Gregory Polanco Won’t Fix The Pirates’ Real Problem
At some point in the near future — perhaps even within the next 48 hours or so, if you believe Ken Rosenthal, which you probably should — the Pirates are going to finally make the move that their fans have been desperately waiting for and promote outfielder Gregory Polanco. If you’ve been following this situation at all, you know most of the background there. Polanco is 22, he’s tearing up Triple-A (.353/.412/.552), he’s reportedly a plus defensive outfielder, and when he teams with Andrew McCutchen & Starling Marte in Pittsburgh, it might just be the best defensive outfield in the game on day one. Considering that the primary Pirates right fielders have been Travis Snider (56 wRC+ when playing right), Jose Tabata (76) and Josh Harrison (a shocking 139 that belies his 78 career mark entering the year), Polanco’s presence will be a welcome reinforcement to a disappointing Pirates club — even if he isn’t likely to go all Yasiel Puig on the league immediately.
When he does, we’ll all marvel at his talent and laugh at the lip service the Pirates paid to him “not being ready” and complain that the silly “Super Two” rules provide incentives for teams to keep their best players in the minors, and we’ll all miss the greater point about the Pirates: other than a bit of better defense, Polanco isn’t going to change the fact that the pitching staff is really, really disappointing.
Like, this disappointing, not including last night:
(Surprised that the Red Sox are No. 1? So was I at first, but Jon Lester, John Lackey and Koji Uehara have all been very good.)
They were the worst in April. They were the worst in May. If you prefer RA9-WAR rather than FIP-based WAR, it’s 27th. If you like FIP, they’re 29th. ERA has them at 15th, which is something. You’d have to do some serious contorting to make the argument that the Pirates have anything other than a considerably below-average pitching staff.
Here, in one handy little table, is why that’s such a problem:
| Offense | Pitching | |||
| R/G | wRC+ | R/G | FIP | |
| 2013 | 3.9 | 98 | 3.6 | 3.42 |
| 2014 | 3.9 | 99 | 4.3 | 4.17 |
Last year’s roughly-average offense is this year’s roughly-average offense. Last year’s outstanding pitching, fifth in both FIP and xFIP, has become this year’s anchor. Last year’s 94-win dream season has become this year’s 28-30, tied-for-3rd place in the NL Central disappointment. If you do one thing the same, and the other thing worse, you’re going to be worse overall. Sometimes, baseball really is that simple.
Some of this wasn’t hard to predict, of course — the Pirates never could have counted on Jeff Locke returning to his ridiculous first half form from 2013, which he didn’t — and to a certain extent, it was. In March, we ranked the Pirates rotation No. 22 in the Positional Power Rankings, saying that:
The 2014 Pirates will be a good test of whether last year’s breakthrough was the result of good pitchers having great years, or whether the organizational context made the arms look better than they were through aggressive shifting and defensive contributions. Replacing A.J. Burnett with Edinson Volquez is a significant gamble, but the Pirates have to be encouraged by their success with rehab projects of late; if they turn Volquez into a quality starter, then we’ll have to shift a good portion of the credit for the 2013 success from Burnett and Liriano to the organization as a whole.
Burnett hasn’t been the same in Philadelphia, though he’s been dealing with a hernia. Volquez has had his moments, and has actually managed to limit his control issues, but major home run problems mean that he’s much closer to replacement level than he is to anything approximating Burnett.
But really, the huge downgrade from Burnett to Volquez is just one of the problems. Six atrocious starts given to the since-DFA’d Wandy Rodriguez is another. And here’s yet another: compare all pitchers who had at least 10 innings for the Pirates both last year and this year (not including last night), and you’ll notice that every starting pitcher’s xFIP is higher. The two main cogs in the bullpen, Mark Melancon and Jason Grilli, are higher. Only Tony Watson and Jared Hughes are showing an appreciable improvement, and Hughes is somehow doing that despite being all but unable to collect strikeouts.
| Season | Name | IP | ERA | FIP | xFIP | +/- | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2013 | Brandon Cumpton | 30.2 | 2.05 | 2.62 | 3.40 | ||
| 2014 | Brandon Cumpton | 22.1 | 6.85 | 3.65 | 4.23 | – | |
| 2013 | Charlie Morton | 116 | 3.26 | 3.60 | 3.69 | ||
| 2014 | Charlie Morton | 73.1 | 3.31 | 4.02 | 4.18 | – | |
| 2013 | Francisco Liriano | 161 | 3.02 | 2.92 | 3.12 | ||
| 2014 | Francisco Liriano | 64.1 | 4.62 | 3.88 | 3.47 | – | |
| 2013 | Gerrit Cole | 117.1 | 3.22 | 2.91 | 3.14 | ||
| 2014 | Gerrit Cole | 71 | 3.80 | 3.94 | 3.52 | – | |
| 2013 | Jared Hughes | 32 | 4.78 | 4.11 | 4.32 | ||
| 2014 | Jared Hughes | 17.2 | 2.04 | 4.03 | 3.96 | + | |
| 2013 | Jason Grilli | 50 | 2.70 | 1.97 | 2.21 | ||
| 2014 | Jason Grilli | 13 | 3.46 | 4.61 | 4.20 | – | |
| 2013 | Jeanmar Gomez | 80.2 | 3.35 | 3.85 | 3.95 | ||
| 2014 | Jeanmar Gomez | 29.2 | 4.25 | 5.36 | 4.04 | / | |
| 2013 | Justin Wilson | 73.2 | 2.08 | 3.41 | 3.82 | ||
| 2014 | Justin Wilson | 22.2 | 3.18 | 2.50 | 3.81 | / | |
| 2013 | Mark Melancon | 71 | 1.39 | 1.64 | 2.05 | ||
| 2014 | Mark Melancon | 27 | 2.33 | 2.77 | 3.06 | – | |
| 2013 | Tony Watson | 71.2 | 2.39 | 3.20 | 3.72 | ||
| 2014 | Tony Watson | 26 | 1.04 | 2.15 | 2.54 | + |
More often than not, a Pirates pitcher is simply not having the same effectiveness as they did last year. As a whole, Pirates pitchers are striking out fewer (7.72 K/9 last year, 7.37 this year), walking about the same, and allowing far more homers (a best-in-MLB 0.62 HR/9 last year, 1.02 this year). That’s partially because Burnett’s groundball ways have left, and Rodriguez & Volquez have replaced him with big homer problems, but it’s also because Liriano has taken an unsurprising step back, and because Cole has merely been good, not the dominant young ace we saw down the stretch last year.
Remember, last year, the outstanding Pirates defense made their pitchers look better, and for the most part — maybe a bit more Ike Davis, a bit less Garrett Jones — it’s the same defense. DRS still thinks they’re great, UZR/150 does not, and I won’t begin to delve into those differences here, other than to say: their BABIP is just about identical. Last year, it was .285. This year, it’s .286, with both numbers being slightly better than league average. The defense is still helping the staff, which is why the Pirates still rank as one of the teams most outperforming their FIP. It’s just that the staff is starting from a lower baseline now.
So how does it get better? That’s the problem, particularly with top prospect Jameson Taillon out for the year with Tommy John surgery, Not having any more Rodriguez starts is a huge help, though replacement Brandon Cumpton isn’t likely to be a season-saver. If Liriano can merely pitch to his peripherals — his ERA is 1.20 runs higher than his xFIP — that’d be a big boost, too, though we should know by know how foolish it can be to count on Liriano to be effective for two years in a row.
And really, that’s the problem. There’s no top pitcher here, where last year, you may have argued the Pirates had three. Burnett is gone. Liriano is his usual inconsistent self. Cole has been more good than great. Charlie Morton is an acceptable mid-to-back-of-the-rotation starter. Volquez is Volquez. There are 41 pitchers who have been worth at least 1 WAR this year, and the Pirates don’t have any. They fare a bit better in RA9-WAR — Watson is No. 37, then no one until Cole appears tied for No. 70 — but it’s a staff who didn’t replace last year’s best pitcher and wasn’t prepared for inevitable steps back from their other building blocks.
Polanco is coming, and that should help the lineup. But he’s not going to be on the mound, there isn’t much help coming from within, and unless Neal Huntington shocks us all with an incredibly unlikely move for a James Shields or a Jeff Samardzija, the inability of the Pirates’ pitching to live up to what they showed in 2013 is going to be what prevents this team from returning to October, despite all the worry about their offense.
Mike Petriello used to write here, and now he does not. Find him at @mike_petriello or MLB.com.

As pessimistic as this take is (w/ some merit), it’s also not very likely that Cole/Volquez will continue to put up a HR/FB rate that extremely high.
Once HR/FB normalizes, Cole is pretty much the same guy as he was last year and Volquez’s (improved/consistent) stuff has a chance to show.
Also, Cumpton is better than this author is implying.
All I implied was that Cumpton isn’t going to be the guy to turn the season around. He’s fine, but the Pirates need more than “fine.”
True, but Wandy was much worse than fine, so it could be a significant swing. Very very pitchers are “season savers.”
Witness 2B and C for the Jays. Going from horrid to OK can make a huge difference!
The pitching has not been good, and Polanco won’t fix that. But there are two issues. One is that the pitching has gotten a bit better. Over the last 30 days (which include “contributions” from Wandy and Brian Morris) xFIP, FIP, and SIERA have been much better than the first 35 days. xFIP and SIERA suggest that the pitching has been middle of the pack during this window. Will the subtractions improve the pitching enough to allow a post-season run? Got me.
FIP still says they are in the bottom third even during the last 30 days. If you believe in the FIP approach, which implies that pitchers can prevent home runs on fly balls, it looks like the Bucs have no shot.
I’d have to disagree on the Cumpton thing. The pitching has been better as of late but Cump-daddy doesn’t strike anyone out. If you don’t strike people out, you aren’t going to have success. Too many balls in play for him will go against him in the same way Morton has experienced his whole career. Even with Taillon in the mix, the rotation isn’t very good. One’good’ starter, three mediocre, and a very questionable guy leaves them where they are at. It’d be nice to end up with a Shields-Shark trade somewhat soon but I’m not sure they are going to be the ones to part ways with top guys to do it or if they even have the farm system to do it anymore.
Vance Worley has quietly been excellent in AAA (2.51 FIP in 38 IP).
Lol.
Welp. I feel vindicated a little bit.
Not an unfair article, but odd timing considering they are 11-5 in the last 16 games and their offense was as good as any in the NL in May.
Unsure how “their offense being good,” which is only sort of true, has anything to do with an article about their lousy pitching.
Well last I checked W and L are determined by BOTH runs scored and runs allowed. No need to be an oversensitive a$$. And its not only sort of true, they lead the NL in BA and OBP and were 2nd!!!! in wRC+ in May which is what I said (as good as any)
The recent surge has looked a whole lot like 2013, with good (albeit short outing) SP, great bullpen, but with a better offense.
And 7th in NL in runs scored in May: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=5&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,d
But again, you’re arguing offense. This is not an article about offense.
I also said it was a fair article, their SP has sucked, but I questioned the timing and the conclusion that they are done for 2014. Playoff odds at nearly 30% this morning on this website.
Their uniform colors are yellow and black. That’s gotta help.
“But again, you’re arguing offense. This is not an article about offense.”
To be fair, the article is about how their offense can’t counteract the failures of their pitching. You’re talking about the pitching, but the headline is a conclusion based on the pitching that may or may not be true depending on how good the offense is/gets/whatever.
Not trying to come across as a smart ass but, Pirates Hurdles, what’s your point? You’re essentially agreeing with Mike. The title and the article itself are suggesting that Polanco isn’t the answer and that the pitching is the issue. Their offense, as you’ve pointed out, has been raking. Harrison has been great in the leadoff spot. Sure they’ve won 11 or 16 and have improved their playoff odds pretty dramatically in the last couple of weeks, but that doesn’t change the fact that their pitching has been awful. You have to look at the third of the season that’s been played as a whole. They are in third place at 28-30 at 6.5 games out of first. They are only two back of the second wildcard spot but there are 6 teams within that margin. They were pretty much a playoff lock and had one of the best records in baseball at this point last year. This year, not so much and thus I see nothing peculiar about the timing of this article.
wait, whos being the “oversensitive a$$”
It’s an article about the Pirates. The Pirates are a team. That means they sometimes hit and field. Hitting and fielding sometimes contribute in to a team winning games.
The pitching staff has not pitched well this season. Whether that evaluation refers to a momentary trend or to a condition which will continue as the season progresses — that is a question we just can’t answer. And statistical analysis which evokes the SSS caveat just will not help settle the matter.
“And statistical analysis which evokes the SSS caveat just will not help settle the matter.”
Good thing the article didn’t do that then!
He did use SSS-addled stats to defend this judgment:
Hopefully Polanco can start robbing a few HRs and solve their problems!
Unless Polanco has a 21 ft vertical, its gonna be tough to rob HRs in right field in Pittsburgh
Greg Polanco is a great athlete, but I cannot imagine him robbing even a single HR over the 21-foot-tall right field fence at PNC. If he does, we need to reserve a place in Cooperstown immediately.
Come on, Ben and Spa, Jim Lahey was clearly talking about robbing inside-the-park home runs!
Reservation, please!
Yeah! Get serious Jim!
jim lahey is a drunk bastard.
You need to lay off those cheeseburgers, Randy.
Great article. I’m a Pirates fan, and I can’t believe that pitching will be the problem going forward this season. Cole is young enough that his continued improvement is almost a given barring injury. I worry about Taillon for future seasons, but injuries requiring TJS aren’t nearly the career death sentence they once were. The Pirates’ payroll is still miniscule, so they have some flexibility to add through free agency.
I thought from reading the title that this article would be about how Polanco is not going to be as good as everyone is saying, and I’m relieved from both a fantasy and real-life perspective that it was not.
“Cole is young enough that his continued improvement is almost a given barring injury.”
This is far from true, especially for pitchers. There have been articles on this very site that show that aging curves are changing. Also, the league can catch on to new pitchers or pitchers can just lose a bit off their stuff. Great example this year: Shelby Miller.
Are you claiming that Cole has already reached his peak at age 23? Do you believe this might be true?
So IMO that sentiment is kind of right, kind of wrong. The idea he’s writing about is that pitcher velocity (especially in today’s game) is prone to decreasing year over year from the day you enter the bigs. Throwing harder is typically correlated with more Ks, which we like because there is no ball in play. So yes, there is something to the narrative that a pitcher’s peak effectiveness occurs early in their career.
However, where that idea is wrong is that it’s not uniformly applicable to every pitcher, and certain pitchers–one would guess ones around a velocity threshold, if such a thing is real–are typically effected more. However, in his defense, I’m not sure he’s saying that every pitcher follows a certain aging curve.
To write Cole off as the next Matt Moore is crazy, of course, but he’s right that it *is* in the realm of possibility, pedigree and all.
One way it gets better is the calendar flips to June and Liriano pitches the way he usually does in the middle of the season.
http://hiddenvigorish.com/2014/05/even-the-bad-liriano-can-be-good/
Hopefully that is enough to get them in position to where adding an arm at the trade deadline makes sense.
If the Pirates make a deadline deal, it’s not going to be for any big names. Remember, this is the same team that was only willing to pay a guy projected for 3 wins $12 million and rejected the price he wanted at $14 million.
It seems much more likely that NH sees this as a lost season and will hope continuing to be cheap will work in future seasons.
You mean the guy who currently has put up a WAR of 0.2?
Who cares what he was projected at? Isn’t it possible (likely) that internally the pirates weren’t projecting him for that same number?
A year ago the Bucs’ farm system looked ridiculously good. Fortunes turn so quickly though. Taillon and Holmes were injured. Kingham and Glasnow have not looked promising. Sanchez is unimpressive. Hanson does not seem to have the glove for short, nor the bat for 2B. JaCoby Jones almost certainly won’t stick at short.
As a Pirate fan I am not excited about the farm system beyond Polanco. I think Stetson Allie may be the best position player in the minors after Polanco, but obviously he has defense and strikeout problems.
Glasnow set a high standard last year. He used his curveball to set that standard. He’s reportedly pitching without it this season, learning to use his changeup. His current ERA is near to 2.10. He’s striking out more than a batter per inning. His walk rate remains high.
Kingham has lost velocity off of his fastball. That’s a problem.
The Pirates have a number of top-100 position players playing in the minors. They are playing in age appropriate leagues or are younger than the players in their current league. It is a strong and deep system. It is shallower than it was before the 2014 season began. Injuries are one problem.
You mean counting on Edinson Volquez and Francisco Liriano to anchor the staff didn’t work? Gerrit Cole is not an ace? Letting AJ Burnett walk was a mistake? This is all very shocking to me.
The only real shocker should be that the Pirates contended last year.
Letting AJ Burnett walk doesn’t look like a mistake at this point.
Looking at the chart, can someone explain what’s going on with pitching WAR for the Mets? I know Citi Field is a pitcher’s park, but it looks like it’s strongly skewing the data. They’re 18th in FIP, 18th in xFIP, they’ve pitched the 2nd most innings, yet their WAR is 29th out of 30. There are several teams that have essentially the same FIP and Innings Pitched, but they have over 4 WAR, whereas the Mets have 1.5. It seems to me like there’s a glitch in the formula.
I agree in that the Mets have been far from the second worst pitching staff but I think you answered your own question. I’m guessing that the Mets being 18th in FIP and xFIP in a pitcher’s park is what’s killing their WAR. They are 15th in RA9-WAR which seems to be more representative of how they have actually performed.
Actually, I think I may have found another factor. In looking at the “WAR for pitchers” page, it looks like the park adjustment is based on 5-years of data. I recall the Citi Field fences moving in two years ago, so I wonder if 60% of the park factor is based on the old dimensions. If so, that’s might be playing a big role in their WAR, because their pitching performance doesn’t seem close to 2nd-worst in the league.
Interesting you may be on to something. But if I recall correctly, the Mets park factor didn’t change that much because the park’s old dimensions suppressed home runs whereas the suppression of doubles and triples offset the added home runs when the fences were brought in.
IIRC this site is only using to-date-with-fences-moved data to calculate Citi Field park factors (same deal at Safeco and Petco, as well) — so the park factor may be a little noisier right now than other teams’.
the Mets ptichers are 16th in MLB in FIP at home (3.74) and 22nd in FIP on the road (4.10). once you adjsut for league and park factors, it shouldnt be surprising that they are near the bottom in pitchers WAR
I bet the Pirates are kicking themselves for taking Duke Welker back from the Twins in exchange for Kris Johnson from the Morneau trade…he has been lights out in AAA and would be more than worthy of a spot in their rotation.
So Morris and Wandy are contributing -1.6 wins to the above chart. Since they are no longer on the team, and their replacements project to be at replacement level, I think that would but them around 2 WAR if we were to rewrite history. Still pretty bad.
However, I think they are getting dinged a lot in WAR from allowing so many HRs in a park that has one of the lowest park factors for HRs. Their xFIP is 19th which paints a little more encouraging picture.
This article was two weeks late since in the last two weeks the Bucs have allowed 3 runs or less in 9 of the 13 games played and 4 or 5 runs in 3 of the other 4. If the offense performs that is a recipe for success.
WAR is so flawed for pitchers, the Red Sox and Yankees are not anywhere close to having the best staffs in the league.
this attempt is so two thousand and late.
“Last year’s roughly-average offense is this year’s roughly-average offense.”
The Pirates offense is above league average by ~5 wRC+, which places them in the top third of teams. I would not describe them as roughly-average (5 wRC+ is a significant difference at a team level).
Also, the Pirates pitching is 30th in MLB for FB%. They won’t benefit as much from outstanding outfield defense due to their pitching profile.
Even 2014 AJ couldn’t adequately replace 2013 AJ, unfortunately. Only 5 QS so far.
Always tough to follow ‘career’ years. I’m hoping for mid-80s wins now.
Still, 2013, for us long suffering Bucco fans, was a blast!!!!
Maybe they should have kept Wandy around? Dunno how much it’d help, but he had an absurd HR/FB rate that would come down (And very low strand rate), and aside from that it seems like he was basically the same guy? Even his velocity wasn’t abnormally low.
Wandy was almost certainly a guy who was giving up lots of HRs because he’s got batting practice stuff, not because the HR/FB gods were against him. There may be a fix out there somewhere, but it wasn’t coming in the bigs in the near future.
Where would the Red Sox be without 9 WAR from their pitchers? But looking at their hitters, they have a lot of guys not too far off batting 300. Their offence hasn’t been that bad, has it? What exactly is wrong in Boston?
Sequencing. Untimely hitting.
Batting 300 isn’t as valuable by itself as you think it is?
Anything goes in this division and the entire NL. The Pirates have climbed back into the picture, going 19-10 since that ugly double-header loss to the Orioles. If they continue with this current momentum, I could see them calling Theo up and perhaps bringing in Hammel for the second half. Cole and Liriano are just fine at the front end and Morton is a decent enough #4 on any team. Hammel would slot in nicely as a mid-rotation guy down the stretch. If it doesn’t work out, Liriano, Martin, Gaby Sanchez, Clint Barmes, Grilli and Melancon could all be on the move by the deadline.
Jameson Taillon, where are you!?
Getting his elbow un-ruined.
Pitching WAR is a joke, Pirates concerns aside.
A’s Runs Allowed = 183 1st in MLB
Red Sox Runs Allowed = 245 18th in MLB
Pirates Runs Allowed (mostly no DH games )= 248, 19th in MLB.
Despite the author’s supposing, mentioning John Lackey does not explain Boston’s lead in WAR away. The stat does not work as applied here.
It does if you are attempting to separate defense (as FIP-WAR does) from pitching (as runs allowed does not).
FIP does not exclude all defense, particularly catcher framing.
Funny enough, after the Rosenthal report; a high ranking pirates official (lol official) stated that there is no truth to the rumor Polanco will be called up Friday. Who should we believe here?
All I took away from this article was that the Dodgers have the 7th worst pitching WAR. Now there’s a real topic for an article.
Now there’s a smug, self-interested fan’s idea of what’s a real topic for an article (i.e. one about *MY* major market team because *ALL* baseball discussion must be about the mega-markets).
I’d rather see Adam Wainwright get some attention.
Their plate discipline for their hitters (cutch aside) is also terrible too, another reason why theyve been bad and not nearly scored enough runs. Starling Marte is an example of that, his K/BB numbers are abysmal, seriously look at them, and could lead to him getting sent down for Polanco more likely id say. The Pirates just dont seem to preach patience from their hitters, Alvarez is another who should be a typical take and rake guy with his low avg, high power swing- but he walks less than average too. Yet they have once of the most patient hitters on the planet on their team but dont learn from him, baffles!
They actually did preach patience through the offseason, ST, and the beginning of 2014 and it showed. Marte’s BB% was way up but so was his K%, Alvarez K% dropped well below his career norms (take a look at his BABIP), and Cutch leads the league in walks because he’s being pitched around. Davis is a mother guy with a solid OBP.
The problem is, Marte is what he his — which is a guy who aggressively swings at most anything — and the transition to cutting down on swings didn’t go well. He’s hit .300 all the way up the ladder by letting it rip and that’s what he’s likely to do always, if allowed (closer to .270 in MLB). Pedro’s just incredibly unlucky so far this year — try normalizing his BABIP and looking at his line again. Walker’s been patient as always but with more power, Martin’s Martin. Ks, a few homers, low average and middling OBP. Mercer also had a hard time cutting down on swing rate but he’s heated up a bit of late.
autocorrect fail.
Davis is another guy….
Yankees and Red Sox on top with their current rotations?? Am I seeing things?!