How Much Hope Is Appropriate for Felix Hernandez?

Felix Hernandez looks like a new man. He’s created a new self because he wants to more closely resemble his old self, the self that ranked consistently among the best pitchers in baseball. There are many different ways to tell the story of his decline, but I could note that he was most recently a one-win pitcher, where he used to be a six-win pitcher. The season before last, he was a three-win pitcher. That’s one way to put it all simply. Here’s another:

You don’t have to know anything about baseball to spot those directional changes, and you don’t have to know much about baseball to know those directional changes are bad. This is an easy thing to discuss: Over the past couple years, Felix has lost his command, and he’s become more hittable. Now that he’s almost 31 years old, we could say, well, yeah, this is how players decline, and his age is pretty decline-y. Felix, though, has worked to reverse all this. As with Noah Syndergaard, you could say Felix is presently in the best shape of his life. The whole point is to be hopeful.

Whenever a player says he’s in his best shape, what he’s suggesting is that better days are ahead. And it feels like it’s intuitive — of course you’d expect players to perform better if they’ve gotten more fit. In reality, no one’s ever found much of anything showing a link between better spring shape and subsequent performance, but every case is different. As Russell Carleton once wrote, for every player, N = 1. Each case should be evaluated on its own merits.

Here’s what we can say against Felix: He is in his 30s now, and pitchers in their 30s tend to be worse than they were in their 20s. If we were talking about a whole group of players, we wouldn’t be looking for a performance bounce-back. This hinges on Felix’s individuality, and he’s been losing stuff for as long as PITCHf/x has been tracking it.

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There’s also the related matter of his mechanics. Felix’s delivery isn’t as consistent as it was, and while video breakdowns are always challenging, perhaps we can see something in the release-point information. The last two years, Felix’s changeup has separated from his fastballs, and that might well be a symptom of something being wrong.

One can’t ignore that Felix, over his big-league career, has eclipsed 2,400 innings. Like any veteran pitcher, his body’s got some wear and tear, and when the Mariners signed him to an extension in 2013, they included a clause that would partially protect the organization in the event of Felix needing major elbow surgery. That clause isn’t unique, but it also isn’t common, and it suggests there could be an issue in there. You can’t predict when things could fall apart.

So Felix has gotten older, and he’s gradually lost his velocity and his mechanics. As arguments go, that would be fairly convincing. The default assumption is generally that older players don’t improve. Now here’s where it gets particular. When last season ended, the Mariners publicly challenged Felix to work harder, both during the year and before it. They wanted him to be better prepared, physically and mentally. When Felix was younger, everything came so naturally, so his lack of preparation was almost thought of as a plus. It was a sign of his brilliance that he didn’t need to study or throw between-start bullpens. You could say it’s all caught up to him. So Felix spent the winter adding bulk.

The focus was mostly on his lower body. Felix sustained a calf injury last season, and the plan was also to stabilize his ankle. In Felix’s own words, his weight is up to 224, as opposed to last year’s 207. Now, a paragraph from his trainer:

“I look for flaws in a person’s kinetic chain,” he said. “Let’s say if you stand on one leg and you are unstable from the ankle, the body instantly will start shutting off power in increments as it communicates to the arm. The goal was to remove the instability from his ankle. We are trying to get his velocity back to 93-94, that’s the goal. So allowing us to remove the flaws from his kinetic chain will do that. He had that calf issue and that did not help his power either.”

It sounds persuasive enough, although of course it does. I don’t know enough to know if it’s nonsense, but obviously a stronger lower body would help a pitcher generate more force. It could help a pitcher keep his delivery tighter and more consistent. The specifically-cited goal in there is to boost Felix’s fastball, which slipped last year to 90.5 miles per hour. The last time it was as high as 93 was 2011, although as recently as 2014 it was 92.4. I perused the last decade of pitcher-seasons, looking at starters who threw at least 100 innings in consecutive years. There are 18 examples of pitchers adding at least one mile per hour in their 30s. Brandon McCarthy is the only pitcher who added at least two.

It seems unlikely that Felix could add two and a half or three ticks. It doesn’t seem unlikely that he could add something, and in 2013, when his fastball averaged 91.9, he earned a few Cy Young votes. Felix has succeeded before in the lower 90s. He just needs that better stability. It’s impossible for us to know if he’ll find it, but it’s not impossible to think that he could.

One could choose to be greatly encouraged by the career track of Justin Verlander.

Verlander is living evidence that apparent declines can be reversible, even in the 30s. His circumstances were different — every pitcher’s circumstances are different — but 2014 Verlander posted his lowest strikeout rate since he was a rookie. In 2016, Verlander’s strikeout rate reached a new career high. His average fastball has rebounded by more than a tick, and a lot of people think Verlander was just the American League’s best starting pitcher. He’s back, is the point, and if one career can look like that, why couldn’t another?

And so we’re left to wonder, for at least another month and a half. History tells us that Felix Hernandez is probably finished as a top-of-the-rotation starter. There are simply too many trends working against him. The details of this individual case, however, are more promising, given that Felix hadn’t had to work this hard before. The most recent version of him as a pitcher wasn’t unrecognizable; there’s still a quality starter in there somewhere. If you’re looking for reasons to care about spring training, monitor Felix, when we get any data. Look for velocity readings in camp, and look for velocity readings in the WBC. They won’t share just what Felix has turned into, but they’ll be something to measure your hopefulness against.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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CouvCPA
9 years ago

I certainly hope The King regains his throne but if this article solidifies anything for me, it’s that Kate Upton truly is the cure to all that ails.

rounders
9 years ago
Reply to  CouvCPA

Porcello offered to do a trophy trade with Verlander, but no word yet.

jrubyMember since 2026
9 years ago

It will be really interesting to see how his career plays out from this point forward. This is about as dramatic of a crossroads as I’ve seen for an MLB player’s career trajectory: He could either:

1) make one of those “old pitcher adjustments,” becoming more and more crafty as he gets into his 30s, snag another 15 or 20 WAR, and retire with 240-250 wins and about 70 WAR for his career (prompting no small amount of hand-wringing in 2030 or so about the ridiculous HOF standards for pitchers), or

2) he could keep going in the wrong direction, absolutely fall off the table, post his first losing season since 2008 and his first 4.00+ ERA season since 2006 (last year, his ERA was 3.82 but his FIP was 4.63), and just never be an intimidating starter again.

Or anywhere in between, I guess, but that’s not as exciting. I really hope he bounces back and continues to pitch well, because a good King Felix is good for baseball and a reasonably good Seattle Mariners squad is good for Jeff’s mental health. Given that he seems really dedicated – and has shown supreme talent over the past decade or so – I’m not willing to bet against him just yet.

JoserMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  jruby

Well, Jamie Moyer is still floating around (the Moyer Foundation is active in Seattle). Of course he’s a completely different kind of pitcher, but if any “old pitcher” skills are transferrable, you’d think he’d be the best possible source. The Mariners seemed to have tapped a little bit of lightning in a bottle by bring back Moyer’s analog at the plate, Edgar, as a hitting coach. So who knows.

But I’m trepidatious. I’ve long wanted to see a Supreme Court at Safeco for a playoff game, but that window may have closed: the Mariners are still Felix’s team, but I fear he’s no better than the fourth best pitcher in their rotation at this point.

rockbardMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Joser

I would argue Julio Franco is Moyer’s analogue at the plate.

goyo70
9 years ago
Reply to  rockbard

Or Floyd Maywether. Never let them hit you hard.

AaronC
9 years ago

Two years ago (at the beginning of the decline), the story was that Felix was losing weight.


“It’s just the workouts I do in the offseason,” he said. “They make me feel good and help keep my arm in shape.”

The lighter weight isn’t a bad thing.

“I just want to maintain that weight,” he said. “I always gain weight during the season. If every spring training I come in like this, I’ll be fine. “

When mentioned that he came in heavier last season [Note: 2014] and finished with a 15-6 record and an American League-best 2.14 ERA in 34 starts with 248 strikeouts in 236 innings, Hernandez shrugged his shoulders.

“Yeah, not bad,” he said. “But I look better now.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/ms-ace-felix-hernandez-looks-and-feels-good-during-first-bullpen-session/

Sounds like the experiment failed.

Stevil
9 years ago

I wonder if it’s hit many people, apart from Jeff, how dangerous Seattle’s top 4 in the rotation could be if Felix rebounds? Iwakuma and Smyly have been solid, and Paxton looks to be on track towards something extraordinary.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Stevil

They are like most teams. If everyone stays healthy and pitch to their potential they could be the best team in the AL. But you could say the same thing about 5 to 6 teams in the AL

victorvran
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

Yes, so much this. I have seen so many “well if x does this and y does this and then z can improve the team can be scary”. There are just so many instances where if all of the things are good then the team can be good, sadly baseball is cruel and all of the things do not tend to go perfectly.

nv
9 years ago

Tony Blengino has suggested in recent pieces that contact management has been important for the continued productivity of Sabathia and Verlander after a period of declining stuff. Both were good to great last year but it took a couple years to develop. I’m skeptical that adding a mph in velocity will get it done for Hernandez, but I’d be curious in knowing what goes into building contact management skills.

John Autin
9 years ago

Frank Tanana lost his fastball by age 24. He hung on for another 16 years and 174 wins.

Hope is a good thing.

Mike NMN
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

True, but for the rest of his career he was fairly mediocre, with occasional flashes. A total of 1.5 WAA for the last 174 wins. Useful innings-eater for most of that time. Too bad–he was exceptional when young, but nearly 1400 IP in his ages 20-24 season might wear a body down.

BernandezMember since 2020
9 years ago

If anyone can figure out how to adapt and continue to dominate, it’s Felix. The dude has been just sensational for a decade, from when he came up throwing 96, to when he posted a 5.7 WAR in 2013 throwing 91. I know age and his workload is working against him, but if I had to put money on an over 30 pitcher bouncing back to ace status, I’d pick The King every time.

Paul22
9 years ago

Schilling got better after he turned 30. It all depends on health and to a lesser degree, physical conditioning. Heck CC Sabathis had is best year since 2012 with 1 knee, so sometimes its about pitching smarter too as pitchers lose velocity, also being sober helps

Inconsistency seems to be more prevalent when there are health issues so I think hecis not healthy

evo34Member since 2023
9 years ago

The most similar comp. is probably Dwight Gooden — although obviously Felix is a notch better.

bpd
9 years ago
Reply to  evo34

Eh gooden faded faster. Maybe throwing 200+innings as an 18 year old feast out of high school was a bad idea.

evo34Member since 2023
9 years ago
Reply to  bpd

Comp != replica

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  evo34

Felix is a notch better than Gooden? Currently, or are we talking peak? Because I disagree.

alexiscorreia
9 years ago

I know velocity es VERY important for a pitcher. But you un Fangraphs say that Justin Verlander LEARN to be a new pitcher, that it’s not only a matter of velocity uptick