How the Playoff Odds Have Changed in a Year

As of just a short while ago: 2015 playoff odds! The odds we ran through last season are back, with division chances, wild-card chances, World Series chances, and so on and so forth. With meaningful player movement basically complete, with few important roster competitions, and with both Steamer and ZiPS folded in, these are your preseason odds, missing only injuries that happen over the next four weeks. Granted, an injury to, say, Mike Trout could change things quite a bit, but these odds shouldn’t change very much before the real baseball starts. This is a big day for those of us who are obsessed with checking the page 20 times a week. Even though there won’t be a reason to do that for a while, it’s just nice to see the page populated with numbers.

The same page was populated with numbers last March. Numbers based on Steamer, ZiPS, and author-maintained team-by-team depth charts. Which is to say, numbers calculated by the same processes. It seems those numbers are no longer available on the internet, but I’ve had them saved in a folder, so I thought now would be a fun time to look at how the numbers have changed for each team since just before last season. In a way it’s a snapshot of the last 12 months. In another way it’s not that at all, but let’s not dwell on semantics. Relative to last year, who’s going into this season with bigger expectations? On the flip side, who’s most trying to focus on the bigger picture?

There’ll be two images. First, overall changes in playoff odds:

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By the way, you shouldn’t expect to be surprised. We’ve been talking about a lot of this stuff for months. This is just a different way of visualizing the same conversation topics. The three leaders, here, in terms of raised expectations: the Cubs, the Mariners, and the Marlins. The three at the back: the Rangers, the Braves, and the Rays. I feel like I don’t need to go into detail, but I might as well summarize, in case some of you have been gone for a whole turn of the calendar.

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The Cubs have Jon Lester, now, and a way awesomely improved Jake Arrieta, and their young players are a year older and in many cases a year better. The Mariners have made their own additions, eliminating many weaknesses, and they just saw a huge campaign from Kyle Seager. They also benefit from the worsening of the Rangers and the A’s. The Marlins, one year ago, looked like one of the worse teams in baseball. Yet several young players took a step forward, and the team’s had a somewhat active offseason. The Marlins appear ready to contend, even without Jose Fernandez for the season’s first months.

We know last year was a catastrophe for Texas. The preseason numbers were slightly inflated due to the projections having trouble with some relievers moving to the rotation, but the general message here is tough to argue: a year ago, the Rangers looked like a potential World Series team. Now there’s a real chance they finish behind the Astros, and Jurickson Profar’s already out all year. The Braves, meanwhile, are worse on purpose, as they’ve shifted focus to three or four years from now. As for the Rays, they’ve dropped five projected wins. Easy enough to explain — David Price is gone. Ben Zobrist is gone. Evan Longoria, last season, was not very good. The Rays still show up as a contender, unlike the Rangers and Braves, but more on the level of the Mets than the Tigers.

Of course, there’s some interesting business elsewhere. For everything they did, the White Sox haven’t budged much. For everything they did, the Padres haven’t budged much. Combined, they are up about 15 percentage points, but these odds are only as good as the projection inputs, and if you disagree with the projections, then you’ll disagree with the results observed here. The White Sox have, if nothing else, doubled last year’s odds. The Padres are up from a 1-in-4 team to a 1-in-3 team.

All of a sudden, we see the Astros as a legitimate major-league baseball team. And the Mets are up, and the Indians are looking to benefit from the Tigers getting weaker. This definitely feels like the most vulnerable Tigers team in years. That’s reflected above, as the Tigers actually have lower odds than the Indians do.

Here now: strictly division odds, ignoring the wild card.

changeindivisionodds

Obviously, the orders have a lot in common. Still, there are some specifics worth observing. While the Cubs have made the biggest leap in playoff odds, the Mariners have made by far the biggest leap in division odds. The Indians’ whole gain has been in division odds; they have about the same shot at the wild card as they did 12 months ago. Similar to the Indians, we have the Nationals and Dodgers, who have improved their chances of winning their divisions, while seeing small drops in wild-card odds. They’re happy to make that exchange.

The Cardinals are different — their division odds are down, and their wild-card odds are up, creating a false illusion of balance. Pretty much the Mets’ whole gain is in wild-card odds. The same goes for the Marlins, as these teams are improved, but still not close to the level of the rival Nationals. Before 2014, the Nationals had the highest division-winning odds in baseball, at 74%. Now they lead the way at 87%. There’s no such thing as a division won before the start of the regular season, but the Nationals have gotten about as close as is possible, and it would take a lot going wrong for the team to be toppled. I suppose just based on this we could say the Nationals would be toppled once out of every seven or eight opportunities. Which isn’t that unlikely, now that I think about it.

One thing I wish we had: playoff 0dds for 2015, based on the end of 2014. That would tell us who accomplished the most over the course of the winter, with all the activity and all the roster management. Said numbers don’t exist, however, so this is where we are. Make of this however much you want to. All these are, ultimately, are numbers. Your spirit is likely to remain unchanged.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Ben
11 years ago

How are the Rays projected for more wins but less WAR than the Orioles? 81 to 19 wins but 33.7 to 34.4 WAR.

I think the Orioles play the Nats a few more times and the Rays play the Marlins, but other than that, their strength of schedule should be the same (other than playing each other)?

Ben
11 years ago
Reply to  Ben

*79 wins for the Orioles, not 19.

David AppelmanFanGraphs Staff
11 years ago
Reply to  Ben

None of our projected standings use WAR, they use BaseRuns. So, they’re not going to match up exactly.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I found one fangraphs projection mode that loves the Orioles and sees them as AL East favorites!

http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx?type=0&lg=div&date=pre

SpaceJam
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

The Astros have to be the first team to be a division favorite yet have the longest odds to win the world series in all of baseball.

everdiso_AEC
11 years ago

fangraphs has it out for the jays

the red sox have a rapidly declining 2b who projects to be no better than average in a few years and an anchor by the end of his contract. theyre a big market team so they could swallow a fat sack of garbage.

highlight and google: avoidance of the latin american star talent.

could it be the phillies want nothing to do with mookie betts because hes overrated and no better than muri?

I’d put this in all caps if i knew how

john middleton is a felony fraud like that fascist rob ford. red sox, red sox, red sox all the time on fangraphs with ever changing statistical data depending on what dave feels will best help the red sox. they have a few good prospects that might make the Middlebrooks level but what are they doing with all that Comcast money?

highlight and google: #keepnotgraphs

bluejaysstatsgeek
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso_AEC

Looks like someone has been sharing a pipe with the former mayor. You should only post when sober and straight.

If Dave Cameron has any bias, it is toward the Mariners, but he has been good at maintaining a balanced perspective. He is one of my favourite writers. But this isn’t Dave’s piece, it is the fine work of Jeff Sullivan.

Here’s hoping for a Toronto vs Pittsburgh World Series!

Nike
11 years ago

Swoosh!

a
11 years ago

sober and straight

Definitely don’t want to be posting when gay… or something

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  a

Well dammit.

joser
11 years ago

Always pleased when I get to link to this on Fangraphs.

Javier Baez
11 years ago

Swing and a miss

George Taylor
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso_AEC

You maniacs! You mated everdiso and Free_AEC! Damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

#6organon21
11 years ago
Reply to  George Taylor

Bigot!

LenardMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  George Taylor

It’s the plot for the new Jurassic Park movie!

Michael Scarn
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso_AEC

This is far and away the best content of any kind ever posted on this website

And I Just Thought He Was A Harmless Troll
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso_AEC

In addition to serving 4 years for hacking into sports media outlets to spread his anti-Phillies message, Allan E. Carlson was also court ordered to stop distributing white supremacist pamphlets in a supermarket and served 32 months for vandalizing 24 luxury cars in California.

And I Just Thought He Was A Harmless Troll
11 years ago

Okay, one correction. He didn’t technically distribute white supremacist pamphlets so much as stuff them inside boxes of “Pop Tarts, Cheez-It crackers, and other grocery packages.”

War Criminal Condoleezza Rice
11 years ago

Bigot!

KCDaveInLA
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso_AEC

#Keepnotgraphs? Almost looks like it’s alive and well…

Feeling like such a robot these days.

joser
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso_AEC

I read that last line as “Comcast monkey” and somehow it seemed to make more sense. (Especially when it immediately linked up in my mind with the Angels and their habit of outperforming projections)

BDF
11 years ago

Who is Mike Trout? Tim Salmon is retired.

Mike Carp
11 years ago
Reply to  BDF

(who’s gonna tell him?)

Lots Of Us Here
11 years ago

20 times a week is obsessed? What’s 20 times a day, then?

Sex-Craved Teen
11 years ago

how often I masturbate.

drew_willy
11 years ago

Can somebody explain why the projected 2015 wins are different on the following two pages?

http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx?type=2&lg=mlb&date=pre

http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

What is the difference in the ways these projected standings are determined? For example, on the first page the Nats are listed at 94.3 wins, whereas on the second page they are listed at 93. I don’t understand.

David AppelmanFanGraphs Staff
11 years ago
Reply to  drew_willy

The playoff odds are a sim of 10,000 seasons and includes more strength of schedule aspects because it takes into account each individual matchup. The projected standings are just a baseruns calc to a pythag win expectancy.

Michael Sweeney
11 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Which of these methods has proven more accurate in the past?

Vince Clortho
11 years ago

These are wrong about my team

JB
11 years ago

The Red Sox numbers are amusing to me, considering how much the spent. Of course, as a Yankees fan, I must take amusement wherever I can find it.

Michael Sweeney
11 years ago
Reply to  JB

Another way to look at this is that their playoff odds are higher this season than they were coming off a World Series win.

MDLMember since 2021
11 years ago
Reply to  JB

A year ago they were coming off of a WS win and returning most of their major players. Considering how much the team has turned over since then, I think it’s pretty impressive that they have actually increased their odds.

On the other hand I couldn’t be more biased…

Michael Sweeney
11 years ago

How good do the Nats have to be to have 18% WS odds considering each playoff round is basically a coin flip? Even if you assume they’re a 100% lock for the playoffs, it seems like a lot of work to get them from the 12.5% you’d logically expect to win 3 coin flips in a row to 18%. I’m not saying the estimate is wrong per se, it’s just a VERY strong projection.

Jason B
11 years ago

Nothing strange about it; they’re widely viewed as the strongest team in baseball. Let’s say they have a 57% chance of advancing in each round of the playoffs, that would give them an 18.5% chance of winning the WS. Or 60%, then 56%, then 53% would also result in an 18% WS win probability. Whatever probabilities you want to assign, it seems very reasonable for the Nats to end up in the 18% range to win it all.

Kicker31
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Except you forget that they aren’t an 100% lock for the playoffs. Figure they’re in about 90% of the time. They’re already down to 16.2%

And on top of that, if a team was consistently 55%+ for winning EVERY SERIES against the BEST teams in MLB, they would be so far above where they are now.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Kicker31

You’re right, even the best team is no better than 90% to make the playoffs. That’s a good point.

Once there, though, I think a 55/45 edge is perfectly reasonable for a team that is the consensus best team in baseball. They should get some edge by having an anticipated home-field advantage in the first two rounds, plus some more advantage accruing from simply being the superior team. Even in a short series, I think a 55/45 edge sounds about right. I certainly wouldn’t put it less than 52-53%, or more than 60%, so 55 sounds pretty spot-on. Even in a short series, even against other good teams (when they are expected to be markedly superior).

Saga
11 years ago

I may be missing something, but the divisional odds ought to be a zero-sum game, in that whatever declines is had by the declined teams in a division, an equal raise should be seen in the teams whose odds rose.

This is me trying to figure out how the Twins got better.

jim fetterolf
11 years ago

How have the playoff odds done over the years compared to reality? Might be an interesting chart to see how the preseason predictions compare to actual season records for teams.