How the Union Could Win Over the Public
This offseason, clearly, has been defined both by inactivity and an attempt to understand it. As free agents sit home just days before pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report, baseball and its fans have engaged in a conversation about economics and worth, value and spending. For some, inherent to that conversation is a sense that players ought to be content with what they have, that front offices presented with aging sluggers and hurlers have their hands tied. Voices as estimable as Bill James have endeavored to distance ball players from those who do so-called “real work.” Others have posited that owners are just being smart, and that really, don’t grown men playing a game make too much compared to the rest of us already? They aren’t teachers or firefighters, after all.
Players and analysts often seem surprised by this reaction. How can normal folks side with billionaires over millionaires? The incredulity is understandable: when moved to attribute avarice to strangers, it seems as if those with billions would make for more compelling targets. We get worked up over it, furious at the dearth of solidarity, fearful for what it might mean for other, less public struggles that involve our friends and neighbors.
But I wonder if we haven’t made a mistake. We’ve assumed that the sides are clear. But I think most fans don’t see millionaires pitted against billionaires; I think most fans don’t see the owners much at all.
Players stretch out over green fields. They thump home runs. They give us little bits of themselves to take with us. But players also leave. They give themselves to new people, people who aren’t our folks, who live in different places. They do that to us, or that’s how it can feel. The fan’s relationship with a player must necessarily be flexible. Players are a source of great fun and joy, but also embodiments of frustration. Fans weave those feelings, those experiences, together into a fabric in which we can cloak ourselves, a name across our backs, but one which is also liable to be pulled taut and ripped apart when we perceive conflict with the name on the front.
Of course, players don’t leave all on their own. Like fans and managers, analysts and hot-dog vendors, players exist within an ecosystem. They lose time to younger bucks; their value to the team is measured exclusively in what they can fetch in a trade; they’re offered something less than they’re worth. They react, eddied about by and reacting to those around them. As time has gone on, however, more of the ecosystem has been revealed.
As fans, we see the analyst, angling for efficiency and value. We see the manager, too, orchestrating the shift. We believe that smarter baseball makes for better baseball, for winning baseball. Sometimes, we cheer just as loudly when our favorite analyst or prospect writer gets hired away by our team — a different sort of person for whom we can root. We continue to enjoy our hot dogs. But the boss remains obscured. Like prey that sees only flashes of its predator through the grass, fans aren’t really situated properly to develop a full portrait of ownership. We don’t see the owner, we just see the team.
Sometimes baseball is a family business, but often it’s not. How do you put a face on Rogers Communications, keep it steady in your mind’s eye? This thing on which we we spend so much time is just another holding. Some fans follow the composition of those portfolios closely; many of them read these electronic pages.
But probably most don’t experience baseball like that. It all blends together; it becomes pinstripes. And that is a big part of the players’ problem. Because, when your fans just see the team, it isn’t millionaires pitted against billionaires. It’s millionaires pitted against fans’ hopes and dreams, against our nights in the best part of the year, against our Octobers. J.D. Martinez’s refusal to accept less means we’ll have a less good time. It suggests, unfairly, that one side is out for themselves, while the other is there for the game. It’s the players’ great rhetorical challenge.
But this challenge may also suggest a way forward, one some players have already begun to embrace. If the reason fans come to resent big contracts is that they pit a player’s interests against the club’s, might not those same fans come to resent owners who neglect to try to win? Can’t players throw their rhetorical lot in with the game, with the fans, with victory? With watchable baseball? The Braves, Marlins, Padres, Phillies, Pirates, Reds, Royals, Tigers, and White Sox are all at various stages of tearing down, tanking, or rebuilding, but none of them seem interested in putting a winning team on the field. Depending on how the first half goes, the Orioles may join them — and the Mariners, too. The A’s remain stuck in a perpetual state of merely existing, Schrodinger’s Team, always both contending and tearing down, simultaneously alive and dead.
With so many teams in the process of purposely not-winning, we must ask how well the strategy employed by the Astros and Cubs will continue to work. Sometimes you win a World Series, but sometimes you’re the mid-2000s Mariners, still bogged down despite a Dustin Ackley and a Jesus Montero and a Justin Smoak, never really closer until a Robinson Cano comes along. Not every team will be able to draft first overall. And if they don’t, where will they be except another year older?
This year’s crop of free agents is aging and looks to be expensive, but they aren’t without merit. They could make teams better. Heck, they could, properly constituted, be better than some of the teams they’d serve to improve. The Tigers and Braves and Royals aren’t a J.D. Martinez or Mike Moustakas away from the playoffs. For fans, though, that isn’t always the point. Sometimes you just want baseball that is slightly less bad, less defeated, less of a farce. Sometimes you delight in the simple joys of competent baseball at the hands of a Jason Vargas, in a fly ball cleanly tracked down by the speed of a Jarrod Dyson. We want our guys to win. But if they don’t, we want to be able to convince ourselves they might. We want good baseball. We want someone to at least fight for good baseball, even if it’s a bunch of millionaires.
The whole system might need to be razed. The union has made so many concessions for so long that the fight to right things will undoubtedly be ugly. It might require strikes and stoppages. Historically, the public has not rallied to the players’ side in those moments, and their pressure and sympathy is not without value. A different tact may be necessary. If I were the players, I would talk about how all that tanking or not-winning doesn’t always work. How it makes for very bad, boring baseball. How it is pitted against our nights in the best time of the year. How it is indifferent to our Octobers.
It doesn’t mean the players can’t keep trying to articulate the real contours of the labor dynamic; to show what and who is in the long grass, as it were. They can and should. They could advocate for minor-league pay increases and better treatment for international players. They could show solidarity among themselves. But they should also talk about the game itself, its green fields, and how this summer many of us seem likely to be left, over and over, with a lopsided score in the other team’s favor.
Players are the game, more than widget makers are products on store shelves. As they fight for their share before they take the field, they should keep reminding fans they’re fighting for our game, too.
Meg is the editor-in-chief of FanGraphs and the co-host of Effectively Wild. Prior to joining FanGraphs, her work appeared at Baseball Prospectus, Lookout Landing, and Just A Bit Outside. You can follow her on Bluesky @megrowler.fangraphs.com.
Meg, I think the most underreported aspect of this offseason is how teams are prepping for Harper, Machado, Donaldson, Kershaw, Keuchal, David Price, Charlie Blackmon, Andrew Miller, Craig Kimbral, etc to be free agents. As well as extensions for Correa, Altuve, Lindor, ANOTHER Trout extension, Kris Bryant, Seeager, etc. etc. There could be SOOOO much money flying around in 2018-2019 that’s why I think it is a slow offseason.
Maybe.
But my understanding is that money “saved” (specifically by not signing expensive players) in one year is almost never “invested” in following years. (Luxury Tax issues left to one side.) I wish I could quote a Fangraphs article to that effect. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the analysis doesn’t even exist.
And there seems to be a large number of teams each year who are “pushing their(self-imposed) salary cap.” To take one team I admire, though do not support, the Cleveland Indians seem to have been doing this for five years or more. And that’s a successful team by any estimation. It’s hard to see how teams like this are suddenly going to spring for a $180M/6 year contract.
And then of course there’s the nasty little combination of the Luxury Tax (which is now correctly viewed as not just extra cost but also lost opportunity) and the increasing farce of Qualifying Offers.
There might be less money sloshing around in Winter 2018 than you think.
I don’t think it’s saving it for next offseason, it’s not putting 2-3 deals on the books to have more space next year. It’s really hard to get payroll down in one offseason.
To say nothing of the fact that the latest CBA attached the Luxury Tax to the draft and to international spending which is a cyclical problem designed to suppress salary’s. It was as tho the Union thought that because they got the Luxury Tax to move up that all teams would spend to the Luxury Tax thereby negating the tying of these markets together.
Those players will only be available to a handful of teams. The mid-market teams should be trying to take advantage of this year’s down market. Also, next year’s big class doesn’t explain the complete lack of 1-year deals this year, and the 90+ unsigned FA that aren’t top tier guys.
The “down market” has so far been much more myth than reality.
It’s been a slow market, that’s true, but the actual deals signed have lined up pretty well with what we’d expect by standard contract value math and teams paying about $8 to $10 million per WAR in free agency.
The two notable exceptions to that have been Cozart and Frazier, suggesting that 3B is a particularly weak market.
Fighting for more $$$ for rookie contracts, arb-eligible players, international signings, and heck even MiLB players would be a good start. Those guys are often not the multi-millionaires that the public has little sympathy for. I understand that no one is going to cry for Bryce Harper if his contract doesn’t clear $500M, but if you can paint some boring Charlie Cup o’ Coffee as a blue collar working class guy whose job just happens to be baseball that could go a long way.
These are really good ideas. Minor league guys would be the easiest one on that point. They don’t make much at all.
I’m less sure about arb-eligible players, since the numbers on arbitration often seem comically high to average Americans.
But I’ve long thought that moving arb years earlier in the service clock would be as defensible as upping the rookie contract wage scale. Pitch it performance-based pay.
While that would be the clearest way to win positive PR, I don’t think the MLBPA can legally negotiate for anything binding on behalf of minor leaguers since they are not in the union nor would the MLBPA want to do so even if it could.
Minor leaguers need their own union to do this, though there are structural obstacles that are difficult to overcome. A few years old but a goodie: http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2012/04/minor_league_union_thousands_of_pro_baseball_players_make_just_1_100_per_month_where_is_their_c_sar_ch_vez_.html
You’re right that MiLBers are not part of the MLB bargaining unit, and that the MLBPA can’t negotiate on their behalf. That doesn’t mean individual players can’t publicly support the idea that their minor league counterparts should be paid a living wage.
And a few years after the next CBA you’ll be wondering why the MLBPA conceded *INSERT ACTUALLY IMPORTANT THING HERE* in exchange for the teams improving the wages for MiLB.
The MLBPA was too busy screwing over amateurs and the international free agents to care what happened in the minors.
Third party beneficiaries to CBA negotiations are standard. Third parties can even enforce the contracts so long as the correct language is used.
There is nothing preventing the union from fighting for minor leaguers or international FAs or MLB staff. The union could, for example secure a 49% cap on owner share, agree to a 49% cap on player share, and commit to a supporting a trust created on behalf of minor leaguers, international FAs, and MLB staff for the remaining 2%+.
Agents would never agree to let non-represented, lowly paid players and staff get percentage points.
Couldn’t agree more on this thread. The “problem” now is a natural outcome of the union letting MLB create indentured servants of all young players. Why buy at market prices anymore?
Yup.
No readers are pro-owner over player. It’s simply that slick PR campaigns for the richest players won’t have appeal- no matter how many times the false dichotomy of ‘player v owner’ is used to suggest that Hosmer is validated in his quest for $200m.
Honest use of data would help the argument as well. Overplayed Boras narratives and warring against the head of the player union is tone deaf and has been the problem with this strange fangraphs/ESPN/CAA talking points campaign.
Do you mean readers here or generally….
Wait sorry, what false dichotomy?
What the players (and owners) need to do is not overreact to one slow off season. There’s a reason why CBA’s have terms of more than one year. For over 20 years, there has been labor peace and great prosperity shared throughout the industry. Just because extenuating circumstances have created a short-term disruption does not mean either side should lose sight of the big picture. You don’t raze a building because of a leak. You simply plug the hole.
Players also shouldn’t worry about public relations because owners aren’t in that business either. Baseball owners react when their profitability is threatened, not when they believe the sensibilities of fans are being tested.
Also, fans tend to take the side of owners not because they like them, but because the team is permanent AND they relate more to the players. Being a billionaire owner is unfathomable, but many of the players were just like us not too long ago. That’s no different from the rivalries that exist between siblings, friends, neighbors, etc. It’s human nature to compare yourself to someone who is more proximate. After all, the only way to know the grass is greener on the other side is if you can actually see the grass.
“Players also shouldn’t worry about public relations because owners aren’t in that business either. Baseball owners react when their profitability is threatened, not when they believe the sensibilities of fans are being tested.”
Don’t these two sentences contradict each other? Players should care about PR because if their PR is high, in the case of a labor stoppage or strike, the profitability for owners will go down.
If fans side with owners, they’ll continue to buy tickets and jerseys and hope for play to start. If fans side with the players, they’ll likely hold out on these things until the stoppage resolves.
PR in baseball is profits. Check out the A’s or Marlins versus the Yankees or Giants or Cardinals. Public perception is what drives TV contracts, item revenue, season tickets and game ticket sales, and much much more, such as advertising revenue for the teams based on team attractiveness.
It’s not a contradiction because there is nothing to be gained by winning the public relations battle. Fans may take a side, but what they want is to watch the game. They aren’t going to buy tickets, merchandise, etc. if there are no games, and they certainly aren’t going to do so to show solidarity. PR does not equate to profits in baseball. What equates to profits is a large market of people who love baseball…and will love baseball regardless of which side they support in a labor battle.
Fans might get angry with the players, but they can’t hurt the players. The fans can only hurt the owners by refusing to spend money on baseball.
> What the players (and owners) need to do is not overreact to one slow off season.
There was a tweet recently that of the top 30 free agents, 18/23 non-Boras clients signed and 0/7 Boras clients signed. I feel the Boras-effect can’t be discounted here. We have a notoriously slow agent in an offseason when there’s not much demand from teams. And things could very well change next year when FAs are more in demand and perhaps Boras isn’t in charge of so many of the top FAs.
The players will never win over the public.
Most of the public is completely jealous of the players because they’re getting paid “a lot of money to play a child’s game” without considering the owners’ positions. For most people, that is the absolute extent of their analysis.
This. Every single poll of fans say that players make too much money. Its ridiculous that fans side with the billionaires, but they do by default.
To add, when was the last time in 40 years the public has ever sided with a union? The victory of the PR machine to demonize unions to the benefit of business has been complete.
Add in the “I’d play for free!” idiot response (no you wouldn’t, you’d hold out for every frigging cent you could get just like everyone else in the world) and the MLBPA, like all unions in general and sports unions in particular, and the players are completely screwed.
I think Meg landed on a salient point here: Players tend to be transient while teams tend to stay put.
Even if a player spends his entire career with one organization his time there is very short compared to the life span of a franchise.
I think a strike right now would do more harm for both sides than good, especially given the talent that will be available in next year’s free agent class. Instead, the players should accept what is being offered now and agree on not performing at 100% this season. Once owners notice the league-wide decrease in WAR and overall quality of play, they will have no choice but to open their pocketbooks.
yes….and how are they going to strike right before Harper gets 10/$400M, Machado get 12/$360M and Kershaw gets, 4/$164M?
Presumably by the union holding a vote, which (on that simplistic notion) would come down to 747 in favor and 3 against.
Naturally I exaggerate for effect, but I don’t see how your argument stands up.
Except the MLBPA has, generally speaking, always voted for maximum dollars for stars as a metric of success. Maybe they shouldn’t, but they do.
Beyond the fallacies about performing at a lesser level and just accepting a broken market as is…
Sa, every player does perform at 80%. WAR won’t change as it’s normalized to league averages. Win-loss records wouldn’t change, as 80% of Trout is still better than 80% of Hunter Pence, etc. So performing at less than 100%, collectively, would be hogwash.
Strikes typically happen when CBAs expire, not when journalists start reporting that there is an increasing amount of labor unrest. I don’t think anyone with their eye on this thinks a strike is possible before next years offseason. I think you’re getting down votes because what your saying doesn’t make any sense to readers here.
“league-wide decrease in WAR”
You might want to try learning how those numbers actually work.
I think this article is already written as if the players are right and the owners are wrong. “The union has made so many concessions for so long that the fight to right things will undoubtedly be ugly.” This is an opinion that appears to be presented as fact. MLB contracts have many features that most people would only dream of. If your performance becomes significantly worse you still get paid your contracted wage while in most professions you are fired. If you are injured on your own time and can’t do your job you still get paid while in most professions your protections are much less. Most people do not get pay increases simply because the industry wide income increases, they only get hem through merit (or COLA) while in MLB if revenues increase players have to make more without any change in their effort or performance. There is virtually no other industry where direct labor gets paid 45-50% of revenue. You may feel that MLB players should get even more but the contracts they have are far better than every other industry save other sports leagues.
I thumbed this up, and would do so a dozen times if they (unwisely) let me. One full disagreement, tho’. If an industry wide income increase comes about, most people within that industry will indeed see their income go up, too. If the department I’m working in does well, I’ll very likely see some of that.
I agree that if your department has strong performance there is a good chance many in the department will benefit. But, it isn’t always true at an industry level. It is difficult to compare MLB to other industries because when profits increase new teams can’t simply join and start competing as would happen in most other industries. I should have stated that wages are not contracted to increase in other industries when revenue increases but there are indirect channels which eventually can influence average wages.
There are lots of industries where employees get a big percentage of the profits or revenue – finance, entertainment, sports, the executive class at big corporations, etc. As you noted below, what sets baseball and all these other examples apart is that they’re industries or individuals who are seen to have uniquely rare skills that aren’t easily replaced.
Two thoughts:
One, isn’t this piece composed of opinions stated as opinions, supported with some facts, and yes the opinions of some others? I see Rowley asking questions, offering ideas, explaining her beliefs, and providing evidence to support her case. I don’t see what you don’t like here re: the rhetorical strategies, and it makes me feel as if we didn’t read the same piece. You disagree with her opinions, and favor your own. Ok. You might quibble with a source or two. Fine. But it looks like you’re mischaracterizing the piece by claiming she’s manipulating facts. If I missed her tricks though (only read through once) tell me where she’s claiming a fact.
Second, you’re right that baseball players have it much better than any other working American who is part of labor, but to use this observation to shame them into taking less is shoot yourself and other people of the working classes in the foot. Maybe you’re an owner of some means of production, and that’s how you make your claims, which, OK, fine. But if you work for someone else and don’t have equity or shares or a good contract, how can you arrive at this position? How can you claim that they should be happy with what they have, or even settle for less strikes me as misguided and sad. Yes, the numbers are huge, but please just look at the structure. I don’t think I’m alone when I confess that I desperately want their industry to better reflect all of our other industries, you make a good point. But I don’t want that to be achieved by telling those with good representation to pipe down and take less because its what the rest of us have to do. Don’t lower the ceiling, raise the damn floor!
I don’t think it’s possible for me to overstate how badly I want a share of the negotiating power, the respect, guaranteed contracts, good benefits, a share of profits tied to overall revenue. Desperately, I want this, for me and everyone else. Why can’t that be had by organizing and direct action. Law suits. Why should I look up at ballplayers and think “Shame on you!”
I’m not saying your claim is stupid or crazy. Look at the comments at MLBTR and you’ll see that many fans agree with you. Maybe the majority. You’re not stupid or crazy, and you’re almost certainly in the majority. But you are, respectfully, just wrong.
The article doesn’t have a single number in it- so there isn’t much for data driven analysis.
As far as Meg offering her ‘own opinions,’ there is limited evidence of that as well- it’s very clear that FG has a coordinated PR campaign to regurgitate Boras/CAA talking points. If Meg were offering her own opinions, there would likely be unique thoughts and ideas. There are no unique points in this article, just the typical Travis/Craig recycled mantras:
* pretend the union has given away the world
* promote the idea of striking
* promote the idea of getting rid of Clark (‘tear it all down,’ etc)
* pretend that the distribution of contending teams has changed and reduced recently
* nonstop focus on FA spending being the answer
* use the false dichotomy of owners v players – when the author’s point is really promoting Boras client interests over all other players and staff
Thankfully this article spared us the ‘january 1st discount,’ but nearly 100% of the Travis/Craig talking points are present and almost nothing else.
All legitimate points, and I’ve noticed this trend too. Here’s hoping for future pieces that provide the concrete analysis you’re looking for, though I’ll be curious to see if it appeases you. You seem like you think the claims made above are false and politically motivated, despite the fact that you, as you note, haven’t been provided with the data yet. Do you have data we don’t? How are you so sure anyone is “pretending” that the union has given up too much. How can you claim the divide between labor and management is a “false dichotomy”?
Good points. I think most of the claims pushed in this ‘go broke in FA’ campaign are false.
We do sort of have evidence on the revenue split. Bizofbaseball, whose creator is now at Forbes, says the gross split is 38%, though his site is down. Gross revenue is not split only between players and owners though, which is why the dichotomy can be false. Staff represent a higher share of baseball employees now than ever, and are creating more direct revenue and must also be factored in. CBS and Tony Clark say the net revenue is split roughly 50-50%. These statements about gross and net don’t necessarily conflict. Boras has generally disputed a 50% share for players but may also be referencing gross revenue.
There simply isn’t evidence to say that the player share is declining- so to push that theme is to pretend evidence exists that does not. Related, the union could hardly be guilty of poor CBA negotiation if 2016 and 2019 blow away all spending records and the rolling-3 year average stays at 5% wage growth, roughly even with revenue growth.
I do not believe these points are being put forward on their merits based on studies by the writers.
“There is virtually no other industry where direct labor gets paid 45-50% of revenue.”
Guess what? This one doesn’t either.
What percentage do you think MLB players earn? I would be happy to compare that to other industries and would imagine it is still a much larger fraction. Of course, MLB players have a rare and in demand skill that most direct laborers do not so you may feel they should be paid a higher percentage of revenue, but the structure of contracts offered to MLB players are better in most ways (not just pay rates) than those offered to most people.
All you’ve really pointed out is a fundamental flaw in capitalism. We all deserve the same kinds of protections that baseball players get.
I’d say it is closer to 40. Regardless, should they not get a higher portion? These are not elite insurance salesman, or elite teachers. These people have talents that virtually no one else in the world does.
You might be right. Maybe baseball players should get a higher portion of revenue than do workers in other industries. But that argument rests on the fact that baseball players are different because they have a rare skill. I don’t hear people framing the argument in those terms. They tend to try and make the case that the baseball player is just like other workers, which is not the case.
But see, they are just like other workers in that every single one of them can be replaced at any moment. Sure, you lose a ton of production dropping from a Gio Gonzalez to an AJ Cole, but efficient veteran employees are being frequently traded out for cheaper less experienced/productive models all over capitalism. It’s been going on and on and will continue. When old reliable gets too expensive, it’s subbed out for the cost-saving model at the risk of company-wide short term success. This is not new.
Tony Clark says its roughly 50%-50%. Plenty of sources have validated his claim.
Only Nathaniel Grow (and Boras, and Travis, and Craig) is claiming otherwise, citing a defunct website and purposely misusing gross revenue as well as non baseball related revenue like MLBAM sales proceeds.
You’re exactly right RHDX.
One other thing. There seems to be this underlying attitude or belief amongst the writers and some commenters that they’re owed baseball, and baseball players are owed jobs.
That the players should be able to dictate their terms, and the owners are kind of incidental to the whole process.
These owners are for the most part voluntarily using their own money, and they could decide not to at any time. Keep that in mind.
That’s not really the way industry works. The owners spend money on baseball for the same reason they spend money on any other of their holdings – because it generates more money. The owners will never really stop (or reduce heavily) spending, because if they did all it takes is one of them to say “jeez, if I just offer Mike Trout $10 million a year – which will increase my revenue dramatically b/c he’s a good player – he’s going to sign with me even though we’ve all agreed never to spend more than $5”. It’s cartel logic – it only works as long as everyone follows the rules and stays disciplined. If you flip to the end of script you’ll find that everyone eventually breaks the rules and loses discipline.
Baseball will end when it’s no longer profitable. Which, barring disaster, we are a long, long, long way from. Until then everyone’s going to keep spending money because it makes them more money.
jwa, I don’t mean to seem obtuse or provocative. Just curious: what exactly is your point?
You’re precisely right that the owners are welcome to stop spending their money at any time, and also to stop collecting returns on their money, and the fact that they haven’t is a strong signal that they continue to find it a net benefit to own baseball teams. The notion that they’ll just take their ball and go home if the players upset them too much is frankly just so much boot-licking.
Your statement on labours share of factor income is just false but your tone makes it seem like you researched it.
In most service sectors labour receives more than 50 per cent of returns to factors.
The better question is what is capital doing to earn its 50 per cent share or does that share accrue largely due to the antitrust exemption?
Uhhhhh, try professional services. Labor definitely gets that much or more a percentage of revenue.
What an incredibly obnoxious way to communicate.
The public identifies with owners for a couple of reasons.
1. I think there’s a perception that most team owners got to their position through hard work or some novel idea. That’s something the common man can identify with because he feels it could be him anytime.
The players basically hit the genetic lottery. Most fans know they could never be like a player, and the players attitude is perceived as one of not being thankful for what’s basically a gift.
2. Everybody has a boss. It’s easy to put yourself in your boss’s shoes. Most people don’t get to make a list of demands to their boss and then not show up when demands aren’t met.
I’m not saying any of that perception is correct, but those two things are why people easily side with owners over players.
Exactly. Owners are the ones that “risked” their money and bought a team. It’s been a great investment over the years, but there is a level of risk.
I know this take will suffer from mixed popularity, but people side with owners because they’re the only ones left in the room with the time or money to win arguments. Unions have been destroyed, so no one is left to help working people understand the other side. Owners, there everywhere. Offering the same takes as always. Some good, some bad. Some thoughtful, some willfully ignorant and cruel. No one hears the other side.
Nobody is siding with the owners.
There are zero posts on this site (to the dozens and dozens of articles) that suggest owners should get more money. Not a single post has argued ‘well, owners must have worked hard to get there, so they deserve it..’ or anything like that.
Nearly 100% of posters agree that improving players’ rights is progressive and would be a benefit to the game, making it more enjoyable. The sole disagreement is whether these benefits should go to those long-neglected portions of the work base, or if- for the 100th time in a row- some slick PR work by Boras/CAA ought to steer the benefits towards their clients, risking a strike in the meantime.
Travis/Craig/Nathaniel/Meg/Rian are in the Boras client corner, the posters are not. But no one is saying ‘owners should get 55%.’
Sorry, I was being a bit too unspecific when I said “people.” I wasn’t speaking about readers and writers in these pages, but more broadly about average American citizens (if there is such a thing). The conversation here, as I understood it, was about how difficult it will be for the union to win a public relations war (in the hearts of the maybe imaginary citizens), and I only meant to restate and maybe clarify what has been said else where: that the majority of perspectives on labor relations tilt toward owners because of the successful destruction of labor unions in this country. The well was poisoned, then it was drained. It doesn’t tilt this way because owners have the right ideas. They just have the loudest (and often the only) mics.
Isn’t it strange that people from the working class side with people from the 1%? Any suggestion that they do so because they “know owners worked hard” or because “everyone has a boss” is hopelessly obtuse. Working class people side with the 1% because the 1% have silenced nearly all other voices. Can anyone dispute this? Honest question.
Criticism of a piece like this one for not being true enough to FG form by provide thoughtful data analysis to support the claims are totally valid, but the arguments I’m seeing here about the content of the piece itself, it’s specific claims, are at best disingenuous. At worst, I don’t know what to say.
Down vote if you want, I’ll fold my hands and wait for an answer.
The ownership class in America has successfully conditioned most of us to think that we’re in a zero-sum game with our peers. You see someone getting something that you don’t have, and the impulse is to attack that person as undeserving instead of asking why you shouldn’t get more yourself. This is the psychology behind pretty much all welfare reform, for instance, and it’s also why someone making $30,000 can look at a baseball player getting $30 million but demanding $40 million and resent him, instead of recognizing that maybe he similarly deserves and ought to be demanding $40,000.
Man, I think the MLBPA would LOVE to make the public think that the owners are like their bosses. Maybe it’s easy to put yourself in your boss’s shoes, but isn’t it easier to put yourself in your own shoes, as someone who presumably would like your job to be better?
Apologies if this is not the proper place to raise this but what happened to the print feature on articles?
This is a great read. It’s legitimate to wonder how many of the 30 owners are committed to consistently building a winning team.
Well, for many of them, they’d rather go through a few years of misery to have a chance of something better later, rather than simply existing and running an average team out year after year.
jwa5001 touches on this, and I think it’s something Ms. Rowley missed when wondering why “The Public” tends to side with the ownership over the players. I think the players get screwed in two ways on this issue.
1. As jwa05001 says most people can identify with a “boss”. Most (all?) workers have had one, if not several. In many workplaces you’re not that far removed from ownership. You can see the owner, you know where he lives, the car he drives, clothes he wears, etc. You can understand the business structure of a MLB club. The owner delegates to the GM, GM organizes departments, blah blah blah. MLB owners are, almost certainly, a couple orders of magnitude wealthier than your McDonald’s franchisee, but if you squint a bit you can see some resemblance to people you know.
2. They’re playing a game, and it’s a game which you, Mr(s) Baseball Fan played yourself. If only you’d been supported a bit more in Little League, or if your freshman baseball coach had been able to see past your .125 HBP-driven OBP and seen the true competitor spirit in you, you might have made it to the pros. So how dare Jake Arietta think he won’t take Obscene Amount of Money!
Between the “Owner” being identifiable as a type of person to Jane Q. Public and “they’re being paid to play a game” the players have a real problem.
The players’ union could win over this member of the public by trying to represent the entire playerbase, instead of seemingly actively working to help only one part of it, at the expense of the rest.
To me, it seems like it’s about millionaires (mlb players) vs guys who struggle to receive a living wage (minor leaguers). If it went from being the MLBPA to the professional baseball players’ association, then it becomes much easier to view as millionaires (or simply regular wage earners) vs billionaires. It’d be much easier to be sympatheric to their arguments that millionaires aren’t getting their fair share if they hadn’t actively tried to stop non-millionaires from getting theirs.
Overall I agree with a few of your points. However this following one is quite a bit off base:
The Braves, Marlins, Padres, Phillies, Pirates, Reds, Royals, Tigers, and White Sox are all at various stages of tearing down, tanking, or rebuilding, but none of them seem interested in putting a winning team on the field. A couple of those teams aren’t, that is true. But The Braves, Phillies and Reds could be wildcard sleepers this year, and they are all making their move to be competitive if not this year, the next. Braves have the best farm system in baseball and have been tied to a few of the bigger free agents on the market. As have the Phillies.
One of the reason is that fans are paying ever increasing amounts of money to assist to games played by players who gain increasing millions (pre-arb players notwithstanding). They don’t know the size of the pie of each participate, only that the games get more expensive and their hard-earned money goes to millionaires. They figure that if players were not so expensive, the tickets would be as well. It’s not exactly how it works, but it’s how many see it.
This goes back to Meg’s point about the invisibility of ownership. Our money is being pocketed by owners and mostly isn’t reinvested in the team, but we don’t see the owners so we assume it’s those damn greedy players at fault. It has always been strategically advantageous for the wealthy and powerful to obscure their wealth and power.
The owners have an endless supply of Ivy League interns, whereas the MLBPA has Tony Clark. Who is going to win a battle of wits?
Would the Ivy League interns be able to hit a curveball? Clearly no. But why are the players entrusting their negotiations with business professionals to another player? It just makes no sense.
That’s only half the story.
The other is that Scott Boras (and others) made their reputations negotiating against GMs with HS diplomas and under pressure from fanbases who were inclined to think their team should spend whatever it took to sign the next savior. Nowadays, both teams and fans are much more analytically-rooted, and more inclined to take a “we want to sign him, but only at a price that makes long-term sense” attitude.
MLBPA also has an endless supply of career top-dollar labor lawyers and as many ivy league interns as they’d like.
Anti-factual attacks against Tony Clark do nothing to help the players- there is no evidence he has done poorly. As Jeff said in his recent chat, this 2018 offseason will look normal in hindsight except only for the delay, the contrary talking poitns are just agent spin.
And of course Clark has the players positioned to smash all sorts of records in 2019 offseason, just as they did in 2016 (which being near record levels in 2017 and now in 2018).
Great stuff Meg
The problem is tearing down and rebuilding does work. It has to be done correctly. It requires signing free agents who you think can put perform their past to flip them at the deadline for Jake Arrieta and Pedro strop. It requires being so awful that you get the most money to sign both Eloy and Gleyber in the same class.
Did it suck watching the cubs be awful for four years? Yep but it paid off big time making every game a must watch for the next decade. Cubs fans have never had that before.
The fact of the matter is players wanted concessions on lifestyle things instead of financial concessions. They hired a ball player to represent them. This deal was negotiated in good faith by both sides. It is hypocritical to be pro labor and criticize a deal labor was all too happy to sign up for.
This article was fine but I really hope fan graphs doesn’t turn into another pinko commie rag like baseball prospectus did.
Sorry, what?
What are you confused by so I can answer?
I mean, there’s a lot to unpack here, but let’s start with how it’s hypocritical to be supportive of players who advocate for their biggest possible share, but to also be critical of a deal that they negotiated. If I support my kid because I think she’s thoughtful, caring, wise, shares 1/2 my DNA, whatever, but then she goes out and gets in a car accident playing with her phone, and I say, “Hey! Bad idea! Don’t do that again!” that makes me a hypocrite?
What’s wrong with a writer or observer being supportive of players (personally, politically, philosophically, whatever) and saying players got a bad deal last CBA.
If you don’t like the analogy I’ll make up another one, but throwing around “hypocrite” is starting to annoy me. It’s like the way people throw around “fascist” now. Really, all you’re saying is you disagree with someone or some idea. You sound like someone who has very strong capital P Political beliefs, and are starting to slide toward resentment and name calling. Why?
The union got exactly what they wanted in the negotiation. They wanted lifestyle improvements. They wanted less bus rides in ST and better accommodations. It is completely their fault that they chose concessions on those issues over the revenue portion. They are incredibly hypocritical to after the fact complain about the CBT. If they really cared they probably should have negotiated this point better.
The fact of the matter is that the players chose what was important to you know THE PLAYERS and got concessions on these issues. If you want to be Pro-Labor, you should care about what Labor wanted not some fantasy that you project onto them.
All the deadbeats on Cubs Twitter kept just repeating ad nausea this winter to SIGN SOMEONE. Well it take two to tango. Hell we got articles from folks after Darvish signed that the contract was seemingly un-just.
This doesnt take into account what Darvish wanted from his free agency. He said as much today that if he didnt get an offer he liked he would have retired, but he loves Chicago. Why should he have to hold out to make even more money just to make the pro-labor people happy?
Ok so who is the hypocrite? Before it was the pinko journalists, but now it was the players? Then in the second paragraph it’s a pro-labor observer? You seem very committed to calling any and everyone on the labor side a name (hypocrite) because they did something so daring as critique the last CBA.
The rest of what you’re saying I just can’t follow, sorry.
The hypocrites are the journalists, writers, and players who are complaining about the CBA that the players agreed to. If they didnt want the CBT they should have fought for that. One can not have their cake and eat it too.
Got it, ok. This is what I suspected. I think your committed to name calling, or don’t know what a hypocrite is. Because what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. You’re ignoring how the perception of deals (or anything, for that matter) can change through time. Saying “I think this is a good idea,” then implementing said idea, only to realize it has consequences you couldn’t have predict, which in turn lead you to say, “Oh, wait, that *wasn’t* that good of an idea, perhaps we should reconsider,” doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite. Things change, my dude. And we’re not hypocrites when we change our opinions when presented with new evidence or circumstances.
Weird political twist.
This ‘every team must spend crazy in FA’ meme isn’t progressive, it’s anti-progressive. Attacking Tony Clark and the union constantly isn’t pro-union.
This series of articles aren’t pro-player, pro-union, pro-fans or pro-baseball (as pretended) but is instead merely pro-ESPN and pro-Boras/CAA- corporate propaganda, not political. It’s the same intellectually dishonest, agenda-driven nonsense as Buster Olney/Jim Bowden, but it certainly isn’t progressive.
By now you’ve made your point. Maybe you could refrain from making it again, unless you come up with something new to say?
Honestly, what you’re saying is really hard to track, in this comment and elsewhere. I’m sure we’ll get another chance at this since these pieces will surely keep coming, but I can’t follow what you’re saying. What does anything here have to do with ESPN? Can you explain how Meg’s suggestion that players could invoke the spirit of the game to win support for their upcoming labor dispute has anything to do with Scott Boras? I don’t think she’s right, to be clear, but you’re reply strikes me as non-sensical. Not because I think you’re dumb or crazy (clearly you’re not) but because I’m surely ignorant. Elaborate when you get a second? Thanks.
ESPN is pushing the same themes and has a content partnership agreement of some sort with fangraphs.
Boras/CAA are campaigning against Tony Clark imo, and he has to do it this year before the records all get smashed next offseason. ESPN is giving him and CAA a platform to do so, and the new writers at fangraphs have also been hammering Clark in unison.
Big clubs are also likely jockeying against small clubs for the next CBA negotiation. CBA negotiations are not really ‘owner v FAs’, but rather often play out as Team Money (big club, rich FAs, big agents and big media/sponsors) v Team Poor (staff, major league mins, minor leaguers, small clubs, small agents, small media/sponsors, fans).
This series pushes identical talking points, dressed up as progressive, but actually all to benefit the overpaid without any benefit to the underpaid. The only remotely sympathetic members of ‘Team Money’ in the CBA contest are FAs: a PR campaign for the benefit of big clubs, big agents, or big media/sponsors would only hurt so would never be attempted. So FAs are the only face that the big money interests have for promoting their own via PR.
This series strikes me as a Boras/CAA/big club push against Tony Clark/MLBPA and otherwise jockeying against staff, small clubs and poor/unrepresented players, given platform by ESPN and it’s content partners: and based off of obviously distorted use of information, or often, no information.
This is all typical for baseball media, but usually fangraphs hasn’t been letting these PR campaigns dominate their coverage. Thanks for the thoughtful questions.
As to Meg’s suggestion that the players can invoke the spirit of the game (which is a rather fluff concept) to win the labor dispute: it comes within the context of a ‘tear it down’ critique, when there is a strong argument to be made that the union is doing very well. Boras is at the forefront of the argument that the union has infact failed. Further the ‘win’ being proposed by Meg is that bad clubs be nudged to spend more on FAs – which is what Boras/CAA/Team money want:
“The Tigers and Braves and Royals aren’t a J.D. Martinez or Mike Moustakas away from the playoffs. For fans, though, that isn’t always the point. Sometimes you just want baseball that is slightly less bad, less defeated, less of a farce. Sometimes you delight in the simple joys of competent baseball at the hands of a Jason Vargas.”
The big money (big clubs, big FAs, big agents, big media/sponsors) want small clubs to spend on mediocre FAs- so we see tons of advocacy for this interest. We see comparatively very little advocacy for improving the lot of the underpaid.
I wish the thumbs up/down feature displayed the actual voting. I just bumped this from -1 to 0, but for all I know it could be -35 and +35, which would be a way more interesting window into the comments section.
Thumbs up 1000 times on this. Really wish we could see the actual numbers.
Whoa! Ok, thanks, this is helpful and I see what you’re getting at now and would like to know more. I realize we’re quite lost in the weeds, on an article that will be off the landing page probably later today. I’d like to hear more though. Can you recommend any pieces/sources/evidence that support this idea? Did you draw these conclusions just from watching and paying attention? I’d be curious to hear more from people who see baseball this way. I’ve only been paying attention to the labor side of baseball for maybe four years, and yeah, I’d always thought of it as a labor v. management sort of conflict, hadn’t really thought about the conflict within labor. Thanks.
The union could win over the public by waiting until a problem is actually proven rather than crying because certain contract demands are not being met. Yes, the offseason has been slow, but once everyone signs it is entirely possible that free agent spending will have gone up yet again.
Instead of another round of rehashed question-begging (this article is probably the worst example yet), why not try to discover through analysis if it’s actually true whether there is any material difference in how many teams “seem interested in putting a winning team on the field” (whatever that means) in 2018, compared to, say, the last 20-25 years. Is there is any discernible effect on total payrolls, or in the distribution of payrolls, from the purported decrease in competitiveness among teams? If one analyzed the projections over the last 10-15 years, is it really the case that there is a dearth of “competitive” teams in 2018 compared to the larger sample?
And then, we can see after next year’s off-season spending whether the evidence and analysis holds up, and so on.
Would read.
Sadly, I think that ship has sailed. The type of article you describe is now an internal memo for the Padres, Brewers etc etc. The big problem is that in order to write that article, you have to THINK of it first. And it doesnt seem like the new crop of writers think that way.
I’ll hold out hope that once the season starts we will get more traditional FG pieces and less ESPN style talking head stuff but I’m not optimistic.
There’s one big structural problem to organizing a strike that I think gets ignored too often. These days, the rank and file MLB player makes FAR too much money, and has too much job insecurity, to be interested in risking a significant chunk of income so that superstars have more contract leverage. Even given the off chance that they themselves might have a shot at a big payday some day.
The last time players struck (1994), the minimum salary was $100K … or about $168K in today’s dollars. A player who could hang on for a few years would make enough money to buy a house, maybe sock away some savings.
This year the minimum is $545,000. If a player can hang on for 4 or 5 years, he’s a long way towards being set for life if he handles his money wisely.
If you’re the 0.5 WAR player making the minimum – you’re well aware that the difference between you making half a million a year and being to around 80K (if kept on the 40-man roster) or as little as $2700 a month (if you clear waivers and end up in AAA and off the 40-man roster) isn’t necessarily that big. And thus, you have a HUGE incentive to vote against a strike that could cut your paycheck in a given year, put your accumulation of service time on hold, and allow the guy down in AA or AAA who wants your job to get more developmental time and more attention from the front office while you sit at home.
In short – the Union is in a way a victim of its own success. The player in 1994 who lost his job might fall back on a $50K a year job selling cars or insurance. The player in 2018 who loses his job might fall back on … a $60K a year job selling cars or insurance. Gambling a year’s salary on a chance of making a lot more money if you can hang on till free agency is one decision … gambling what you might make in 9 years outside of MLB on that chance is a very different decision.
Does Wilmer Difo or Sammy Solis or even Shawn Kelley want to risk their livelihoods so that Bryce Harper can make a lot more money next winter? That will be interesting to see.
Hello… Great commentary here …
I do think the article is slanted towards the players here with the assumption that they aren’t getting their fair share. I think its obvious that the MILB players don’t get paid enough… But they aren’t part of the MLBPA … And .. Even if they were, pro sport union history suggests they would be the first under the bus in a new CBA… Most tend to run for the benefit of their stars…not the rank and file…
Also…individual markets can argue perhaps that their team never wants to win and its all about money for owner (looking at you Jeffrey Loria)… But c’mon… You can’t slag the Tigers who basically had a “win now” strategy well past its due date which the players greatly benefitted from. Phillies nit long ago also spent loads .. Etc.
Teams trying to rebuild is not the same as saying the owner likes losing and putting money in their pockets…except Loria… The teams are basically trying to win two three or four years from now… Which doesn’t match up with the aspirations of players necessarily who want to win financially in the nearer future.
“With so many teams in the process of purposely not-winning”
This isn’t true at all. Only Detroit and Miami project under 70 wins. Clubs like KC and SD bidding big on FAs.
The projecting win distribution is normal.
I’m really hoping to see fangraphs authors provide data-based insights, IMO adding more authors to this Travis/Craig/CAA/Boras anti-data PR campaign is a step in the wrong direction.
Further, this series is so tone deaf. None of the audience is failing to see the owners. Instead, much of the audience is seeing the role of the media and agents- who misdirect the progressive support from the audience to Boras clients instead of the people the audience clearly wants to see paid: major league minimum players, staff, minor leaguers, international free agents etc.
Fangraphs writes 3+ articles a week of the same, boring, ‘tears for David Freese’ tone-deaf CAA talking points sheets- and the commentators always say the same: we support improved employee rights for the major league minimum guys, not the free agents. The authors don’t engage on this point at all- not in the comments, not in the articles. Instead 100% of the focus from the Travis/Craig fangraphs articles is put on increasing FA spend.
Even Jeff in his chat admitted that this offseason will look normal in hindsight, other than being delayed.
So a ‘drop the PR campaign’ article would be a welcome break imo. Travis/Craig/Meg/Nathaniel or someone could acknowledge some of these points- either they agree with Jeff that this offseason will see normal amounts of spend other than being delayed, or they could write an article showing how they project the spend to go over the next few months so as to provide a credible analysis of where 2018 spend may fall short on not. Or someone could write an article on pivoting MLB labor relations away from a FA focus and onto issues that the audience and fans clearly care about.
In his last chat, Jeff also dismissed the lack of substance in the ‘tanking narrative.’ He explained how so many writers get caught up in the agent spin. MLB used to have far fewer playoff spots, with the vast majority of teams out of contention and playing for the future by the summer. Parity in baseball is near all time high levels, merely being threatened by the ‘superteams’ that now pair data driven FOs with huge revenue streams. If the projected win distribution is normal- which it is- and if Jeff is downplaying the tanking narrative as being a bunch of agent spin- which it also is- then it’s poor form imo for fangraphs’ authors to be pushing the tanking meme without using any data.
It sucks that you’re so upset, but why don’t you just… not read those articles?
Sure maybe the tone is rough, but why can’t Servo read a piece and publicly say, “I don’t like it, here are specific ways I think it could be different?” We might not agree with Servo’s critique, but it’s thoughtful, detailed, and concrete. Telling him to piss off seems a little reactionary.
Great imagery, Meg. I can feel the green grass, and the summer nights! Thank you.
Maybe stop using old-fashioned labor-vs-management rhetoric when the main point in this increasingly tedious discussion seems to be “JD Martinez has only ONE offer on the table, and it’s only for 5 years/$120 million!”? Stop ignoring the 500-lb. gorilla that JD is “suffering” because the player’s association made several head-scratching concessions in the last round of CBA negotiations? Do people seriously think anybody wants to hear talk of strikes and other possible job actions over these specific issues? This is at the core of whatever problems of perception the MLBPA and their allies have right now–certainly not “jealousy” or “I would play this game for free”, or any of the other red herrings the Buster Olneys of the world have floated out there. Identify the real problems and articulate them clearly: that would at least be a start.
I get the frustration but why direct it here? This piece isn’t about JD or even the FA market. It’s related sure, it’s all baseball, but I think you’re picking a fight the author didn’t start or really invoke.
Your complaint is also addressed with regularity in these pages. It’s not a gorilla in these rooms.
I could have been clearer in my comment, but I think you are being disingenuous here: the only reason Meg is writing about the public perception of the MLBPA right now, when there are no CBA negotiations ongoing, is precisely because of the slow FA market; I chose JD Martinez as an example of that. I will stand by the point I was making: the public will never have “sympathy” for a player who’s upset because he’s getting less of an eight-figure annual salary than his agent is asking for. As for the “gorilla in the room”: yes, lots of people have brought up the concessions the players assoc. made in the last round of negotiations, but we’re still hearing talk of strikes and what have you because of their effect on the current FA market, and FanGraphs insists on running the same article every day on exactly this subject. There are problems with the relationship between the players and the union; salaries at the upper end of the food chain aren’t really part of them: if you can’t “take care of your family” at $25 mil a year because you were expecting maybe $30 mil, that’s on you. At least change the rhetoric.
Maybe we’re just reading different pieces. When I think of the coverage I’ve seen on FG this off season (and yes, it’s different), it does cover the slow free agency spending and look for ways to explain it, and if a reader is tired of that, that’s understandable. But in those pieces (which aren’t as redundant as you make them out to be), the writing on labor unrest is often (if not always tied to the decrease in players share of league revenue. Go back and see for yourself. Meg/Travis/Nathaniel et al. aren’t saying (at least to my eye) that players should strike because JD is getting less this year than he would have last year. *That’s* disingenuous. It’s that the players share has been declining since at least the invention of BAMTech and that if players and the league want to avoid a strike….
….then fill in the blank with whatever that particular piece takes up; in this case, it’s that players can try to help the league avoid a strike by leveraging fan support. You might not like the argument (I wasn’t convinced myself), and that’s totally fine! But you’re missing the point of this and other articles, I think because…actually I don’t know why you’d miss the point.
Yeah the whole baseball world is stuck in this weird complaining loop. “Increasingly tedious” is and apt use of litotes to describe this non problem of a market trying to find itself around one man’s (Boras) outsized influence.
Players are the game. I understand they couldn’t play the game without capital investment, but the reason why we are willing to pay as much as we do for tickets, beer, and parking (and why franchises are worth so much to owners) is because the brand of baseball that a Mike Trout plays is a lot better than a Class A game–which is a lot better than likely any of the Fangraphs readers can play.
I’d like to see baseball unencumbered by labor issues, but I’m not going to begrudge people with extraordinary talents the right to bargain for themselves.
I did not think I was going to like this article, but it is quite excellent. Good work.
The problem is always going to be that the fans are going to dislike whoever is depriving them of baseball games. If players strike over getting 40% instead of 50% of the revenue when 40% of the revenue is life changing money for most of the players, they are not going to get much sympathy from someone who makes $40K. Even the players who are getting paid half a million are not going to get much sympathy, though they will get marginally more sympathy than the multi-millionaires. We all know the owners want to present games as that is the business model. The nature of a strike is the players are explicitly stating that they do not want to play.
While the luxury tax is an issue for a few teams, the larger issue seems to be the 15+ teams not adding any FAs, content to sit on lower payrolls from 2017. And its hard not to think that’s a competitive balance problem, arising from the lack of a salary cap — an issue that the Players union is against and I’d wager owners would be for.
I don’t think I need to spell it out, but small market teams can’t compete head-to-head every year with the large payroll teams, so they pick their spots and spend on 4-6 year cycles. When they have enough of a cheap, young core to benefit from a couple large FA signings, they spend…..otherwise, they sit, collect prospects and try to build that young base. I’d guess that if you had more parity year-to-year, which I’d suggest would come from payroll parity, you’d see more teams spend, but as it is, it doesn’t make sense to small market teams to attempt to compete every year. They’re better off picking and choosing their spots….which it seems more teams are doing.
“…they’re fighting for our game, too.”
No, they’re not. They’re grown-ass men angling to get the best deal they can for themselves. The owners are also grown-ass men angling to get the best deal they can for themselves. For both groups, fans and “the good of game” are secondary considerations.
Treacly romanticism does not aid in the negotiation process.
People always side with the owners over the players because the owners income isn’t reported in the news like the players are. As fans, we see that someone won’t sign for 6/$120M because they want 7/$161M. We don’t subconsciously assume the owner gets the other $41M. The players get the imagery of being spoiled babies because $23M is only $3M more $20M and if you can’t live off of $20M, you’ve got your own set of personal issues to deal with.
It’s all a matter of optics. The only way the MLBPA is going to win a PR battle against the owners is to take the NFLPA’s approach against Roger Goodell. Everyone hates Goodell for a multitude of things, but when you find out he made $44M, people lost their minds.
It is fairly easy to lose your mind over Goodell’s salary when you genuinely think he should be fired for incompetence. Your mileage may vary. That said, the only way the MLBPA is going to be able to pull this off is if the owners make Loria the commissioner.
I think that’s a big part of it, actually. The real financials of all the major sports leagues are extremely cloudy, but doubly so in baseball because of the RSNs et al as opposed to the national TV contracts of the NBA and NFL. Who actually knows how much the Steinbrenner Bros. are pocketing each year? Would it change if we knew it was $20 million or $50 million or $100 million, all simply due to the good fortune of being George’s sons? Probably not, as Americans have been conditioned to hate labor, but at least it would be a comparison point as opposed to the absence of any information whatsoever we have now.
Personally, I was stunned to hear that Goodall was making $40m+ a year. That way, way jumped over my guess – I would have said $8-10 or so. But if he’s making $40, imagine what the owners (i.e. his employers) are making? They would never, ever put him on equal footing with them, so …
This raises the question, what *should* we expect from owners? I’d (genuinely) like to see Meg’s concrete answer to that. “Spend more even in down cycles” seems to be the gist of this, so we fans have a more entertaining product on the field, but there’s budget line drawing that needs to happen somewhere, and there needs to be a recognition that signing players now has impacts on signing players later.
I root for the Brewers. While I’d love nothing more than to have a Mike Ilitch running my favorite team in perpetuity, spending to the dickens, absent that I’m quite happy with an owner in Attanasio who will spend when the team is competitive and otherwise trying to husband resources for when that time arrives. And I disagree with the premise that spending less necessarily equates to less enjoyable baseball. Some of the fun of the last couple years as a Brewers fan has been seeing unheralded young players emerge. I’m frankly more interested in watching young players discover themselves — for better and for worse — than seeing another Matt Garza or Kyle Lohse get signed, to give two real-life examples where the owner pulled strings.
Pirates fans can gripe. Twins fans can maybe gripe. Those teams didn’t spend when they were good. But the teams sitting out this offseason? They’re making smart decisions. I’m not rooting for millionaire players or millionaire or billionaire owners. I’m rooting for smart decisions and long-term thinking, and willing to take the good with the bad that comes with that knowing that I can’t ask for unlimited spending.
One aspect nobody is commenting on is the current injury rate of pitchers and lowered innings by starters, they are increasingly more of a gamble. How many of you think Darvish is going to have 6 productive years in Chicago? These long contracts are risky and hard to unload. Only a few teams can afford to carry large contracts and maintain there roster. The steroid way of building a squad is done. Even the Yankees returned themselves to the playoffs through the farm system, after years of watching players swap teams for $$ why should fans be loyal to them, after all most root for there team first. The MLBPA needs to shoot for a minimum payroll target, that’s the only way I can see maintaining a competitive system for players with a negative consequence for tanking. It would encourage team to bid for marketable players even though the team may not be competitive.
Excellent article. I’ve been pondering for some time how fans of specific teams can overcome their natural allegiance with ownership, and I think this is the answer.
Who are these fans who have “natural allegiance with ownership?” I have yet to meet one.
One thing (probably) distorting the narrative as well right now is that there have been several highly-publicized successful tank jobs. Wait until some team goes on a 5-year run of being terrible and getting a ton of high picks without coming away with a Kris Bryant or a Carlos Correa, let alone multiple versions of them. There are a few teams who may very well be working on that narrative right now.
How did the PGA and NLTA become the organized face of those sports and why cannot the MLBPA do likewise. Getting rid of the owners should not require a “great civil war.” Where is Bernie Sanders when you need him for something important like nationalizing the national past time.
Except that I would claim that fans DO want their teams to tank now. The success of the Astros and Cubs have changed fans’ feelings about their teams being horrible, from “we suck, this is horrible” to “we suck, but imagine how good we’re going to be in 2-3 years because we’re not wasting money now and we’re getting so many good young players.”
Why don’t you ask Padres fans how they feel about what Preller did to that franchise with his 2014-2015 spending spree? But they spent money and tried to make the team better!!
Fans are not opposed to players getting paid a lot. Fans have a much better idea now of what players are actually worth, and are opposed to players getting paid more than that – especially now that nearly every team has been hurt by a big free agent signing.
The only way out of this mess is for players to negotiate earlier free agency, earlier salary increases/arbitration, etc. Just as fans are saying “JD Martinez wants $200 million, that’s crazy!” they will also say “Aaron Judge is only making $600,000? That’s crazy!”.
The way to get fans on the players side is to get more money to the young, talented players who provide the most value to teams while getting paid less than their veteran brethren. MLBPA needs to deliver a bigger piece of the pie to young players, while still allowing teams some control. They also need to stop selling out international players and those not yet in the union.