FanGraphs After Dark Chat – 9/15/15

6:18
Paul Swydan: Hi everybody! Jeff and I will be here at 9 pm ET for all of your baseballing questions, including but not limited to just how much Jeff is panicking over the state of Johnny Cueto. See you soon!

9:01
Paul Swydan: OK, let’s do this.

9:01
Comment From Brad
Paul, as a red sox fan, do you have a twinge of disappointment that new Yankees stadium is so dull. It used to be sold out all the time and loud.

9:02
Jeff Zimmerman: and the Yankees were dominant with players every knew and loved.

9:02
Paul Swydan: Well, I take comfort in the fact that when things are really important, the Stadium will be filled. I expect a wild card game there to be absolutely awesome TV.

9:03
Paul Swydan: But yes, it’s a little sad that they can’t fill it up every night. To Jeff’s point, it’s been a little bit since they had that kind of team on the field.

9:03
Comment From anon
Keep 6 in H2h points: Betts, Sano, Cespedes, Springer, Peralta, Bogaerts, Correa, Wong, Gomez, Scherzer, Kluber. Hitting worth a lot more than pitching.

9:04
Paul Swydan: 1. Sano
2. Correa
3. Betts
4. Bogaerts
5. Springer
6. Cespedes/Gomez (lean Cespedes)

9:04
Jeff Zimmerman: Correa, Betts, Sano, Cespedes (I would look to sell high if possible), Scherzer and ???????. Springer

9:05
Paul Swydan: You have a lot of premium bats there.

9:05
Jeff Zimmerman: No on Bogaerts, the other would be 1-3 round talent.

9:05
Comment From Nick
I was looking at positional leaderboards today and noticed that it does not take into account only that players performance at that position. For example, addison russell has his entire season’s stats under the 2B leaderboard when he has played about 1/3 of his innings at SS. Is there an option to see the stats put up only at that position or is this not available? Thanks

9:06
Paul Swydan: Yeah, if you want a guy’s stats at just the position in question, you choose that position from the splits field.

9:06
Jeff Zimmerman: In the splits page right?

9:06
Comment From losing+my+roto
Have you gents started to formulate a list of targets for your leagues next season?

9:07
Paul Swydan: For next season? No, not yet.

9:07
Jeff Zimmerman: A little, in an insanely deep industry league, I am picking up possible setup men like Hoover to be a closer.

9:08
Comment From Yo Knows Best
Anthony Rendon seems to be finally knocking the rust off after a lost first half. Can he deliver top 5 2B value to end the year?

9:08
Jeff Zimmerman: In two weeks, hell anyone could be a top 5 player at a position.

9:09
Paul Swydan: Having said that, yes, he can.

9:09
Comment From Ryan
Chris Davis seems like one of the harder free agent contract to predict. His 2013 and 2015 have been good enough that he’ll be looking for a sizeable contract, but his 2014 was worrisome, and most of the big market teams are already set at first base. Where do you think he lands, and for how much?

9:10
Jeff Zimmerman: Seattle, they can never have too many 1B/DH types.

9:11
Jeff Zimmerman: I do think it will be an AL team, maybe Tampa will pony up.

9:11
Paul Swydan: I think definitely an AL team. I was just going to say Tampa.

9:11
Paul Swydan: Too slow.

9:11
Comment From Nolan
Brandon Phillips has been worth 2.3 WAR and has a modest 2-year 27 million dollar commitment left on his contract. Can the Reds trade him this off-season and install Suarez at second base? It would be nice to save the money on Phillips’ contract when the Reds aren’t competing, to say nothing of getting a potentially decent prospect back.

9:12
Paul Swydan: The problem with this line of thinking is that it is too logical. With Jocketty’s apparently safe, you can leave all that logical thinking at the door. The Reds are contenders, baby!

9:12
Jeff Zimmerman: Probably, I have done a deep look into FA needs and the supply of talent. I could see the Angels a possible fit.

9:13
Comment From Ryan
Which would be the best pitching matchups to watch in the wild card games? Tanaka-Hamels? Keuchel-Price? Arrieta-Liriano? Lester-Cole?

9:14
Paul Swydan: I like the lefty on lefty Keuchel-Price. Lester-Cole comes in a close second.

9:14
Jeff Zimmerman: The AL game IMO.

9:15
Comment From The+Dude
To quote Kent Brockman on Cueto, “Is it time for Royals fans to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?

9:15
Paul Swydan: That;s a quality Simpsons-related question right there. Bravo, The+Dude.

9:15
Paul Swydan: To answer your question, yes, yes I do.

9:16
Jeff Zimmerman: Most Royals fans think the Twins will over take them within the week

9:16
Paul Swydan: Yeah, but what do YOU think, Jeff???

9:17
Jeff Zimmerman: I like the 100% playoff odds that this cool website, Fangraphs.com, has for them.

9:17
Paul Swydan: Pfft, odds.

9:17
Comment From Ryan
What do the Rockies do with Reyes this off-season? It seems like playing in Colorado should have given him a chance to showcase any remaining offensive talent, but that obviously hasn’t happened, and I find it hard to imagine they could trade him for much.

9:19
Jeff Zimmerman: I thought they would move him immediately after the trade. I think they will take whatever they can get for him.

9:20
Paul Swydan: I think the Rockies are just going to hang on to him.

9:21
Comment From Alex
Opinion on the Braves rebuild?

9:23
Paul Swydan: I think that they’re unnecessarily tanking so that they can be good when they’re unneccessary new ballpark opens, so on the one hand, I don’t think much of it.

On the other hand, they seem to be going about it in the right way, so that’s good.

9:23
Jeff Zimmerman: Olivera needs to be a 4 Win player with what they gave up. Otherwise, it has been fine. Really tough to tell right now, but we will know in a couple of years.

9:24
Comment From Rick
Which playoff contender is in the worst shape for 2016?

9:24
Jeff Zimmerman: Yankees

9:25
Paul Swydan: If I’m allowed to count the Angels, I’ll say the Angels. If I can’t, then probably the Mets.

9:25
Jeff Zimmerman: Aging team with huge questions about the rotation. The Royals could be in rough shape also with Gordon leaving.

9:26
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Watching Canadians whip themselves into a frenzy over the Jays is a sight to behold. Bandwagons are underrated.

9:26
Paul Swydan: Easy now, Sgt.

9:27
Comment From Alex
Chris Davis a fit for the Braves?

9:27
Jeff Zimmerman: I agree with Sarge, the wagon is still going strong in the KC area

9:27
Jeff Zimmerman: No on Davis. Would he just be a PH?

9:28
Paul Swydan: I don’t think so, because they have Freeman.

9:28
Jeff Zimmerman: Anyone got a link to crazy foul ball by Blanco?

9:28
Comment From Guest
In your opinion, who’s a better player; A healthy, quick Mike Trout or a healthy, agile Tulo?

9:29
Paul Swydan: Uh, Trout. Tulo’s pretty good, but Trout may be one of the best five players of all-time.

9:29
Jeff Zimmerman: Trout

9:29
Comment From Sad+Reds+Fan
Is there any hope for Jay Bruce

9:30
Jeff Zimmerman: Maybe for a dead cat bounce. He just needs to stop the free fall

9:30
Paul Swydan: Yes, one of these years, he’ll have another season with a .320+ BABIP and look like a star again. He won’t be, but there’s still that hope.

9:30
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Damn it Paul if bandwagons raise my social status for a couple months what’s wrong with that? It’s all I have.

9:31
Paul Swydan: Oh, nothing. I think I maybe read your comment the wrong way initially.

9:31
Comment From Guest
Side question, does anyone here also play MLB The Show?

9:32
Paul Swydan: I haven’t played a baseball video game since MVP Baseball 04.

9:32
Paul Swydan: Damn, that was a long time ago. I played the hell out of that game though.

9:32
Paul Swydan: I still don’t even have a PS4. I’m so lame now.

9:33
Jeff Zimmerman: Nope, I happily waste a few months playing OOTP a few years back, but that was it.

9:33
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Yeah, I was saying I LIKE it. I love how the whole country is enamoured with the Jays. Except that the Donaldson shirseys are sold out. I don’t like that.

9:33
Paul Swydan: Yeah, I like it too. Also, I saw a girl at Fenway with a Donaldson shirsey on last week. She probably bought the last one. Sorry.

9:33
Comment From padresfan
do you think Matt Kemp and continue his good play long term?

9:34
Jeff Zimmerman: No, no I don’t for health reasons.

9:35
Paul Swydan: And also, he hasn’t been that good. His season line is 0.5 WAR and he is hitting only 10 percent better than league average. Have to think the Padres were hoping for way better than that.

9:35
Comment From Sad Reds Fan
Seeing Duvall hitting this wall so far, is the Leake deal gonna be worth it?

9:36
Jeff Zimmerman: I am not sure what the Reds really expected from Leake. I still think the trade was fair.

9:37
Paul Swydan: I mean…no, probably not. The Reds didn’t get a ton for him. Which makes sense, since he isn’t that good.

9:37
Comment From a
Paul, before the season I asked you about JA Happ and you gave a less-than-optimistic reply. Has your stance on Happ changed? The projection systems have him in the 3.6-3.7 ERA range now.

9:37
Paul Swydan: Let’s say he definitely has my attention now. Lefties always get more chances, and Happ is taking advantage this year. Good for him.

9:38
Jeff Zimmerman: He has improved, but he is still JA Happ

9:38
Comment From Dr. Hoist
Is joe kelly cuttable after tonight? Had some hopes he would produce in the playoffs for me.

9:38
Paul Swydan: Yeah you can cut him.

9:39
Jeff Zimmerman: Yes, BTW, I finally got around to creating projections for the next weeks pitchers. We will roll it out Friday or Sunday

9:39
Comment From Nolan
If you could be an MLB player but couldn’t be a star or even a regular starter, what would be your preferred role? Left-handed specialist? Backup catcher? Fourth outfielder? Long-reliever/spot starter?

9:40
Jeff Zimmerman: Pinch runner – that what speed do

9:41
Paul Swydan: Very cool Jeff!

As for Nolan’s question, I think fourth outfielder. I wouldn’t want to be a pitcher, ever. And if I’m a utility infielder, I have to talk to all the idiot baserunners, and pretend that I’m paying attention to the coaches. And the shifting, my god the shifting! I just want to stand in the outfield and chew a big wad of gum. Is that too much to ask?

9:41
Comment From The+Dude
Who’s the ace of Chicago? Sale or Arrieta?

9:41
Paul Swydan: With all due respect to Jake Arrieta, it’s Chris Sale.

9:42
Paul Swydan: Speaking of Chicago, super smart Joe Maddon let Lester lead off the inning, even though the Cubs could REALLY use an insurance run. Not smart IMO.

9:43
Jeff Zimmerman: Sale, no arguement

9:43
Paul Swydan: RE – Sale, check out who is #5 on this list:

http://www.fangraphs.com/le…

9:44
Paul Swydan: Pretty decent.

9:44
Comment From The+Dude
Will an Astros Rangers rivalry lead to civil war in Texas?

9:44
Paul Swydan: If Jade Helm couldn’t do it, probably nothing can, but here’s hoping!

9:46
Jeff Zimmerman: No, not at all

9:46
Comment From Dave
Never up late enough to read the after dark chat, just wunna say you guys are awsome! My Blue Jays are gunna hold on to the division lead right? Getting more the nervous the closer the finishing line approaches.

9:47
Paul Swydan: Thanks Dave! I think so. Toronto has played them well head-to-head, and that is the most important thing.

9:47
Jeff Zimmerman: Enjoy it

9:47
Comment From Rick
Who pitches in the KC rotation in the playoffs and in 2016?

9:47
Paul Swydan: One for Jeff.

9:49
Jeff Zimmerman: Cueto, Ventura, Voquez/Duffy/Medlen. It is going to ugly IMO especially with the bullpen not at 100%

9:49
Comment From Min
Do the Jays catch the Royals to take home field advantage throughout the playoffs? (keeping in mind they hold the tiebreaker)

9:50
Jeff Zimmerman: No

9:50
Paul Swydan: I’ll also say no. Though I did think about it for a minute.

9:51
Comment From Dr. Hoist
Playoffs start next week in my h2h league. If medlen starts this Sunday is he droppable in 10 tm dynasty if I need the streamer spot? He would be a $1 keeper for next year.

9:51
Paul Swydan: I def think Medlen is droppable in that scenario. Or most other scenarios. I wouldn’t worry about him being a $1 keeper, because he won’t go for more than $2-3 in your draft next year. You probably can get him back for the same $1.

9:52
Jeff Zimmerman: Drop him and try to win the championship. Worry about ’16 after the playoffs

9:52
Comment From Guest
Do you think that WPA/LI is a good stat for determining who the MVP should be?

9:53
Paul Swydan: I think in matters of WPA, I always listen to Studes (aka the guy who invented WPA). And he likes a different stat for MVP. In fact, he wrote about it today at The Hardball Times!

http://www.hardballtimes.co…

9:53
Jeff Zimmerman: Not really and I really just don’t care.

9:53
Paul Swydan: Jeff is so jovial, isn’t he?

9:54
Paul Swydan: Well, Lester finished his complete game, so I guess it worked out for Maddon. I still would have tried to get the insurance run.

9:54
Jeff Zimmerman: Why doesn’t someone just play Caroline so we can all sing along.

9:55
Paul Swydan: It’s SWEET Caroline, damnit!

9:55
Jeff Zimmerman: Whatever

9:55
Comment From The+Dude
https://www.youtube.com/wat…

9:56
Paul Swydan: I think The+Dude wins the chat tonight.

9:56
Comment From Blast Hardcheese
What would it take for Arrieta overcome the Greinke for CY hypetrain? Another no-hitter? A perfect game?

9:56
Jeff Zimmerman: Where is the drunk NYY version of the song

9:57
Paul Swydan: I think it would honestly just take a really bad finish from Greinke. I think Arrieta has done all he can do at this point.

9:57
Jeff Zimmerman: A Greinke implosion and Arrieta winning the division on the last day. But I think Kershaw is better than Arrieta at this point.

9:58
Paul Swydan: I mean, Arrieta has been reaching outtttttttttttttt, touching meeeeeeeeee, touching youuuuuuuuuuuuuu

9:58
Comment From The+Dude
I got you covered Jeff. https://www.youtube.com/wat…

9:58
Jeff Zimmerman: Thanks

9:59
Paul Swydan: End of the 3rd? Well, I guess you have to be sauced to watch the Dbacks, amirite?

9:59
Jeff Zimmerman: Royals win, Jays lose

9:59
Paul Swydan: Oh ya, I remember this. This was actually super nice of the Yankees.

10:00
Comment From The+Dude
The Dude Abides

10:00
Comment From Dave
Jays just lost to the godawful Braves, i sure hope TB doesnt use Boxberger tonight..

10:00
Comment From OutfieldFlyRule.com
The Braves just used a 30-year old Cuban rookie not named Olivera, a AAAA-level 5th outfielder PR, a 39-year old catcher with attitude issues, a 23-year failed phenom catcher as a PR, Cameron Maybin, in his first game back after scratching his cornea, and the best defensive SS on Earth to score a single run in the bottom of the ninth to beat Toronto.

10:00
Paul Swydan: That’s pretty bleak.

10:01
Comment From padresfan
for the Kemp question i meant specifically his second half production. wRC+ of 148 in the second half with 13 home runs and near 50 rbis

10:01
Paul Swydan: Right, but when doing projections for next season, we’re not going to look at just his second half, we’ll look at the whole season. Also, I don’t care how many RBI he has.

10:02
Jeff Zimmerman: I am Paul, RBI mean he is Clutch with a capital C

10:03
Comment From Brett Gardner
How do you think Gardner will age? he’s 32, has had 3+ WAR last three seasons, how long do you think he remains at this level?

10:04
Jeff Zimmerman: Not much longer, went from D speedster to a power hitter. The next ransformation is usually to the decline phase.

10:05
Paul Swydan: This is his fifth season of solid production, and we’d have six if he hadn’t been hurt in 2012. That’s a pretty great career. He’s going to top 25 WAR, which puts him in the top 20 in WAR among Yankees outfielders. That’s not bad:

http://www.fangraphs.com/le…

I think 1-2 more years as this version of Gardner. He is already trading steals for power, but he is probably close to his power ceiling. We’ll see how long it lasts. I’m a believer.

10:05
Paul Swydan: I’m also a believer in the fact that this chat will last no more time. Thanks as always for hanging out, and we’ll see you next week!

10:06
Jeff Zimmerman: See you all later





Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.

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Bat
8 years ago

This was the question:

Which playoff contender is in the worst shape for 2016?

Paul responded by saying:

If I’m allowed to count the Angels, I’ll say the Angels. If I can’t, then probably the Mets.

Why on earth would the Mets be in the worst shape next year when considering playoff contenders?

The only impact player on their team who is a free agent is Cespedes. All of their pitchers are under team control for the next several years – Harvey is the first to be a free agent after the 2018 season – and they get Wheeler and Edgin back next year.

Sure, there will be injuries to other guys or setbacks to the guys coming back, but all contenders will have injuries so I think we’re assuming no injuries across the board with this question.

Theoretically at least, Wright will play the entire year, and they’ll have Conforto in the majors from the start of the year.

Murphy is leaving, but they likely have Flores or Herrera to chose from at 2B, and maybe Flores, Tejada, or Cecchini to chose from at SS.

I think even if they lose Cespedes they should have the money to get an impact bat if they don’t want Granderson in RF, Lagares in CF, and Conforto in LF. The reason I say that even knowing the Wilpons frugality is because attendance is up and they’ll have playoff revenue and I do think part of that additional revenue will get re-invested in payroll.

I don’t know why anyone would say the Mets are in the worst shape next year of playoff contenders (after the Angels). What about the Yankees? The Blue Jays without Price? The Cardinals?

The Mets seem to be a team on the rise.

The Great Hambino
8 years ago
Reply to  Bat

So were the 2013 Washington Nationals.

Moonshadow
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

As a Mets fan I largely agree with this. Lots of things came together for the Mets to run away with this division in the 2nd half – most of it had to do with them playing in a division with 3 of the 6 worst teams in baseball and a Nats team that had a nightmarish season.

The Mets could be very good next season but if the FO does their usual sit back and let the division come to them routine until late July, I don’t think their going to run away with the division. If the FO does address things like the pen, SS, and the bench during the winter and they put out a complete roster from April, then they may put things away early.

You could go around the roster and take a best case scenario approach, but there’s really no telling what they’re going to get from Wright, Grandy, & Lagares plus a MI still to be determined (Murphy is a FA) and D’Arnaud is still very injury prone. So there’s good reasons to be optimistic but there’s work to do. On the bright side, I’d say there’s a high floor there for next year.

The Dodgers could be a team in transition. Royals and Yanks too, as mentioned…

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8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

When you answered off the cuff, I found the answer strange but acceptable. But now with time to reflect you chose to stick to your guns and double down… I’m sorry even if you don’t think they are on the rise, that answer is crazy.

The Yankees were carried this year by several older guys like A-Rod, McCann, Tex and Beltran (after a rough start). Mets pitchers might get hurt but Pineda is always hurt, Tanaka’s elbow is an ongoing concern and Sabathia sucks.

The Royal are going to lose Cueto and their pitching is thin as it is. They’ll probably lose Gordon and are going to have to break up their bullpen with Davis due $8M and Holland due for a raise after making $8.25M in his final arbitration year.

Texas is an overachiever according to Base Runs and have a ton of money tied up into declining assets – Beltre, Choo, Prince, Andrus.

Again, the Mets may not be a team on the rise but worst shape for 2016? Seems really farfetched.

Angela Merkel's boner
8 years ago
Reply to  Bat

Agreed about the Mets. Collins may be a mediocre manager (actually, he absolutely positively is a mediocre manager) but there’s too much good youth there to expect any sort of collapse, I’d say.

I’d be interested to know, Bat, why you’d mention the Cardinals as a candidate for dysfunction in 2016. They actually have the best young players in baseball according to this:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/the-young-and-the-restless/

and this:

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/9/1/9237583/cardinals-have-the-most-productive-young-players-in-mlb