Seattle Looking Again for Expensive Marginal Upgrade?

Last December, the Seattle Mariners signed Robinson Cano to a contract worth slightly more than the GDP of all Palau. Insofar as Cano had been good previously and seemed likely to continue that trend for the time being, the move wasn’t an illogical one.

But acquisitions don’t occur in a vacuum, either. While it’s generally the case that a club will draft the best talent available, it’s also true that free agency is utilized primarily as a means by which to address a club’s weaknesses or positional holes. And among the Mariners’ weaknesses entering the 2014 season, the second-base position wasn’t the most urgent. In fact, one could reasonably argue that second base was a strength. For example, the ZiPS projections for Seattle, published here at the end of last December, rated Nick Franklin as the third-best position player on the club, with a 3.2 WAR, behind only Kyle Seager (3.7 WAR) and Brad Miller (3.2 WAR). Corey Hart and Logan Morrison and Justin Smoak, meanwhile — all expected to play major roles in a corner-outfield/first-base role with the club entering the season — were projected to produce just one win a piece.

This, of course, didn’t deter Jack Zduriencik et al. from signing Cano, nor did it prevent Cano from playing excellently. In the first year of that enormous contract, Cano produced a 136 wRC+ and 5.2 WAR — numbers which mostly approximated his established levels to date. And, for the most part, the Mariners were competitive, finishing just short of a postseason berth. As compared to the club’s most recent four seasons, over which they’d averaged just 69 wins, the 2014 campaign was a rousing success.

And yet, the weaknesses anticipated by the projections manifested themselves as real-live weaknesses, as well. Logan Morrison recorded a 1.0 WAR in 365 plate appearances — slightly better, that, than his projection. Corey Hart (-1.2 WAR, 255 PA) and Justin Smoak (-0.3 WAR, 276 PA), however, underperformed their already modest projections. Multiple experiments with other outfielders (Endy Chavez, James Jones, Stefen Romero) all ended up in negative WAR figures, as well. For whatever marginal gain Cano provided over Franklin — two or three wins, according to the projections — those same wins were lost by an outfield corps that lacked depth.

All of this is relevant now, as it appears as though the Mariners are once again exhibiting interest in an expensive free agent to replace a much cheaper, yet still reasonably productive in-house option.

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As was the case with Cano, it’s demonstrably true that Hanley Ramirez is good. Steamer, for example, projects him to record a 3.3 WAR over about 600 plate appearances in 2015. Not the level of Cano, that, but certainly above average. The problem, however, is this: both the Mariners’ third- and fourth-best position players, according to Steamer, are shortstops, as well. Brad Miller and Chris Taylor are projected to record WARs of 3.2 and 2.9, respectively, per 600 plate appearances in 2015 — numbers which the reader will recognize as very similar to Ramirez’s, at a fraction of the cost. So, unlike in the case of Cano and Franklin, where the former would merely be replacing the latter, the Mariners actually appear to have a surplus of shortstops, and — according to reports, at least — are actively pursuing another one. And the marginal gain in wins for that shortstop whom they’re pursuing is, at best, probably a win — a win that would cost $18 or more million per year in the form of Hanley Ramirez and unnecessarily render one or two talented position players as trade bait.





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wiggly
11 years ago

I heard that Hanley was open to a position switch. So instead, maybe he’ll replace that miserable shlub, Kyle Seager. THEN who’s the foolish one?

Spencer JonesMember since 2020
11 years ago

Hanley is open to playing anywhere, not just 3B or SS, it’s very possible Seattle uses him to help solve that Corner OF/1B/DH/RH Bat Dilemma by DHing or LFing him.

joser
11 years ago
Reply to  Spencer Jones

“Let’s spend offensive-short-stop money on an injury-prone guy on the wrong side of 30… and then ask him to play a different position.” Granted, that is the kind of thing I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Mariners do, but I like to imagine the gears of baseball history have a ratchet, and so expect teams to get smarter over time, not dumber.

Basebull
11 years ago

I’m pretty sure this is all smoke and no fire, but then again the FO surprised us once. No VMart may increase the urge to do something stupid with HanRam.

Jerry
11 years ago

Am I the only one who finds it HIGHLY unlikely that Franklin would have come anywhere near 3.2 WAR in 600PAs?

That projection was highly bullish. It seems to me that many projections for prospects overly enthusiastic.

Nathaniel Dawson
11 years ago
Reply to  Jerry

Not the only one. I like Franklin quite a bit as a young player, but I wouldn’t have expected anything near that. Nor would would I expect both Miller and Taylor to be capable of putting up around 3 WAR each in full-time play.

Matt
11 years ago

I think the Mariners should explore a possible trade for Chris Davis. The O’s don’t want him. The Mariners don’t have a 1B. Maybe something involving Ackley + more or Miller. He hits homers and Jack Z. DIGS the long ball.

I think it would be interesting if they were in on Tulo too. They would have to give up Walker and Miller I think. But they could…

Happy Fun Ball
11 years ago
Reply to  Matt

I’m sure it wouldn’t happen, but the O’s could stand for an upgrade at 2B. Ackley, Miller, or Taylor could certainly fit the bill there.

Hell, combine that with a HanRam signing and the Ms lineup would look pretty darn good.

hookstrapped
11 years ago
Reply to  Happy Fun Ball

The O’s are committed to Schoop. He’s a plus defender (important to maintaining that favorable FIP/ERA discrepancy) and they think his bat will come around. He’s still very young.

Random Guy
11 years ago
Reply to  Matt

The Mariners are so overloaded with lefty bats right now, I doubt they’ll be looking to add another one like Davis unless they’re made an offer they can’t refuse. Right now the 2-6 spots in the order go to Ackley, Cano, Seager, Saunders and Morrison (their first baseman, who outhit Davis in 2014), all left-handed. They need one or two right-handed hitters to break that up. That’s why they were rumored to be going after V-Mart and why they’re talking about Hanley now.

Ben HallMember since 2016
11 years ago

While I wouldn’t put it past Seattle to acquire Hanley to play short or even third, Jon Heyman said Friday that he was apparently willing to play anywhere.

schneidlerMember since 2016
11 years ago

Noooooooooo please. When will the M’s get a great GM? I’m 40 and haven’t really seen one yet unless you count Pat Gillick who presided over the 116 win team in 2001.

Captain Obvious
11 years ago
Reply to  schneidler

Why would you not count Gillick?

joser
11 years ago

Because he burned down the farm system and left before it came back to bite him?

JayT
11 years ago
Reply to  joser

But he also gave you a four year run where the Mariners averaged more than 98 wins. I think a bad farm is a decent tradeoff.

Corey
11 years ago

The idea that cano is a marginal upgrade over cano is laughable. I Couldnt care less how he hits in aaa he can’t hit major league pitching. Dude was awful.

Corey
11 years ago
Reply to  Corey

Upgrade over Franklin *

Anthony
11 years ago
Reply to  Corey

Dude hasn’t gotten full-time chances. He may yet not hit MLB pitching, but Tampa Bay certainly buys into him, enough to acquire him alongisde Adames and Smyly as a Price return, at least.

Jonathan
11 years ago

100% agree with this post.

Jonathan
11 years ago

anothermarinersblog.com/2014/11/10/old-men-and-old-habits-jack-hanley-and-the-2015-seattle-mariners/

The worst M’s position by a mile was DH, at -2.1 WAR. It would be interesting, if they’re really THAT into Hanley, to let him DH and see what happens.

draftypants
11 years ago

I feel like the majority of free agent signings can be classified as “expensive marginal upgrades” with the notable exception being teams that sign their own free agents in which case they are expensively treading water.

Launch Ballman
11 years ago

Maybe if you keep saying “Brad Miller is actually a good player” enough times, eventually it will come true.

Ruben Amaro. Jr
11 years ago

At least signing Francoueeoeur (spelling?) fills a big need for us.

Alex Steers McCrum
11 years ago

Worth noting also is that Cano was a higher-impact player than those available for the M’s OF needs last year. Signing him allowed the team to deal Franklin for Austin Jackson…which turned out horribly, but not predictably so. That situation seems likely to turn around next season.

Signing Hanley could work out similarly, as, like Cano was, he’s a higher-impact bat than this year’s free agent outfielders: he plays SS next year, turns Miller into trade bait while Taylor seasons in the minors. Next season (or whenever Taylor’s ready), Hanley shifts into the OF (or perhaps DH or 1B).

To be fair, assuming the M’s will follow a logical plan has been an exercise in futility and embarrassment for quite some time now…but the path above seems like a reasonable way for Seattle to improve its offense without dealing away young pitching depth, show the fans a commitment to build on last season’s success and make games more fun by scoring a run occasionally. Like all free agent commitments of any size, it’s risky and sure to be a failure on the back end, but, combined with the right moves, it could allow more marginal upgrades on the roster than just the Hanley/Miller difference…all while probably lowering the error bars on their predicted SS production next year.

Brian
11 years ago

Excellent article.

Jason B
11 years ago

Relax guys. They’re not going to overpay for Hanley. Nightengale’s tweet clearly says they’re interested in Haley Ramirez.

jkcmason
11 years ago

I don’t agree with your valuation. The Addition of Cano was marginal when you limit your view to that one transaction and position. Yes, Franklin became trade bait. Cano basically also gave he Mariners an upgrade in CF.

Cano is projected to be a 2.8 win upgrade over Franklin, plus Austin Jackson is projected to be a 2.7 win upgrade over James Jones in CF. So basically you are paying $30mil for a 5.5win upgrade in 2015. That is less than market value for wins.

Hanley could work out similarly. The Mariners could sign a bat that they are confident could hit in Seattle and then trade Miller, Taylor or even Seager (please don’t) for an upgrade at a position of need.