Any offer for Upton less than five regulars and a dozen high-quality prospects is ridiculous. We’re talking about a guy who put up a .349 wOBA last season, here. From a corner outfield spot! Get serious, man. Try throwing in Youkilis, Pedroia, and Lester and it MIGHT be enough to get the Diamondbacks to consider coming to the table.
Which he did as a 22-year-old with all the tools to do a lot more.
Seth
15 years ago
Dave, I have a late question about a diamondback besides Upton. Do you think it would be smart for the Pirates to make a play at him. What do you think would be a fair offer? Could a deal around Paul Maholm work or is that another crap deal scenerio? I think people underestimate the value of a durable 200 innings pitcher who gets a good amount of ground balls. I think Reynolds at third and Alvarez at first would give the Pirates pretty formidable pop at the corners.
No way I’d trade a package of Jurrjens, Delgado, Prado, and Vizcaino for Upton. That honestly wouldn’t be enough? His contact rate hasn’t been a huge issue as he’s still getting on base an a good clip, but no way in hell is he worth all that, and I don’t even like Jurrjens.
I suppose you saw Cameron proclamation in yesterday’s thread that Hanson, Teheran, Freeman would be a good starting point for a Braves offer on Upton? Yeah.
Cameon’s a smart guy, but goddamn, when he takes an unreasonable position and people call him on it, he just digs in and digs in and digs in.
Jimmy the Greek
15 years ago
Cameron has FAR overstated Upton’s value, both in terms of what it actually is and what it’s perceived to be (i.e., what he’ll be traded for).
If Upton does get traded, it will be for far less than Dave Cameron is predicting.
Burt Lavallo, friend to all
15 years ago
yeah, i don’t get this at all. from the way cameron is writing about him, you’d think upton was the second coming of joe dimaggio or something. he’s a good player, he’s young, he’s affordable. a great defender. but he’s also a guy who has never once placed in the top ten in the national league in ANY major offensive category. (and by major, i’m talking about OBP, OPS, SLG, total bases, walks, batting average, etc). not one top ten showing in his entire career. and we’re supposed to believe an asking price for a guy like this would be hamels, brown, and a prospect? good lord. the phillies (i hope) would laugh an offer like that out the door.
Those are his salaries. In a disappointing year, he was worth 3.1WAR at a cost of 500k. That isn’t a steal? He is <10M for the next 3 years. At 23, there is a chance he could even improve. I think a lot of his value is dependent on him improving and his low cost and age.
Why couldn’t the sox get Beltre and Adrian?
Sign Beltre. Next year Ortiz and Drew will be off the books, and you could sign AGon who will be a free agent.
Then just have a rotating door DH with Youk, Beltre, Adrian?
Adrian Gonzalez. Took me a while to get that…
Why couldn’t the Angels get Crawford and Carl?
Is Buchholz, Ellsbury, Casey Kelly, and Anthony Rizzo for Upton ridiculous?
Any offer for Upton less than five regulars and a dozen high-quality prospects is ridiculous. We’re talking about a guy who put up a .349 wOBA last season, here. From a corner outfield spot! Get serious, man. Try throwing in Youkilis, Pedroia, and Lester and it MIGHT be enough to get the Diamondbacks to consider coming to the table.
Hah.
Don’t forget his awesome career road wOBA of .326 – those players just don’t grow on tree you know.
Which he did as a 22-year-old with all the tools to do a lot more.
Dave, I have a late question about a diamondback besides Upton. Do you think it would be smart for the Pirates to make a play at him. What do you think would be a fair offer? Could a deal around Paul Maholm work or is that another crap deal scenerio? I think people underestimate the value of a durable 200 innings pitcher who gets a good amount of ground balls. I think Reynolds at third and Alvarez at first would give the Pirates pretty formidable pop at the corners.
I’m not Dave, but I can’t see anyway that Maholm is the centerpiece to an Upton deal. If he is, Towers should be shot.
I think he means Reynolds, not Upton.
good point
Upton = Dan Haren Redux.
No way I’d trade a package of Jurrjens, Delgado, Prado, and Vizcaino for Upton. That honestly wouldn’t be enough? His contact rate hasn’t been a huge issue as he’s still getting on base an a good clip, but no way in hell is he worth all that, and I don’t even like Jurrjens.
I suppose you saw Cameron proclamation in yesterday’s thread that Hanson, Teheran, Freeman would be a good starting point for a Braves offer on Upton? Yeah.
Cameon’s a smart guy, but goddamn, when he takes an unreasonable position and people call him on it, he just digs in and digs in and digs in.
Cameron has FAR overstated Upton’s value, both in terms of what it actually is and what it’s perceived to be (i.e., what he’ll be traded for).
If Upton does get traded, it will be for far less than Dave Cameron is predicting.
yeah, i don’t get this at all. from the way cameron is writing about him, you’d think upton was the second coming of joe dimaggio or something. he’s a good player, he’s young, he’s affordable. a great defender. but he’s also a guy who has never once placed in the top ten in the national league in ANY major offensive category. (and by major, i’m talking about OBP, OPS, SLG, total bases, walks, batting average, etc). not one top ten showing in his entire career. and we’re supposed to believe an asking price for a guy like this would be hamels, brown, and a prospect? good lord. the phillies (i hope) would laugh an offer like that out the door.
10:$0.5M, 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M
Those are his salaries. In a disappointing year, he was worth 3.1WAR at a cost of 500k. That isn’t a steal? He is <10M for the next 3 years. At 23, there is a chance he could even improve. I think a lot of his value is dependent on him improving and his low cost and age.