FanGraphs Power Rankings: July 1–7

These next few weeks should go a long way towards separating the wheat from the chaff in the postseason race. For the teams on the fringe of the playoff picture, a timely hot streak could convince them to upgrade at the trade deadline, while a cold snap could push them into seller mode. With the All-Star break looming, it’s time for some serious introspection as teams gear up for the stretch run.

This season, we’ve revamped our power rankings. The old model wasn’t very reactive to the ups and downs of any given team’s performance throughout the season, and by September, it was giving far too much weight to a team’s full body of work without taking into account how the club had changed, improved, or declined since March. That’s why we’ve decided to build our power rankings model using a modified Elo rating system. If you’re familiar with chess rankings or FiveThirtyEight’s defunct sports section, you’ll know that Elo is an elegant solution that measures teams’ relative strength and is very reactive to recent performance.

To avoid overweighting recent results during the season, we weigh each team’s raw Elo rank using our coinflip playoff odds (specifically, we regress the playoff odds by 50% and weigh those against the raw Elo ranking, increasing in weight as the season progresses to a maximum of 25%). As the best and worst teams sort themselves out throughout the season, they’ll filter to the top and bottom of the rankings, while the exercise will remain reactive to hot streaks or cold snaps.

First up are the full rankings, presented in a sortable table. Below that, I’ve grouped the teams into tiers with comments on a handful of clubs. You’ll notice that the official ordinal rankings don’t always match the tiers — I’ve taken some editorial liberties when grouping teams together — but generally, the ordering is consistent. One thing to note: The playoff odds listed in the tables below are our standard Depth Charts odds, not the coin flip odds that are used in the ranking formula.

Complete Power Rankings
Rank Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score Δ
1 Orioles 57-33 1577 1499 98.8% 1599 0
2 Phillies 58-32 1559 1479 99.9% 1585 0
3 Guardians 56-32 1560 1484 93.1% 1584 1
4 Dodgers 55-36 1550 1484 99.4% 1575 1
5 Yankees 55-37 1535 1513 98.0% 1559 -2
6 Twins 51-39 1549 1489 85.1% 1558 2
7 Brewers 53-38 1529 1490 87.6% 1553 -1
8 Braves 49-39 1538 1500 92.3% 1550 -1
9 Red Sox 49-40 1550 1508 48.7% 1549 4
10 Astros 46-44 1550 1501 56.4% 1535 0
11 Cardinals 47-42 1533 1490 49.9% 1532 1
12 Padres 49-45 1529 1507 56.6% 1525 -1
13 Mariners 49-43 1508 1498 61.5% 1517 -4
14 Mets 44-44 1526 1514 36.1% 1511 1
15 Diamondbacks 45-45 1514 1494 35.7% 1500 2
16 Royals 49-43 1493 1500 27.6% 1489 -2
17 Giants 44-47 1498 1500 22.5% 1478 1
18 Rays 44-46 1497 1496 13.5% 1472 -2
19 Rangers 42-48 1488 1509 10.2% 1463 5
20 Reds 42-48 1481 1501 6.3% 1458 1
21 Pirates 42-47 1477 1498 6.1% 1456 -2
22 Blue Jays 41-49 1480 1514 2.6% 1450 0
23 Nationals 42-48 1466 1505 1.0% 1445 0
24 Tigers 42-48 1467 1494 4.2% 1441 3
25 Cubs 42-49 1457 1500 6.6% 1434 0
26 Angels 37-52 1451 1503 0.2% 1425 -6
27 Marlins 32-58 1436 1511 0.0% 1410 -1
28 Rockies 32-58 1410 1504 0.0% 1388 0
29 Athletics 34-58 1410 1506 0.0% 1387 0
30 White Sox 26-66 1365 1507 0.0% 1349 0

You Aren't a FanGraphs Member
It looks like you aren't yet a FanGraphs Member (or aren't logged in). We aren't mad, just disappointed.
We get it. You want to read this article. But before we let you get back to it, we'd like to point out a few of the good reasons why you should become a Member.
1. Ad Free viewing! We won't bug you with this ad, or any other.
2. Unlimited articles! Non-Members only get to read 10 free articles a month. Members never get cut off.
3. Dark mode and Classic mode!
4. Custom player page dashboards! Choose the player cards you want, in the order you want them.
5. One-click data exports! Export our projections and leaderboards for your personal projects.
6. Remove the photos on the home page! (Honestly, this doesn't sound so great to us, but some people wanted it, and we like to give our Members what they want.)
7. Even more Steamer projections! We have handedness, percentile, and context neutral projections available for Members only.
8. Get FanGraphs Walk-Off, a customized year end review! Find out exactly how you used FanGraphs this year, and how that compares to other Members. Don't be a victim of FOMO.
9. A weekly mailbag column, exclusively for Members.
10. Help support FanGraphs and our entire staff! Our Members provide us with critical resources to improve the site and deliver new features!
We hope you'll consider a Membership today, for yourself or as a gift! And we realize this has been an awfully long sales pitch, so we've also removed all the other ads in this article. We didn't want to overdo it.
Tier 1 – The Best of the Best
Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score
Orioles 57-33 1577 1499 98.8% 1599
Phillies 58-32 1559 1479 99.9% 1585
Guardians 56-32 1560 1484 93.1% 1584

The Orioles solidified their grip on the AL East lead by winning series against the Mariners and A’s last week. And while a 19-8 loss on Saturday won’t do their actual run differential any favors, their BaseRuns run differential is the best in the American League by a pretty wide margin. They’ll have an opportunity to put some serious distance between themselves and the Yankees in a huge three-game series this weekend.

The Guardians bounced back after their series loss to the Royals a couple of weekends ago with a pair of series wins against the White Sox and Giants last week. They’re outperforming their BaseRuns record by the widest margin in baseball — a whopping nine wins — and their absolutely elite bullpen and fantastic clutch hitting are the big reasons why. One of those things seems more sustainable than the other, and both the Twins and Royals have done well to mostly keep pace in the AL Central. It’ll be interesting to see what kinds of upgrades Cleveland pursues at the trade deadline to help ward off those two challengers.

The Phillies have gone a respectable 5-4 since putting both Bryce Harper and Kyle Schwarber on the IL a week and a half ago, though they did lose their series against the Braves over the weekend. Much of that success is thanks to the other star in Philadelphia’s lineup, Trea Turner; he collected nine hits and four home runs last week. Thankfully, Schwarber should be coming off the IL this week, with Harper likely be right behind him.

Tier 2 – On the Cusp of Greatness
Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score
Dodgers 55-36 1550 1484 99.4% 1575
Yankees 55-37 1535 1513 98.0% 1559
Twins 51-39 1549 1489 85.1% 1558
Brewers 53-38 1529 1490 87.6% 1553
Braves 49-39 1538 1500 92.3% 1550
Red Sox 49-40 1550 1508 48.7% 1549

After a brief hiccup against the Giants and Diamondbacks, the Dodgers got back to winning this past weekend, taking two of three from the Brewers at home. They’ll face a tough challenge with a three-game set in Philadelphia this week.

The red-hot Astros ran into the almost equally hot Twins this past weekend and their three-game set was filled with drama. Seven batters were hit by pitches in the series, forcing Jose Altuve, Yordan Alvarez, and Carlos Correa to miss at least a game. Though none of the injuries seemed serious, there was certainly no love lost between these two teams. As for the games themselves, there was the slugfest on Friday in which Minnesota scored seven times in the ninth inning only to fall one run short of completing a comeback. And while Saturday’s game was pretty run-of-the-mill, the Twins completed the series victory with a walk-off win on Sunday in which Christian Vázquez knocked in all three runs, including the game-winning home run.

Facing a challenge from the Cardinals in their division, the Brewers didn’t wait around to make an upgrade to their patchwork rotation, trading for Aaron Civale last week. He should provide some league-average innings for Milwaukee. The Brewers could still use another starter or two to feel really good about their chances of hanging on to the division lead — Dallas Keuchel just isn’t the solution for a playoff-bound team — but it’s unclear how much more prospect capital they’re willing to part with.

The Red Sox continued their ascent up the standings with five wins last week, including two in New York in a huge series win over the struggling Yankees. As you’d expect, Rafael Devers has been the centerpiece of their surge, blasting seven home runs over the last two weeks, including two on Sunday night. He can’t do it all, though, and Boston again finds itself in position to be aggressive at the trade deadline to acquire some offensive help.

Meanwhile, things have gotten pretty dire in the Bronx. The Yankees were swept by the Reds before falling to the Red Sox, and they couldn’t score more than four runs in any of their five losses last week. They did score 14 in their lone victory, led by a trio of home runs from Ben Rice, but this is a ballclub that’s sorely in need of some sort of spark. They’ve got a pretty big road trip this week to finish off the first half the season, with three against Tampa Bay followed by three in Baltimore.

Tier 3 – Solid Contenders
Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score
Astros 46-44 1550 1501 56.4% 1535
Cardinals 47-42 1533 1490 49.9% 1532
Padres 49-45 1529 1507 56.6% 1525
Mariners 49-43 1508 1498 61.5% 1517
Mets 44-44 1526 1514 36.1% 1511

The three National League teams in this tier are fighting over the last two Wild Card spots — though the Cardinals have a shot at the NL Central division lead, too — and right now the Mets are on the outside looking in. They won four games last week, keeping pace with the rest of the field. More importantly, they welcomed Edwin Díaz back from his sticky stuff suspension on Saturday and he promptly secured a save in a 5-2 victory. His return was particularly important because the bullpen had allowed a whopping 35 runs while he was away.

The Padres lost their first series in two and a half weeks last weekend, dropping two of three to the Diamondbacks. The Friars have greatly benefitted from Jackson Merrill’s midseason breakout — he was one of four rookies selected to the All-Star game this year — and he’s been a big reason why San Diego has been able to weather the loss of Fernando Tatis Jr. for the last few weeks.

The Mariners’ loss on Sunday was a microcosm of their now three-week slide: George Kirby fired six solid innings of one-run ball, the bullpen blew a three-run lead in the seventh, and the offense left the bases loaded in the eighth, ninth, and 10th innings in a 5-4 loss. Earlier in the week, they held the high-powered Orioles offense to just nine runs in three games but walked away with just one win in the series. Things just aren’t going their way right now, and they’re really feeling the effects of their razor thin margins.

Tier 4 – The Fringe
Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score
Diamondbacks 45-45 1514 1494 35.7% 1500
Royals 49-43 1493 1500 27.6% 1489
Giants 44-47 1498 1500 22.5% 1478
Rays 44-46 1497 1496 13.5% 1472

Three straight series wins — two against division rivals — have the Diamondbacks suddenly back in the NL playoff picture. They made it back to .500 with their victory on Sunday, bringing them within two games of the last NL Wild Card spot, and have a pretty big four-game series against the Braves on the docket this week.

The reason the Rays had the luxury of trading Civale despite being on the fringe of the AL playoff picture is because Shane Baz has returned to the big league rotation after completing a long rehab process from Tommy John surgery. The team will also welcome Jeffrey Springs back soon, giving the pitching staff even more help for the stretch run. Of course, as soon as the Rays worked their way into the playoff picture, they were swept by the Rangers over the weekend, dropping them below .500 again.

The Royals lost both of their series last week and are now a game and a half back in the AL Wild Card race. They’ve got a huge series in Boston this weekend that could shape the course of the rest of their season. They’ve indicated they’re willing to buy at the deadline to help bolster their surprising run this year, but they’ve got plenty of players who would be enticing for other teams should they want to improve their long-term outlook. This final week before the All-Star break could push them one way or the other.

Tier 5 – No Man’s Land
Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score
Rangers 42-48 1488 1509 10.2% 1463
Reds 42-48 1481 1501 6.3% 1458
Pirates 42-47 1477 1498 6.1% 1456
Blue Jays 41-49 1480 1514 2.6% 1450
Nationals 42-48 1466 1505 1.0% 1445
Tigers 42-48 1467 1494 4.2% 1441
Cubs 42-49 1457 1500 6.6% 1434
Angels 37-52 1451 1503 0.2% 1425

This tier of middling squads has grown a lot bigger as the teams in the Wild Card races pull ahead of this group. It’s possible one or two of these clubs can play their way back into the playoff picture — the Rangers’ sweep of the Rays last weekend shows they still have a bit of juice left in them — but I’d expect most of them to slowly realize they should sell as the trade deadline approaches.

Texas has one big shot to get back into the playoff race over these next two weeks; the team will finish off the first half with a three-game series in Houston and then open up the second half with a series against the Orioles. If those games go well, the Rangers could be set up for a second half surge; if they don’t, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them sell at the deadline. The Blue Jays and Tigers are in essentially the same position as Texas, though their schedules aren’t as favorable to producing the big swings in the standings needed to get back into the race. All three of those teams have a bit of momentum after winning their weekend series last week.

After the high of sweeping the Yankees in New York, the Reds returned home and were promptly swept by the Tigers in three games. That dropped them to five games back in the Wild Card race, behind four other teams vying for that final playoff spot. The Pirates, Nationals, and Cubs didn’t do much better than Cincinnati last week, with the latter two winning three times while the former won just twice.

Tier 6 – Hope Deferred
Team Record Elo Opponent Elo Playoff Odds Power Score
Marlins 32-58 1436 1511 0.0% 1410
Rockies 32-58 1410 1504 0.0% 1388
Athletics 34-58 1410 1506 0.0% 1387
White Sox 26-66 1365 1507 0.0% 1349

The Rockies’ one saving grace during their extended run of ineptitude has been a pretty solid record at home. Maybe that’s part of why they’ve always enjoyed pretty good attendance numbers despite posting losing records in six straight seasons. For whatever reason, they’re just 20-27 at home this year, lightyears better than their record on the road, but still a disappointment compared to the success they’ve enjoyed in recent seasons. They just completed a seven-game home stand in which they scored 3.29 runs per game, were shutout once, and still managed to win four games. Maybe the Coors magic is still alive, even if it’s a little diminished.





Jake Mailhot is a contributor to FanGraphs. A long-suffering Mariners fan, he also writes about them for Lookout Landing. Follow him on BlueSky @jakemailhot.

75 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
wheelhouseMember since 2022
2 years ago

Does Brian Cashman stealth edit these rankings to keep the Yankees perpetually three tiers above where they should be?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

Does wheelhouse not know that this is based on a formula?

rickdugo3000
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The formulas dumb as hell then and clearly hasn’t watched the Red Sox embarrass the Yankees in two series in the last month. The Sox are CLEARLY the better team. Games are played on the field; not on a computer or a spreadsheet. If the formula knew the Yankees were managed by a buffoon and only have two good players, they would not be ranked this high. The Yankees have been the worst team in baseball for a month.

lacslyer
2 years ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

It’s almost like two series don’t mean as much to a formula as an entire half season or more! How ridiculous!

Anyone who thinks the Yankees don’t deserve to be in the top two tiers here after putting up one of the best records in baseball despite playing one of the hardest schedules is incapable of understanding how their bias is impacting their judgement.

rickdugo3000
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

Things change fast. They are not a good team anymore. 5-15 in their last 20. If the power rankings are a retrospective summary of the entire season (which would be weird when we have standings), then sure, they get credit for banking wins. If it’s supposed to be a useful reflection of the current state of MLB, the Yankees are wildly overrated.

lacslyer
2 years ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Now see, that’s a more viable argument than trying to call out 6 games of their first 90. But still, if there’s any consistency in baseball it’s that teams are inconsistent over 162 games. Discrediting them more for a 20 game stint compared to the previous 70 while they faced one of the toughest schedules in the league shows a lack of awareness that during the season one loss is not more important than any other loss, especially halfway through a season.

They have a 4.5 game lead in the WC standings despite going 5-15 their last 20 games. That’s not the worst team in baseball.

Last edited 2 years ago by lacslyer
rickdugo3000
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

This is where watching the games comes into play… no shit one loss in April is the same as one on July, but when the team that can’t stop losing in July has Oakland castoffs batting cleanup and gets booed in their own stadium maybe we should consider that the team is not the same.

PressXToJason
2 years ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

They aren’t the same! That’s why they are in tier 2 and not tier 1!

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  PressXToJason

stop feeding the TROLLS

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

The rational version of this argument is that this should be based much more on Elo and much less on the playoff percentage weights, which involves both past performance and a prediction of future performance. But then there would be other things that would make less sense, so it’s not like that’s even a guarantee that it would make the whole rankings more intuitive overall.

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

It’s called TROLLS.

Spahn_and_Sain
2 years ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Games aren’t played on a spreadsheet, but power rankings are!

wheelhouseMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I got a formula for you:
yankees = bad team

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

That’s not a formula!

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

For a TROLL it is.

bglick4
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

Talent = Money
Yankees=(Talent)( Money)
Yankees =Money^2
Money = root(evil)
Money^2 = evil
Yankees = evil

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  bglick4

I approve of this formula.

didaceMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

I find it amusing that I can’t tell if the posts complaining about where the Yankees and Red Sox are ranked come from New York fans or Boston fans.

MorlandMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  didace

I have plenty of New York friends. If the Yankees aren’t in first place and winning two thirds of their games, then as far they’re concerned they suck!

EstebanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Morland

I’m a Yankees fan from NY and that is sadly pretty representative of Yankees fans

WARonEverything
2 years ago

Are you including the Brewers and Braves in this comment: The five National League teams in this tier are fighting over four playoff spots — the three Wild Cards and the NL Central division lead — and right now the Mets are on the outside looking in.  because there are only 3 NL teams in this tier…

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago

Good point. The Braves aren’t really fighting for a wild card spot. They’re more than twice as likely to win the East than they are to miss the playoffs altogether, according to Fangraphs own projections.

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago

If the White Sox never employed pitchers named after me, they would be 24 – 46.

Soroka, Kopech, and Clevinger are a combined 2 – 20.

nelliseMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

And those 2 wins belong to Kopech during 10 inning games where he got one win pitching the 9th and the White Sox scored in the 10th after he was out of the game, and the other was a vulture win after he blew the save in the 9th and they scored in the 10th again.

Last edited 2 years ago by nellise
DoubleJ
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

You ain’t a role model.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

IMO there are really three top tiers.

First, there’s the Orioles and Phillies, who have to be considered World Series favorites right now.

Then there are the Guardians and Dodgers, flawed teams that keep on winning.

And then there are the Yankees, Twins, Braves and probably the Astros, teams that have played inconsistently throughout the year despite their talent (and because of that talent, the playoff odds remain high).

The only two that don’t quite fit narratively in that third group are the Brewers and Red Sox. The Brewers are are like the Dodgers and Guardians, a flawed team that keeps on winning but is just a touch behind both in the W-L department. The Red Sox are a bit like the Brewers but haven’t been quite as consistent, so they haven’t banked as many wins.

I’d also probably put the D-Backs and the Mets in the same tier. Not sure one which side, but they are very similar in terms of their situations right now.

rickdugo3000
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Red Sox are better than the Yankees

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Sure! Except for the minor facts that they have won fewer games, lost more, score fewer runs, allow more, have less RAR for offense and defense, have 4.3 less team fWAR, and have played a slightly easier schedule. But in every other way, they are better.

KervinMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

The Red Sox have had the better BaseRuns record for a while now. I don’t expect them to be the better team ROS, but I do think you could argue they’ve been the better team so far, they’ve just had much worse sequencing luck.

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

You can easily tell who the trolls are. They should simply be ignored.

hglmanMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

You failed to factor in that they are from Boston, really important that fact. /s

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Very hard to see why the tier line went between the Mets and Diamondbacks here. Two .500 teams that have both a wild-card shot and significant flaws.

david k
2 years ago

It’s just the formula, probably with some margin of error.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  david k

This is obviously not important but I think the tiers are human-generated.

david k
2 years ago

true, but look at the scores. There’s about a 7-8 point difference from each team to the next going down the list, then there’s an 11 pt gap between Mets and Dbacks. They have to draw the line somewhere, so that’s probably why they drew it there. If the Dbacks score was 3 or 4 points higher (probably within some margin of error), they probably would have been put in the same tier as the Mets. Hence my comment.

Spahn_and_Sain
2 years ago
Reply to  david k

“You’ll notice that the official ordinal rankings don’t always match the tiers — I’ve taken some editorial liberties when grouping teams together”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Is anyone surprised the the Rangers have stumbled so far when over half of their good pitchers were going to be out until midseason or later? And is Max Scherzer destined to be traded every deadline from now on?

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Not with the lack of bullpen depth behind the starters as well. Behind Robertson and Yates, the bullpen is Leclerc, and then it’s sad. You can manage a deflated rotation with an excellent bullpen. You can’t handle both being mid-to-bad with only bats.

carterMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I expect them to sell as well, they basically said that they will. But could you imagine if deGrom comes back and throws like he used to, Scherzer continues his up and down but still pretty damn good pitching of the last couple years, and Mahle due back next weekish. Could be a hilarious end to the season.

All of a sudden Langford is hitting like how people thought he would, Seager is healthy, and Lowe is hitting as well finally. Semien and Adolis haven’t been too great, but if they can get going? Then a healthy deGrom (lol) and Mahle back? I mean crazier things have happened.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  carter

They are only 5.5 games back from the division lead right now. I agree—this would not be super crazy in the big picture.

carterMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And while I wouldn’t fault them either way, it isn’t like Scherzer or deGrom are getting any younger. And to a lesser extent Semien, or Seager either

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago

I depserately want the Guardians to get at least one quality pitcher at the deadline. Carrasco has been… acceptable for the 5th spot, but Gavin Williams is still working back and Lively and Bibee can’t keep being borderline #1s forever. We need at least a quality #3 starter to stabilize the rotation for the playoffs. Anybody but DeLauter, Bo Naylor, and Manzardo should be available, among our prospects/young guys on rookie deals.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

They’re working at it.
They (finally) farmed out MacKenzie and Allen.
For now, they’re dumpster diving although their pickups show some upside.

They still need a true number one to go with Bibee and for Williams to be the number 2 Lively has been proving to be (for now).

Espn and others keep dreaming about Cleveland trading for OF but unless one falls into their laps for free, they’re most likely continue the mix-n-match auditions of the cast of thousands. Especialy Noel, who seems to have reduced his K’s in AAA.

Looking at the farm, the team’s proclivities, and ownership, their best trade chip looks to be Brito. Good prospect but limited to 2b and 3b, the two positions he is blocked at. And intriguing deal woukd be to see what *else* it might take to pry Gil from.the Yanks, who look in need of a good young 3b/2B ala LeMahieu. Not that he is a true number one just yet but he fits the mold of what Cleveland looks for. And pretty much all they can offer for what starting they can afford.

The might prefer Severino or Gausman but unless they find somebody interested in bulk I don’t see a match. Depth they can offer but high ceiling or MLB- ready? Nope. If they had them they’d be up.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Jonathan Rodriguez, Angel Martinez, Jose Tena, and Brito are all MLB-ready, but they’re blocked by Ramirez and Giminez (to a lesser extent). Of the four, I’d prefer to keep Martinez because he fits best into the team scheme, but all four are available immediately, imo.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Martinez looks ready. He maybe the final answer at SS. So he won’t be moved unless and until somebody else claims the position.

Rodriguez had a trial and looked unready.
Tena is likely to bring back about what Palacios did.
Neither is a headliner to build a trade around, much less a trade for a pitcher that might fake being a #1 for a few weeks.

Cleveland is not going to take on a big contract or move a high ceiling (of which they have few above High A). That limits their options greatly.

Worth remembering that they moved Quantril to free up $3m or so to pay Barlow. They won’t be shopping proven aces; at best retreads or wannabes.

Last edited 2 years ago by fjtorres
fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

If they had the stomach for it, the best pitcher Cleveland can afford is one Trevor Bauer. I doubt they would sign him but he definjtely outclasses anybody they can afford with their owner’s budgefary mandate.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

F*** that guy. He’d also probably demand a high dollar amount to come back anyway, it’s just his character.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Whatever.
Nobody wants to be the first team to admit SM is as real as drag queens so it is almost certain nobody will take him any price.

He can take a minimum deal or keep his tour of the international leagues.
Most likely the latter.

My point is he is the only true ace Cleveland can afford to get and they almost certainly won’t. Expectations must be tempered.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

As a member of the community Bauer purports to be a part of, the #1 rule of thumb is safe, sane, consensual. Bauer met, at most, one of those criteria. The medical details utterly preclude the first two. There’s a reason he settled the civil suit.

We don’t need a “true ace”, just stability. The Dolans will never shell out the prospects or money for a “true ace”, even if they had them. What they need to do is build up enough starting pitching to pull a 2015 Royals, which means a minimum of four stable, average or better pitchers.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Stability will get them to the playoffs.
But without Bieber they aren’t likely to go deep.

Who are they going to send out against Sherzer or DeGrom or their equivalent?
Do you expect Bibee or Williams to cram two years of development in two months? They have potential but they have a lot of maturing ahead before either can even aspire to the Ace rating.

(Where an Ace is a pitcher expected to give the team a chance against any top pitcher.)

The playoffs are enough of a crapshoot without success depending on the opposing pitcher having a bad day.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

The playoffs being a crapshoot is part of the reason not having a “true ace” doesn’t bother me. There’s plenty of value in being able to pencil in 7ip/1ER every fifth turn (fourth in the playoffs), but the playoffs don’t tend to care about how good a pitcher is. Look at Clayton Kershaw. Look at how badly Max Scherzer struggled for years with sh***y timing and bad luck. Neither the Rangers nor D-Backs last year had somebody you’d call a “true ace” available (Scherzer wasn’t that good last year and pitched through injury in the WS, and Gallen is a step below that ranking imo, not that it helped him). Five-and-dive is the way things tend to shake out for all but the most elite pitchers anymore, as far as the playoffs go.

The Guardians do not have the prospect capital for a player of that caliber *anyway*, so the point is entirely moot. Getting a solid enough, stable pitcher who can go 5-6 IP in the playoffs is the most realistic thing that could actually help them.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
david k
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I don’t see a universe where the Yankees trade Gil.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  david k

Probably not.
But they have holes and a self-imposed spending limit.

murraygd13Member since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

The Guardians still look like a .500 team to me going forward. Yes, that will still get them in the playoffs, and then it’s a crapshoot. Kwan, JRam and J Naylor are good. But the rest of the lineup is just guys. Bibee, Williams are good. Lively is going to regress, Carasco is just a guy. They have like 5 or 6 pitchers with over 75% LOB. Including Lively and his ridiculous 85% LOL. This team just isn’t very good.

Yes, their bullpen has been great. But we all know bullpen performance is volatile

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  murraygd13

Lively is still projected as an above-average pitcher even if every underlying metric went to exactly league-average expectations this whole year, but his pitches don’t play that way. The high fly-ball rate is by design.

David Fry and his 156 wRC+ and All-Star selection would like a word as far as hitters go, as well. Plus Schneeman. Will Brennan, Andres Giminez, and Tyler Freeman have all hit around average for their positions as well, which is valuable in terms of stability.

Reliever LoB% also tends to be far higher than that of starters. Cleveland’s bullpen doesn’t even have close to the top numbers in that regard. The Brewers are by far the leaders in that category. You want to talk bullpen overperformance, look there first. Dodgers aren’t far behind.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
MTFMember since 2020
2 years ago

watching the Phillies-Cleveland series heading into the break will be tremendous.

MTFMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

oops- meant to say “at the end of the month”.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Understood.
Should be more interesting if they’re done shopping by then.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

I’m not a Royals fan, but I kind of feel like I have to root for them to sneak into the last playoff spot and make an improbable World Series run so Will-Smith-the-pitcher can get a fourth straight ring.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

They already did that in 2014 (before becoming even better and winning it all the next year), just not with Will Smith. Give another team (other than the Diamondbacks who did it just last year) a chance to do it this year.

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

But that misses the entire point of his comment, that was all about Will Smith.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
2 years ago

While folks were fighting over the quality of NYY, (5th is reasonable, but they have had the worst last 30 days given how high there were at one point), what surprised me is how highly ranked CLE is using the FG formula. I wouldn’t rank CLE any higher than 8th behind BAL, LAD, ATL, PHI, MIL, NYY and HOU. Given their remaining schedule of only a few games left vs. CWS, for which they are 5-5, and no more LAA and OAK, I expect a noticeable drop in their winning percentage.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

Cleveland may be doing it with smoke and mirrors but the thing is, they’re doing it.
They’re the youngest team in MLB and younger than most AAA teams.

They lost their number 1 after 2 starts, #2 and #5 grooved their way back to the minors, #4:hit the IL in the spring and is only back now. And #3 started out erratic and has only recently shown consistency.
They lost two of their three high leverage relievers.
They wasted hundreds of PA on three hail mary OFs, now gone. Plus a rule 5 pick.
Kwan has upped his game to All Star level but missed a whole month.
Only Ramirez, Kwan, Gimenez, and the Naylors have fixed positions and they’ve at various times deployed 7 SS all over the place.

So yes, if you go by name and reputation and projections, Cleveland isn’t supposed to be any good.

But they’ve swept the twins twice, beat up on the second tier teams (except the chisox, oddly enough. They’re also weak in bullpen games.) and played the Yankees close at their best, beating them twice (IIRC). They took the O’s 2 out of three at Camden.

They’ve the best bullpen, solid defense all over (all those ss), top tier run differential, and above all, *wins in the bank*.

They’re a weird team that is still shaking out who plays where when but through all the turmoil, injuries, and roster moves somehow they keep winning.

There’s an old Billy Beane saying that in MLB the first two months are for finding out what you have on the field; the next two months are for fixing problems, and the last two months for making a run. Cleveland seems to have figured out some of their issues and have three weeks to solve the biggest. Whether they do or don’t is anybdy’s guess because this team just doesn’t play by projections or reputation.

They could collapse in July or August, or the young ones might finally figure out who they want to be. Unlike their elders, these kids still have upside. Dismiss them at your peril.

Whatever they may turn out to be, they’re not boring.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

IIRC Elo focuses on wins and losses and not run differential. It’s a blind spot.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

Milwaukee has overperformed way more than the Guardians have (their bullpen has been a study in “how often can you strand baserunners without everybody noticing”, and their offense was not supposed to be anywhere near as good as it has, much like the Guardians except the guy who was their best player hasn’t been this good since the Rocket Ball), Houston has been weirdly terrible in different spots, started off very slow, and have very minimal pitching outside of their top three, and Atlanta lost their best position player and pitcher for the rest of the year and their #2 starter to date will not be starting for much longer (Lopez will almost certainly end up in the ‘pen for the playoffs). Fifth, I’d give you. Even sixth, if the Twins are so dangerous or I’m underrating one of the above teams. But 8th is silly.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Per BaseRuns the Brewers should have two fewer wins, while the Guardians should have nine fewer wins. The whole power ranking thing is unimportant and the Guardians have a better run differential anyway so I don’t care one way or the other but the Guardians have been super lucky this year.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

BaseRuns doesn’t account for everything. I’m not going to pretend that the Guardians are some unbeatable super-team, but dropping them five spots based one one metric that doesn’t seem to know how to deal with multiple aspects of the game seems silly to me. BaseRuns is valuable, but like the Orioles last year, it doesn’t account for individual player improvement in the slightest, nor does it place enough weight on bullpen performance.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Lucky or clever.
The local media online has been making a big deal of their policy of using the full roster and emphasis on matchups against pitcher repertoire, not just handedness.
In years past they had the platoon advantage more often than any other team. They may be taking matchups to another level.
Or being ridiculously lucky.
Either works.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Barring further injuries (which applies to everybody) fifth looks like their floor and third their ceiling this second week of july.

Now to see how they play for the next couple of weeks while waiting for reinforcements. Which should be a matter of putting all their chips on one starter.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

The morning the article was posted, the WL pct of CLE was: .636. Fangraphs’s model predicts a final WL pct now of: .562. This means CLE is expected to win at a rate of .472 for the rest of the season. That is why I say CLE is overrated in this system.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

What does the fangraphs model know about Smith, Herrit, et al? About Martinez and Noel?
Sure, it knows a lot about Ramirez and Carrasco.
Gimenez and Kwan. (Did any model expect Kwan to develop 15-20HR power? Or Fry to be more than a lefty killer platoon utility?)

But raw rookies?
Extrapolating from minor league numbers is useful but it has limits.

Cleveland is no super team but neither are they a known quantity that can be reliably predicted. The same applies to the O’s, everybody expected their prospects to be good but *this* good, this fast?

Every year a team or three confounds the models in ways good and bad; this year Cleveland is one of them. Whatever the reason, it lies outside the borders mapped by the models.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

…basing it off a grand total of one metric that is about as opaque as cardboard and is based almost solely off preseason projections is exactly why I think your post is nonsense.

carterMember since 2020
2 years ago

Rockies enjoy good attendance at home because of summer weather, a drinking culture, and good beer. I make it a point to go there if I’m in Denver. Beautiful ballpark, and everyone seems to be in such a great mood when it’s warm. Elite ballpark experience.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  carter

Just curious: how’s transportation? Do most fans stay all 9 innings or leave after 7 like certain other fanbases?