How Much Is Robinson Cano Worth?
Last week, Robinson Cano’s name found itself in the news, because someone decided to ask a presumably drunk former coach for his opinions while someone else was recording. The news cycle subsequently spent its weekend worshiping at the altar of football, but now we’re back to Cano again, this time for a different reason. John Harper wrote a piece for the Daily News, and within, former coach Rich Donnelly came to Cano’s defense. That’s not what’s grabbed attention, though; what’s grabbed attention would be this:
But even if Cano has had the best intentions as a Mariner, one long-time friend who spoke to him recently says the second baseman is not happy in Seattle, especially with a new regime in charge there now, and that he’d love to somehow find his way back to New York.
It seems like a powerful sentence. A feeling of regret for a one-time superstar who followed the money away from New York to the other side of the continent? Great for the area media. Great for the area readers. Helps New York feel better about itself, which tends to be the city’s primary interest. And for all I know, this might even be true. There was speculation Cano was “homesick” for New York in June. The Daily News made Cano sound unhappy in March 2014. Granted, Cano might’ve been somewhat unhappy in New York in 2013. He did leave, after all.
The Seattle-area media has never reported having the sense that Cano was unhappy. He happens to be coming off a disappointing year. Not just for himself, but also for the team, which underachieved while Cano’s old Yankees squeaked into the playoffs (for a day). My guess is this is nothing. It’s something to talk about on a Monday morning when there’s nothing else going on. Of course Cano would’ve preferred a stronger 2015, individually and as a group. If he was unhappy in 2014, it didn’t stop him from having a terrific year. If he was unhappy in the middle of 2015, it didn’t stop him from having a terrific second half.
I’m actually more interested in something else from the same article. Forget what one person says about Cano’s emotional state; it’s indirect, and uncorroborated, and not as important as his performance. More to the point of his performance: consider the following excerpt.
“He’s, what, 33 now, and he’s not an elite defender at second base anymore,” a major league executive said. “I think the Yankees would see him as being worth about five years and $80 million.”
This — this has some real substance. A few years ago, Robinson Cano signed with the Mariners for 10 years and $240 million. He has eight years and $192 million left. What is he actually worth? As in, what might Cano get on the market, were he a free agent today? It’s basically a hypothetical — Cano isn’t a free agent, nor will the Mariners trade him — but that doesn’t mean it’s not an interesting case. That anonymous executive presents his case above, and even if it’s not an exact calculation, he didn’t pull those numbers completely out of his ass. Let’s work around the estimate. Five years, $80 million, if Cano were available.
It’s pretty easy to see what makes this particularly complicated. Free agency is never easy to figure out when you’re talking about an older player, but Cano just saw his WAR drop by three wins. It’s conspicuous on his player page, but nothing about this is smooth. In the first half of last season, Cano was arguably below replacement-level. In the second half, he hit like himself in his prime. By WAR, first-half Cano was in the bottom 10% of qualified position players. Second-half Cano was in the top 20%. He posted a wRC+ a little behind Jose Bautista, and a little ahead of Yoenis Cespedes.
Cano wasn’t the only player with a much bigger second half. Comparing halves, post-break Cano had the higher wRC+ by 74 points. Post-break Shin-Soo Choo was higher by 92 points. Post-break David Ortiz was higher by 86 points. Cano’s career-best, full-season wRC+ is 149 — he hit that well with Seattle over the most recent few months, so it’s difficult to figure what’s happening. We know he’s getting older, and therefore worse, but it seems like next year should be better than last year. He was said to play through illness and injuries. Making it all ever stranger, he appeared to hit better when he was hurt.
So, good luck. Cano’s projection has error bars. Everyone’s does, but Cano’s might be bigger than most. For simplicity, let’s follow the midpoint. Steamer puts 2016 Cano at 3.5 WAR. For the sake of reference, Steamer put 2015 Cano at 5.0 WAR, before the season started. So his decline has been factored in. Cano’s coming up on his age-33 year. No matter how gracefully you expect him to age, aging curves tend to get steeper as you approach the big 4-0.
This can be fairly straightforward. All it takes are a few market assumptions. We’ll give Cano a standard aging curve. And now to work with some math: let’s say a win will cost $8 million on the free-agent market. And let’s assume a 5% rate of future inflation. These are guesses. Everything is a guess! The idea is for the guesses to be realistic enough.
This version of Cano would be expected to fetch just north of $100 million over five years. Or, about $104 million, over six years. Now that that’s set, we can play around. What if, say, you’re more down on Cano, and you figure he’s due for a 3.0-win season instead? Then he’d drop to five years and just short of $80 million. Alternatively, if you buy Cano’s second half, and figure he’ll be worth something more like 4 WAR, then you’re looking at five years and $123 million.
Go back to the 3.5-WAR estimate. This gave five years and $101 million. Changing the rate of inflation by a percentage point or two changes the total contract value by just a few million. So, not a big deal. If, instead of $8 million, a win is going to cost $8.5 million, then you get five years and $107 million. Unsurprisingly, the take-home message should be that the most important thing is placing Cano’s future value. The market conditions aren’t as big a collection of factors as Cano’s skill. Put him at 3.75 WAR over five years and you have a $112-million valuation. Remember, again, he’s due $192 million over eight years.
There’s even a much simpler way to approach this. Cano is newly 33, and he projects for 3.5 WAR. Alex Gordon will be 32, and he also projects for 3.5 WAR. Gordon is a free agent, and while he’s an outfielder instead of an infielder, that’s not what’s really important. Whatever you expect Gordon to sign for should be in the neighborhood of what you’d expect Cano to sign for. For the sake of the hypothetical, let’s assume Cano was also granted a qualifying offer. So the only huge difference is Cano’s extra year of age. The performances are similar, even if Gordon is more of a defensive-minded type.
The fans projected Gordon right around five years and $90 million. The fans tend to come in a little low, so let’s instead put Gordon at five years and $100 – 110 million. There’s your estimate. Cano would be around the same place. Cano will have three more actual guaranteed years, but those are unlikely to produce much of any value.
Ben Zobrist might function as another pseudo-comp, but he’s older than Cano, and more versatile. The fans put Zobrist at three years and $42 million, but Dave figures he’ll get another year, and a higher salary. Zobrist would still be close enough. That’s Cano’s neighborhood.
And that’s why the Mariners are already looking at an albatross. They can afford it, sure. And maybe it all still works out, if Cano really bounces back, or if he ages gracefully, or if the market takes off. It doesn’t have to be an eight-year nightmare. But in July, Dave ranked Cano as having the least trade value in the game. While Cano played better over the remaining months, the math didn’t change much — Dave was working with a 2016 estimate of 3.6 WAR. So here we are, where the Mariners have a good player, a player who should have a better 2016, but a player who’s guaranteed way too much money. The Mariners have Cano signed like he’s Jason Heyward. He’s more like Alex Gordon. Alex Gordon’s pretty good, for now.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
Nothing. He just had one of the worst seasons EVER!
Robbie would be happier if he ran to first base on grounders.
Exercise releases endorphin’s.
I’d peg him for -3.5WAR since he’s the WORST PLAYER EVAAA!
These weren’t as funny as you’d hoped.
Or even at all.
As a relatively young fan, it’s somewhat depressing having to watch the decline phase of some of my all time favorite players, combined with them having large free agent contracts. Robinson Cano has had such a tremendous career, I will be rooting hard for him over the next eight years. What a sweet swing!
Get out if you can Robbie.
Robinson Cano gave me a cat I didn’t want.
Jeff, thoughts on the M’s trying to move Cano? They’d have to take on some salary, or move bad contract for bad contract” I mean, the Fielder contract was traded and we all thought that was impossible, so….
Honestly, what is Seattle’s plan? Such a collapse after so much promise. Will be really interesting to see how Jerry Diporto handles his first offseason at the new gig.
I hope M’s keep him. He will match his 2nd half numbers from 2015 and be the productive player he is supposed to be. He even had a double hernia the 2nd half and look at what he produced. I saw a photo of him working out and he is in really good shape. No fat on that body. He takes care of his body. Maybe he won’t deteriorate like some are projecting. Even with that horrible 1 st half he prodcued wRC+116….No reason he can’t get back up to 140 range.
I’d argue albatross contracts like this are the only thing keeping MLB going. They’re the carrot for all those 25-year-old, minimum-salary superstars. If they didn’t have a chance at a Cano-esque contract they’d be on the picket lines (ugh). And if you look at MLB as one giant corporation with 30 divisions, Cano will absolutely be worth the money paid to him over the entirety of his career. It’s just that the Mariner division will be responsible for the expensive part rather than the Yankee division, when usually it’s the other way around.
Great comment. I think this gets forgotten sometimes when we talk about what a player is worth: the dollar value of future WAR is just one subset of what the superstars are worth to ownership.
The payout (both in dollars and prestige) at the end of the rainbow is the mechanism that keeps everything humming, both minimum salary major league players and also the younger minor league system where guys are really underpaid for the amount of work they put in.
“I’d argue albatross contracts like this are the only thing keeping MLB going.”
Sorry, but that’s one of the more ignorant things I’ve read lately.
MLB players already receive a smaller % of league revenues than their NFL or NBA brethren. Get rid of Cano’s & all the other albatross contracts on the books, and the players % of league revenues would be signifigantly lower. Maybe even so low that the players would strike because it was their only hope of obtaining a more appropriate % of league revenues.
Hardly an ignorant statement at all.
YOU are the ignorent one ben. You are an ignoremus.
For a comment calling someone “ignorent” [sic], it contains an impressive two spelling errors and two capitalization errors in just twelve words!
Better and ignoremus than an ignoromulus.
Nice piece–except for the “Helps New York feel better about itself, which tends to be the city’s primary interest.”
I live here, so on behalf of myself, my wife and kids, my friends, and neighbors, let me assure you—we have other interests. Including reading Fangraphs, despite the occasional snarkiness.
I hope this comment made you feel better about yourself.
Bite me
‘Well, I had sex with your wife!’
Cantstandya
No, but your comment was certainly uplifting…
Do you expect Robbie to age similarly to Chase Utley? If so, Mariners may have a very narrow window to trade Cano.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/utleych01.shtml
Chase Utley would have aged far better if his knees weren’t the worst, so I think if Cano can age skillwise like Utley, but body and healthwise UNlike Utley, then he’ll be fine.
chase Utley had aged better had his knees not aged so badly. What?
If Canoe ages better than Utley, he’ll age better than Utley. Where’s your disconnect, jtt?
That Canoe should age pretty well if you keep it in a garage or shed and don’t leave it exposed to the elements.
Although I imagine Utley can afford a shed AND a garage and his knees are STILL shot, so it’s no guarantee.
This is an awful lot of hand-wringing about a guy who just hit .331/.387/.540 in the second half and who prior to this season was as close to a mortal lock as can be to put up a 5 WAR season (had done so five years in a row).
Assuming Cano can replicate his 2014 (which is not a long bet) this contract is right back on track. Usual caveats apply (he can get hurt, long contracts are risky v. time-value of money, inflation) but it’s Cano. I’d rather have Cano 33 to 39 than Gordon 33 to 36 and Zobrist 37 to 39, even though they will likely cost the same.
Why would we ever assume that? Two years older on the wrong side of 30, and we’re supposed to assume that he’ll replicate a spike in his BABIP and contact rate?
You would rather have Cano than either or both? I’d much rather have the combo platter of Gordon + Zobrist over the next three years.
On second thought, I am not sure. Obviously, Zobrist is a safer bet because he is already this age and has remained productive, but I am not convinced that when we look back, if Cano gets through the next couple years healthy, that he won’t beat them.
He was at .238/.279/.320 on June 6 and fielding like Hanley Ramirez in left. OK, not that bad.
The iffy thing about comparing Cano to Gordon, or even Zobrist for that matter, is that Gordon and Zobrist are valuable due to their defensive skills. It’s no secret that defensive skills have a harsher rate of decline than offensive skills, so the GMs definitely know this. Cano was considered a decent/good/great defender in his prime(depending on who you ask), but his value came from producing offensively at a position that is generally unproductive. For this reason, I feel he compares better to Pablo Sandoval of last year’s FA crop, but I know that’s a stretch.
“I feel he compares better to Pablo Sandoval of last year’s FA crop”
Oof.
So many contracts for 30+ year old players end up as albatrosses. Teams should know better.
Lots of teams do know better, that is why less & less are handed out each season and the players’ share of league revenues continues to dwindle. Should be an interesting round of CBA negotiations coming up.
Stupid contract the moment it was offered.
Stupid comment the moment it was posted
M’s were desperate for a top tier position player and team leader…and that is why they signed him for that amount. And when M’s start winning in 2016 Cano will be happy again.
It’s kinda hilarious that Cano is making noise about getting out of town, when I’m sure the current Mariners FO would leap at the chance to mutually void his contract for him.
When you realize what he really means is “I’d like to be traded to the team I prefer AND be paid the same, likely necessitating that the Mariners cover tens of millions of my outstanding salary,” he starts to look a lot less reasonable.
It’s a good question, though, as to whether the players union would allow Cano to re-negotiate to a smaller deal as a condition of the trade. They blocked A-Rod from doing so years ago, but I wonder if the calculus on that has changed.
No way MLBPA would allow that. Baseball isn’t like football or basketball with a cap such that star players restructure deals/take less money so the their teams can afford better players and build better teams. MLBPA has too much collective interest in these massive contracts to set a precedent for devaluing them, especially just to appease a single player who is homesick for the east coast or doesn’t like the weather in Seattle or something.
More recently, Hamilton ate some of his LAA contract to head back to TEX.
IMO, this contract was always one better suited to steroid era, when the better players stopped aging.
Baseballs salary structure is wired. Underpay for years until their decline is in sight then overpay. A salary floor to guaruntee money, and earlier free agency + max number of years in FA contracts would fix these problems.
Haha weird not wired
Over Rated and over paid.
That Andy Van Slyke is ok by me.
That says a lot about you!
Now that’s hyperbolic.
I’m so tired of the Hanley saga and it’s only going into year two, so Hanley and Castillo for Cano to kick the can down the road a few years. Robinson can play first and backup second, then add DH to the c.v. An overpay and future payroll issue but it rids BOS of the babysitting and spin doctoring that is required to have Hanley on your team. Plus the Sox are shopping Castillo so wouldn’t be as if they will miss him.