Lofton is ahead in fWAR by 2+ wins and in bWAR by 10+ wins. Yes, Sosa had the awesome peak in HR, but his career as a whole really isn’t THAT impressive. Not to mention Lofton walked away while he was still an above average player, so he could have ended up even further ahead of Sosa if he had wanted to.
paul meiro
14 years ago
You’d vote in PED guys but you would use it as an excuse to keep them out if they are borderline hall of famers???
This is hands down the most ridiculous, un-objective piece of garbage stance i’ve heard in a long time…..you sound like most of the media with regards to the PED issue…just all nonsense and zero objectivity whatsoever.
Why? PED u is one of many factors that might color your view of a player’s career. Using it as a tie-breaker for marginal HOF cases isn’t what I’d do, but it’s rational and reasonable.
DrBGiantsfan
14 years ago
Making stadiums uniform dimensions would not solve the Park Factor problem as weather conditions play a huge role.
AT&T Park is a bandbox about 5-6 games per season. The rest of the time it’s a beast for HR hitters.
Sosa is the clearest case of a guy becoming great by pumping roids, whatever you want to make of that…
Barry Waves
14 years ago
“Players see a team trading them as a sign that they don’t really want them all that much.”
Dave Cameron is great.
Jim Ward
14 years ago
Sosa hit 609 home runs. He had a 7 year “peak”. What is Dave talking about him not being “special”?
I couldn’t care less about PEDs.
Chris
14 years ago
please help me understand WAR..This season Gregor Blanco and Miguel Cabrera have the same WAR number of 2.1..How is a guy who hits .250 and has 15 RBI..seen as equivelent to Miguel Cabrera, it’s laughable..as is, the idea that Brett Lawrie and Mike Moustakis are better 3B than Miguel Cabrera. Now, on other things WAR seems to tell a good picture, for example the best Relief pitcher according to WAR in the AL has been Benoit. I like how they value guys beyond the silly stat of saves, but, there seems to be an overvalue on defense, when it is hard to find middle of the order guys, who can play an adequate 3B and Miggy would not be near as bad at 3B, if he had a decent SS to help out his lack of range..He has a cannon for an arm and decent hands. In any event, if someone could help me out with WAR, it would be much appreciated.
WAR is based on the assumption that adding or subtracting runs will result in a difference in the win total for a team. WAR compares a player’s performance to the replacement level performance. WAR combines many factors which affect run production, including defense and base running. Miguel Cabrera has negative scores for both defense and baserunning this season, in fact he’s in the bottom 25 for defense and bottom 5 for baserunning across all players. That means that despite his production with the bat, he’s costing his teams runs that a replacement level player would have scored with better baserunning. And he’s allowing the opposing team to score runs that a replacement level player would not have with his poor defense.
Those factors combine with his great offensive stats to limit his WAR. It’s really a testament to how great of a hitter he is that he is able to have such a high WAR despite how awful of a fielder and baserunner he is.
Last chance to buy low on Crisp and his low BABIP?
Did Dave Cameron just say he would vote for Lofton but not Sosa for the Hall of Fame?
That seems beyond ridiculous to me.
Lofton is ahead in fWAR by 2+ wins and in bWAR by 10+ wins. Yes, Sosa had the awesome peak in HR, but his career as a whole really isn’t THAT impressive. Not to mention Lofton walked away while he was still an above average player, so he could have ended up even further ahead of Sosa if he had wanted to.
You’d vote in PED guys but you would use it as an excuse to keep them out if they are borderline hall of famers???
This is hands down the most ridiculous, un-objective piece of garbage stance i’ve heard in a long time…..you sound like most of the media with regards to the PED issue…just all nonsense and zero objectivity whatsoever.
What a joke.
Why? PED u is one of many factors that might color your view of a player’s career. Using it as a tie-breaker for marginal HOF cases isn’t what I’d do, but it’s rational and reasonable.
Making stadiums uniform dimensions would not solve the Park Factor problem as weather conditions play a huge role.
AT&T Park is a bandbox about 5-6 games per season. The rest of the time it’s a beast for HR hitters.
I averaged 5.7 WAR per year for 10 years.
Sosa is the clearest case of a guy becoming great by pumping roids, whatever you want to make of that…
“Players see a team trading them as a sign that they don’t really want them all that much.”
Dave Cameron is great.
Sosa hit 609 home runs. He had a 7 year “peak”. What is Dave talking about him not being “special”?
I couldn’t care less about PEDs.
please help me understand WAR..This season Gregor Blanco and Miguel Cabrera have the same WAR number of 2.1..How is a guy who hits .250 and has 15 RBI..seen as equivelent to Miguel Cabrera, it’s laughable..as is, the idea that Brett Lawrie and Mike Moustakis are better 3B than Miguel Cabrera. Now, on other things WAR seems to tell a good picture, for example the best Relief pitcher according to WAR in the AL has been Benoit. I like how they value guys beyond the silly stat of saves, but, there seems to be an overvalue on defense, when it is hard to find middle of the order guys, who can play an adequate 3B and Miggy would not be near as bad at 3B, if he had a decent SS to help out his lack of range..He has a cannon for an arm and decent hands. In any event, if someone could help me out with WAR, it would be much appreciated.
WAR is based on the assumption that adding or subtracting runs will result in a difference in the win total for a team. WAR compares a player’s performance to the replacement level performance. WAR combines many factors which affect run production, including defense and base running. Miguel Cabrera has negative scores for both defense and baserunning this season, in fact he’s in the bottom 25 for defense and bottom 5 for baserunning across all players. That means that despite his production with the bat, he’s costing his teams runs that a replacement level player would have scored with better baserunning. And he’s allowing the opposing team to score runs that a replacement level player would not have with his poor defense.
Those factors combine with his great offensive stats to limit his WAR. It’s really a testament to how great of a hitter he is that he is able to have such a high WAR despite how awful of a fielder and baserunner he is.