I Guess Now Trevor Cahill Is Good
Before the start of the year, the Padres’ starting rotation was the butt of so many jokes. They essentially had to build it out through free agency, but not even through the appealing parts of free agency. More like the Jered Weaver parts. Here and there, there was occasional speculation the Padres could go on to have one of the worse rotations in recent memory. At the same time, people held the Cubs in the conversation for having maybe the best rotation around. It was certainly one of the best a season ago. Why would anything change? Cubs good. Padres bad. These statements were inarguable.
We’ve completed just a sixth or so of the season. You should be sticking to many of your preseason thoughts. But let me just show six numbers. Here’s how the Cubs’ rotation has done:
- ERA-: 109
- FIP-: 109
- xFIP-: 94
And here’s how the Padres’ rotation has done:
- ERA-: 106
- FIP-: 106
- xFIP-: 95
The Padres are basically right in the middle in WAR. It’s been a mixed bag of results, but overall it’s been fine, even slightly more effective than the Cubs. It’s a strange place for us to be, and surprising group effectiveness is driven by surprising individuals. Trevor Cahill has earned a front-page post.
Cahill is one of three Padres starters signed to basically identical one-year contracts worth $1.75 million. Cahill was a starter with the A’s, and then he became a starter with the Diamondbacks, but then he became a reliever with the Diamondbacks, and his career changed course. Cahill mostly relieved in 2015. He mostly relieved in 2016. The Padres brought him in to start again, and although he’s done that only five times, this is a fairly telling table:
| Season | IP | K-BB% |
|---|---|---|
| 2009 | 178.2 | 2% |
| 2010 | 196.2 | 7% |
| 2011 | 207.2 | 7% |
| 2012 | 200.0 | 10% |
| 2013 | 142.2 | 6% |
| 2014 | 87.0 | 9% |
| 2015 | 12.1 | -3% |
| 2016 | 5.0 | 6% |
| 2017 | 30.0 | 21% |
Cahill is still turning out plenty of grounders. But he’s also missing bats like never before, which I don’t think anyone was counting on as he shifted back to longer appearances. This isn’t a situation where Cahill has suddenly added velocity. It doesn’t even seem like a situation where Cahill has added a brand-new pitch. He’s just…better, better with his repertoire, and here’s a plot I decided to make, showing frequency of plate appearances getting to two strikes, and also the frequency of those two-strike plate appearances resulting in strikeouts. Cahill’s the blue dot.
The Cahill point doesn’t stand out. No one’s trying to make the argument that Cahill is a singular freak, or the very best pitcher around. But Cahill ranks in the upper sixth in getting to two strikes. He also ranks eighth in turning those two-strike counts into strikeouts. Both rates for Cahill are very easily career highs. Similar pitchers this season include Michael Pineda, Jacob deGrom, and Lance McCullers.
Out of all 135 guys with at least 20 innings under their belt, Cahill’s 10th in strikeout rate. He’s seventh in contact rate, and eighth in adjusted xFIP, between Clayton Kershaw and James Paxton. For a clue of how this is happening, you needn’t look much beyond Cahill’s plate-discipline numbers. How have hitters handled themselves with Cahill on the mound? Here is the key to basically everything:
| Pitcher | O-Swing% | Z-Swing% | Z – O-Swing% |
|---|---|---|---|
| Trevor Cahill | 38% | 49% | 12% |
| Michael Pineda | 42% | 62% | 20% |
| Brandon McCarthy | 35% | 56% | 20% |
| Lance McCullers | 33% | 56% | 22% |
| Zack Greinke | 38% | 61% | 23% |
| Tyler Skaggs | 34% | 59% | 24% |
| Dan Straily | 36% | 60% | 24% |
| Jordan Montgomery | 37% | 62% | 25% |
| Alex Wood | 33% | 57% | 25% |
| Tommy Milone | 35% | 60% | 26% |
Only five pitchers have gotten a greater rate of swings at pitches out of the strike zone. That’s good. No pitcher has gotten a lower rate of swings at pitches inside the strike zone. That’s also good! The difference between the two rates, for Cahill, is 12 points. That’s more than eight points better than the next-closest point. Cahill, in a way, is doing what Andrew Miller has done: He’s made hitters aggressive at all the wrong pitches.
There’s no one perfect, all-encompassing explanation, but here’s something that goes a long way. Cahill has a sinker. He also has a slider and a changeup. But here’s how he’s used his curveball:
More curveballs this year than ever before. And now here’s how the curveball has done:
Also more whiffs than ever before. More whiffs, despite an increase in frequency. When hitters have offered at Cahill’s curve, they’ve missed the ball more than half of the time. It’s a dangerous breaking ball, and Cahill’s used it to great effect.
Hitters have swung at Cahill’s curve more than ever. They’re making their worst rate of contact. When Cahill’s thrown a curve in the zone, hitters have swung 43% of the time. When Cahill’s thrown a curve out of the zone, hitters have swung 46% of the time. You’ll recognize how sloppy that makes the hitters look. Cahill’s just had that curve working, and here you can see Nolan Arenado not really know what to do:
Curveball, surprising called strike. Later in the game, Cahill weaponized the pitch for a punch-out:
There’s another key buried in there. I mentioned that Cahill is better about getting to two strikes. That’s a function of a handful of things. But with two strikes — maybe that’s where the biggest adjustment has been made. Last year, with two strikes, Cahill threw 12% curveballs. For his career, with two strikes, he’d never before exceeded 20% curveballs. This year, with two strikes, Cahill’s thrown 43% curveballs. It’s become easily his preferred putaway pitch, taking the place of the changeup, and hitters have had a devil of a time. For five starts, Cahill has had that curveball working. Promising results have been closely linked.
It’s never been easy to trust Cahill as a strike-thrower. It’s because he’s never thrown that many strikes. Even now, it’s not like he’s constantly getting ahead. But he has the best curve he’s had in his life, and the sinker hasn’t betrayed him. The slider and changeup are there to keep hitters honest, and so we have a legitimately good Trevor Cahill to consider. Through the season’s first month, Cahill has warped his opponents’ collective sense of the strike zone. Should that continue, the Padres’ rotation will keep on over-achieving. And Cahill himself will become a popular conversation topic in July.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.



And the award for the most unconvincing headline of the year goes to…
By the way, this is not a complaint. I like this a lot better than a click baity headline proclaiming something as a certainty.
Or worse yet, a question. Or the absolute worst, a list (“10 Ways This Pitcher is Better Than He Was Last Year. Doctors Hate Him. You Won’t Believe What Happened Next.”)
I can’t stand the suspense . . . TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED NEXT!
Though people like to joke about the padres ignoring analytics it seems that that has played huge role in some of the reclamation finds.
Brad Hand: less fastballs, way more sliders
Pomeranz: less fastball, way more curves
Cahill: Less fastballs, more curves
And it’s obvious they are strongly implementing launch angle things
Good point. The pattern with the Padres HAS been fewer fastballs and more off-speed pitches, especially of the sudden sinking variety. The only non-practitioner is Jered Weaver, but you could say his fastball IS an off-speed pitch, except it doesn’t sink.
One point about the Padres staff performance: it’s actually worse on the road, but much better at home. The Padres played 18 road games so far, and only ten home games, but even standard measures like ERA show a wide split: 3.52 at home, 5.10 on the road. That can’t possibly continue, the “home cooking” argument goes only so far.
You are looking at a non significant sample. Also at time of your post 4 of Weaver’s 5 starts had been on the road, and all the low leverage bullpen arms pitch in his games. You are looking at mostly randomness and bit of circumstance, it’s going to regress in both directions
It’s not as if the Cubs are analytic slouches though, in fact Mike Montgomery has gone through the exact same treatment, ditching the FB for the CV… so a lot of Cub fans are scratching our collectives heads over this one. I mean we’re happy for Cahill don’t doubt that, but still lots of head scratching
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Posted this morning in the Roto writeup:
https://goo.gl/QjYjkz
Heres the chart of xWoba vs swinging strike rate on baseball savant
Bottom right quadrant is good
Cahill is elite by this metric and in pretty good company.
This is fun, but when will we get the, “I Guess Jason Vargas is Good, Ugh” article? How much longer, Jeff? Inquiring minds need to know.
Also, I feel like we’ve been fooled by Cahill before. I feel like there was a time some thought he was on his way to becoming an ace-reliever, but then he was just sort of a meh reliever. I may be remembering someone else though.
Favorite GM for Fangraphs to hate on? When did Dayton Moore start running the Padres?
Dayton Moore? LMOA!!!!!!
You haven’t gotten the deal half as bad from the stat heads here as I have. Even though you deserve it, dumbass.
Moore got panned at the beginning, deservedly so…but that improbable world series run has shut us up. Without Amaro, Stewart, Terry Ryan, and Zduriencik to kick around there aren’t any consistent punching bags anymore.
Dumb ass is 2 word’s, dumbass.
words, not word’s, dumbass.
Point of order(?): a punch-out is a called third strike.
I actually did wonder about this and regret my mistake
Darren Balsley certainly has to be a part of this discussion, and perhaps Austin Hedges belongs in there as well. Balsley has a long track record of overhauling pitchers, and he typically doesn’t mess with mechanics a whole lot. It has more to do with pitch selection and preparation. He’s pitching to an almost-rookie catcher who is steadily climbing the defensive rankings due to his framing, pitch calling, blocking, and other skills. The recipe is working for Cahill. Chacin and Richard have had some brilliant moments as well. Too bad Balsley doesn’t have a trick to add 10mph to Jered Weaver’s fastball!
I hate to say it, but the home runs he gives up will only travel farther.
Average spin rate on the curveball is about 3000rpm.
Jeff, do you ever do an accounting of how many of these types of pieces end up picking out players that are more than just small-sample-size standout performances? I.e. real breakouts?
I’ll echo the commenter “Los” above, I still enjoy seeing these, but I do feel like I end up with many wrong opinions on players (mostly marginal reliever types) because of believing your stuff a bit *too* much.
Once sold a nice lot of Bowman Cahill Rookie Cards on ebay to whom I’m pretty sure was Trevor’s mom — of course he’s still GOOD…
Why so many down votes and hate for this post? It’s a hot take and I love it! Calling out the past writings now that they are starting to praise. This post is high energy.
I was playing around with Baseball Savant and their xWOBA stat. Wanted to see the pitchers who have the lowest xWOBA off of them. For pitchers who have pitched to at least 100 batters, Trevor Cahill is 10th on that list with an xWOBA off of him of .265. Top 10 also includes Sale, Kershaw, Scherzer, Greinke, and Syndergaard.