J.T. Realmuto Would Like to Not Be a Marlin
The Marlins no longer have Giancarlo Stanton, who is extremely good. They no longer have Marcell Ozuna, who is very good. And they no longer have Dee Gordon, who is pretty good. Even if you trust that the Marlins’ new ownership group is trying to act in the team’s long-term best interests, it’s obvious that the club is rebuilding, and therefore won’t be any good any time soon. Given the circumstances, eyes have turned to Christian Yelich, an excellent player who might be traded. He’s not alone, however. J.T. Realmuto is a lesser-known player, but he’s a quality everyday catcher, and he wouldn’t mind being granted some freedom.
Craig Mish broke the news that Realmuto would like to be traded. Ken Rosenthal confirmed the report. Via Bob Nightengale, we learn the Marlins aren’t in a hurry to make a move. It’s not clear whether Realmuto made a demand, or if he just spoke to the possibility. And, of course, Realmuto has limited leverage here, since he can’t force his way out. Even the prospect of Realmuto performing worse because he’s unhappy would be bad for both the player and team. Whatever happens with Realmuto will happen. It’s not so much up to him. But — well, why stop at Ozuna? Where do the Marlins think that they’re going? Realmuto might as well be traded, and he would bring back a significant haul.
Realmuto will turn 27 in March, and he has three more years of team control. In his first year of arbitration, he’s projected to earn a little over $4 million. When the Marlins have talked about Realmuto before, they’ve underscored the fact that they’d love to build around him. He’s a young, athletic, moderately powerful catcher. Yet the Marlins are no longer even close to competitive. They’ve been stripping away their present value, and the farm system’s still lousy. It’s difficult to see the Marlins being good again before 2021, and that’s with the owners acting in good faith, making an honest effort to improve.
The argument for keeping Realmuto would be: You can’t trade everyone, and the fans would be pissed. But this is the Marlins we’re talking about. They’ve already traded Stanton, Ozuna, and Gordon. They already have a history of being, you know, the Marlins. The fans are already pissed, if they’re even still paying attention. The cost of also trading Realmuto within the next few weeks would be limited, because fan sentiment has more or less bottomed out. Trade Realmuto soon and it’s just another log on the fire. It blends in. Keep him and either the fans are annoyed later on, when he’s traded down the road, or the team misses out on a big trade return. It seems like, if you’re going to do this, and do this now, you might as well get all the worst parts over with. Go into 2018 with pretty much every good player converted into prospects. Give the fans time to warm up to it. Give the roster a chance to stop hurting.
Realmuto is a better value than you might assume. Stanton, Ozuna, and Gordon were all exchanged for somewhat underwhelming returns, but Realmuto doesn’t necessarily belong in that group. Stanton came with the matter of his contract. Ozuna has two more years of control. Gordon’s about to turn 30. Realmuto is under control for his age-27 to age-29 seasons. Through arbitration, he’s probably going to earn something like $25 – 30 million, combined.
In each of the last two seasons, Realmuto has been an above-average hitter. I mean overall, and not just among catchers. Playing in Miami might have been bad for his power numbers, but here is a glimpse of what he can do:
Realmuto doesn’t have massive, light-tower power, but he can clearly go deep, and although he doesn’t draw that many walks, that’s offset by his better-than-average bat-to-ball skills. Realmuto profiles as a strong hitter for his position. And that’s not everything.
From Statcast, we’ve learned that Realmuto is exceptionally fast for a backstop.
He just stole eight bases, a year after stealing 12 bases, and his career baserunning value is positive. That’s uncommon for a catcher, and this speaks to Realmuto’s athleticism. It’s worth remembering that, when Realmuto was in high school, he played as a shortstop. And to keep adding on, the evidence suggests Realmuto just made a large improvement defensively. According to Baseball Prospectus, Realmuto in 2016 was 9 runs below average as a defender. This past year he was 6 runs above average. That’s mostly thanks to a pitch-framing improvement, and some chunk of that might be noise instead of signal, but 2017 J.T. Realmuto provided all-around value. He looks like one of the better catchers in baseball.
Since Realmuto became a big-league regular, he’s ranked second among catchers in WAR. Looking at the Steamer projections, Realmuto is eighth among catchers, but, really, he’s part of a giant cluster tied for third, behind Buster Posey and Gary Sanchez. Is Realmuto better than, say, Salvador Perez or Mike Zunino? I don’t know. Maybe. You can make good arguments in either direction. What’s important is that Realmuto has both good talent and a young age. Were he on the market, there would be no shortage of demand.
Headed into his age-32 season in 2015, Russell Martin signed with the Blue Jays for five years and $82 million. Realmuto might not be quite as good as Martin was, but it’s close, and Realmuto, again, is under control from ages 27 to 29. In terms of surplus value, we’re talking tens of millions of dollars, which is what would allow the Marlins to turn him into an impressive prospect package. It’s pretty obvious that, say, the Nationals, Rockies, and Diamondbacks would be interested in adding Realmuto, and I imagine he’d also pique the interest of the A’s and the Brewers. Other teams could also jump in, if they knew Realmuto was out there. He wouldn’t be just a short-term value. He’d also be extremely affordable.
When the Brewers moved Jonathan Lucroy with a year and a half left on his contract, they packaged him with Jeremy Jeffress and received two top-100 prospects, in Lewis Brinson and Luis Ortiz. Lucroy was 30 years old. That would probably more or less set the floor for any Realmuto talks, if the Marlins go ahead and engage the market. Realmuto is worth it, and, one more time, him staying around in Miami wouldn’t do a whole hell of a lot for anyone.
We know, now, that Realmuto wants out. We know that he doesn’t actually have much leverage, but we also know the Marlins can presumably see the writing on the wall. They know they’re going to suck, and they know Realmuto is a probable goner in another three years. Why not move the rebuild further forward? There are teams out there who would be delighted to stock the Marlins’ farm. Realmuto is good enough to make everyone happy.
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Does Derek Jeter still want to be a Marlin?
Does anyone? I hear even Billy the Marlin was roaming the halls at the Winter Meetings looking for a new gig.
To be fair to Billy, his mercury toxicity is off the charts.
The Red Grooms home-run sculpture is in the best shape of its life and is offering to work out in private for interested parties.
Probably not if he can force a trade to a winning team’s ownership.
Jeter will be playing 2b next year at this rate lol
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I agree with the points made here, but the Lucroy comparison is a little off. Lucroy was also traded at the deadline and was in the middle of what would turn out to be a 4.6 WAR season. Actually beat Posey that season, and was considered a bona fide star.
I don’t think we’re going to see an FV60 and FV55 (or whatever they were) traded for Realmuto, although maybe the Marlins get greater quantity instead.
Realmuto is as proven of a commodity as a player with four years of control could be: back-to-back seasons of 3.5 WAR.
Superstar upside? Probably not, just because he doesn’t take enough walks. But the power-defense-average-baserunning is not a common one for catcher.
He’s definitely worthy of at least one top-100 prospect in return, just because he’s a proven everyday catcher for cheap.
Realmuto to the Angels for Jo Adell, Taylor Ward, and throw-in young arm or two. Angels are all-in, great fit.
The Marlins are still $15M over their expected payroll. Realmuto and Prado would bring it to $90. The Angels can make a huge gain at catcher over Maldonado. I think the two prospects you named for Realmuto and Prado would be more in line with the Marlins thinking.
Realmuto is a big enough upgrade for the Angels that it’d still make sense
I would guess that the average #50-100 prospect doesn’t even put up three 3 WAR seasons.
Way to hurt whatever leverage they have left… honestly, the Marlins should keep him as punishment
This has nothing to do with leverage (and Realmuto has no leverage here).
He could do an old-fashioned holdout. We haven’t had one of those in a while.
A holdout would be enormously risky for him. He’s at 38 days over three years of service time per Baseball Reference. Miss about 50 or 55 days of service, and he delays free agency by a year.
While we’d know that the Marlins sending him to the minors would be spite, there’s also a plausible baseball argument that a catcher who reports way late needs a month or two in the minors to get back up to speed.
Nats could use him.
When does the salary level set who pays the luxury tax for 2017? Once that date has passed, I could see the Nationals taking Prado’s contract to reduce the prospect cost of picking up Realmuto. I can’t see them taking it earlier, because the Nationals are going to try as hard as they can to stay under the tax for 2017 in order to compete in the market (or get QO compensation) in 2018.
We’re still talking about a Juan Soto +2 package even then.
I mean…that’s exactly what the Marlins haven’t done so far.
They were willing to eat a ton of money on Stanton in order to facilitate a better prospect return.
They didnt get a top 100 prospect and potentially ate nothing if Stanton opts out
Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong.
A) Jorge Guzman is absolutely a Top 100 prospect, per Eric and Mayo/Callis.
B) They ate $22m owed to Starlin.
C) They. Had. No. Leverage.
If a team was willing to take Chen that might help convince the Marlins. Forget getting under $90 mil, see if they can get to $45!
I like the Padres or Rockies to take a look at him. and yeah, that Chen deal should make it an easier deal to swing.
It seems nearly inevitable that Yelich, Realmuto, Castro, Bour, Dietrich, Prado, Barraclough, Straily, Tazawa, and anybody else with any trade value who earns more than league minimum will be traded.
We have seen plenty of “rebuilds” over the years, but the Marlins’s situation seems different, and worse for baseball. It seems the franchise was run almost like a fraud scheme, and the new owners are left with almost no alternatives than to essentially run a minor league team while playing a major league schedule.
Honestly, the big one was Giancarlo’s rapidly escalating salary.
They’ll likely hope for a Prado rebound (he accrued 3+ WAR in 2016), and wait until a godfather package at the deadline for Realmuto.
Absolute nonsense pal. They bought the team for 1.2 billion and only had to pay 800 million cash as they agreed to assume the debts for the other 400 million. They had to finance their part and borrowed at rates as high as 14% to raise 800 million, and one would assume the 400 million of debts they assumed prevented them from having to get even more of such unattractive financing terms to pay the sale price
Marlins should have found a buyer whose purchase would have cleared all the previous debts and whose own finacing was not prohibitive. Marlins had a good core, a playoff quality lineup and just needed some pitching to be competitive
The Marlins ownership received 50 million as their share of the BamTek sale that they could have used if they were not required to place it in a reserve fund to cover future losses due to concerns this ownership group does not have deep enough pockets.
Marlins able to negotiate a new RSN in 2020 so they only needed to bridge 3 years
Gotta say…your ignorance of the fact that nearly every purchasing group over the last decade has assumed hundreds of millions of dollars in debt does not mean the Marlins’ new ownership, or the MLB, did anything wrong.
I’d send him to AAA, he’s ok but not near good enough to start demanding things. This is a huge distraction in clubhouse, they need to send him down before it escalates.
Trade him to oakland or tampa, he’ll wish he never said a word
It’s better to wait till mid-season to move Realmuto. Teams are less desperate in the off-season to fill a void at C; Grandal could probably be had for much cheaper, Lucroy on the rebound for cheap is tantalizing of an alternative, etc.
However, a midseason injury at the position or surprise contender in search of an upgrade could lead to a big price.
Actually there’s some anecdotal (only anecdotal) evidence that catchers are more desirable before spring training so they can work with pitchers.
And FWIW, don’t think the Dodgers are going to move Grandal.
Yelich, Realmuto and Straily to SD for Gore, Tatis jr., Paddack and a couple lower level guys?
That’s not enough for Yelich.
Well if they trade him and want a cheap backstop that allows them to keep prospects in development in the minors. I’m available for the league minimum.
Marlins dumped aome payroll but didnt really get anybtop prospects. I’d call what they are doing now just a controlled demolition and no building being done yet. Yelich and Realmuto could get them some top prospects a year or two away from MLB who could be ready in 2020-2021 to start their service clock