Get Ready for a James Paxton Blockbuster
James Paxton is going to be traded, and he might well be traded very soon. You can never really know for sure what’s going on behind the scenes, now that front offices are increasingly leak-proof, but Paxton rumors have been bubbling to the surface with frequency, and we know Jerry Dipoto isn’t afraid of making a deal in November. The free-agent market is probably going to take its time to develop. The trade market has already opened. Dipoto moved his best catcher. Before too long, he’s going to move his best pitcher.
The Mariners, of course, were just in the playoff hunt for a while. And if there’s something they need, it’s more pitching, not less. More than anything, the Mariners would love to bring an end to their extended playoff drought, and Paxton has developed into something they should be proud of. The Mariners could use James Paxton. The Mariners could use a few James Paxtons. Yet, the big-league roster? It’s not great. And the minor-league system? It’s arguably the worst. Paxton’s looking at two remaining years of club control. The Mariners need to be honest about their timeline. It seems they’ve decided to turn Paxton’s two years into many more years of promising youngsters.
I’m not telling you much of anything you don’t already know. And I already talked about Paxton a little bit the other week. But ahead of any trade, I wanted to write this reminder of just how good Paxton really is. It’s going to be a big-time move, whenever it happens. Give me a few minutes to explain to you why.
Paxton has had something of a step function of a career. He was a hard-throwing prospect, then a hard-throwing big-leaguer, but he never commanded the ball very well, and he was sent to Triple-A after spring of 2016. There, Paxton improved almost in an instant, when Tacoma’s pitching coach had him adjust his arm angle. All of a sudden, Paxton threw even harder. All of a sudden, Paxton worked in the zone. Sometimes pitchers spend years trying to get to the next level. And Paxton, I suppose, took years, himself. But the big change happened in a matter of minutes. Ever since then, Paxton has been a different pitcher.
This next plot contains a lot of information. But I don’t want for any of you to be overwhelmed. Paxton made it back to the majors a few months into 2016. This is just a plot of Paxton’s percentile rankings in the majors since 2016, among starting pitchers. The minimum I used was 200 innings, but Paxton has more than doubled that. Note that xwOBA refers to expected wOBA, and I got that from Baseball Savant.
High marks across the board. Paxton looks the worst if you just look at him in terms of ERA-, but I also care about ERA- the least out of all of those measures, given that Paxton hasn’t always pitched in front of the most capable team defenses. You can get a sense of the scouting and the analytics, here. Paxton’s a big lefty, and he throws hard. Based on the strikes, the walks, and the zone rate, it’s easy to tell that Paxton repeats his delivery and doesn’t often miss by too much. By FIP-, Paxton ranks fifth out of 161 pitchers. By xFIP-, he ranks seventh. By expected wOBA, eighth. From a statistical perspective, Paxton’s built the profile of an ace.
Now, that plot looks back. This plot attempts to look ahead. Here are some of Paxton’s projected percentile rankings, for 2019, according to Steamer. Obviously, I’m limited by what Steamer actually projects, but this tells you most of what you need to know.
Paxton’s projected to be one of the very best starters, by ERA. He’s projected to be one of the very best starters, by FIP. The peripherals are in agreement, which is a given, since FIP is based on the peripherals. No, Steamer isn’t perfect, and no, most projection systems didn’t forecast, say, Gerrit Cole’s 2018 breakout. Trajectories can change at the drop of a hat. But all of Paxton’s indicators are excellent. It’s the indicators other teams will be studying — and have been studying — most closely.
The knock against Paxton is his durability. Whenever Paxton has to miss a start, Twitter fans are quick to the eye-roll emojis, and the fact of the matter is that Paxton’s 160.1 innings this past season were a career high. Paxton hasn’t yet proven himself to be a workhorse. But then, in 2016, between Triple-A and the majors, Paxton made 31 starts, and he was never meaningfully hurt. Paxton did then have a pair of DL stints in 2017, but in 2018, Paxton had a very minor back injury. Then he got drilled in the arm by a come-backer. Then he got sick. Paxton’s shoulder has never exploded. His elbow has never exploded. The problems in 2018 don’t seem like problems with a super high probability of recurrence.
Durability is a tough thing to forecast, anyhow. Not that missed starts and DL stints can be discounted, but Charlie Morton, for example, only just made a career-high number of starts in this past season. Gerrit Cole has exceeded 200 innings two years in a row, but in 2016, he had a pretty significant elbow scare. Paxton will cost less than he would had he never been placed on the DL, but I wouldn’t expect a huge discount. Teams see what Paxton is when he’s healthy, and teams don’t know that much about health. The winning bidder, of course, is likely to be the team expressing the fewest concerns.
If you examine the recent past, and if you examine the 2019 projections, Paxton looks quite a bit like Carlos Carrasco, another high-quality starting pitcher who’s rumored to be on the block. Part of that is because the Indians are worried about their payroll exceeding their budget, but the Indians also presumably understand Carrasco could draw a trade-market overpay, with the free-agent market somewhat thin. And the Indians are also well-positioned to win the AL Central by a healthy margin, regardless. They could step back without stepping back too far. Carrasco could bring them some longer-term reinforcements.
Between Paxton and Carrasco, many of the numbers are very similar. Paxton’s controlled another two years for something like $22 million. Carrasco’s controlled another two years for something like $20 million. Yet Paxton is a lefty, while Carrasco is a righty. Paxton throws the ball a couple ticks harder. Paxton is younger, by more than a year and a half. And unlike Carrasco, Paxton has never had Tommy John surgery. That doesn’t mean Paxton will never require Tommy John surgery, but Carrasco has already blown out once. It’s a risk, that teams are aware of. Paxton’s like Carrasco, but a little bit safer. Paxton really might be this offseason’s best pitcher available.
For that reason, the Mariners have had a big ask. Clearly, it hasn’t yet been met, since no trade has been agreed to, but a trade is coming, and it’s going to improve the Mariners’ future outlook, even though it’s virtually certain to make them worse in the short-term. For as much as we’re living in the era of declining starting-pitcher responsibility, Paxton is one of those guys every team would want in a short series. He’s one of those guys every team would want in a one-game playoff. James Paxton is a potential difference-maker in the rotation, and that’s why the Mariners are asking for young players you’ve heard of. You don’t get a player like this for a song.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.


Could the Yankees get this done with Clint Frazier, Chance Adams, and Miguel Andujar?
If Anduhar could play in the field, yes.
If Andujar could play the field, the question would be what the Mariners are going to include with Paxton for him. As it is, he’s still incredibly valuable.
Remember, this is the team that has thought nothing about playing Dee Gordon in CF, Ryon Healy at 1B and Nelson Cruz in RF. I think we’ve seen the Mariners will sacrifice defense if the bat is good enough.
I would think that’s in the right ballpark. I suspect the M’s would prefer Loisaiga over Adams, but I think Andujar is the level of return the M’s are looking for in a centerpiece. And given the gap between Andujar and their other pieces, it might be what they need to include to get it done.
That said, I am convinced the Yankees will never do this, because they still seem to think Andujar can play 3rd base. But this would be a win-win for both sides, because Andujar needs to play somewhere other than 3rd base and the Yankees don’t have room for him in the outfield.
They subbed him out in the 6th inning of a postseason game, I think they’re well aware of his issues. I think they hope he can improve, but they know what they have.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. That seems like a reasonable place to start. Maybe that gets it done maybe not but I can’t imagine it’s way off.
Yes
Yankees did get it done.
The Yankees aren’t dealing Andujar for Paxton , never mind Frazier and Adams
Not sure why this was downvoted. Yankees clearly view Andujar as a foundational piece, and it’s hard to see them valuing having Paxton for his age 30 and 31 seasons the same as Andujar wearing pinstripes for the next five years, let alone giving up more of their top prospects on top of that.
And, if they’re going to push their chips in now for a pitcher in his thirties, you would think they would go for the proven talent in Kluber instead.
You want to go into the WS with a third baseman who, yes is cheap but who you could replace without much loss in skillset on the FA market. Trying to find a Paxton in trade or FA is hard and expensive. You get Andujar for 5 years, but the Yankees window is at its peak in the next couple. Sellers market, so if they want him, they’ll have to pay.
I don’t know why either. The biggest thing that people are ignoring is, does Seattle even want Andujar in the first place? I don’t think the Yanks are super pumped to moved him in the first place, but the M’s are interested in filling holes in other places than the right side of the infield. I think much more likely to see Sheffield + Frazier or even Sheff + Fraz + Loaisiga if Jerry can swing it.
At this point Andujar’s bat is a known quantity so right now I would expect anybody to prefer Andujar over Frazier, regardless of positional need. Now, the mariners have 3B nominally covered with Seager but they have LF as an option. If that doesn’t play, 1B/DH.
A bat like that, you find room for.
Which is probably why the Yankees would be reluctant to move him and are more likely to offer up Frazier. So yes, a Frazier+ deal is possible but not as certain a return as Andujar+.
You trade a stud pitcher, you need at least one sure thing in return.
I think that Calliesdad is sort of right, because I don’t think the Yankees are willing to discuss Andujar. They see him as a 3rd baseman, and if he’s a third baseman, he’s going to be incredibly valuable. I think the M’s would love to have a big bat in a corner outfielder though, and Jerry is no stranger to having players switch positions. I think Andujar is something the M’s would love to have.
Sheffield/Frazier/Loisaiga might be enough, but it’s also potentially just shy. Paxton is a beast. He’s going to demand either a headliner or volume. If Andujar’s not in it, the Yankees don’t have a headliner to outbid the Astros, Nationals, Rays, etc. That means volume.
One last idea: Don’t rule out the M’s asking for Domingo German or Jordan Montgomery. I would suspect that the answer to that would also be “no” but I would expect it to come up. The M’s want young, controllable, major-league ready talent.
Looks like the Yankees did better than Sheffield/Frazier/Loasiga!
I agree with Tony Wisconsin here. I really feel like everyone just loves to pile on Andujar’s defense for the upvotes.
Forget the defense and go back to the idea of not subtracting from your current roster to add another player. If Paxton is worth 4.4 WAR and Andujar is worth 2.7 WAR, then why the heck are you throwing in the rest of your AAA prospects to make this deal for 1.7 wins?
If you only have to use Frazier/Adams/more-players then this deal makes a lot more sense (at least from the Yankees side). TBH… I don’t know what the Mariners expect to get, but that’s not what we’re debating at the moment.
You also have to put in the equation, what is the cost in replacing the said player…
Lets say Yankees sign Donaldson on a 1/20M contract, there is legitimate chances that Donaldson out WAR Andujar. For +/- 45M and Andujar, you are getting between 10-14 WAR and a comp pick (if you believe JD will rebound!)… which is a lot of surplus value … now the questions is, how much is worth 5 years of controllable Andujar in surplus value??
Donaldson is not attached to a pick anymore or ever again.
Why never again? Hes not attached to a piick this time around but he could be after the completion of his next deal
The names I hear the most in a Yankees scenario are Justus Sheffield and Albert Abreu. Pretty sure they would not include Andujar, Torres or Florial.
Teams that could really use Paxton:
Yankees
Astros
A’s
Nationals
Brewers
Cubs
That’s enough bidders to scare up a healthy return. And that’s before we throw in teams like the Braves, Dodgers, and Rays who probably don’t need him but have enough minor league depth that they could try for him anyway.
Jeff, I would think that Edwin Diaz has more value than Paxton. He has 4 full years of control and should rank in the top 3 or 4 closers in all of baseball. He is at an age where his Velo will probably hold up throughout the next 4 season and he is more easily replaced (with less damage) than Paxton to the Mariners. While Colome is not Diaz, he can certainly fill the gap and cause fewer lost wins than running some mediocre #4 or 5 starter rather than Paxton. If the Mariners should make the post-season in a one-and-done scenario, Paxton would be the arm they would need. Also, the teams that really need a #1 bullpen arm all have great depth on the Major League rosters as well as minor league goodies (Dodgers, with Jansen’s status less certain, Cubs, with Morrow’s status always uncertain, Cardinals, with Hicks as only “top” arm, Nationals, who always seem to need a closer, Red Sox with Diaz costing $60mm less than re-signing Kimbrel, and possibly the Mets, Phillies and Indians (although they are not as deep as the others.)
Innings make a difference.
Diaz would bring in a haul, especially if the Dodgers are really worried about Jansen, but Paxton will have more bidders so the auction will get heated. Bigger haul is more likely Paxton.
Move both and you could be back in the fray in two/three years.
The Mariners are barely close enough to be worrying about a one-game playoff. They need a full rebuild. They are not going to be better next year than they were this year, especially since so much of this year was built on smoke and mirrors with lucky wins vs. expected wins.
Well, Thanksgiving is a coulpe of weeks away, so we have plenty of time to rosterbate before Dipoto catches us off guard.
I think Dipoto just caught us off guard today
No kidding. I wrote that before I heard about the issue with Dr. Martin.
Yeah. That’s a fireable offense in any line of work. If there’s any fire with that smoke, good luck scouting in the Dominican from here on out.
Whatever was said, it was likely out of context and I doubt this will affect the scouting in DR or anywhere else, though it has probably raised some eyebrows.
Carrasco is actually controlled for 3 years, $27m if the team options are picked up. That’s a much better value, even if he is older.
Cot’s only shows options for 2019 and 2020
https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/cleveland-indians-2/
Incorrect, but barring something extreme happening, Carrasco will cost $18.5 million over the next two seasons, not $20 million like the article says.
I think the Dodgers and Houston should be the top two bidders. Both seem more clearly in win now mode and have the prospects to get it done. Boston doesn’t have prospects to match other bids. Cubs really have no farm either. You only need 2 serious bidders but I am not sure there is a long list of teams that thinks it can compete in the next 2 years that also has the prospects to trade and wants to give them up.
The Yankees.
If the Mariners were smart, they would try to pry uber-prospect Wander Javier away from the Twins in exchange for Paxton.
But if the Twins were smart, they would just keep their transcendent prospect rather than trade for a pitcher that gets hurt all the time.
Javier didn’t even make this site’s recent Top 131 Prospects list…
I guess DustyColorado has Wanderlust! Maybe he was thinking of Franco.
That’s the list maker’s fault, not the elite, generational prospect’s fault.
3 years of Addison Russell and 3 years of Kyle Schwarber for 2 years of Paxton? And then Cubs sign Harper to play LF?
Paxton’s a really good pitcher and any team would love to have him…but an awful lot of what you’re paying for is potential. Over the last three years he ranks 42nd among pitchers in RA-9 WAR at 8.2. Guys in his neighborhood include Chase Anderson, Jameson Taillon, Danny Duffy, German Marquez, Ervin Santana, and Drew Pomeranz. Fine pitchers all, but no one you’d empty the farm system for. Obviously Paxton’s more valuable than any of these guys because of how hard he throws and how good he is on a per-inning basis. But an acquiring team is left hoping his ERA starts to match his FIP, hoping he stays healthy. Maybe he will do those things…but in all the evidence available to us, he hasn’t.
The guy he reminds me of a lot is Gerrit Cole last offseason: two years of control, huge upside, good-not-great track record, health concerns. The package netted for Cole was considered underwhelming at the time and hasn’t aged any better. If the M’s really want ready-nowish players I think that’s the type of return they’re looking at. I just don’t think a Chris Sale type return — two top 10 in baseball prospects, a top 100 guy, plus an interesting arm — will be out there.