pick to win the West even if their starting 1B and likely #6 hitter Desmond hadn’t broken his hand, their starting LF and likely #7 Dahl hadn’t gotten a stress fracture in his rib, their #2 starting pitcher Bettis hadn’t redeveloped testicular cancer, and their starting C Murphy hadn’t broken his arm. That’s four significant injuries to four players who were expected to play major roles on the team. One of them is a potentially life-threatening disease. The other three are significant injuries that all required surgery and could linger and negatively affect hitting performance upon return. Predicting this team to finish 2017 with more wins than not only LA but also SF is just absurdly foolish.
If you’re voting for the Rockies to win over the Dodgers AND the Giants it’s because you want to get credit for picking a breakout, not because you want to be right. But since Sullivan has been driving the Rockies bandwagon so hard, I’m not even sure you’d get credit for that.
As a Mets fan I am happy that ~87% of staff picked the Nats to win the division. If the Mets are healthy and that is of course always a huge IF with them, I think they will win division. I’m just happy the season is starting as my Knicks and Jets provided 0 enjoyment this season.
It’s a little weird that the 2016 NY Cy Young winner (and now two-time Cy) didn’t get a single vote to repeat! Even as a Nats fan Kershaw is my pick but Scherzer has averaged 5.8 WAR the last *four* years, and is projected to basically do exactly that this year, second only to Kershaw and ahead of Syndergaard by a hair, and everyone else by a head.
Absolutely this!! I’m not saying he should beat out Kershaw as the favorite. But Cueto/Martinez/DeGrom got votes ahead of Scherzer? Crazy
I don’t think thinking that Cueto could win is crazy.
Predicting Martinez to win the Cy over Kershaw, Scherzer and Syndergaard is predicting some pretty major improvement from Carlos.
Swydan should’ve asked the people who picked Martinez to re-do their picks like he did with Toles. If you’re not taking the exercise at least a little seriously, just opt out.
I think that it would be really hard to make a case for anyone other than Kershaw if you are just trying to pick the most likely winner. So, those who didn’t want to pick Kershaw wanted to make an interesting pick. Scherzer is probably easily the second most likely winner, and for that reason he is not an interesting pick, while also not being the most likely pick.
Yes, I don’t understand either how Scherzer could be totally absent here. Picking deGrom over Scherzer when deGrom faces Nats (NL East favourites) and Scherzer faces Mets seems unusual.
Cameron picks NYY to finish ahead of Boston. That is quite bold.
Looking at the AL chart: “Wow, Brad Johnson really went out on a limb there. His picks seem wild.”
Scrolling down: “I wonder which of the 54 staffers picked my favorite team, the Phillies, to make the playoffs…”
Looking at the NL chart: “Oh. That makes sense.”
I’ll take the field in the AL and NL Central. Those look like the two where the social pressure of consensus diverges most from any actual stats-based probability of winning the division
Considering stat based prediction have them each winning by 10 games, I dont get what you are trying to get at?
the playoff odds page has the Indians with an 87% chance to win the division and the Cubs with an 85% chance. The implied odds for both on this prediction page are 53/54 – 98%. That’s a pretty big difference – and that difference is created by the social pressures of a human making a public choice not by stats.
That said – I didn’t actually look at all the different odds to see whether those were the two biggest divergences.
And looking at the individual results – it looks like only Brad Johnson differs on both (and most other division winners too). So a question for Brad – did you use a random number generator for predictions or just like underdogs and willing to defy consensus.
If you flipped a weighted coin that came up Heads 50.0001% of the time and tails 49.9999% of the time and asked me to predict the flip 1,000,000 times, I would pick heads every single time. These are even money bets so implied odds mean absolutely nothing.
Well this isn’t one weighted coin flipped a million times. It’s six (just talking division winners here) weighted coins flipped once (2017).
But why would you be more likely to diverge for one weighted flip than you are for any one on a million. This is somewhat nonsensical.
That’s a gross misinterpretation of “implied odds”. Picking a team to win simply says you think they’re most likely not that they’re 100% to win. You can’t say “80% Cubs, 10% Cardinals, 8% Pirates”, you have to pick ONE team.
Would you even wager even money that one of “not Cubs and Indians” wins a division, i.e, take the field? I think most of us would take the other side of that bet.
so if you were told that something had an 85% chance of happening, and you only had the information available that resulted in that 85% chance, you wouldn’t take that chance? I would almost 100% of the time take the option of what was most likely. If all 6 division favorites all had an equal 85% chance, it only makes sense for you to take the underdog in one single instance out of those 6 times, and even then you only have ~17% chance of getting that one underdog right. I would definitely want more information though before picking that one underdog.
None of the top 3 vote-getters from 2016 NL Cy Young voting were chosen by the staff this year. Interesting.
Not going to lie, I was fully expecting Dave to submit boring paint by numbers predictions but McCullers and Haniger are quite bold
Usign the above to make post-season odds and comparing to the post-season odds report, here are the ones with the biggest difference:
SEA 31% vs 52% [staff +21%]
NYY 16% vs 31% [+15%]
NYM 59% vs 74% [+15%]
BOS 80% vs 94% [+15%*]
…
TBR 24% vs 7% [-17%]
STL 46% vs 28% [-19%*]
LAA 33% vs 6% [-27%]
Anything in particular with these teams that has the staff reasonably far from the playoff odds report?
* yes, I know how to add and subtract… rounding 🙂
As I noted above, that’s apples to oranges.
As a an example, the Rays have a chance to make the playoffs if things go right. But it’s hard to argue they’re one of the 5 best teams in the AL. Or on the other side, we all recognize the Indians and Cubs aren’t locks, but it’s a bit disingenuous to pick the team that’s 10 games worse to win the division. People aren’t asked “what are the odds the Cubs win” they’re asked “who is most likely to win the NL Central”.
Where are the predictions of the Dark Overlord himself David Appleman?
Also, Carson needs to get Eric to explain his TB pick for AL East on FG Audio….because…huh.
About the only thing I can figure is that he’s betting on the dominoes falling all Tampa’s way. Yankees don’t preform. Red Sox rotation woes and injury question marks either continue or get worse. Orioles rotation implodes as usual and the offense and bullpen aren’t good enough to make them up this time. Blue Jays position players don’t rebound the way they’re projected to and their starting rotation actually follows their projections instead of beating them like usual. Some combination of the above.
Tampa’s not a bad team by any means (I’d even say they could seriously contend for the second WC slot), but division leading in the AL East would take some doing for their staff.
Potential breakout seasons from Archer and Souza, major league success from top prospects Adames, Snell, Honeywell and De Leon, solid comeback campaigns from Duffy, Boxberger, Rasmus, Cobb and Norris/Ramos, plus the solid, steady production of Longoria, Kiermaier, Miller, Colome and Odorizzi could add up a surprisingly great team. Tampa Bay has a lot of talent on their roster and I think they are the best team that is being pretty much universally written off as a non-contender in 2017.
Honeywell and De Leon could make a big difference, and they aren’t the only talent Tampa has in the queue (Franklin, Shultz, Adames, Ramos). My guess is he’s betting the Red Sox, Jays, Yanks, and O’s all have less depth and figure to get worse as attrition hits throughout the season, whereas Tampa figures to have a stronger roster in June than it does today. Also have possible dead-cat bounce from Dickerson. Potentially dominant OF defense w/ KK and Mallex. Got out of the Smyly situation just in time. Not hard to see Tampa surprising.
I don’t trust Boston’s pitching depth nor their rotation’s ability to stay healthy. Clubs, even playoff ones, typically go through 8-10 starters every year. For Boston that means handing starts over to some combination of Kyle Kendrick, Henry Owens, Brian Johnson and…? I’m not picking TB to win 92+ games or anything, just bubbling to the top of a division full of teams with serious holes.
re: Toles’ rookie eligibility, why do you go with BR’s opinion over that of MLB? If MLB says he’s a rookie, presumably the BBWAA will consider him one for awards voting. Does the BBWAA prefer BR’s ruling on these issues to those of MLB?
If I had access to a full MLB list, I would have used that, but I didn’t, so I went with B-Ref for consistency’s sake.
Honestly, the cubs are going to make that NL Cy Young chart look silly. Between Arrieta, Lester, and Hendricks atleast one of those guys is going to finish in at least the top 6 in cy young voting.
Let’s say Kershaw wins, and Arrieta, Lester, and Hendricks finish 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. How would that make this chart look silly?
It was pick the winner, not pick the top 6
I think Brad Johnson needs to write a column explaining his picks. Boy, certainly going against the grain consistently there.
(I did)
See y’all in October.
Since Brad didn’t provide a link:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/happy-baseball/
In it, he says “I’d rather be uniquely wrong than boringly correct.” And also picks Mike Trout for AL MVP. And while he snubs the Dodgers, Red Sox, Indians, Astros, Giants and Nationals, he sneaks the Cubs into the postseason.
So do with that as you will. I know what I’m doing with it.
Sounds like our current government: better to be uniquely (and loudly) wrong than boringly correct. Not sure it’s the best way to go about doing . . . well . . . anything.
Unless, of course, it’s a meaningless preseason prediction article for a baseball website.
My picks are:
Blue Jays, Astros, Indians, Mariners, Red Sox, Trout, Sale, Zimmer
Mets, Giants, Cubs, Dodgers, Nationals, Arenado, Syndergaard, Gsellman
Did voters put down Tampa Bay or LAA to win their divisions as a joke? These votes make zero sense.
EDIT: It appears Brad Johnson didn’t take his picks very seriously.
Josh Donaldson, wherefore art thou in MVP voting? Not a single vote for the guy? For shame.
When I clicked this headline I was desperately hoping it was a list of predictions about wacky behaviours we were going to see from the FG staff this year.
I am sorely disappointed…
But if we told you what our wacky behaviors would be, they wouldn’t seem as wacky to you! “Nobody panics when things go according to plan.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0AXgaFqEas
Don’t know who Chris Gigley is, but kudos for being the sole soul picking the Orioles in the AL East. Best record in the American League over the past five seasons, and 89 wins last year. Probably the best regular season manager in the game. (And let’s face it, John Farrell’s career regular season W-L record, relative to pre-season expectations, is one of the worst in baseball.)
Chris is a frequent author at The Hardball Times. http://www.hardballtimes.com/author/cgigley/
Thanks!
Pick who you actually think will win. I am not interested in you being unique, fangraphs writers, who I really enjoy reading the entirety of the year, I am interested in who you in your vast accumulated knowledge really and truly think will win. Get back in line oddballs who may think this is a tedious and repetitive task. Do it. Do it now! Get to the chopper!
Man this website’s notorious anti-Toles bias is disgraceful.
Not sure if serious?
not serious
but do you know what is serious
anti-Toles bias. Never ok. never.
Scott Spratt, I like you.
NYY, CLE, HOU, SEA, TOR
NYM, CHI, LA, WAS, STL
Rookie of the Year predictions are the only ones where I feel like scolding people, because here making the “safe” pick by the numbers doesn’t have the same chance of success. Swanson and Benintendi are obvious picks, but there’s a lot more competition than just them. Moncada and Judge might be awesome someday, probably not this year. Mancini might not even play.
I give credit for the people who decided Margot would be better than Swanson (I think so too). Love the Josh Bell pick for its gutsiness (Swydan! You the man!). What about Glasnow? He could be a monster, and that would be a fun pick.
In the AL, what about Franklin Barreto? He’s going to put on a show whenever he gets here, and it might be soon. Maybe Jose de Leon or Brent Honeywell, if we think either one is for real? If Tyler O’Neill starts hot, you think he could wind up in right for the Mariners and blast his way through to win? Derek Fisher in Houston? He’s only got to get through Nori Aoki.
Come on, let’s get creative and have some fun here.
Birchwood Brothers is a nom de plume, I assume? For whatever reason, I’ve been imagining two people collaborating….which makes me a literalist, I guess.
It is two people collaborating.
I was wondering what “schneide” meant so I looked it up and apparently it’s the German word for vagina. Which doesn’t make a lot of sense in context.
According to Wikipedia, it’s German for sharp edge.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Scheide
Do many baseball fans not know what “off the schneid” means? I always thought it was one of the more common figures of speech.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=off%20the%20schneid
This thread about vaginas was… unexpected.
Almost as unexpected as Brad Johnson’s picks.
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I disagree completely!
I believe that the dust-up/confusion over Toles’ rookie eligiblity being in question for 2017 was over the “days on active roster” in a previous season-clause, specifically days on the active roster between the start of the season and August 31 and not counting days in September after rosters expand.
From what I can tell, he only spent either 37 or 38 days(depending on whether or not one counts the day of being optioned/sent back down) on the Dodgers’ 25-man roster in 2016. Either way, both are under the 45-day limit and he would maintain rookie eligibility for 2017 under that clause. 🙂
Get Toles into your week 1 lineups! Padres shit show then on to Colorado!
Picking Trea Turner for MVP is a cry for help.
Not a single MVP vote for Donaldson or Altuve? I mean, sure would have voted for Trout too but surprised to see both of these guys totally absent from the discussion.
Nowhere near enough love for Machado!