How Well Do Good Relievers Hold Up?

Many of us went to bed thinking about the Dodgers’ trade for Manny Machado. Many of us then woke up and turned our attention to the Indians’ sudden trade for Brad Hand and Adam Cimber. Travis Sawchik just wrote about the trade at length. Read that, if you’re looking for specifics. Read that, if you’re looking for an explanation of why the Indians gave up a consensus highly-rated prospect. I don’t know what’s actually going to be left for the trade deadline itself, but this has all made for a delightful All-Star week.

From the Indians’ side, this isn’t just about 2018. It’s about 2018 and beyond, because, this coming fall, Andrew Miller and Cody Allen will become free agents. Hand is under contract through 2020, and there’s a club option for 2021. Cimber only just made his debut on March 29. The Indians are thinking both short- and longer-term, and they believe they now have a couple bullpen stalwarts. This is a huge boost for this coming October, but this also reduces the team’s urgency to build out the pen over the winter. The most important pieces might already be in place.

Thinking about the Indians’ side has made me wonder something. Is there actually such a thing as a long-term good reliever? My instinct for a while has been that teams out of the race should try to cash in their good relievers, because the position is just so volatile. I’ve been thinking about nearly every reliever as a short-term value. I wanted to see what the numbers actually say. So here are the results of a quick little study. It didn’t go exactly how I thought.

I isolated the previous decade, looking at the window from 2007 – 2017. Since numbers for relievers alone are no good without context, I looked at position players, starting pitchers, and relievers. I decided to see how often players at different positions would repeat their performances, by which I mean, how often they’d exceed certain performance thresholds. Over the window, for player-seasons with at least 250 plate appearances, about 24% of position players reached 3 WAR. For player-seasons with at least 50 innings in the rotation, about 23% of starting pitchers reached 3 WAR. For player-seasons with at least 30 innings in the bullpen, about 21% of relief pitchers reached 1 WAR. My WAR thresholds, then, were 3, 3, and 1. I think they work well enough, and, everyone appreciates integers.

I looked one year out, and two years out. So, for position players, I looked at everyone who reached at least 3 WAR in a year between 2007 – 2016. Out of those players, 48% of them reached at least 3 WAR the following year. Meanwhile, out of everyone who reached at least 3 WAR in a year between 2007 – 2015, 40% of them reached at least 3 WAR two years later. I repeated this kind of analysis for pitchers.

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For starting pitchers, using WAR, I found a 52% repeat rate for the following year, and a 42% repeat rate for two years later. I also looked at the RA9 version of WAR — the version that’s based on actual runs allowed. Using RA9-WAR, I found a 44% repeat rate for the following year, and a 37% repeat rate for two years later.

For relief pitchers, using WAR, I found a 45% repeat rate for the following year, and a 32% repeat rate for two years later. Using RA9-WAR, I found a 43% repeat rate for the following year, and a 33% repeat rate for two years later.

It might be annoying to read all that text, so here’s the same information in easily consumable table form:

Performance Repeats, By Position
Position Threshold Year 2 Year 3
Position Player 3+ WAR 48% 40%
Starting Pitcher 3+ WAR 52% 42%
Starting Pitcher 3+ RA9-WAR 44% 37%
Relief Pitcher 1+ WAR 45% 32%
Relief Pitcher 1+ RA9-WAR 43% 33%

The numbers for relievers are better than I thought they would be. My instinct has been that relievers just break down or get worse, and the sustainable ones are the exceptions. Relievers do look the least reliable in the table, but just not by very much. Relievers get worse, but so do starters and hitters. Two years out, only a third of relievers have stayed above the WAR threshold, but the difference between a third and two-fifths isn’t as dramatic as I figured the research would turn up.

It should be clear this isn’t conclusive. You could put together a much better study, if you had more time to work with, and maybe relievers really break down three years out. Also, this kind of analysis treats every performance above the given threshold the same, even if someone’s WAR were to go down by, say, 50%. I don’t think that has a major effect on the outcome, but I could be wrong. Additionally, it’s been suggested to me that there might just be a core group of elite and reliable relievers. Outside of them, perhaps the rest of the player pool is incredibly volatile. It’s possible! But one might suggest the same thing about elite starters and elite position players. Every position has a highest tier of players. Those are the players we should believe in the most, with the other players seeming more interchangeable.

To get back to the main question: Good relievers don’t seem to hold up as well as other players, but the differences in the rates are pretty small. Maybe the real takeaway is that most good players, regardless of position, look worse a couple years later, but as far as the Indians are concerned, Hand and Cimber are real long-term players, nearly similar to how Francisco Lindor and Jose Ramirez are real long-term players. Of course, Hand and Cimber are worse than Lindor and Ramirez, but the fact that they’re relievers isn’t as damning as I had suspected. Hand might get injured throwing any given pitch. Cimber’s funky delivery might get figured out throwing any given inning. There is legitimate risk, if only because there’s risk with every pitcher. Talent, though, has staying power. The Indians aren’t wrong to look beyond 2018, because Hand and Cimber are good relievers *now.*





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
7 years ago

“Good” yes. “Great” no. My objection is that “good” isn’t all that exciting when it comes to postseason relievers. It’s one thing to trade a top prospect for Aroldis Chapman. It’s a lot less exciting to trade one for a couple of guys with projected ERAs a run higher than Chapman. It’s all well and good that Hand and Cimber are as likely as the next guy to maintain their current level of goodness. That isn’t why the Indians should have traded a top prospect for them though.

OkraMember since 2016
7 years ago

Great post, Jeff! Very enlightening as I had similar thoughts and expectations regarding RP volatility.

Pwn Shop
7 years ago

Maybe another good way to do a comparison is to look at the correlation between the year 1 WAR rank to the year 2 WAR rank etc. If you did this for all the categories (starters, position, relievers) you would see how reliably the WAR rank from one year compares to another year, thereby how ‘reliable’ they are.

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

Reliability as a function of talent level.
Might offer some clarity.

Pwn Shop
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Right. If high-rankers remain high-rankers, it is reliable and the correlation will be high.

beasterMember since 2018
7 years ago

Loved the post Jeff! One that reminded me of the style that was common here in years begone

Mike NMN
7 years ago

Great post. So, how do you value performance in both length of contract and AAV? Are the highest paid relievers way overpriced? Or is the mis-pricing in the good but not great cadre?

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
7 years ago

This is an interesting quick study. I would be curious to see age and usage as well. By usage, I mean, number of innings as a good reliever. It could be that the league “figures out” relievers faster because they generally have a smaller arsenal.

hahigginsMember since 2018
7 years ago

Is the third column is % who maintained 3+ WAR for Years 1, 2, and 3, or is it % who achieved 3+ WAR in Year 1 and 3? (Either seems plausible to me on first thought.)

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc PedersonMember since 2025
7 years ago

Thanks for the excellent post, Jeff. Here’s some additional durability data, this time just comparing starters & relievers.

Last year 52 MLB relievers threw at least 65 innings, and only 35 starters threw at least 180 innings.

But things change dramatically when we look at multiple seasons. For instance, from 2015-17, a total of just 19 relievers averaged 65 innings, but 23 starters averaged 180.

And from 2013-17, 24 starters averaged 180 innings — yes , more guys averaged 180 for 5 years than they did for 3. And how many relievers were able to average 65 innings, over that 5-year period? Just 9.

Obviously it’s much easier to keep starting pitchers healthy over the long haul, because you can control their workloads so much more precisely. Just one of the many reasons why I really, really HATE what St. Louis is doing with Jordan Hicks. Kid should’ve stayed a starter.

aweb
7 years ago

But a lot of teams don’t even try to get their best relievers to 65 innings. 12 of 30 top WAR relievers in 2017 didn’t make it to that threshold. Or looking at it another way, 5 of the top 10 Saves leaders (not necessarily the most valuable, but typically the relievers teams think is their best) didn’t make it 65 innings in 2017.

I don’t have a great handle on “expected” starter workloads anymore though. As recently as 2016 90% of the top 20 starters by WAR surpassed 180 IP, usually comfortably. Last year though 3 guys were in the top 10 (for starters) with less than 180 IP, and 10 of the top 30. Only 34 guys made it to 180 IP at all in 2017. Jumping to the darkest past (2014) there were 66.

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  aweb

Bullpen “innings” sort-of count.
For relievers and especially the best relievers on a given team, the pitches thrown warming up add up to a bigger fraction of their weekly exertion than for a starter. Especially is they get up to warm up more than once. There is a hidden multiplier so 60 innings might be the equivalent of 120 or even 150.

Plus, teams try not to use their best relievers too many days in a row. For a pitcher working all out like most of today’s hard throwers, a full inning two days in a row needs a day or two of recovery so managers want to protect them as much as possible to be able to use them in closer games.

The prep and workloads are different which is why young pitchers moving from the pen to the rotation often get sent down to “stretch out” under less stressful workloads.

Magician_531
7 years ago

I think that part of why relievers get this reputation is because their careers don’t last as long. They may be able to effectively pitch for the length of their contract, but how many relievers do you know who really lasted a full fifteen or twenty years with a brilliant peak and effective pitching for the rest of their career? You can probably name the handfull. How many lasted 15 or 20 years and were truly dominant for the entire time? Just Mo. I think that’s why relievers have this reputation. They really can last for 5 and even ten years, but they aren’t guys who we talk about for two decades and speak about their greatness.

rhdx
7 years ago
Reply to  Magician_531

How many players in the last 40 years have been truly dominant all 20 years? Maybe 5 guys?

Magician_531
7 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

A can name a whole bunch who were at least good for the better part of fifteen years. I can’t do that for relievers.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
7 years ago

The leverage correction to reliever WAR gives them a source of year to year correlation in WAR that other players don’t have. A “proven closer” will be used in higher leverage situations, as long as he remains above average this will increase his WAR in future years. Thus for relievers (but not other players) being good one year increases the expected WAR in future years by a mechanism that does NOT require that the pitcher actually repeat his performance, but just that he be above average.

Thus I don’t think WAR is actually a good stat to use when trying to determine if relievers have a consistent performance, I think some other combination of xFIP and innings pitched should be used (basically, I think you need a reliever WAR that doesn’t include the leverage correction).

We think of WAR as context neutral, and you want a context neutral stat for this sort of comparison, but reliever WAR is not actually context neutral.

dmritcheMember since 2018
7 years ago

Bill James did a similar article on starting pitchers performance year-over-year and the results were about the same

GoNYGoNYGoGo
7 years ago

Interesting article Jeff.

For your study, would it have been better to utilize WPA for relievers rather than fWAR?