Introducing FanGraphs Depth Charts and Standings Pages

Here at FanGraphs, we enjoy rolling out cool new things. It’s fun to be able to add stuff that we can all use on a daily basis, and David Appelman has done a great job of building some incredible tools for public consumption. Today, we’re going to introduce you to the newest additions to FanGraphs: Depth Charts and a dedicated Standings page. We’re rolling them out together because they actually go hand in hand.

We’ll start with the standings page, because that’s what you’ll see first when you visit the new section of the site. The standings table is broken into three sections: Year to Date, Projected Rest of Season, and Projected Full Season.

Year to Date presents the data you’d expect to find on a standings page, including games played, wins, losses, winning percentage, run differential, runs scored per game, and runs allowed per game. This is the basic information about what has already happened, and gives you an overview of how each team has performed in games that have already been played. I won’t spend too much time on these columns because I’d imagine those are pretty easy to understand.

Projected Rest of Season is where we kick things up a notch. We’ve taken the two projection systems that we have daily updated forecasts from — ZIPS and Steamer — and combined them with playing time projections that are based on daily updated depth chart information for each team. This gives us the best of both worlds: high quality performance forecasts based on multiple years of data, but also playing time projections that account for a player’s current health and position on the roster.

We’ve then taken those individual player forecasts and summed the totals at the team level in order to forecast an expected Win-Loss record for the remainder of the season. First, the forecasted totals for each team are put through the BaseRuns formula — generally regarded as the best model for estimating run scoring — which produces expected runs scored and expected runs allowed totals. Then, those RS/RA numbers were put through the PythagenPat calculation, which is a more accurate version of the well known pythagorean expected record, and that turns expected runs scored and runs allowed into expected wins and losses.

The Projected Rest of Season section contains the same columns as the Year to Date section, but these numbers are all generated based on the hybrid ZIPS/Steamer forecasts and the daily updated FanGraphs staff playing time projections. For each team, this section tells you what this forecasting model expects the franchise to do over the remainder of the season, given their current roster and depth chart. As that roster changes, so will the forecasts, but given what we know through each day, it is our best estimate of what that team will do going forward.

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The Projected Full Season section is simply the combination of the first two parts of the standings page, adding together what has already happened with what the model forecasts will happen. This gives you a final expected record for each team in baseball, taking into account that some portion of the season is already complete and the results will not change. So, for example, while the forecasts still see the Dodgers and Angels as quality teams — on the day we’re publishing this, they have the 5th and 6th best projected records over the rest of the season — their poor play over the first five weeks of the season lead to records around .500 for both squads. By combining their current record with their forecast record, you can see just how influential the games already played have been, and see which teams are on track to grab spots in the postseason.

The entire table is sortable, which means from this one page, you can now easily see which teams are leading the league in run scoring, or if you’d rather, you can find out which team is forecast to lose the most games when 2013 is over and done with. This page can essentially be seen as a summary of team performance and expected team performance, all in one neat little sortable table. I’m going to be using this page every day, I’m sure.

But we didn’t just stop with the team summary page. Since we’re going through the trouble of manually updating each team’s depth chart every day, and creating a rest-of-season projection for every player in the league (and some who aren’t yet), we figured we’d show you all of that data too. So, from the standings page, you can simply click on each team’s name (or use the divisional drop-downs to click on the team you want to see) and you’ll be taken directly to their specific depth chart. On that page, you’ll see the forecasted rest-of-season projection for each player at each position, as well as the team’s total expected production at that position, for catcher all the way through the bullpen.

There are also two boxes on each team’s page that sum up each player’s overall expected performance across all positions, if you’re more interested in a player’s total forecast than his projection at a specific spot on the field. On the right hand side of each team’s depth chart, you’ll also notice a table that shows the rest-of-season WAR forecasts broken out by batters and pitchers for each team. Like the standings page, this table is also sortable, and will give you a pretty decent idea of a team’s relative strengths and weaknesses.

Maybe you don’t just want to know how your team’s catchers are going to perform over the rest of the year, but you also want to know where that rates among expected performance among other catchers as well? For that, we have tabs for each position on the field. If you click on the Catcher tab, for instance, you’ll see that the Giants are forecast for +4.8 WAR over the rest of the season, nearly a full win more than the next highest team. Here, the individual totals are displayed for each player expected to get playing time at that position, and the list is sorted by total forecast WAR. On the right is a sortable summary table which shows just the team totals, if you’re interested in looking at the team’s positional forecast by Batting Runs, Base Running, or Fielding Runs.

This is basically the same data we presented in the Positional Power Rankings back in March, just updated on a daily basis, and now available for your enjoyment whenever you’d like. And, if you’d just like to see a complete overview of the team WAR forecasts by position, you can click on the Totals tab, which gives you a summary table of each team’s projected WAR at each position. And, yes, it’s sortable too, so if you want to quickly see which team has a glaring hole at shortstop or a weak rotation that could use upgrading, you can simply re-sort the table by position and see where each team rates.

Personally, I think this is one of the best things we’ve ever added to FanGraphs. The depth charts and standings pages provide answers to so many of the questions we ask on a daily basis. Is Carlos Gomez really an elite center fielder now? What do we think of the Blue Jays now that they’ve fallen flat on their face out of the gates and lost Jose Reyes for a few months? What team should be most interested in trading for Jake Peavy? Who is the best team in baseball? Who is playing second base for the Marlins these days?

You can find answers to all of those questions on the Standings page or in the various Depth Charts pages. Now, these numbers aren’t handed down from on high, and you might disagree with the forecasts from the ZIPS/Steamer systems or the playing time allotments that were created through the depth charts. We’re not claiming these numbers are the be-all, end-all of baseball forecasting. We’re going to maintain the depth charts as well as we possibly can, but we can’t know precisely how many innings a pitcher is going to throw or what date the Astros might dump the rest of the guys on their roster who were alive when Bill Clinton was president.

But, as far as forecasts go, I’d put ZIPS and Steamer up against any publicly available system out there, and studies have shown that using an aggregate of multiple projection systems usually leads to better results than relying on just one forecasting model. By combining the daily updated ZIPS and Steamer numbers, and then using humans who read the news to create playing time forecasts, we think the projections on these pages are as good or better than anything you’ll find anywhere else.

To welcome the new tools, we’ve even modified the site’s toolbar, and you can now quickly access all of this information by clicking on the Standings tab at the top of the page. From there, you can drill down to a team’s depth chart, data by position, or just about anything else you might want to know. We’re excited to add these new tools to FanGraphs, and hope you enjoy using them as often as I know I will.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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Izzy Hechkoff
13 years ago

At some point, especially towards the end of the season, will you be adding a strength of schedule component?

ralph
13 years ago
Reply to  Izzy Hechkoff

Yes, it seems like if the goal is to project a team’s final record, the remaining schedule should be taken into account. Or is it already being taken into account?

Brian
13 years ago
Reply to  ralph

Look at Cleveland’s schedule after Sept 5th. No Detroit, 3 vs Mets, 4 vs Houston, 6 vs KC, 6 vs CHW, 4 vs MIN. Will this be accounted for once Sept 5th rolls around?

Tom
13 years ago

Very cool.

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom

Way, way, way cool!

evo34Member since 2023
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom

Nice job with this. It would be great if you could apply the depth chart playing time projections to the Steamer RoS projections. I.e., this page, http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamerr&team=0&players=0, would show PA and IP based on updated depth charts, rather than FANS-based PT projections which have not been updated since pre-season. Thanks.

tehzachatak
13 years ago

Um, Dave? Pretty sure I understand what’s going on here, but your projected final winning percentages are different for teams with the same record. Given that you’re projecting wins, and not including a decimal point, I would think you might want to recalculate winning percentage based on your projected record. Or report projected wins and losses with a decimal point, so it was more clear what’s happening here.

tehzachatak
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Right, but my point is this is exceptionally confusing to the casual Fangraphs visitor. They see St. Louis and Atlanta projected with the same number of final wins, and then a different winning percentage. If you were to report the number of wins to the first decimal place, instead, it will ameliorate that problem considerably.

LK
13 years ago
Reply to  tehzachatak

I think it’s possible that a casual visitor will be more perplexed by fractional wins than the problem you’re speaking of. As a non-casual visitor I’d prefer decimals like you say.

Awesome addition, Dave.

TKDC
13 years ago
Reply to  tehzachatak

I think the solution being proposed is to first use the actual percentage, then round to the nearest win, then go back and change the percentage to reflect that w/l record. If that is not right, it should be.

Dave K
13 years ago
Reply to  tehzachatak

I’m not so bothered by it in the first place, but is it wrong to just put a note at the bottom indicating that: “Pythagenpat outputs winning percentage, not number of wins. The number of wins is rounded to the closest whole number.”

Brian
13 years ago
Reply to  tehzachatak

wait… there are casual fangraphs visitors?

Chris
13 years ago
Reply to  tehzachatak

“ameloriate” Really?

Hamba
13 years ago
Reply to  tehzachatak

Fan World problems.

Paul
13 years ago

Unbelievable, this is awesome guys. Really appreciate all the hard work everyone puts in for the public to enjoy. Thank you!!!!

Izzy Hechkoff
13 years ago

Also, I hate to be the guy that complains about my team, but I must ask how Pablo Sandoval has more projected playing time than David Wright. Wright’s been quite healthy every year except 2011 while Sandoval has missed significant time each of the past two years.

Also, would there be a benefit from adding DH time to the NL teams for the 20 or so games they play against the AL. Similarly, should the PA projections for the AL DHs be quite so high, seeing as quite a few games won’t feature a DH.

VB
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

I know this is already available on the team page, but is it possible to allow the depth charts to show current year-to-date performance?

I’d like to see the teams current performance based vs. expected performance in that format.

But all in all, awesome addition

Steve
13 years ago
Reply to  Izzy Hechkoff

Sandoval doesn’t have any hamate’s left to break.

Jeff
13 years ago

The Good: This is awesome.

The Bad: I am going to be more distracted by FanGraphs than I already am.

Thanks for all of the hard work gentlemen.

Bubba
13 years ago

You guys are making other baseball sites pretty much obsolete.

Mix
13 years ago

Cool!

What exactly *is* the difference between ZIPS and Steamer?

Mix
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Thanks!

Richie
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Is either Zips or Steamer incorporating ongoing velocity changes? For instance, does either one ‘know’ that Harvey is (from what I hear) is throwing harder now than he did last year?

Clayton
13 years ago

Can you sort by division? I just tried to click on the NL Central and it wasn’t able to limit the page to just NL Central teams. Sorry to be the one to complain, great feature to the site I look forward to exploring it more!

Bradsbeard
13 years ago
Reply to  Clayton

Was gonna ask the same thing. Would also be interesting towards the end of the year to sort by wildcard standings.

Great, great site feature.

Tyler
13 years ago
Reply to  Clayton

Yea this is the biggest thing missing.

Clayton
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Thanks for the reply Dave. Forgive we impatient readers. We appreciate what you guys do.

Tyler K Patterson
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Way cool thanks Dave.

David AppelmanFanGraphs Staff
13 years ago
Reply to  Clayton

Division standings are now on the standings page too!

Clayton
13 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Great, you guys are quick!

All Balls No Brains
13 years ago

Awesome features. Some equivalent of the leverage index for an entire season for a season seems like it would be possible now with this and totally cool. Beers are on me tonight!

Drakos
13 years ago

For the sake of making things more understandable I think it would be good if the depth chart pages state that they are Rest of Season projections. It says that on the menu dropdown but if you go straight to one of the pages (like say from the links in this article) that isn’t clear.

Jay
13 years ago
Reply to  Drakos

I agree – when following team links I was unsure what I was looking at. Are these rest of season projections, year to date (I know it isn’t this because of the PA/IP numbers) or is it end of season projections. Or better yet – a link for each so a viewer can choose. At the very least put a title on the page.

ralph
13 years ago

The Teams and Standings menubar pulldown info seem like they might be able to be combined somehow? Maybe some of the “Teams” stuff gets put into “Leaders” and the rest goes to “Standings?”

At the very least, it would seem more intuitive that mousing over the “Standings” menubar option would show the same standings one gets when mousing over the “Teams” menubar option.

That’s obviously an extremely minor suggestion to improve an already-fantastic new feature.

ralph
13 years ago
Reply to  ralph

To put a finer point on it, right now when I mouse over “Standings” I see the Blue Jays listed in first place in the AL East. (I know that’s because the team names are sorted alphabetically, but an alphabetical sort does not seem to be the optimal method of sorting teams when the site implies that one will be viewing the standings.)

Shlum
13 years ago

Why aren’t they named DepthGraphs and StandingsGraphs?

GTW
13 years ago

1) Very cool, Thanks!

2) When sorting any specific column (W%, WAR, wOBA, etc.) the first click is sorting from lowest to highest, which in most cases puts the worst team/player at the top. I’d imagine reversing the sort would be more intuitive.

3) I’ve noticed a strange projection from a player who only has a Steamer projection (no ZiPS) listed on their Player Card. Steve Pearce has a ROS line of .248/.331/.418 with a .326 wOBA, but on the Orioles Depth Chart he’s listed as .250/.308/.333 and .286 wOBA. Also, Russ Canzler has a .311 ROS Steamer wOBA, but .296 Depth Chart value. On the other hand, Chris Dickerson has both ZiPS and Steamer ROS projections on his Player Card (.293 & .318), but his DC value is just .294. From the players with more playing time there also seems to be a slight difference from the median or weighted average of ZiPS and Steamer projections, but not as severe as those I’ve mentioned.

David AppelmanFanGraphs Staff
13 years ago
Reply to  GTW

There was a rounding issue with some of the steamer projections. For guys with very low playing time it was showing up more. This is now corrected.

Joelskil
13 years ago

Impossibly awesome. Thank you Daves! This is the stuff that makes FG so much better than any other site.

Dave K
13 years ago

This is awesome.

Would anyone else be interested in YTD depth charts in addition to the projections? The breakdown could be sort of similar to the standings.

Mariners2001
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave K

Yes, I would also love to see YTD depth charts and WAR totals. That’s the only thing left that I have to compile on my own from FanGraphs.

Amazing addition – thanks!

NatsFan73
13 years ago

Speaking of Carlos Gomez … your depth chart has him for 500+ PAs remaining, while both the ZIPS and Steam ROS projections have 300+ remaining. So where, exactly, are you getting your depth chart information from? Or, more to the point, is there a more central place to get it than walking through 30 individual team pages?

ralph
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Yep, having human-assisted playing time projections is a huge boon. Any chance that you could add these custom FanGraphs ROS projections to individual player pages, as well?

NatsFan73
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

I ask because I export FG data to compile my own fantasy-league specific projections on a weekly basis. I can get ZIPs/Steamer ROS data easily enough from your projections pages, but exporting anything from these awesome new depth charts is going to be … unwieldy. Any chance this sort of thing makes it’s way to your more general projections page?

Bryz
13 years ago

Two things:

1. I’d argue that Eduardo Escobar is 2nd on the depth chart for Twins SS instead of Jamey Carroll, as Escobar has far more SS games than Carroll this season.

2. You have Alex Burnett projections for the Twins when he’s actually with the Orioles.

mcbecker5Member since 2019
13 years ago

This is great. Thank you FanGraphs!

Harold Reynolds
13 years ago

Yeah, but I work the phones!

markz
13 years ago

Your rest of the seasons projections are going to prove to be awful.

Anon21
13 years ago
Reply to  markz

Well, I’d actually be very interested in testing that. Since they’ll be changing every day, it would be great if someone could screenshot them now and see how they do at season’s end. (Tango is perhaps doing so as we speak.)

jrogersMember since 2017
13 years ago
Reply to  markz

Surely markz’s are going to be much better.

Ivan Grushenko
13 years ago
Reply to  markz

I’ve no idea what the point of this comment is, but now that you’ve brought it up, the real surprise would be if some team like 2012 Oakland, which hadn’t been picked to do anything, and hadn’t had a good first half, all of a sudden won everything in the second half and made the playoffs. If I had to pick a candidate to do that, I might pick the Cubs or Padres.

TNN2
13 years ago

This is fantastic.

I’d also like to see 2 additional columns listing a team’s average WPA and LI for the season. It would be interesting to see how those numbers would line up to your projections.

Naveed
13 years ago

With regard to playing time, National League DHs are projected for far more playing time than is actually possible; Giants DHs, for instance, are projected to come to the plate 237 times. Given that National League DHs are generally terrible, the effect seems to be to skew the overall projections for National League teams downward.

TKDC
13 years ago
Reply to  Naveed

Other point of this – what is replacement level for DHs these days? It seems that virtually every pinch bat in the national league (the guys making up the DH list for the most part) is worse than some theoretical AAA player. That just can’t be right.

On another note, how is Evan Gattis projected to have a higher wOBA than Adam Dunn, but he is negative while Dunn is positive? There is definitely some weirdness going on at DH.

Darren
13 years ago

This is amazing stuff. Thank you Fangraphs. However, I have to echo the first couple of posts. This really is not a projected W/L for the rest of the reason if your not going to ‘sim’ it over the actual remaining schedule. This is more of a Power Ranking as it assumes each team plays an equal / balanced schedule the rest of the way. This will especially effect teams that played a heavy Astro or Marlin schedule to date.

JRR
13 years ago

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Three were given to the fantasy players, neurotic, fanatical, and most obsessive of all fans.

Seven were given to the stat-heads, great minds and thinkers of their mothers’ basements.

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But they were, all of them, deceived, for another website was made: In the land of Arlington, in the fires of the internet, the dark lord Appleman forged in secret a master website, to control all others. And into this website, he poured his statistics, his analysis, and his depth charts and standings. Fangraphs: one website to rule them all.

Floyd
13 years ago
Reply to  JRR

This is BY FAR the geekiest comment on this page. And that’s saying a lot.

Bravo, sir.

chuckb
13 years ago

I kept waiting for Billy Mays to jump out of the page screaming “but wait…there’s more!!!!!!”

Seriously, this is so awesome that I’d have probably bought this version of the Sham-Wow!

Richie
13 years ago

One thing that is really helpful from a fantasy standpoint is batting order. I don’t know how much more work that would require from you folks. But without it, well, I’ll be inclined to instead visit a site that does include that. For examples, Rutledge, Simmons and Revere are 3 guys quite useful at the top of their lineups, much less so at the bottom thereofs.

David AppelmanFanGraphs Staff
13 years ago
Reply to  Richie

This is actually more or less done, but it hasn’t been implemented yet. Look for this soon-ish.

Richie
13 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Very good. Thank you!

Clutch BaseballMember since 2018
12 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Dave, I am having a hard time finding this? Is it somewhere yet?

Nick
12 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Can I ask again? Dave where do we find this? Please reply.

scott
13 years ago

Would it be possible to get predicted game scores on the Daily Notes page utilizing this information? Thanks.

Jay29Member since 2025
13 years ago

“Who is playing second base for the Marlins these days?”

But these depth charts don’t actually answer that question. They answer “what kind of production will the Marlins get out of second base the rest of the way, and from whom?”. Looking at the page I can’t tell if it’s Valaika, Solano, or a platoon of them both.

Love the new addition, but that section is more “projections sorted by position” than actual depth charts. I’ll still rely on Jason Martinez for actual, current depth charts (which tells me that someone named Derek Dietrich is their starting 2B).

ralph
13 years ago
Reply to  Jay29

I hate to keep making criticisms because overall this is amazing, but I have to agree here.

I was curious to see what the FG consensus* was on Dietrich’s playing time the rest of season, but was disappointed that the depth charts didn’t even show getting him any playing time, despite the fact that he made his MLB debut last night. This seems like exactly the sort of thing that should have been updated this morning if there really were daily updates being made.

*Or is it just one person for all teams, one person for various subsets of teams? If so, who is doing the daily updates?

David AppelmanFanGraphs Staff
13 years ago
Reply to  Jay29

The way these should be working is the person who is actually starting now should be the first player on the list.

For instance, Giancarlo Stanton is on the DL and has been pushed down to #4 on the Marlins depth chart, but still has the most playing time.

http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=RF

So, these are not just projections sorted by position, they are actual depth charts too.

But you are correct that it looks like Derek Dietrich has not been entered into the Marlins depth chart yet. We will get that corrected tonight.

ralph
13 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Great!

And might I suggest that you figure out one of those classic FanGraph solutions for showing platoons, as well? Boston seems like a good example right now, where Nava will usually start against RHP, and Gomes will usually start in his place against LHP.

Jay29Member since 2025
13 years ago
Reply to  David Appelman

Cool, thanks for the clarification!

I wonder what would be the best way to make it apparent that it does sort by depth chart. Maybe a column on the left where a player is labelled as “Starter” or “Reserve” or “Platoon vs LHP” or “Platoon vs RHP.” I think that would be pretty versatile, as it would help clarify situations like, say, a player starting at 1B vs RHP and at DH vs LHP.

nottheqb
13 years ago

Um…where’s the TWTW column??

tyke
13 years ago

perhaps add a games back column? 😀

tyke
13 years ago

also, i find it interesting that the ROS projections seem to feature no movement in the standings whatsoever (that i could find)

jrogersMember since 2017
13 years ago
Reply to  tyke

Except for the Yankees, Angels, Reds, Diamondbacks and Dodgers passing the Orioles, Mariners, Pirates, Rockies, and Padres, respectively.

tyke
13 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

oh, i just now see what’s going on. is the default sort-by projected w-l?

tyke
13 years ago
Reply to  tyke

because that seems really silly, and definitely makes me want a GB column added

deslaur
13 years ago

Hey Dave,
Any chance you can give us those combined zips and steamer projections? It would be really helpful if under the projections tab we had an option for a combined zips/steamer projection list.
Thanks!

ALevy
13 years ago
Reply to  deslaur

I second that. Once that is done, from a fantasy standpoint the final missing link would be player position eligibility (based on Yahoo or some other logic) in an exportable format. If that data were available it wouldn’t be hard to build something like a roto trade analyzer (based on z-scores) that would project RoS roto value (auction $ and rank) for every player. I think fantasy gamers would love a resource like that. On the downside it could level the playing field for all those fish out there.

PS – this is AWESOME.

NatsFan73
13 years ago
Reply to  ALevy

Yes, position eligibility is the ONLY thing I have to do digging around for at other sites. A games played in and/or started by position listing would be awwwweeeesome ….

John
13 years ago

Great addition. Thanks for all the hard work, guys.

Scrapper
13 years ago

I’m sure that there are bugs to be fixed and nits to be picked (and I see some of the readers are already working on pointing out everything that they can think of)…

but damn this stuff is just incredible! WOW! Keep up the great work because what you guys are doing is really, really special.

JWR
13 years ago

I understand that the ZIPS/Steamer projections are influenced at least in part by the player’s season to date stats but is that also true for minor leaguers who are expected to play later in the year? In other words, are the projected stats for current minor leaguers affected by their performance in the minors so far in 2013?

Izzy Hechkoff
13 years ago
Reply to  JWR

Steamer appears to update their minors projections daily while ZIPS does not.

Ben HallMember since 2016
13 years ago

David Appelman is…I don’t know what to say. This is one of the best additions there has been.

fantasysportshawkMember since 2022
13 years ago

Christmas in May….seriously the best site on the web.

batpig
13 years ago

Dave – to echo some comments above, it would be awesome if the “synthesized” projections used in these depth charts were available in the projections section for sorting / exporting. For those of us who download RoS projections for use in our personal fantasy calculators it would be very valuable, since these projections not only blend Steamer and ZiPS but also have manual playing time estimates (a key addition).

An obvious example is someone like Carlos Gomez; because he was a part time player the past few years, is projected RoS for only 351 PA by ZiPS and 373 PA by Steamer. The “synthesized” projection has him at a much more reasonable 534 PA RoS given that he is a full-time starter.

evo34Member since 2023
13 years ago
Reply to  batpig

Yes, please. Would love to see all Steamer RoS projections use playing time numbers from the depth charts.

ML
13 years ago

angels 4th in WAR?

zmonny
13 years ago

Just noticed that Alex Rodriguez is listed as having 28 PA at DH for the Yankees this year…

Max Grady
13 years ago

This is an outstanding new feature of FanGraphs, to be sure. That said, there are some real head-scratching results. I find it difficult to picture the Astros winning at a .410 clip for their remaining games. Why would they improve by such a large margin? There is nothing in their performance to suggest such a dramatic improvement, especially against consistently superior competition dominating the rest of their schedule.

Also, how much does recent performance alter the projections? E.g., the Bluejays just won four games in a row, and scored in double-digits in each of the past three games. When you factor that in with Jose Reyes returning likely in July, Josh Johnson returning very soon, etc., they should improve substantially over the remaining games, but they are expected to play .500-ball in the rest of the way? I’m not saying they will win the division at this point, but I don’t think that 80 to 85 wins is out of the question with the talent they have returning to their normal career curves.

Edgardo Carrero
13 years ago

It may be boring and certainly not very creative, but we have to have a games back column!!! It is too big of paradigm to even being of shifting it, let alone break it.

Nick
13 years ago

I find it hilarious people actually pay for ESPN Insider when this site exists.

Ivan Grushenko
13 years ago

Awesome as usual!

Steve K
13 years ago

I cannot help but notice that as the season moves along the discrepancies between what the projected numbers and the actual numbers are turning out to be.

In particular I am looking at the Blue Jays. For example, in projections you have Casey Janssen with 39 IP (at 21.2 IP now), Brett Cecil with 33 IP (at 34 IP now), Steve Delabar with 39 IP (at 34 IP now), JA Happ with 17 IP (at 33 IP)… I could go on but you get the idea. So there is a strong disconnect between the productions and the actual numbers, at least on the pitching side.

The other problem I am seeing that the the projected WAR seems off as well (I am staying away from the pitching side as I know that can be more inconsistent than batting). Jose Bautista, is projected at 3.0 WAR with 369 PA(he has 2.5 WAR and is at 266 PA) Edwin Encarnacion 2.1 WAR with 407 PA( he has 1.6 WAR and 291 PA), Maicer Izturis 0.2 WAR with 260 PA (he has -1.4 WAR in 188 PA).

It just seems that the projections sharply disagree with reality doing simple comparisions. I hope that is Izturis can generate 1.6 WAR in the next 70 PA, but I don’t see that happening. I don’t think that the projects should just ignore it either.

EricO
13 years ago

This is a great idea, but as a casual user of the site, I was disappointed there is not a glossary of the column headers at the bottom for reference. RDIF and RS/G do not appear to be on the Glossary page either. I’m sure most everyday users of the site know for certain what these represent, but I am not certain. Thanks for considering.

mrlewis
13 years ago

Data in the depth charts is wrong for a good portion of the players. For example, Nick Franklin triple slash in depth chart 247/307/372. This is not even close to correct, even if it included minor league numbers for the year. True mlb slash currently at 309/397/509. This is just one of many completely wrong datalines on the mariners depth chart. Whats up with that???

mrlewis
13 years ago

Oh wait, I see that these data are projections. my bad. Would be nice to see current data alongside projections, though.

tribe Fan in SF
13 years ago

I just went throught hte same thing as mrlewis above. Since we’re around the halfway point of the season, the numbers, at first looked like they were supposed to be season-to-date. It would be very easy to add a heading/note to the top of the page indicating the Depth Charts area is *projected* for the rest of the year, and perhaps a link back to this original post introducing them. Another suggestion (apologies if someone already made this suggestion above) would be to include the actual season-to-date pitching WAR and batting WAR along side the projected rest of season WAR. Would be interesting to see. Thanks for the great work!!

Kimbal B
13 years ago

Funny how the run differential for the entire season favors the Reds but the Pirates are projected to finish one game ahead…Cincy needs one more outfielder, but that is the easiest thing in the world to get on the cheap. I have to believe the run differential should spell at least 90 wins for the Reds and a Wild Card if they cannot catch the Cards. Why the love for the Pirates I wonder?

Dave
13 years ago

This is beautiful and good. Thank you.

swyck
13 years ago

Just wanted to chime in. Love the depth charts, great to see this broken out this way.

Question: How are PA counted for pinch hitters? For example if John Mayberry comes in to pinch hit for Delmon Young, and then stays in RF, that PA should be under RF. If he comes in to pinch hit for the pitcher, and does not stay in the game, that should be counted different. IMO that should be under a pinch hitter section.

Would like to see games played for each section, but that may clutter things up.

swyck
13 years ago
Reply to  swyck

Ahh, I see this is projected stats. Would love to see filterable current stats depth chart.

Xeifrank
13 years ago

Can you make the new pages exportable (CSV)? Thanks

Dave Silverwood
12 years ago

I agree the Reds need one more outfielder,but still may need help on the bench,they have the means of getting help from the waiver wire,but seldom does Jocketty use that system this time of year.

Tyler
12 years ago

Fangraphs & The entire baseball community needs to hire a graphic designer post haste.

Ousy
12 years ago

Why do the Projected ROS team records differ in the full standings (all 30 teams) vs the division standings? e.g. the Red Sox are projected to finish their final 3 games 2 – 1 (.574) on the first table but 1 – 2 (.431) on the second.

Jay driscoll
12 years ago

Lucroy and d’Arnaud the same WAR? How? You’re kidding, right?

verd14
12 years ago

this has been a LONG time coming

Dave
12 years ago

What year is this?