Handicapping the Award Races: MVP
Once baseball’s non-waiver trade deadline passes, you start to see the conversations shift from fantasy to terra firma. Almost all the big-name players who are likely to make Chicxulub-sized impacts on team rosters have already been traded. The focus shifts squarely back to the pennant races, and with them, talk of individual player awards.
It will come as no surprise to most readers that I love working on predictive models. It’s not just about trying to predict the future — though that is inevitably a large part of it — it’s also about dissecting things to see how they work. Awards are something I’ve always found fascinating because they not only deal with truths in baseball but also with the psychology and mindset of the people covering the sport. We talk a lot about baseball writers believing more in stats like OBP and SLG, and eventually WAR, but the proof in the pudding is in the eating. If advanced stats don’t budge how writers are judging the best players in the league, are they truly accepted?
We’ll start this trio of pieces with the current MVP races. I’ve spent a lot of time over the past decade modeling MVP votes, and the truth is that things have, in fact, shifted considerably. Slugging percentage and wins above replacement do have more predictive value than they did in the past, as does on-base percentage (albeit to a lesser extent). The defensive players who get a larger share of the vote than one expects tend to be players who do well in the sabermetric defensive measures. Team quality and the Triple Crown stats still play the largest role, however, and even though the MVP award doesn’t specify hitters over pitchers, pitchers still make far less of a dent than one would expect from their impact.
But enough prattling on. Let’s get to the current award projections, starting with the American League.
| Rank | Player | Win % |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | J.D. Martinez | 23.5% |
| 2 | Mike Trout | 16.9% |
| 3 | Jose Ramirez | 14.0% |
| 4 | Mookie Betts | 13.5% |
| 5 | Khris Davis | 9.6% |
| 6 | Francisco Lindor | 4.2% |
| 7 | Jose Altuve | 4.2% |
| 8 | Chris Sale | 2.8% |
| 9 | Giancarlo Stanton | 2.8% |
| 10 | Alex Bregman | 1.2% |
| NA | The Field | 7.4% |
In stat-friendly circles, the discussion of the AL MVP award tends to revolve around the four players lapping the field in WAR: Mookie Betts, Jose Ramirez, Mike Trout, and to a lesser extent, Francisco Lindor. After Lindor, it’s nearly a two-win drop to the next player, the injured Aaron Judge, so it’s natural for the sabermetrically inclined to see a top tier in the AL that’s clearly ahead of the pack.
The problem is that Triple Crown stats, which remain a large part of how writers determine the award, paint a murkier picture of the race. One can say that the MVP race should be between Betts, Ramirez, and Trout, but with those numbers, other competitors sneak in.
The most notable of these competitors is J.D. Martinez, whom ZiPS thinks is the current AL favorite. The AL East race was essentially settled once the Red Sox swept the Yankees in a four-game series last weekend, with Martinez a member of the team coming out on top. He currently leads the AL in home runs and RBI and is third in batting average. That’s a player with a non-zero shot at winning the Triple Crown, and as terrific as both Betts and Ramirez are, a lot of craziness can happen in a two-month period. ZiPS puts the Triple Crown probability for Martinez at 6%, and as we’ve seen from the Miguel Cabrera/Trout race a few years ago, a Triple Crown winner tends to end a lot of the discussion.
Khris Davis is a stretch from a WAR standpoint, as ZiPS has him finishing only in the 30s in the AL rankings. But he’s also projected to finish just behind Martinez in home runs and RBI, and he’s the most notable player on one of the few AL teams still in an actual playoff race. You can say that Matt Chapman ought to be that player — and I agree with you — but if voters are looking at the Oakland A’s, the player ranked among the league leaders for homers and RBI is going to receive more votes than a third baseman with 20-25 homers and 60 or so RBI, no matter his glove.
Stanton still rates at having a realistic path to the MVP award. Rather than hitting 60 homers, he’s on a path for around 40, hobbling a bit at the moment, and he just got national coverage for striking out to designated hitter Matt Davidson. Stanton’s also a player whocould bust out 25 homers in two months. (He hit 30 last July and August.) And remember, while I said the AL East was essentially a done race, it’s not officially done, and while this is out of ZiPS’s purview, a miracle comeback by the Yankees (which would probably need a terrific run by Stanton to maximize those odds) would be a very effective storyline for Giancarlo.
That’s the American League in brief. Now here’s the National League:
| Rank | Player | Win % |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Nolan Arenado | 30.2% |
| 2 | Matt Carpenter | 12.3% |
| 3 | Eugenio Suarez | 8.4% |
| 4 | Freddie Freeman | 8.4% |
| 5 | Javier Baez | 8.3% |
| 6 | Christian Yelich | 8.1% |
| 7 | Nick Markakis | 4.2% |
| 8 | Bryce Harper | 3.4% |
| 9 | Max Scherzer | 3.3% |
| 10 | Aaron Nola | 2.4% |
| NA | The Field | 11.2% |
While the WAR figures might lead one to the conclusion that the NL has no obvious frontrunner, ZiPS strenuously disagrees with that analysis. Nolan Arenado is second in the NL in round-trippers, third in RBI, and seventh in batting average, but still close enough in all the categories that the projections feel he could unleash a sneak-attack on a Triple Crown race. The computer projects Arenado to finish fifth in BA, but with upside, and lead in the other jewels in the Triple Crown while also leading the National League in WAR. There’s also not a lot of evidence voters really give a big Coors hit to Rockies in seasonal awards.
It’s not often that a player en route to an MVP-level campaign is also the sort who has, earlier in the season, prompted readers to ask in one of my chats if that same player’s career is perhaps over. Still below the Mendoza Line on May 23rd, Matt Carpenter has hit an absolutely ludicrous .331/.436/.726 since, with 26 home runs in 66 games. If he continues to mash like this, it’ll be almost impossible for him not to win the MVP award, though maintaining an 1.150 OPS is easier said than done. Carpenter’s probably not helped by the perception that St. Louis is a non-contender, but the probability of them snagging a Wild Card spot is still firmly in plausible territory.
I’m not as convinced as ZiPS that Suarez will grab that many MVP votes, but Joey Votto finished second in voting last year on an even worse Reds team, so who knows in a non-obvious race? I enjoy seeing Harper in the top 10, because even in what is indisputably a down year for him, he remains a dangerous player, and like Stanton in the AL, a low-probability comeback by the Nats will more often than not require Harper to have fully entered Beast Mode.
Scherzer is the most valuable player in the National League in 2018 so far, and I’d happily vote for him if the season ended today. Just on merit, he ought to be a near slam dunk, but again, many writers simply don’t consider pitchers, and even the ballots that do include pitchers tend to admit hurlers into the MVP fraternity on a rather limited and somewhat arbitrary fashion. If the season ended today — I do not know which, if any, award I’m voting for in the NL this year — I’d probably vote for five pitchers on my MVP ballot, and that would likely be the most (or near) for pitcher inclusions among the voters.
If the Brewers do win the NL Central, you’d expect one of their hitters to have a strong award case, but which one? ZiPS projects Lorenzo Cain to be the team’s WAR leader and to finish fifth in the NL in WAR, but without one offensive stat that really sticks out — one of Cain’s virtues is his well-rounded game — it’s a hard sell for him to get it done just with defense. Jesus Aguilar is having a terrific year, nearly out of the blue, but he is projected to finish in fifth in homers/RBI. ZiPS goes with Yelich, projecting him to finish sixth in WAR with a batting average title at which to point. When in doubt, go with the player with the bullet-point offensive highlight.
I must admit, I’m a bit biased (though ZIPS doesn’t know it), as I’ve been on the Yelich-breakout train for some time. Here’s what I wrote over the winter about Yelich, leading off my yearly breakouts piece.
Yelich is already one of the most valuable commodities in baseball, a star center fielder with a team-friendly contract, and if the Marlins choose to trade him, they may get more for him than they did for Marcell Ozuna and Giancarlo Stanton combined.
So, what’s an established star doing here? The one thing Yelich hasn’t had is that crazy MVP-type season where everything goes right. He’s one of the few players in baseball who can legitimately be called a .340-.350 BABIP hitter, and while he doesn’t have the raw power of Aaron Judge, his average exit velocity was in the top 30 in baseball, just behind Jose Abreu and Bryce Harper. Yelich is also a solid contact hitter, and with his plate discipline and above-average contact rate, I think there’s the potential to improve that strikeout rate. I think that magical year in which he has a peak Will Clark/Joey Votto season while being a center fielder is in there somewhere.
Key breakout stat: 14 percent chance of an OPS+ over 140
I think I got more right there than I got wrong (Yelich hasn’t played any center field), and like most people, I like looking like I’m smart!
Next up: the Cy Youngs. Or, is it Cys Young?
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Eugenio Suarez will win MVP, just as Nostradamus foretold in 1555.
(eventually, if you make a joke enough, it becomes true?)
Not even a blurb for Freeman? He’s the highest on that list on a team with a realistic chance of making the playoffs. He’s playing like a mere mortal right now, but one more hot streak + an NL East title would make him hard to vote against.
Yeah, Freeman has a good shot.
Since when do the Rockies and Cardinals not have a realistic chance of making the playoffs? Both teams are right in the thick of the NL Wild Card race and even still have a chance at their divisions.
Honestly, I can’t believe that voters would overlook the fact that Arenado plays in Coors. Given the paucity of other worthy MVP candidates in the NL, I think he has a real shot anyway, but the Larry Walker Hall of Fame case stands as a cautionary tale.
Arenado’s case is only plausible to me because the AL is crushing the NL at the top of the position-player WAR leaderboards, and so Arenado doesn’t have much competition. The NL has the #6 and #9 players in WAR, and then you have to go down to #14. That’s two of the top 13 players in WAR, and none in the Top 5.
With that in mind, I think the voters should seriously consider Max Scherzer (or deGrom, but there’s no way they vote a Met MVP with this season). He leads the NL in wins, has a 2.28 ERA, and is striking out 12 batters per 9 innings. And, as a bonus, he actually has been more valuable than any NL position player, leading Carpenter in fWAR 5.1 to 4.9.
I think voters clearly have accounted for Coors in previous seasons, as he’s been overlooked in voting yearly.
This year, I don’t understand how anyone could vote for five pitchers before getting to him. He’s T-5th in the league in WAR (only trailing Matt Carpenter among position players), He’s 6th in wRC+ (which accounts for park factors) and 2nd in wOBA. The only hitter who’s having a better year by most any measure is Matt Carpenter, but Arenado is such a superior defensive player, and has been clearly overlooked in past years voting (and I think track record does play a small role here; Carpenter has never sniffed an MVP race).
He’s doing everything right. He’s raised his BA and BB %, and hasn’t sacrificed any power doing it. He’s among the league leaders in all traditional and sabermetric stats. And he plays elite defense.
Give the guy his due.
Carpenter was 4th in MVP voting in 2013 and 12th in 2015, I’d count that as a “sniff(ing) an MVP race”. Arenado has been 8th, 5th, 4th the last 3 years so obviously has been closer more recently; just saying Marp is not a stranger to great seasons.
DeGrom should be in the conversation for the Cy Young along with Scherzer given that none of the likely division winners has a clear cut contender.
MVPs don’t go to pitchers when there’s viable position player candidates on contenders.
The only thing that makes his case plausible is because the AL is better? What? He plays in the league he plays in, and relative to that league, he’s deserving. You could make the same argument, only more effectively, for all of his competition (except perhaps Matt Carpenter).
You then site the WAR leaders for the entire league and leave out that he is one of them (being #9, specifically).
Also, you shouldn’t site Max Scherzer leading the league in Wins to bolster his case and overlook the stat in arguing for deGrom. Doesn’t work that way.
I would like to direct you to the following passages of my comment:
“Given the paucity of other worthy MVP candidates in the NL, I think he has a real shot”
“The NL has the #6 and #9 players in WAR, and then you have to go down to #14. ”
“With that in mind, I think the voters should seriously consider Max Scherzer (or deGrom, but there’s no way they vote a Met MVP with this season).”
I think the bigger point I was making was that Arenado isn’t a terribly strong MVP candidate. He’s projected to end at about 6.6 fWAR, which would put him behind four AL position-player candidates *based only on what those candidates have done today*. It would make him 3rd in the NL for position-player candidates (tied with both Votto and Bryant) in 2017, 3rd in 2016, fifth in 2015, and third in 2014. The fact that he’s a really strong candidate this year has a lot to do with the fact that it’s a down year for the NL relative to the AL, at least at the very top.
I wasn’t clear about the “leading the league in wins”–that’s something that appeals to voters though. My real thought on this is the somewhat snide remark “And, as a bonus, he actually has been more valuable than any NL position player.”
“Arenado’s case is only plausible to me because the AL is crushing the NL at the top of the position-player WAR leaderboards”
This applies to the entire league, not just Arenado. The purpose of this article is to handicap the MVP race by league, so it’s not really relevant. Your point that it’s a relatively weaker field in the NL, however, is well taken and objectively correct.
My bigger point is that it’s unfortunate how overlooked Arenado has consistently been, and I think that’s largely a factor of where he plays. People discount his numbers entirely based on his home ballpark, which I don’t think is fair.
Among positional players, I think he’s most deserving. Now he may not be more deserving than some of the pitchers, but that doesn’t have anything to do with their Wins.
HOME: .360 / .437 / .680 / 1.117
ROAD: .259 / .347 / .500 / .847
The media narrative around JDM isn’t just about the triple crown stats. The Boston media has been especially crazy this year, giving JD a lions share of credit not only for his own great season but also for Betts’. As in “Betts is only having this season because JD is here”
It’s maddening
There are reports of Betts working on his hitting under Martinez’s tutelage, so there might be something to that beyond the old “protection” argument.
Like Miguel Cabrera before him.
There was a fantastic bit of beat reporting about when JD first arrived in the spring carrying his “bag of tricks” – a duffle bag full of training tools from his “alternative” school of hitting. He mentioned that most MLB players have always given him space and just let him do his thing, maybe asking an occasional question. But Mookie’s first intro to JD was to dig in the bag and play with every single toy in there, asking about each one.
I believe JDM has been a positive influence on the whole clubhouse, including Betts. I suspect he and JD get along really well and having a peer to talk shop with must be fun.
But JD Martinez isn’t the one putting up a Trout-level batting line, and when he does play the field it’s.. well it’s certainly entertaining in the “beer league softball on a windy day” sense.
I just hate that Betts doesn’t seem to get credit for his amazing year.
Outside of Boston fandom (not the bright ones) I don’t hear many folks giving J.D all the credit. J.D helped a HOF level talent get even better.
I think the story is cool and I’ve always really liked both players. They’re both guys you can root for even if you don’t follow the Red Sox.
Well everyone knows that great hitter cannot succeed without another great hitter batting behind him for “protection”. Mike Trout is who he is today because of the outstanding protection Albert Pujols and CJ Cron have provided over the years
BOS last year was a crap offense for power (26th SLG). Now they added JD and they’re great. (1st SLG). I mean, that has to be ENTIRELY J.D. Martinez, right? He is single-handedly responsible for Betts going from a 108 wRC+ to a 185, Benintendi from a 103 to a 142, Bogaerts from 96 to 125. There can be no doubt …. lol
While it is obviously not just Martinez, his influence may be playing a role in ways beyond the obvious. It is hard to look at the DH situation on the Red Sox and not see that the DH is much more important than most in baseball seem to recognize. It must be more than coincidence that the one season that the Sox didn’t fill the DH position with a truly great hitter that the offense collapsed. it is also not coincidence that the teams with quality dedicated DH’s are filling most of the playoff spots in the AL. Cruz, Encarnacion, K. Davis, Martinez and, to a large extent, Stanton(51 starts) are a big reason these teams have pulled away. Using washed up veterans or passing the DH role between regulars as a partial rest day is not efficient. The fact that WAR cannot do a reasonable job of evaluating the position doesn’t help. I will never understand how a player who doesn’t even play defense can be down-graded when he isn’t even on the field, while a far superior defender is filling the spot he would be playing if he was in the NL and forced to fake it. He is an extra hitter, period! A reasonable analogy is comparing Aaron Judge, a tremendous offensive player and an adequate defender with a combination of the offense of J.D. Martinez and the defense of Jackie Bradley, Jr. That is, in essence, what the Red Sox get to use, two players, both as good as it gets at their positions, for the price of Bradley’s below average offense, but they are not forced into an either or situation. As good as Judge is he is not Martinez on offense or even close to Bradley on defense. In addition, Martinez, a dedicated student of hitting, has become the face of rebuilding his swing using proven principles of physics and geometry to change his ball trajectory. He is a student of hitting and, quite possibly, has imparted some of the approach and technique changes that turned him from a player who was DFA into one of the best hitters in the game for a prolonged period. Maybe it isn’t all Martinez, we can all agree on that, but his influence on the Red Sox is 2018 is more than it even appears.
Your BoSox homerism doesn’t mean that WAR doesn’t capture DH value.
A DH can’t add runs defensively, and almost never adds run on the base-paths. Only the very best mashers at DH add more than 30 runs with the bat.
A DH can’t add runs defensively, but he can’t cost his team runs defensively, either. There should be a neutral positional adjustment for DH, especially when you consider that it makes no sense with WAR’s very definition if you were to replace your DH with a AAA call-up and then automatically give that replacement player a negative WAR disadvantage just as soon as he plays his first game.
Besides, WAR overrates defense and baserunning in general and relies on far from perfect metrics to assign defensive value in the first place.
Lanidrac, it sounds like you are an expert on constructing complex valuation metrics, but I’ll give my 2 cents. If there’s a neutral positional adjustment for DH, that would just mean there would have to be even more positive position adjustments for other positions. (The adjustments are purely relative.) The point is that the AAA call-up who can hit well enough to DH and also plays a position in the field will get credit in his WAR if he plays that position…however, if he does not play that position, by DHing, then he is simply not adding that value. We certainly can’t give him credit (in the form of a non-negative position adjustment relative to other positions) for a skill he is not using. Hitting plus playing neutral defense at a position is simply worth more than hitting and not playing defense.
If your AAA call-up doesn’t want to get a negative WAR as soon as he plays his first game, then he should hit. Because otherwise he actually has not produced any value for his team.
I am really good at geometry – in fact in 10th grade I recall that I got the equivalent of 125% correct on a test (after the curve). Surely that must be worth at least one MVP vote (not a first place one probably, but somewhere down lower on the ballot) in your world?
It would never occur to me that Martinez is considered more valuable than Betts. These writers have quite the imagination.
Betts does credit J.D for advising him to be a lot more aggressive in the zone… he’s swinging harder and more often at good pitches.
This and Betts hasn’t had horrible luck in 2018.
I’m surprised Javy is only 5th, but at the same time he’s a bit of an unconventional candidate from both the mainstream and the stathead perspective. He’d have to get a pretty big narrative push (which has begun in Chicago at least), but if he can finish around .300, have a 30/30 season, lead the league in RBIs and win the gold glove (at least in public opinion) – all of which are completely possible – while having a few more signature moments, he can win it.
Yes I’d be perplexed if Arenado won if all that happened, barring Arenado hitting like .500 and carrying his team on his bloody shoulders to the postseason or something.
FWIW:
The press, sports or otherwise, values “narrative” over all.
So I’m thinking that in the NL the voters will, stats be darned, focus on Captain Marvel, Jr and Javy Baez first and foremost. Could be a tie but I’m thinking Freddie Freeman has the edge because the Cubs were expected to win and the Baby Braves weren’t.
Of course, if Soto leads the Nationals to a comeback all bets are off.
In the AL, barring a Yankee comeback, the narratives are Martinez, Betts, and Ramirez. With Boston boosters splitting their votes between J.D. and Mookie, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jose sneak in.
Now, if Oakland can manage to win the division (5 games in 8 weeks is doable, super team or not) Chapman would get his own underdog narrative.
…and Carpenter’s amazing turnaround isn’t an MVP-worthy narrative?
Thanks for the laugh. Javier Baez has better stats than everyone ahead of him on your chart, except Aranado. Now put all of Baez stats next to Aranado and you will see almost identical offensive numbers. Baez has also has a huge lead on Aranado in SB’s. Add to that, Baez has batted 5-9, 58 games this year. I wonder how many more AB and running stats he would have had if he batted 3 rd or 4th from the start of the season. Fielding wise, Baez has had 460 chances compared to Aranado’s 314 . Ya, Aranado is a much better fielder, but the numbers don’t lie, Baez helps out more defensively because of his HUGE amount of chances and ultimate range at the positions he plays. That’s a huge difference. You can also add that the CHC are leading the league in win’s and Baez is the #1 reason behind that.
The most important thing in baseball is avoiding outs. Baez has a 330 OBP, in part because of a negative 10% walk rate (jk). Arenado is at 390. Those numbers are nowhere near identical.
rhdx, you are 100% correct on that 1 category. I wonder if you even looked at ALL the stats between the 2 players. By your comments of those stats are nowhere near identical, shows me you haven’t.
It’s the most important category.
Actually, OBP is becoming overrated. Sure, it’s better than batting average when looking at just a single stat, but a single is still better than a walk a large portion of the time, not to mention extra-base hits. If two guys post similar OBP and SLG stats, you’re still going to prefer the guy who puts up a significantly higher batting average, meaning he walks less but hits more singles.
Anyway, purely offensively speaking, the most important categories are clearly wRC+ and wOBA.
Sure wRC+ and wOBA are better than OBP, because they’re more complex, nuanced calculations that consider other factors in addition to OBP. But as a (relatively) easy-to-calculate, single-factor metric, OBP is still the most important stat for offensive effectiveness.
You should also reconsider the second part, because the result when you choose .310/.350/.450 over .250/.350/.450 isn’t just getting more singles instead of walks. You’re also getting far fewer XBH (ISO of .140 vs. .200), and the delta between the value generated by those extra base hits over singles is greater than what you lose between the singles and walks.
Actually, the most important thing in baseball is winning.
Khris Davis having a better chance at the MVP than Matt Chapman makes me sad
It’s never entered my mind that Davis was more valuable than Chapman. I don’t know anyone who thinks that he is. Slusser will hopefully disabuse her colleagues of any possible misconceptions when the time comes.
BABIP will determine Betts candidacy. He seems to be fading slightly.
Betts has 0.6 WAR over the last week.
Exactly, he’s slowing down.
Yeah, bad timing award there southie (Mookie was 4/4 last night)…
I’m going to go with the Cy Youngs. Cys Young sounds like a They Might be Giants cover band.
I’m a little surprised that Baez isn’t rated higher here. He has a bunch of pretty stats voters should like, right? Plus he’s on a division winner and does play good defense. I would vote Freeman of these guys, though obviously Mad Max is the deserving one.
Bad OBP and defense that is suspect according to the advanced stats.
“Matt Carpenter has hit an absolutely ludicrous .331/.436/.726 since, with 26 home runs in 66 games”
Carpenter has been so hot that over that 66 game stretch, he’s OPS’ing within 300 points of Bonds’s 2004 season!
So, Barry Bonds 2004 for 2018 MVP?
Yeah. It’s just crazy that just about every time you hear about how ridiculously hot someone over the past 6 or 10 or 20 games or whatever, you look and Barry Bonds was usually better over a 4 YEAR period.
Sure, when you’re talking about a PED abuser who scared most of his opposing managers into intentially walking him a lot more often than they really needed to do so.
“Scherzer is the most valuable player in the National League in 2018 so far, and I’d happily vote for him if the season ended today. Just on merit, he ought to be a near slam dunk…” So, Scherzer is at 5.1 fWAR as a pitcher, plus 0.8 fWAR as a batter, for a total of 5.9 fWAR. DeGrom is at 5.8 fWAR as a pitcher, plus 0.1 fWAR as a batter, for a total of the same 5.9 fWAR. What am I missing here that makes Scherzer more valuable or the slam dunk? Although the Mets are garbage, Scherzer’s team is clearly the bigger disappointment and will also miss the playoffs, so it’s not like he should get some “winning team” bump.
The difference is ZIPS projections – it projects both Scherzer and DeGrom for 1.7 fWAR as pitchers going forward, and it doesn’t have any projections for hitting, so the batting difference puts Max over the top, according to the computer.
Thanks, Brian. I fully understand, but remain puzzled on a more conceptual level. DeGrom’s FIP and xFIP are superior to Scherzer’s by a reasonable amount, so it’s not as though he is badly outperforming his peripherals and is due for regression, while Scherzer is not. Moreover, DeGrom’s ERA is currently below a 2.00, and has been for quite some time, and he may end the season there. ERA is ERA, but if we are talking about voters ogling over traditional stats like RBI and BA, I don’t see how an eye-popping ERA doesn’t similarly carry a lot of weight (or at least enough weight to merit a mention in this piece in the same breath as Scherzer). I guess I’m holding to my original point that I don’t see the rationale for Scherzer as the “near slam dunk” choice, ZiPS ROS projections notwithstanding.
I’ve been saying this for a couple months, if we were back 20 years (maybe even 10 years) or so ago Javy Baez would have been the runaway MVP favorite for the NL. Consider his full season pace: 298/331/585 36 HRs 125 RBIs 44 2Bs 10 3Bs 27 SBs. Then combine that with his flashy highlight reel defense and the Cubs having the best record in the NL. That’s the classic MVP of yesteryear. Thankfully WAR has helped us understand someone like Baez is one of the best players in the NL this season but not the clear cut best.
But no one in the NL is the clear cut best. And Javy is in the argument for that best player. If it finishes as close as it is now, the narrative/flashiness might be what puts him over the top.
Yes that’s my point. In eras past he’d just be given the MVP and we’d say he’s the best. Now WAR and other stats lets us properly weigh Arenado’s numbers even factoring in Coors, Scherzer’s value as a pitcher vs all the batters, and Matt Carpenters sudden transformation into a left handed Mike Trout. So we can see all these guys with vastly different skill sets are of nearly equivalent value instead of just picking the guy on the winning team with good counting stats.
True.
But we’re not the MVP voters and there’s still a bunch of old school “legacy” voters on the rolls. To them newfangled WAR is voodoo.
I’ll pass on war thank you very much. I’d rather go with the damn eye test.
That’s only if the season ended now, though. Once it is over, you very well could see Matt Carpenter with even flashier numbers after having lead the Cardinals to a playoff spot. Ditto for Arenado and the Rockies.
Soto probably won’t keep up his 161 WRC+, but if he does, and remains better than Harper, you can’t like Harper’s chances for MVP. Soto needs to average 5.57 PAs over the remaining 47 games to qualify. There’s always next year…
Is there some account of where these numbers come from, somewhere? I don’t get how Zips works and this whole article seems to treat it as a black box.
Without deGrom, it is really easy to make an argument that Scherzer is the most deserving of them all.
However, Scherzer and deGrom are tied based on FIP based war and Scherzer has the tiniest of edge by RA9-war.
And that edge essentially comes from Scherzer’s hitting which leads to the conclusion that Scherzer deserves the MVP but deGrom deserves the Cy Young.
At this point, people think it is weird to vote for Scherzer when he is not even the best pitcher and throw their hands up and vote for a position player.
Which is kind of stupid, but somewhat understandable.
Are CYA voters not supposed to consider contribution other than pitching? What about grit?
No true DH has won an MVP yet, and J.D. Martinez won’t be the first, unless Ramirez, Betts and Lindor fall off badly.
(Obvious exception if Martinez wins the Triple Crown, lol.)
just think the voters will look at the huge home/road splits for Arenado and be like no. 164 home/122 away. That’s worse than what he had last year- 133/126.
Martinez is having an incredible year, but there’s no way a DH should win the MVP when he isn’t even the best hitter on his own team. I doubt he’ll get more than one or two first-place votes.
MVP is not an award where you can simply look at the numbers. Numbers don’t tell the whole story. It has gotten to the point where the MVP award has lost a lot of value.
Of course anything can happen, but as of now I would say it has to be a two-man race in the AL between Ramirez and Betts. The voters are just smart enough now to consider both defense and OBP, eliminating Martinez. And when there are viable candidates from playoff teams, players from teams that sit home in October don’t have much of a chance, eliminating Trout. If the season ended today, my money would be on Betts.
In the NL, Arenado should be a reasonable choice if the Rockies make the playoffs. If not, Baez seems like the frontrunner (mainly due to his flashiness) but Freeman/Cain/Yelich are within striking distance. Similar to AL, the NL has multiple players bunched together (in terms of WAR) at the top, with some from playoff teams and some not – so it’s easy to eliminate those whose teams don’t make the playoffs.
Note – this isn’t necessarily my opinion, but how I think the voters will see things.
And that analysis seems to be the way it Should go. If it does happen like that, all is good.
Fair enough, but you can say the same thing about Carpenter if the Cardinals make the playoffs (currently just a game out in the Wild Card race), and the way he’s going, he’ll likely finish the season with the home run crown and overall significantly better counting stats than either Arenado or Baez to the point that it overshadows his defensive disadvantage.
Jacob Degrom is leading the NL in WAR. Jacob degrom is leading the NL in WAR. He should be the favorite.