How to Worry About the Royals
The past weekend did not go well for the Kansas City Royals. They were not only swept during their opening series at home by division rival Cleveland, but the sweep was pretty humiliating. Although the Royals at least managed to make a game of it (including the obligatory Yunibomb) on Saturday, all three games exposed Kansas City’s starting pitching. The Royals do not get any respite — they welcome American League Central favorite Detroit to town today. If they thought Cleveland made mincemeat of their starters…
Some fans may be ready to jump off of the 2012 “Our Time” bandwagon. That is understandable (and we are all fans, so I will not pretend I am not subject to the same emotions), but to be “worried” about the Royals in the aftermath of this weekend’s sweep might sort of miss the point. If one wants to worry about the Royals, point that fretful energy in the right direction.
The best place to begin is by assuaging the “wrong” worries. And that beginning can start with two things that are platitudinous but also correct: a) it is still very early in the season, and (a related but different point) b) the earliness also means we are looking at a small sample size. If you read baseball blogs during the day, I will assume that you do not need those points elaborated further.
However, issues of earliness and sample size are more “don’t worry” points rather than re-directing the worries. When I say that a Royals fan is worrying about the “wrong” thing, what do I mean? I mean they should not worry about the team not contending in 2012. Obviously being a sports fans means you want your team to win all the time, not just “when they have a chance.” Still, despite some of the hype during the off-season (predictably accompanied by an overemphasis on the team’s 2011 Pythagorean record) and the “Our Time” marketing slogan, as I have discussed elsewhere, 2012 is not really the Royals’ year.
Yes, the team has some good young talent, but while Detroit is not perfect and Cleveland is hardly great shakes, those two teams, at least, are both clearly better positioned at the moment than the Royals. That does not mean that Royals fans cannot “want to win” this season. It simply means that to expect the team to contend already this season is unrealistic. The front office seems to understand that, and appears to be looking at 2013 and after.
Rather than worry about a “team” improvement, Royals fans rightly probably want to watch individual players to see how they will contribute in the future. That is a better place to look rather than setting an artificial goal of .500 for the team (as teams do not always become contenders through gradual improvement — the 2007 and 2008 Rays provide a good lesson in this regard). Of course, some individual players who are key to the franchise’s future like Eric Hosmer the recently-extended Alex Gordon are off to slow starts, but again, small sample size, etc. The Royals have a good amount of young talent on the position player side, and while not all of them will “work out” in the next few years, there is enough there that barring really bad luck in general that the Royals are probably okay.
The starting pitching was the main culprit this weekend, of course. Still, in itself, that is not a big deal for a “not a big deal” 2012 season. Everyone knew going into the season that the starting pitching was going to be the Royals’ Achilles Heel this year. The Sanchize and Luis Mendoza may be part of the 2012 plan for now, but we are looking beyond 2012, remember? Yes, it would be nice to win some games, but it is a long season with ups and downs and hot and cold streaks and blah blah blah.
If you want to worry, however, it is the confluence of “future” and “starting pitching” that should be the starting point, however. While some hitters are off to a slow start (and I will go out on a limb and say that Yuni is probably going to regress a bit from his .430 wOBA), between Hosmer, Gordon, Mike Moustakas, and Billy Butler, the Royals should be okay overall. They are not all likely to flail around all season. Wil Myers is hitting well in AA again after an up-and-down 2011, and should be ready for 2013, assuming the team can cut the cord with a certain someone.
But that starting pitching… Again, we knew the 2012 would be bad, so that is not an issue in itself. However, the problem is that other than Danny Duffy, none of the current starters look to have a significant role in a future Royals rotation for a contender. Bruce Chen is… well, let’s leave that alone. Luis Mendoza returned to being himself yesterday, it’s almost as if that great ERA in the PCL last year despite barely striking out five per nine does not mean much. On Friday, Luke Hochevar was horrible, then pretty good, then got hurt. That pretty much is his career in a microcosm, and after all this time, whatever Hochevar might offer, it is not going to be in the top, or probably even middle, of a rotation. Jonathan Sanchez fell apart, too. A pitcher moves out of San Francisco and into the American League and it does not go well?
This is not to criticize the front office for not signing a big long-terms deal with, say, Edwin Jackson or Roy Oswalt. That likely would have been a waste of money give the Royals’ budget and situation. The real problem is that while the Royals did well to put together a stopgap rotation on the cheap, for whom are they keeping seats warm? The Royals still have a great farm system despite the graduations of Hosmer, Moustakas, and Duffy. However, the starting pitching other than Duffy (who probably profiles more in the middle of the rotation than at the top) has not arrived. A couple of years ago, Mike Montgomery was considered to be the Royals best prospect. However, he is off to a bad start in AAA this season. It is early, of course, but it seems to be a continuation of his year-long struggles in AAA in 2011. Looking back at his time in AA in 2010, once can already see the drop-off in performance.
Jake Odorizzi, who came over in the Zack Greinke trade, is off to a nice start in AA. However, like many other KC pitching prospects, he struggled a bit after leaving the pitcher’s haven at Wilmington, and he has some doubters. John Lamb is a favorite of many prospect watchers, but he is still coming back from Tommy John surgery, and, again, without dismissing the favorable scouting reports, was far less impressive at AA.
This is not an exhaustive review of the Royals’ starting pitching at the major and minor league levels. Moreover, I may sound more negative than I intend. Dayton Moore has had his problems, but building a far system has not been one of them. The Royals have wisely followed the strategy of acquiring pitchers in bulk and hoping some will stick. This is emphatically not a criticism of the farm system. And there is clearly some hope there. There is a reason Montgomery was so highly rated in the past. Duffy’s first start of 2012 was impressive (if the problem with walks, which did not exist in the minors, still lingers). Lamb and Odorizzi are worth watching.
However, as always with pitching prospects, even the best laid plans can go awry. Teams can contend without a “true #1 starter,” again, the 2008 Rays are instructive in that respect. This is not meant to be a message of doom. However, this is is a re-direction and a note of caution. The Royals are very unlikely to contend in 2012, so this weekend, small sample size or not, should not be disappointing those hopes.
However, while the relative lack of decent starting pitching in the majors in 2012 is not a big deal in itself, the increasing concerns about the possibility of such pitching coming up from the minors soon mean that it could very well be an issue in the upcoming seasons when the Royals want to make a push to contend. If that starting does not come from the system, it will have to come in free agency and trades, where Dayton Moore has yet to show he can consistently succeed.
If you are going to stay up late this season worrying about the Royals, do not do it wondering if Luis Mendoza is a good Game Three ALDS starter. Do it thinking about Dayton Moore calling Andrew Friedman to inquire about James Shields‘ availability during the off-season.
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Step 1: Watch a Royals game.
Step 2: OH F***
Two questions that both boil down to “when do we start to worry?”:
1) What is a statistically significant sample size for IP and ABs?
I have an idea floating in the back of my head that 1/4 of the season is when we start to watch in earnest- 150 PA or 50 IP.
2) Has anyone started simulations to predict what the margin of difference between making and missing the playoffs will be?
Wins in April count as much as wins in September. How many games back of the wild card leaders are too many games?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-samples-become-reliable/
While I use that article a lot, something confuses me. If both ISO and SLG stabilize, why doesn’t AVG? I know I must be missing something, but isn’t ISO just SLG – AVG?
If a player’s ISO stabilizes quickly while his AVG does not, then it likely means that a player’s AVG causes his SLG to go up (or down) in a fairly proportional manner.
Yea, but his SLG stabilizes too. So SLG and ISO are both stable…but AVG is not.
BABIP doesn’t include HRs, so it’s SLG and ISO are to large degree not subject to BABIP fluctuations, which allows them to stabilize.
It is stabilized when the coefficient of variation descends below a pre-determined value (not stated in the article). In this case, The variance of A minus B can be larger than the variance of A or B.
Thanks monkey business, I think that got it. And thanks everyone else for trying!
No mention of Frenchy?
What is happening to Fangrahps?!?!?!?!
“…assuming the team can cut the cord with a certain someone.”
Who do you think that “certain someone” is?
I’m not overly concerned about the Royals outcomes this early season it is more with some of the decisions being made by Yost/Moore. Resigning Yuni and subsequently burying Giovatella does not bode well for Meyers’ ascension that you mentioned in the article. Then we get in season and Yost is putting Alcides Escobar, Chris Getz, and Jarrod Dyson in the one or two hole. This organization still has some fundamental flaws that are only okay as long as the pipeline from the minors continues to be very strong.
Very nice read on a team I’ve found very interesting over the past couple of seasons.
That being said, I feel the Royals’ window of opportunity is a bit larger than most think. With the very young in Moustakas, Hosmer, and Giavotella, and the prime/pre-prime ages of Gordon and Butler, respectively, the Royals from my best guess have 5 or 6+ years to develop pitching and find it through trades and the FA market. Moore worries me in the latter regard, but I still find this is and will be an exciting team to watch in the coming seasons. As for 2012 though, I agree that it just isn’t very likely.
Good points, but article is full of typos.
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Ha! That would be hilarious to see Dayton Moore try to trade with Friedman for Shields. I would rather see Luis Mendoza starting game three of the ALDS.
They should be doing what the Rays did a few years ago and trade a position player or two for pitching. The Rays smartly moved Delmon Young for Matt Garza.
The problem is ‘smartly’ has rarely been associated with the royals in the last 20 years.
Love this comment and it fits nicely with the original author’s statements. The Royals don’t need to win now, so they can be patient and find a good deal on starting pitching.
I am watching the White Sox the same way. I know they aren’t going anywhere this year, despite the better than expected start. I just want to know things like who is a valuable part and can they get rid of the people that aren’t. Is Sale for real? Can the young arms in the bullpen do the job? Will Gordon Beckham ever be more than a flash in the pan? Can Morel, DeAza and Viciedo hit?
Mostly, how does this team get good again?
This is useful piece on “How” but it demands a preface that explains “Why”
Hosmer and Gordon have a case of the bad BABIPs and Moustakas has shown good power/defense, if he can take a walk every once and a while you have an allstar 3rd baseman. I picked them to win 86 games and nothing has changed my mind so far.
Predicting them to win 86 games was absolutely absurd. If you did that, you are either a total homer or you don’t watch the team actually play baseball.
It’s true that Gordon has been both unluckly and extra-strikeouty. Hosmer, on the other hand, has the problem that he will continue to have until he leaves as a FA for an organization that values having professional ABs. His 3 pitch AB in the bottom of the 9th on Saturday was a prime example. Just swinging from his heels in a tie game. Ned Yost insisting that Dyson steal 2B on a pitcher whose move was so good he was afraid to get a lead against was not helpful, of course. But It’s one in a long line of horrible, terrible, no good decisions by Yost on his way to being fired by June. Hosmer’s development as a hitter is far more important.
Forgot to make a point in the optimist’s favor. All series long all Royals pitchers were just grooving belt high fastballs. The four guys in the middle of that lineup do not miss that pitch (apparently Hafner doesn’t hanging CBs either). Either this is a fluke and they are simply much better than they pitched this weekend, or Dave Eiland has made some changes that the entire pitching staff is not doing well with. I can’t remember the last time I saw an entire major league staff just grooving FB’s over a few game stretch like that.
Oh wait, yes I can, it was last year’s Royals. And the 2010 club. And 2009 …
My concern with the Royals has to do with the number of prospects they need to “pan out”. In short they need an unreal tic number of their top prospects to succeed .. and they need them to succeed at the same time 2013-2014.
Montgomery and Lamb were two “locks” and they’ve already experienced big setbacks (IMO).
How good does the pitching even really need to be?
Let’s say upside for Moose/Hosmer is Zimmerman/Votto (which would be ridiculous), they wouldn’t need that good of a staff to contend. Their pen has quite a few really good young arms too. Collins is one of my favorites to watch.
What is the middle of the road prediction for Moose and Hosmer?
If you have a great offense and if the division sucks, which I think the AL Central will over the next few years given that Detroit is in a “win now but we’re screwed in 3 years” situation, your SP doesn’t have to be stellar.
IMO what they should do is what the Rangers did in 2010. You have “good enough” pitching and a stacked farm. Get a true number 1 ace any way you can. Anchor the rotation with that guy. Maybe sign him long term.
Of course the big difference is the DFW metroplex is huge and KC is not so huge. So that might throw a wrinkle in the plans. I guess the other option is to be as smart as the Rays. Donno which is harder to do, grow KC to the size of DFW or to suddenly make DM as smart as the guys in St. Petersberg.
It’s the same problem rearing its ugly head – GMDM can build a minor league system like nobody’s business, but is completely clueless when it comes to filling out a major league roster.
This makes me think my (okay, I’m probably not the first to think this) theory of stats vs scouts. I believe that it’s better to scout amateurs and young players because you don’t have a baseline group and they project differently. I believe it’s better for stat people with established big leaguers because you can make sense of the stats. If a guy hits 30 home runs in the AL Central, you basically know what kind of player he is and if he’s 31 you have a general idea of how he’s going to project. If you have a kid who hits a lot of home runs in high school, it’s hard to look at stats.
This is why Moore is the way he is. Francoeur is a guy scouts like. Moore likes Francoeur. Francoeur was a top prospect at one point.
KC should put Moore in charge of player development and hire someone else for the big league side of things.