Four Player Crushes of Mine

Over the weekend, I participated in a panel at the SABR Analytics Conference in Phoenix. It was a ton of fun, and I enjoyed getting a chance to nerd out about baseball with a bunch of like-minded people. The awards show wasn’t bad, either. I look forward to Michael Baumann and I making subtle references to it the rest of the year (or maybe just me; Baumann is less arrogant than I am).
The topic of my panel, where I was joined by Yahoo Sports’ Hannah Keyser and moderator Vince Gennaro, was players we love for the 2023 season. I love Shohei Ohtani and Mike Trout most for the 2023 season, but more specifically, it was about players we love who aren’t widely regarded as superstars. I came prepared; I picked two hitters and two pitchers who fit the bill.
A panel isn’t the same as a presentation, and our discussion ranged widely around these and other players (Hannah loves Wander Franco and Hunter Greene, Vince loves Dylan Cease), but I thought I’d lay out my research here as well. If you’re a frequent reader, you probably already know how much I like these guys, but it never hurts to reiterate a point.
Lars Nootbaar
File this one under the Jeff Sullivan school of selecting breakouts that have already happened. Nootbaar has already separated himself from the pack of Cardinals outfielders competing for a few crowded spots, but I’m not sure everyone has noticed just yet. Tyler O’Neill has two Gold Gloves and muscles that wouldn’t look out of place on a bodybuilder. Dylan Carlson has prospect pedigree. What does Nootbaar bring to the table? Merely the two most important skills in the game: finding good pitches to hit and making loud contact when you do swing.
It sounds so simple. Quite honestly, it is so simple. Hitting is a complex practice, and hitting coaches have no shortage of things to work on with their charges: timing cues, hand load, swing thoughts, stride length, and plenty else to boot. The point of all that complex maneuvering, though, is to swing at good pitches and then hit them hard. I wouldn’t claim to know how to coach hitting, but when it comes to looking at outputs, I feel pretty good about a low chase rate and high exit velocity numbers on balls that hitters get into.
Nootbaar has always been a keen student of the strike zone. The Cardinals drafted him as a low-power, high-OBP hitter out of USC, and he promptly backed those skills up in the professional ranks, posting delectable walk rates across four levels over the 2018 and ’19 seasons. He did so with no power to speak of, which is the reason he lasted until the eighth round in the first place. And when I say no power, I really mean it: over more than 500 plate appearances in those two years, he managed only nine homers, a shockingly light rate for a 6-foot-3 corner outfielder.
Then he got powerful. More specifically, he spent years working to increase his swing speed. He’d always looked the part of a power hitter; he simply made changes to make perception match reality. The raw numbers are compelling: 11 homers in 260 plate appearances in 2021, followed up with 18 in 424 PAs in ’22. This wasn’t a case of a ton of fly balls scraping over the wall, either; the raw exit velocity numbers backed up his improvement. He posted an 89th-percentile maximum exit velocity in 2022, in line with some fearsome power hitters.
Nootbaar also walked a phenomenal 14.7% of the time in the major leagues last year. He did so the way he always has: by forcing pitchers to throw him something in the strike zone. His 24.5% chase rate would have been a top-15 mark in baseball if he had enough PAs to qualify. As a result, most of his swings come at pitches he can drive. That results in some extra called strikes — he swings less often than average at in-zone pitches — but that’s a fine tradeoff, because pitchers aren’t exactly lining up to challenge him in the zone.
As an added benefit, when he does hit the ball, he’s both putting it in the air and pulling it. He pulled 38% of his air balls last year, above league average and in line with pull-power disciple Josh Donaldson. Elevating and celebrating hasn’t always been in his range, but now that it is, Nootbaar looks like a substantially better than average hitter for years to come. Oh yeah: he’s also playing center field for Japan in the WBC, so he’s got some defensive value too.
To be honest, I’m not sure Nootbaar still counts as under the radar. There’s a reason he’s frequently among the most searched players on FanGraphs and Baseball Savant. His pepper-grinding celebration has gone international. He’s laughing it up with Ohtani. He’s projected for the third-best batting line on the Cardinals this year. He might already be properly rated. But on the off chance you haven’t noticed, consider this fair warning: Nootbaar is for real, and he’s spectacular.
Riley Greene
Dan Szymborski is ahead of me on this one, but consider this seconding what he said. It’s downright weird to strike out as much as Greene did without some fatal flaw somewhere. He chased less than league average and made more contact than average and struck out nearly 29% of the time anyway. The list of players who batted 300 times last year, struck out more often than Greene, and ran (as he did) single-digit swinging-strike rates is zero players long.
That’s one reason to love Greene for this year: even if he doesn’t change anything he’s doing, he probably won’t keep striking out so much. He’ll probably miss more often — he did as he came up through the minors — but there’s plenty of room for Greene to miss the ball more often than he did in 2022 and yet strike out less.
When he does contact the ball, I’m also betting he’ll do better than he did last year. Greene showed premium power throughout the minors, and he hit the snot out of the ball even in the majors. Just one problem: he didn’t get much to show for it. I’m willing to bet that won’t continue forever, though, even playing in Comerica Park’s spacious confines.
If there’s one area for worry, it’s Greene’s newfound groundball tendency. He hit a ton of grounders in 2022, which had a lot to do with his poor power numbers. Pitchers didn’t particularly try to pitch him down; he saw a roughly average amount of sinkers and low fastballs overall. He was just on top too often. I’m counting on Greene to fix that with experience. If he does, he might be the anchor hitter Detroit has been searching for.
As a side note, this is another favorite category of mine: picking top prospects who didn’t excel in year one as breakout candidates. Nothing Greene did in 2022 changed the general trajectory of his career, and he was one of the best hitters in the minors a year ago. Picking him to be good is hardly going out on a limb, even if sentiment is down at the moment.
Tyler Anderson
Anderson had a career year in 2022, but I’m betting that he’ll be able to replicate a lot of his success 30 miles (and two hours in traffic) southeast of Dodger Stadium. He’s not the pitcher he was in Colorado anymore, and this isn’t simply a case of Dodgers magic; many of his changes predate his arrival in southern California.
Against righties, Anderson has always relied on an excellent changeup. He complements it with a cutter that plays well off of his fastball and uses those three pitches to keep them off balance. That changeup is shaped differently these days; over the years, he’s added horizontal break and killed vertical movement. That heightens the total drop he gets on the pitch, which has resulted in more grounders and whiffs.
In the past two years, Anderson has overhauled his repertoire against lefties by adding a sinker. It’s not just any sinker, either: he throws it from a sidearm slot, releasing the ball nearly a foot lower than the rest of his pitches. That release point trickery started in 2021, and he kept it up last year. He also added a new wrinkle: a cutter that he throws from the lower arm slot that initially mirrors his sinker but then cuts instead.
Anderson had long had a strange problem: he was a left-hander who didn’t have an obvious out pitch against lefties. His only breaking pitch is a cutter, so he can’t dial up a sweeping slider or huge curveball or anything of that nature. Mixing in a sinker gave him far more variety against lefties, and also gave him a way to get grounders when the situation called for it.
That’s the detailed version of why I like Anderson. The high-level view is simply this: he was good last year in a way that doesn’t look particularly unsustainable to me. I don’t think he has another 4-WAR season in him, but I’m also higher than our projection systems. I think he’s a perfectly acceptable choice to follow Ohtani in the Angels’ rotation, and if they make a playoff push, I expect Anderson to be right in the middle of it.
Taylor Rogers
Again with the lefty pitchers. This one is more of a speculative addition based on something I’ve wanted Rogers to do for a long time. He’s built a career out of making opposing lefties look silly; his sinker/slider pitch mix is a nightmare to face from the left side of the plate. In his career, Rogers has been one of the best pitchers in the game against lefties, and roughly average against righties.
That works just fine for a reliever, particularly if you’re a team that focuses on finding the right spots to use your guys. The Giants will do just that, and I think that Rogers has a high floor for that reason. It’s easy to imagine him cutting down the toughest lefties and high-ball hitters the other team has to offer whenever the opportunity presents itself.
If that were my only reason to like Rogers, I wouldn’t have put him in my list. “Solid reliever who had a nightmarish season of run prevention turns it around” is a tale as old as time. I’m putting Rogers here because I’m hoping, perhaps without reason, that he’ll add a cutter and turn from a very good reliever into an elite one.
See, Rogers is only average against righties because his two pitches are tailored to beat lefties. Sweeping sliders have big platoon splits. They get weak contact against same-handed hitters, but that contact edge disappears when the batter is on the other side of the plate. Pitchers who rely on sinker/sweeper pairings often struggle with opposite-handed hitters.
One frequent plan to mitigate platoon problems is adding a changeup. I’m fairly certain that Rogers doesn’t have a changeup, though, because otherwise he’d throw one more often than never. It’s not that his slider is completely unplayable against righties, but it’s been roughly average by run value against them in his career. Meanwhile, it’s 2.5 runs above average per 100 pitches against lefties, an elite mark. Take away someone’s best weapon, and it’s no surprise they get worse. A changeup would fill that gap — if he could throw one.
But teams that teach sweepers often encounter pitchers who can’t master a changeup, and they have a solution: throw a cutter. The grip that induces floating lateral movement in sliders seems conducive to a cut fastball that functions as an ersatz changeup. Blake Treinen is my favorite example: with the Dodgers, he’s thrown a cutter more than half the time when he’s facing a lefty (he’s right-handed) and almost never when he’s facing a righty.
Rogers can definitely spin it, but he hasn’t pitched for teams I consider highly motivated pitch designers. Maybe the Brewers fit that bill, but he joined them mid-season and didn’t have a lot of time to adjust. I’m hoping the Giants sell Rogers on a cutter that suddenly makes him a plus pitcher against righties, too. Add that to what he already does well, and he could be one of the best relievers in baseball.
I can’t exactly recapture the discussion we had on that day, which was partially about these four players but also about what makes us interested in players, and what hitting and pitching skills we’re most interested in. I came away from that hour with a ton of ideas for new research and new articles, though, so hopefully the gist will come across in the next few weeks. In the meantime, I hope this article got the broad strokes across: I’m a Nootbaar maniac, and I like random lefty free-agent pitchers too.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
Not that anyone asked, but I’ll go with David Peterson, he’s got a massive whiff rate on his slider, and gets grounders at a very good rate . If he could get his walk rate down a bit he’s a #3 starter imo.
David – I’ve seen you post other Mets-centric comments, so I figure it’d be good to ask you – do you prefer DP over Megill? I tend to prefer Tylor due to his pitch mix, but worry a bit over him maintaining his velo through a full season as a starter. What do you think?
Sorry for not responding earlier I just believe in Peterson’s secondaries especially his slider over any of Megill’s pitches. Megill has also not had arm injuries like Megill has and doesn’t have the stamina issues.
Meant Peterson hasn’t had arm injuries like Megill has
With Ed’s injury, I wonder if the Mets will consider making Megill the 8th or 9th inning guy. They could use the help in the rotation, too, but the arm history is a concern that might be better mitigated with a full-time move to the pen.
I feel like they have more depth in the bullpen than in the rotation.
“Nootbaar nutbar” was just too obvious for you Ben?
The question about Nootbaar is a good one: Is Lars Nootbaar still under the radar? He’s good because he’s well rounded in so many areas except the one no one pays attention to. He hits for a normal amount of power for a right fielder, he doesn’t play a premium position (normally), he’s above average but not elite on defense, his strikeouts are neither particularly good nor particularly bad. But he walks a lot, and it’s amazing how good you can be when you walk 14% of the time and are just merely above average.
But…is this something other people outside of the FG bubble have picked up on? He made his debut, I believe, on the same day as Wander Franco, and I made a joke back then about “the debut of a generational prospect…Lars Nootbaar” and yet Nootbaar was as good as Franco last year in about the same number of PAs. That probably won’t hold, but who knows?
He made a couple of great plays against the Mets right after being called up, so for a little while the Mets announcers on both TV and radio made a bit of a running joke out of him, with his unusual name, being one of those obscure nobody players who somehow, against the odds, just kills your team. About a year or so ago both of them explicitly retired the joke and pointed out that he actually is just a very good player. I think the news is out.
I think if you ask the average fan I’d they know who he is they will ask who??
Sure, I guess. The average fan has heard of what, around 75% of their own team’s roster, plus maybe the top 30-50 guys who don’t play for their team? The threshold for average fan-of-another-team name recognition is quite high. Say, 4-5 WAR for 2-3 years running with some modifiers for media hype or awards. You could do a HoF Black Ink-style model for this.
That description sounds an awful lot like Bobby Abreu. Different times, but lots of baseball fans didn’t appreciate how good he was.
Nootbaar has the added bonus of a borderline-HOF quality name.
Abreu was better at offense and not at defense, especially after a while…but yes, it’s true that they guy who is one standard deviation above the mean on everything doesn’t get the same love as a guy who is two standard deviations above on one thing.
Nothing borderline about it
There’s a whole lot borderline about Bobby Abreu.
Which means he was an awesome player.
I’m sorry, are you talking about Lars Taylor-Tastuji Nootbaar? Or his brother, the pitcher, Nigel Nootbaar?
I still think guys that walk a lot are undervalued. You can be average across the board but still be a borderline star or better with an elite walk rate
Brett Gardner had a higher career WAR/650 than Carl Crawford!
I thought this article was actually going to be about “crushes.” My Major League Man Crush is Mike Mussina. He is hot and looks like Matt Dillon, my Hollywood Man Crush.
Among active players, I guess Nolan Arenado is handsome, but I no longer know what a lot of players look like.
Dude, it’s glasnow
Tim Anderson is a strapping young man.
This is going to depend a lot on your stance on facial hair. If you’re not into beards then your top choices are going to be Yankees, because almost all of the other “hot baseball players” I’ve seen listed all have beards or moustaches or both.
Being a Yankee is obviously disqualifying. What about Max Kepler?
I forgot about him. He is a very good looking dude. Also, he apparently is #1 on the ranker dot com page for best looking major leaguer.
Plus he has that ballet background!
I’m straight, but Kevin Kiermaier is beautiful
Does Tyler Lyons still play? Because that man ticks some serious boxes.
Finally an area where I am qualified to speak. My current favorites include Max Kepler, Corey Seager, Trea Turner, Dansby Swanson, Freddie Freeman, and Bo Bichette.
Cow is correct – being a Yankee is a DQ
Oh Nico Hoerner
Oh Nico Hoerner
Oh Nico Hoerner
Me love you long time
My daughters both say Dansby Swanson. Not happy with him getting married.
Bartolo is quite fetching if you’re a chubby-chaser.
Oh, my friends from Georgia LOVE Dansby, haha.
This is my favorite type of article. Love positivity in general and then to have it backed up with analysis is the sweet spot.
FWIW I know that Riley Greene is a trendy breakout pick but I just don’t buy it. His EVs, both max and average, are above average but not elite–maybe 60 grade. The contact rate is average. He hits the ball into the ground a lot. ZiPs and Steamer both project him to hit about 15-20 homers, walk about 8-9% of the time, and K 25-28% of the time, which is also basically what you would expect from his minor league numbers. It feels like this is mostly a pick because his swing looks very, very pretty more than anything else. And he’s young, so banking on him eventually figuring it out is decent, but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to figure it out this year.
I’ll counter on Nootbaar, because he’s Fangraph’s favorite player now. Yes, he had a low chase rate. But he also had a very low z-swing rate. At what point is it patient vs passive? His contact rates are fine, but opposing pitchers may pick up on the fact that they can probably just throw more strikes and he won’t swing a ton at them. We may be overreacting to 350 PAs here, even if hitting the ball hard is good. Passive players have a path to get exploited eventually, even if they hit the ball hard.
The way you tell patient players from passive ones is how hard they hit the ball, haha!
You don’t have a 43% Hard-Hit% and a 16% FB% if you’re just hoping for a walk – Nootbaar’s pretty clearly hunting for “his pitch.”
So is O’Neil Cruz patient? He hits the ball harder than anyone and has one of the lowest z-swing rates in baseball. Your assertion is simply untrue.
Sorting by z-swing shows you a mixed bag of players in Nootbar’s range, from a few top talents who are notorious for power and eye (Soto, Muncy), to guys with no power just trying to be productive (IKF, Brendan Donovan, kwan, Luis Guillorme), to guys with some power who would very much be described as passive (Vogelbach, Suzuki), to guys who don’t fit any real mold (lemaihieu, India, jace Peterson). There’s also Geraldo Perdomo, so make what you will of that.
Most guys with low z swing rates have low o swing rates. The ones who don’t (Cruz, IKF) probably aren’t good at discerning pitches. But there is no easy way of picking up on it from one year of stats. It’s likely about how pitchers respond and then how hitters respond to that (e.g, does noot get more pitches in the zone next year? How does he respond?).
Sorry!
I assumed that you were genuinely wondering about how to tell the difference between “Patient v. Passive” players, rather than trying to score internet points with asinine “gotcha” attempts.
My bad!
I mean, seriously – listing Vogelbach?
His Z-swing is as far from Nootbar’s as Nootbar’s is from Maikel Franco’s.
Not all pitches in the zone are good pitches to hit
Oh, I was expecting all the best players to run 100% z-swing rates! /s
“You better get your head z-rayed” – Mitch Hedberg
Is there any evidence that having a low Z-Swing% is a bad thing? Just glancing at the leaderboards, many of the best hitters in the game are also among the lowest Z-Swing% hitters. Soto, Goldschmidt, Kwan, Kirk and Schwarber are all in the bottom 15.
It’s a mixed bag. Unless you think O’Neil Cruz, Jonathan India, Trent Grisham, Darin ruf, miles straw, and Geraldo perdomo are top hitters. With a cutoff of 300 PAs (to include Nootbaar), the only guys with a wrc+ over 120 in 2022 in the top 20 of z swing% were vogelbach, kwan, Donovan, Nootbaar, Soto. There were just as many below average guys as above average guys in the top 20. That might fluctuate a bit based on which flavor of z-swing you use on here, but the main point is the same. It’s not evidence of a bad thing, but it’s not indicative of a good thing. It’s contextual based on the rest of the profile and ideally larger samples than we have now for Nootbaar.
A 120 wRC+ is like a 75th percentile hitter, so I don’t think it supports your point to say that “only” 5 of the bottom 20 in Z-Swing% topped that mark.
You were the one who brought in “some of the best in the game” into this, so that’s on you. Again, half of these guys are below league average hitters.
At least he’s not acting like a Debate Me “bro” (they wish) on Twitter, haha.
Half of them are below league average, huh?
Half of all hitters are below league average.
If Huey here were actually interested in whether hitters with Nootbar’s Y1 style are “passive” or “patient,” he could run a pretty simple Excel:
Filter by 5% on either side of his Z-Swing; filter by 5% on either side of his O-Swing; filter by “ISO>.190”
He’s not actually interested, though, which is why he keeps whining about Oneil Cruz and IKF and Vogelbach.
Not true. Half of all hitters are below the median, not average. Pedantic, but we’re here to be pedantic.
Regardless, it supports the point that low z-swing rates aren’t inherently a good thing in isolation, nor are they a bad thing.
Of course, no one in this thread was talking about low Z-swing rates “In isolation,” haha!
We were, very specifically, talking about whether a player with an O-Swing rate below 25% and an ISO over .200 was “passive” rather than “patient.”
I think Noot could be in for a really big year. For all the reasons you listed, but also he’s a prime candidate to be helped by the shift being banned and he might have had some poor batted ball luck to boot. I believe his average on balls in play was in the .240 range last year after putting up significantly higher numbers in his late minor league career, which resulted in a very low average. If he’s more of a .270 hitter with that same plate discipline and emerging power and he’s a capable defender and baserunner, that might be a really good player, like 5 wins or more over a full season.
I was really hoping for a Notgraphs-style article about the 2 most handsome hitters and pitchers in MLB.
I irrationally like Jorge Mateo because of his defense, base running and triples.
Feeling old. It seems like it was just yesterday articles about crushes on players primed for breakouts were on guys who had poor results, but projections said would be good based on peripherals. Now, it is guys who were good in small enough samples that projections/public at large may not have yet come around to love.
I first learned of Noot while attending a cardinals game last August. The packed house greeted him with droning chants of “NOOOOOOOOOT”, which at first I mistakenly heard as BOO. Then Noot blasted an opposite field foul pole homer right past me. I learned who he was right then and there.
You referenced Comerica regarding Greene. It should be noted that Comerica has newer, shorter dimensions. I believe I read that Greene had lots of home runs “taken away” from him due to park factors.
Good point. Greene hit 5 HRs last year, but according to Baseball Savant, Greene had 9.1 xHR. His expected home runs by park was 4 for Comerica; the next lowest was 7 for Safeco.
That seems like an awfully good reason to pick a breakout of counting stats, even if it may or may not be an actual breakout.
It’s wild that they are finally bringing that in too. I remember Nick Castellanos ranting about how many fly balls he lost in that ballpark. Although there isn’t a lot he can complain about in Philly; it’s more likely he’s just a very streaky guy.
Fangraphs had an interesting article a couple of years ago about how he is streaky, yet he is rarely bad. He kept cycling from a wRC+ of something like 100 to 145. So even in his rough stretches he still held his own.
Yeah, if he could play scratch defense in the corner outfield he’d be pretty good.
I think I’m in for all of these except Anderson. That BABIP from last year gives me pause that it will surely come up in 2023. Or, put differently, I’d rather be wrong about a 33 y/o pitcher that just had a career year and let my leagmuemates take the risk.
I have a theory about Greene’s seemingly weird K numbers.
He has a poor approach given his particular skillset. #’s show he’s good/great at hitting fastballs (including cutters) and pretty bad at hitting breaking pitches. This pairs very badly with his extreme patience (he has one of the higher pitches seen per plate appearance rate in MLB).
He finds himself in a lot of 2 strike counts where he’s vulnerable to out pitches, which are usually breaking pitches, which he’s bad at hitting. He should swing at fastballs earlier in the count a lot more often.
I’ve been on the Eloy Jimenez wagon since he was a 17 YO in Rk ball for the Cubs, said way back when that he was so massive he may be on that Nelson Cruz track breaking out later in his 20s, and here we are primed for a breakout at 26 (92 MPH avg EVs, some more FBs, fewer popups last year, nearly 15% barrels last year, fewer Ks, more BBs last year)
And Noooooooooot brings the fun!