Hard-Throwing Reliever Gregory Soto Is Headed to Philly

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The Philadelphia Phillies were busy last week. They added high-profile veteran flamethrower Craig Kimbrel to the bullpen while DFA’ing former high-dollar international signee Francisco Morales to make room for him, then capped things off with a five-player trade with the Detroit Tigers headlined by two-time All Star reliever Gregory Soto. The deal involves several moving parts, both in the trade itself and in terms of what it means for the Tigers’ and Phillies’ roster and lineup construction in the upcoming season. The entire trade is:

Philadelphia receives:
RP Gregory Soto and 2B Kody Clemens

Detroit receives:
OF/1B Matt Vierling, MIF Nick Maton, C Donny Sands

The Phillies now have the majors’ two hardest-throwing left-handed pitchers in Soto and José Alvarado, and three of the top 40 regardless of handedness when you include Seranthony Domínguez. Alvarado and Domínguez handled high-leverage duty for the Phillies during the 2022 playoffs, with experienced veteran David Robertson playing the “closer” role in the event that both had already thrown, or if either was unavailable. Now Kimbrel and Soto, both with closer experience, appear poised to fall into high-octane versions of that role, and that extends to Soto’s assumed role as the second lefty in Philly’s bullpen, a part occupied last year by Brad Hand.

Adding Kimbrel and Soto makes Philadelphia’s bullpen more volatile while mitigating risk at the same time. All of Alvarado, Soto, and Kimbrel go through phases where they can’t find the plate at all, and Domínguez has had a myriad of injuries. This contingent is as unstable as it is talented, but having four of them around helps ensure that a couple of them will likely be healthy and reliable enough at any given time for Rob Thomson to pick up the phone with confidence. Soto is arguably the most frustrating and least battle-tested among them, an All-Star each of the last two seasons, at least in part, because Detroit hasn’t had superior alternatives. He’s walked at least five hitters per nine in each of his big league seasons, which was in the bottom 10 of qualified relievers in 2022 and is bottom 10 among qualified relievers since Soto debuted back in 2019. This has long been part of Soto’s scouting report, and it was such a problem when he was a prospect that I projected him as more of an up/down reliever than a late-inning stalwart, which underrated his stuff’s quality but speaks to the ongoing severity of his control issues.

Soto’s stuff is indeed fantastic. Even though his upper-90s fastball has never missed bats at the rate you’d expect it to, it showed some developmental progress in 2022, leaning into some of Soto’s natural mechanical strengths. He has an incredibly powerful lower half, and his huge stride down the mound combined with his low-ish slot creates a shallow, almost uphill approach angle on his fastball. As if to better equip Soto’s fastball to miss bats at the letters, he started to incorporate more four-seam fastballs into what had been sinker-heavy approach. There’s still a distinctly shaped sinker in there, it’s just evenly mixed with a truer fastball. Perhaps a second season with this approach will yield more consistent results. The Phillies will have to pay for his accrued saves in arbitration and control Soto’s rights for another three seasons.

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The rest of this trade is about fit and opportunity. With Trea Turner coming aboard in free agency and Bryson Stott and Edmundo Sosa already in place as a left/right pairing at second base, middle infielder Nick Maton (who has just one option year left) was squeezed out of a role. He’s spent the last two seasons shuttling back and forth between Triple-A Lehigh Valley and the big club, and in 2022 he finally began to produce power in games. He doesn’t have big raw pop, but Maton’s approach and the lift in his swing allow him to get to the power he does have in games. The quality of his contact is very good when he makes it and will give him the ability to hit dozens of doubles if he ever has a full season’s worth of plate appearances. He isn’t quite the defender that Sosa is, and he doesn’t have the same well-rounded offensive ceiling as Stott, but Maton’s ability to play all over the infield (including a viable shortstop) and hit a ton of doubles should make him a useful utility man in Detroit, where he becomes the second or third best infield defender on the 40-man depending on how you feel about Zack Short.

Maton is a slightly different flavor of Kody Clemens, who is also a power-over-hit infielder, though the contrast is sharper with Clemens than it is for Maton, and Clemens is a worse defender, probably more a 1B/2B than a true utility infielder. Clemens could be a potent, lefty-hitting bench weapon for the Phillies. He’s not as powerful and dangerous as Darick Hall, but he provides some amount of defensive flexibility whereas Hall does not.

The Phillies went out of their way to trade for catcher Donny Sands (and Nick Nelson) in a four-player deal with the Yankees last offseason. He was part of a four-man catching contingent on the Phillies 40-man in 2022, a group that included Garrett Stubbs (who would win the backup job and hold it all year) and young Rafael Marchan. (Of course, J.T. Realmuto played in 140 games last season and the Phillies barely needed anyone else.) Now, after dealing with a few injuries in 2022, Sands is back on the move and part of a crowded field of new applicants in Detroit. To incumbents Eric Haase and Jake Rogers, the Tigers have added Sands, Mario Feliciano (a prominent former high school draftee of the Brewers) and NRI Andrew Knapp (another former Phillie), while prospect Dillon Dingler has now played a full season at Double-A. Sands, now 26, was drafted out of an Arizona high school in 2015 and finally made his big league debut in 2022. He catches from a very high crouch, which impacts how well he receives and frames low pitches, but he has an average arm and does enough to be considered a viable defensive catcher. Sands has been dinged up a lot and has only caught more than 50 games in a single season once, and because he’s deep into his 20s, you have to take his offensive performance with a grain of salt, but he has the offensive skill set of a quality backup catcher.

Perhaps most significantly, the final piece coming back to Detroit is Matt Vierling, who has seen time at both corner infield spots and all three outfield positions, most competently playing center field as the short end of a platoon with Brandon Marsh at the end of 2022. The Phillies may have sold low on Vierling, whose .327 xwOBA was about 40 points above his actual wOBA. He damages lefty pitching and is especially adept at barreling down-and-in offerings, which could make him an interesting matchup for a subset of righty pitchers whose stuff finishes down there. He’ll pair nicely with Akil Baddoo or both Meadows boys (Austin and Parker) while also providing some defensive versatility, though you don’t want Vierling playing the infield if you can help it.

This group of role players helps put some better secondary pieces in place for the Tigers, who still need their lauded young prospects to become stars amid these role-playing planets if the team is actually going to climb the AL Central standings in 2023.





Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.

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Cave Dameron
3 years ago

Thank you Eric, very cool!

Manute Bol sings better than this
3 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Lol.

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago

Eric’s got a lot on his plate. Can we not add to it with articles like these? You guys have other writers for this purpose. Maybe if you didn’t assign the grunt work to Eric he’d finish his prospect reports before June.

theflusher
3 years ago
Reply to  BKhipsterball

100% agree

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  BKhipsterball

We got a non-member account complaining about how resources are allocated over here

theflusher
3 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

Crazy thought here – It’s possible there’d be more members if >5 lists were posted by FYPD draft time, idk.

It’s almost like people care a lot more about the prospect lists than 35867998 words on Johnny peralta’s HOF case. Weird

Last edited 3 years ago by theflusher
Chip LockeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  theflusher

Based on the fact that this trade happened Saturday and Longenhagen had it up by Monday morning, I really don’t think this is hampering his ability to accomplish his prospect work. Also, since there are a few recently graduated players here, Eric’s insight was maybe more valuable than another writer’s.

Furthermore, it’s possible Eric wants to write more on these trades than he does, or maybe he needs a break from the lists and wanted a quick reprieve.

Regardless, one way for you to affect how quickly lists get out is to give money for their work so that they can afford to hire a replacement for Kiley/Kevin.

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Chip Locke

I support them. I’ve bought merch from them. What’s your point?

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Chip Locke

Seems you wanna just speculate and baselessly attack without actually making a point.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  BKhipsterball

I think getting a membership goes a longer way than getting a mug. And says more about what you’d like as a consumer. They don’t have the staff right now.

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Chip LockeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  BKhipsterball

My point was that this article maybe suited Eric better than other writers and clearly did not take him that long to create, implying that it is not affecting his other work too much. My speculation that he possibly wanted to write this article is definitely just speculation, but I’m not sure why that matters.

I don’t feel like I attacked you or anyone else, and I’m sorry that you feel that way, though I do think that your frustrations being taken out on this article are misguided. The lists were faster when there were two lead prospect analysts and to my knowledge they just have one right now (I think Tess is just a contributor). The depth of Eric’s work also makes these things take longer, and the couple hours spent on this article almost certainly didn’t hamper his process.

I’m also speculating here, but the rhetoric in these comment sections and Eric’s chats is not something that I think many people find motivating. It’s not very constructive and reads more like adolescent complaints than people taking into account the entire context of the situation.

I would also like to have prospect lists more quickly, but I much prefer the amount of depth he brings and the ancillary posts than to have everything by late January.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  theflusher

You’re being unnecessarily abrasive, but it’s hard to disagree with your point. One has to question if these massive Andre Eithier/Johnny Peralta articles are the best use of everyone’s time

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

Tbf there are people who subscribe but don’t log in…Probably not the case but possible

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Not a member, but I’ve bought merch a couple times. Not sure why people make a big deal out of it. Thanks for giving me the benefit ofnthe doubt regardless.

DLHughey
3 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

Shouldn’t the site take the criticisms of non-members seriously? The only way to “convert” them to paying members would be to make the value prop worth it, which in this person’s case, means a better pacing with the lists.

I know Eric and co. put an absolutely massive amount of work into them, but as 1) a Mets fan 2) someone who uses leaguewide info for my own fantasy league, the fact that the info in some lists was pretty out of date by the time the lists were published is a real problem that has me reconsidering my membership. The Mets list wasn’t published until July 11th last year, that was kind of ridiculous.

Based on the even slower rate of publication this year, and seemingly no visible change to the process (e.g., adding more writers, making the posts shorter, something to indicate a change), we’re likely going to be going into August before it’s all done this year. And the system overview is still at the very end of each post, which has never made sense.

tomerafan
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

One would think the site would, but I’m not sure that’s the case. I’m a lapsed member who will be glad to rejoin if the site shows that it’s actually listening to its customers. They don’t have to; it’s their choice. Just like it’s my choice whether or not to subscribe. As a customer, it’s the only meaningful voice that I have.

Failing to address the timing of the prospect lists is strong indicia that they’re either not listening, or unable to act. Eric’s work is AMAZING… but for those of us who are active fantasy players, the work is only valuable pre-draft. I also go to spring training every year, and visit multiple sites. Prospect lists used to give me some insight into who to look for one the backfields… I no longer have that resource timely.

I don’t put this on Eric… but it doesn’t seem that Fangraphs is listening to its customers about the relative value of the content.

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

What does membership have anything to do with it?

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

Just tryna support Eric so he can do what he does best.

BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

So because my support has come in the form of merch rather than membership my suggestion carries less wait? Go be a prick elsewhere.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  BKhipsterball

I think there were better ways of expressing this sentiment. It is entirely possible that this won’t slow down his other work; it’s hard to say.

But in the case that this does add to his workload. Which seems like a reasonable assumption… I would also suggest that maybe giving Eric more work to do is suboptimal. I have said this before but I want Eric to have the time and resources to do prospect analysis right and on time because he’s phenomenal at it and the rest of the stuff like this is not as important.

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BKhipsterballMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I feel I was fairly cordial. How would you have expressed it differently?

bigchizz
3 years ago

I really don’t get this trade for the Phillies. I understand the players they traded are all superfluous to their roster, but was Soto really the best reliever they could get for that package? Seems like they overpaid for his “All Star” and “closer” status which is a crazy thing to do in the Year of Our Lord Twenty Twenty Three.

Soto will be going from the weakest division in MLB to one of the strongest and to a much more difficult park to pitch in. His arbitration salary will also be higher than comparable pitchers due to his save totals. Even if the Phillies think they can fix his control issues, it’s not like he’s a super high strikeout pitcher.

mrsphanaticMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  bigchizz

Look at what they did to Alvarado last year. I think they’re banking that they can do the same with him.

Also, who would they get for this package? Name one player.

theflusher
3 years ago
Reply to  bigchizz

It’s Dave Dombrowski. You really surprised?

WerthlessMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  bigchizz

None of these 3 guys are ranked prospects. Soto has his warts, but I’m sure that Tigers fans thought they could get at least one top 100 prospect by trading him.

I’ve gone back and forth on my evaluation of the trade, since I think these types of depth guys are more valuable to a contender than a rebuilding team. But I think it’s a fair trade overall.

bigchizz
3 years ago
Reply to  Werthless

I don’t think anyone was gonna give up a top 100 prospect for a reliever with a career 9.9 K-BB%

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
3 years ago

It’s funny having international signings being referred to as high-dollar signings, sometimes.

Broken BatMember since 2020
3 years ago

Eric, just a terrific article… again. Love the detail. IYO does the trade also indicate the Phillies like what Marsh gives them as a 500+ at bat CF? Is the CF position his or do see another platoon situation?

SenorGato
3 years ago

I like this trade even more for the Phillies with the reminder Marchan is on hand too. They’ve pretty easily got the best catching setup in the league still, added some LHH power to the bench in Clemens, continued to stack velo in the pen, deepened a pen coming off a deep run by the SP staff…Really impressed at how Dombrowski’s reshaped a WS roster to be deeper and more balanced

Hopefully they do something really really cool and let Painter open with the ML club

David Klein
3 years ago

I could see Maton getting a chance to start at third base if the Tigers don’t bring in someone like Brian Anderson or trading for Escobar if Correa ever signs with the Mets.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Initial reaction was that the return was light for Soto. When I dug in, realized my perception of Soto was too high, probably because of his big velocity, all star appearance and Closer status. His actual production is pretty uninspiring.

Vierling looks most interesting of the three going back to me. Decent batted ball data and plate discipline numbers. Good 4th outfielder or platoon guy and doesn’t take much to imagine him being a respectable regular. Like it just fine for the tigers.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I think I get this for the Tigers. Soto is a walking time bomb, so if you’re rebuilding, you flip him for literally whatever you can get.

For the Phillies, I think they’re going to regret this. Soto could be the “best” player in this deal but if so it is only by a hair and giving up that depth could really come back to bite them. Kody Clemens is close to a non-prospect and is at best a lateral move from Maton, and Dalton Gurthrie makes a lot more sense as the guy behind Vierling than the new Vierling.

And I think Sands is probably the second best player in this deal behind Soto, too.

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SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Clemens came up and posted 89 MPH EVs in 86 events. Maton put up 86 MPH EVs. Who cares if Clemens a prospect or not? They want offensive utility having revamped the defense and found some cheap LHH power for the bench

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Lol RIP internet

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Clemens is a bat first player who can’t hit. He’s org depth. Maton is a better hitter (not saying a lot but he’s close to league average) and can at least play defense. Being left handed doesn’t help if you can’t hit.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Maton’s a tweener who doesn’t have enough defense to lock down a MIF job and enough power to lock down 3B. He’s a more balanced player than Clemens but both are bench players on a championship caliber Phillies roster. Clemens is a LHH power hitter who came up and demonstrated LHH power (5 HRs in 127 PAs, 89 MPH EVs, 12% HR/FB) at the ML level in a variety of ways. Maton’s power never showed up in games until last year’s callup and came with below league average EVs (both avg and max). On top of that he’s got a 34% chase rate, 17% swstr%, and 32% CSW to suggest more Ks are very possible….Who truly has more appeal on a championship club with a revamped MIF defense looking for a LHH bench option at 1B, 3B, and probably the COF?

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you’re not immediately contending, a marketable closer is a luxury.
(“We lost with him, we can lose without him.”)
Most relievers are too erratic year to year and Soto doesn’t look to be one of the few who are long term stable.

So, good for Detroit to get a couple lottery tickets.
Meanwhile, Philly moved some spare parts they won’t miss.
Both have something to dream on.

Keep Baseball BoringMember since 2016
3 years ago

Just want to add my voice to the chorus saying thanks for all the great work EL! As much as I look forward to the prospect lists, I thoroughly enjoy your insight into trades and signings too. Please keep it up!

schluboftheyearMember since 2020
3 years ago

Great work, Eric!

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
3 years ago

Its a good thing Philly fans are used to riding the rollercoaster in the late innings past few years because Soto is mostly a rollercoaster ride unless he ever gets his walk rate down. Soto has shown flashes but last three years were pretty similar, I think this is what he is. Maybe he’ll do better if he’s used mostly versus LHH. I think its a decent deal for Detroit if either Maton or Vierling can give them 2 WAR / 600PA type performance. That’s an upgrade pretty near anywhere on the field for Tigers, and will get you everyday at bats.

SenorGato
3 years ago

Big fan to the Giants’ response to this by getting Erik Miller. The Phillies continue to stack velo in the bullpen with this Yunior Marte guy

bigchizz
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Marte was a horror show to watch last year, but hopefully he turns it around

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  bigchizz

Something often lost in transactions is teams aren’t buying yesteryear’s results in trades or the FA market. The Phillies are probably most interested in Marte’s relative health and demonstrated upper 90s velo with a slider that drew whiffs, pop ups, and GBs against MLers

Murph3Member since 2025
3 years ago

We all get jazzed up about trades of hyped prospects. But this is the sort of unexciting trade that teams like the Tigers need. Got a lot of holes? Trade for three guys who are little youngish and a little prospecty. Worst case, they can fill three of the holes cheaply until you figure something out. Best case, at least one of them will turn out to be an average starter or better for a while.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago

It’s interesting to see the Tigers going after mid twenties, fringy depth pieces given where they’re at. It’s equally interesting to see the Phillies trading away mid twenties, fringy depth pieces given where they’re at.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 years ago

This trade is probably the one with the biggest variance between how it’s vewed by analytic’s folks & the casual fan.

Analytic folks seem to favor Detroit, as Soto hasn’t been that good & is starting to get expensive.

Causal fans hear “All Star Closer” for utlility players & think Detroit got fleeced..trust me, I heard from a handful of friends this weekend…despite the fact he was only an All Star because Detroit had so few good players that he was the only logical choice & he was a sub-par closer that a 65 win team doesn’t need.

Gut says Detroit does OK here. I don’t think it’s going to end up as some huge rip off or change the face of the franchise, but, my hunch is one of these guys puts up a couple 2-3 WAR seasons & Soto continues to struggle to find the plate.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

This trade is probably the one with the biggest variance between how it’s vewed by analytic’s folks & the casual fan.

How much variance can there be if it’s winner/loser, analytical/casual, AS/not AS?

miltonfriedman
3 years ago

Damn. 90 Wins here come the Tigers