JAWS and the 2022 Hall of Fame Ballot: Scott Rolen

The following article is part of Jay Jaffe’s ongoing look at the candidates on the BBWAA 2022 Hall of Fame ballot. Originally written for the 2018 election at SI.com, it has been updated to reflect recent voting results as well as additional research. For a detailed introduction to this year’s ballot, and other candidates in the series, use the tool above; an introduction to JAWS can be found here. For a tentative schedule and a chance to fill out a Hall of Fame ballot for our crowdsourcing project, see here. All WAR figures refer to the Baseball-Reference version unless otherwise indicated.

“A hard-charging third baseman” who “could have played shortstop with more range than Cal Ripken.” “A no-nonsense star.” “The perfect baseball player.” Scott Rolen did not lack for praise, particularly in the pages of Sports Illustrated at the height of his career. A masterful, athletic defender with the physical dimensions of a tight end (listed at 6-foot-4, 245 pounds), Rolen played with an all-out intensity, sacrificing his body in the name of stopping balls from getting through the left side of the infield. Many viewed him as the position’s best for his time, and he more than held his own with the bat as well, routinely accompanying his 25 to 30 homers a year with strong on-base percentages.

There was much to love about Rolen’s game, but particularly in Philadelphia, the city where he began his major league career and the one with a reputation for fraternal fondness, he found no shortage of critics — even in the Phillies organization. Despite winning 1997 NL Rookie of the Year honors and emerging as a foundation-type player, Rolen was blasted publicly by manager Larry Bowa and special assistant to the general manager Dallas Green. While ownership pinched pennies and waited for a new ballpark, fans booed and vilified him. Eventually, Rolen couldn’t wait to skip town, even when offered a deal that could have been worth as much as $140 million. Traded in mid-2002 to the Cardinals, he referred to St. Louis as “baseball heaven,” which only further enraged the Philly faithful.

In St. Louis, Rolen provided the missing piece of the puzzle, helping a team that hadn’t been to the World Series since 1987 make two trips in three years (2004 and ’06), with a championship in the latter year. A private, introverted person who shunned endorsement deals, he didn’t have to shoulder the burden of being a franchise savior, but as the toll of his max-effort play caught up to him in the form of chronic shoulder and back woes, he clashed with manager Tony La Russa and again found himself looking for the exit. After a brief detour to Toronto, he landed in Cincinnati, where again he provided the missing piece, helping the Reds return to the postseason for the first time in 15 years.

Though he played in the majors for 17 seasons (1996-2012), Rolen retired at age 37, and beyond sneaking over the 2,000 hit line, didn’t accumulate the major milestones that would bolster his Hall of Fame case. The combination of his solid offense and his defensive prowess — validated both by the eye test and the metrics — places his WAR and JAWS among the top 10 third basemen in history, but in his 2018 ballot debut, voters gave him a paltry 10.2%. While several conceded that they would have included him if space had permitted, his share only grew to 17.2% in 2019, but it more than doubled the year after, to 35.3%, then shot to 52.9% last year; not only did he follow the second-largest gain from 2019 to ’20 (18.1%) with the largest one from ’20 to ’21 (17.6%), he surpassed the 50% mark. Following the election of Gil Hodges by the Golden Days Era Committee, that means that aside from his company on the current ballot, every candidate who’s reached at least 50% has been elected either by the writers or a small committee. Like Larry Walker, a candidate who similarly benefited from strong defensive metrics that underscore his tremendous value despite counting stats that may not be eye-catching, Rolen has been taken more seriously by voters.
While getting to 75% this time around would require the fifth-largest jump of the post-1966 voting era, it’s not out of the question, but more likely, Rolen is still a year or two away from election. Given his slow start, that’s pretty remarkable.

2022 BBWAA Candidate: Scott Rolen
Player Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS
Scott Rolen 70.1 43.6 56.9
Avg. HOF 3B 68.4 43.1 55.8
H HR AVG/OBP/SLG OPS+
2,077 316 .281/.364/.490 122
SOURCE: Baseball-Reference

Born in Evansville, Indiana in 1975 to a pair of schoolteachers, Rolen grew up in Jasper, a town of 10,000 roughly an hour away, and excelled at both basketball and baseball. On the court, he was a 6-foot-4 point guard versatile enough to play shooting guard or forward as well. In 1993, he made the Indiana All-Star team and was the Tri-State co-player of the Year, among other honors. Heavily recruited by colleges, he was offered hoops scholarships by UCLA, Oklahoma State, Alabama, and Georgia. He played all around the diamond and even pitched in relief before moving to third base full time. During his senior year, he was voted Indiana Mr. Baseball, as the top high school player in the state (he was runner-up in Mr. Basketball).

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Though Rolen committed to Georgia for a basketball scholarship, he reconsidered when the Phillies chose him in the second round of the 1993 draft and offered a $250,000 signing bonus. After 25 games in rookie ball, he hit .294/.363/.462 with 14 homers as a 19-year-old in the A-level South Atlantic League in 1994, a performance that placed him at number 91 on Baseball America’s Top 100 Prospects list the following spring. He climbed to 27th in 1996 despite being limited to 86 games due to a broken hamate, and after a combined .324/.416/.515 showing in Double- and Triple-A, he was recalled on August 1 by the Phillies, who were in the midst of a 67-95 season. He went 1-for-4 with a double off the Cardinals’ Donovan Osborne in his debut. With incumbent third baseman Todd Zeile traded later that month, the 21-year-old Rolen hit .254/.322/.400 with four homers in 146 PA down the stretch, but his season ended on September 7, when a pitch by the Cubs’ Steve Trachsel fractured his right ulna.

The injury carried a silver lining, in that Rolen’s 130 at-bats left him barely eligible to be considered a rookie for 1997. He got his money’s worth out of the designation, climbing to 13th on the BA list and hitting .283/.377/.469 with 21 homers, 16 steals, and 4.5 WAR. He was unanimously voted NL Rookie of the Year, beating out the likes of Vladimir Guerrero and Andruw Jones. The Phillies, however, went just 68-94 under first-year manager Terry Francona, their fourth straight losing season since their 1993 NL pennant.

After signing a four-year, $10 million extension in the spring of 1998, Rolen broke out, bashing 31 homers, driving in 110 runs, and stealing 14 bases while hitting .290/.391/.532 for a 139 OPS+. Stellar defense (+12 runs according to Total Zone) earned him the first of his eight Gold Gloves; his 6.7 WAR ranked eighth in the NL. The Phillies climbed to 75 wins, and then 77 in 1999, before falling back to 65 in 2000. While Rolen hit a combined .284/.369/.539 for a 124 OPS+ and 9.2 WAR in those last two years, he missed 84 games due to a lower back strain (which ended his 1999 season on August 25) and a left ankle sprain. The team’s regression cost Francona his job.

Avoiding the disabled list for the first time in three years, Rolen put together another typical Scott Rolen season (.284/.375/.511, 25 HR, 107 RBI, 5.6 WAR) in 2001, but under the hood, things were far from normal. The Phillies tried to hash out another extension during spring training, but talks broke off due to Rolen’s concerns about the team’s payroll, which had ranked 20th in 2000; despite their large market, the Phillies received significant help from revenue sharing. Under Bowa, the team improved to 86-76, but the new manager did his part to alienate Rolen. In June, Bowa called him out after a series loss to the Red Sox, saying, “If the No. 4 guy [Rolen, the cleanup hitter] makes contact in either Boston loss, we sweep the series. He’s killing us.” Rolen was incensed. In August, Green said during a radio interview, “Scotty is satisfied with being a so-so player. He’s not a great player. In his mind, he probably thinks he’s doing OK, but the fans in Philadelphia know otherwise. I think he can be greater, but his personality won’t let him.”

“I don’t feel as welcome in this organization as I have in the past,” said Rolen in response. In November, he rejected a seven-year, $90 million extension, with options and incentives that would have elevated the total package to 10 years and $140 million. In December, Orioles owner Peter Angelos scuttled a tentative nine-player deal to the Phillies upon learning the potential cost of an extension.

When Rolen came to spring training, he elaborated on his discontent even while saying that he might have been “an idiot” for passing up such a lucrative deal. He told ESPN’s Jayson Stark, “Fans deserve a better commitment than this ownership is giving them. I’m tired of empty promises. I’m tired of waiting for a new stadium (not due until 2004), for the sun to shine.” A livid Bowa was caught on camera profanely telling general manager Ed Wade that Rolen should be traded; the footage never aired, but was leaked and became sports talk radio fodder. Still a Phil, Rolen was elected to start the All-Star Game even as he was being booed and portrayed as a clubhouse cancer, though a conciliatory Bowa called him “the best third baseman in the NL,” adding, “He’s earned that free-agency right. That’s the process, and he has earned it.”

Finally, on July 29, the Phillies traded Rolen, a Triple-A reliever, and cash to the Cardinals for third baseman Placido Polanco, starter Bud Smith, and reliever Mike Timlin. “I felt as if I’d died and gone to heaven,” Rolen — who grew up attending games in both St. Louis and Cincinnati — told ESPN’s Peter Gammons. His numbers improved after the trade (from a 123 OPS+ with 17 homers in 100 games to a 139 OPS+ with 14 homers in 55 games), and he finished with 6.4 WAR, good for seventh in the league. Before doing that, he signed an eight-year, $90 million extension for 2003-10.

Rolen’s post-trade performance helped the Cardinals win 97 games and run away with the NL Central. In his postseason debut, his two-run homer off the Diamondbacks’ Randy Johnson in the Division Series opener proved decisive. Unfortunately, in a collision with pinch-runner Alex Cintron in Game 2, he suffered sprains in four regions of his shoulder and collarbone “including a severe hyperextension of the three ligaments supporting his clavicle.” The injury ended his season; the Cardinals advanced to the NLCS but lost to the Giants.

Luckily, the injury didn’t carry over to 2003. Rolen played 154 games, his highest total since 1998, made his second All-Star team and hit .286/.382/.528 with 28 homers, 13 steals, and a 138 OPS+. While the advanced metrics gave mixed reviews on his defense (-4 Defensive Runs Saved but +7.7 Ultimate Zone Rating), he won his fourth Gold Glove. The Cardinals missed the playoffs, but rebounded to win 105 games and the NL pennant in 2004. Rolen set career highs across the board (.314/.409/.598, 34 HR, 124 RBI, 158 OPS+, 30 DRS, 9.2 WAR), with the last of those surpassing hot-hitting teammates Albert Pujols and Jim Edmonds. He won another Gold Glove but finished fourth in the NL MVP voting, sandwiched between the aforementioned teammates as Bonds won.

In a July 12, 2004 article in Sports Illustrated, Tom Verducci described Rolen’s appeal:

When he’s not flipping middle infielders like flapjacks, Rolen, 29, is playing the best third base of his generation, piling up more RBIs than Mike Schmidt did at the same age and carrying himself with such humility that even his teammates have to strain to hear him when he does speak. “Rolen’s the perfect baseball player,” Milwaukee Brewers manager Ned Yost says. “It’s his tenacity, his preparation, the way he plays. He tries to do everything fundamentally sound. And he puts the team first — there’s no fanfare with him.”

In an uneven October, Rolen went hitless in both the Division Series against the Dodgers and the World Series sweep by the Red Sox, but bashed three homers and went 9-for-29 in the NLCS against the Astros, with a pair of homers in their come-from-behind Game 2 victory and a two-run blast off Roger Clemens that put the Cardinals ahead to stay in Game 7.

While the Cardinals won 100 games and reached the NLCS in 2005, Rolen was limited to 56 games due to surgery to repair a torn left labrum, suffered in a collision with the Dodgers’ Hee-Seop Choi on May 10; after missing 34 games, he returned and attempted to play, but five weeks of hitting .207 without a homer made clear that he needed to go under the knife. Back to form in 2006 (22 homers, 126 OPS+, 5.9 WAR, the last sixth in the league), he made his fifth All-Star team and won his seventh Gold Glove.

The Cardinals weren’t nearly the powerhouse of 2004-05, barely winning the division with an 83-78 record, but they went on a roll in October. Rolen, however, was hampered by left shoulder fatigue and was benched twice by La Russa, who felt he wasn’t being forthright in conveying the condition of his shoulder — first for Game 4 of the Division Series against the Padres, then for Game 2 of the NLCS against the Mets. To that point, he was just 1-for-14, but upon returning, he carried a 10-game hitting streak through the remainder of the postseason. Though famously robbed of a homer by Endy Chavez in Game 7 of the NLCS, he homered off the Tigers’ Justin Verlander in the World Series opener, and went 8-for-19 overall.

The Cardinals won in five games, but the relationship between Rolen and La Russa was strained and would continue to worsen in 2007, Rolen’s final year in St. Louis. The 32-year-old third baseman hit a meager .265/.331/.398 with eight homers in 112 games, and while outstanding defense (+12 DRS) bolstered his value, continued left shoulder woes ended his season in late August; he underwent a bursectomy and the removal of scar tissue. After the season, Rolen told general manager John Mozeliak that he wanted out. “There’s absolutely no intention to accommodate Scott,” said an unsympathetic La Russa at that year’s Winter Meetings. “If he doesn’t like it, he can quit.”

Five weeks later, Mozeliak traded Rolen to the Blue Jays straight up for Troy Glaus; later, the GM hinted that spite may have played a role in the north-of-the-border destination, and conceded that the move weakened the team, calling Rolen “the only player I regret trading.” Rolen, for his part, was rather cryptic when asked later about his frosty relationship with La Russa, saying, “We’re different people with different morals… That’s as politically correct as I can say it, I guess.”

The trade may have alleviated that conflict, but before debuting for the Jays, Rolen broke a knuckle on his right middle finger and lost the fingernail completely due to a mishap during a fielding drill. He missed the season’s first 23 games, and later missed another 13 due to power-sapping left shoulder soreness. He finished at .262/.349/.431 with 11 homers in 115 games, though again, stellar defense (+9 DRS) bolstered his value (3.4 WAR).

Despite his sizzling showing in the first four months of 2009 (.320/.370/.476), Rolen and the Blue Jays were bound for nowhere. Desiring to be closer to home, he asked for a trade. On July 31, he was sent to the Reds — whose general manager, Walt Jocketty, had traded for Rolen as the Cardinals’ GM in 2002 — for Edwin Encarnación, Josh Roenicke, and Zach Stewart. Jocketty desired Rolen’s leadership as much as his ability, saying, “He will bring a lot to this ballclub that’s been lacking.”

(While today, the move appears imbalanced because Encarnación, a defensively challenged 26-year-old third baseman at the time, blossomed into an All-Star slugger, that wouldn’t happen for another three years; in fact, the Jays lost him to the A’s on waivers in November 2010, then re-signed him after he was non-tendered.)

Rolen suffered a beaning-related concussion in his second game as a Red. After sitting for two days, he homered in his first plate appearance back, but post-concussion syndrome soon sent him to the DL. “I’m just in La-La Land out there,” he said. “I have headaches I can’t shake.” Despite the injury, Rolen finished with a 116 OPS+, 17 DRS and 5.2 WAR, his highest total since 2006. In December, a contract restructuring converted his $11 million salary into a three-year, $24 million extension.

The deal paid off in 2010. Despite suffering lower back spasms, at age 35 he made his sixth All-Star team, won his eighth and final Gold Glove, hit a Rolenesque .285/.358/.497 with 20 homers, a 126 OPS+ and 4.1 WAR, and drew praise for his clubhouse leadership. The Reds, who hadn’t finished above .500 since 2000 and hadn’t made the playoffs since 1995, went 91-71 and won the NL Central. No-hit by the Phillies’ Roy Halladay in the Division Series opener, they were quickly dispatched; Rolen went just 1-for-11 while striking out eight times.

Rolen spent two more seasons in Cincinnati, but protruding discs in his lower back and problems with both shoulders — culminating in offseason surgery to remove bone spurs and fragments from the perennially troublesome left one — limited him to a total of 157 games, 13 homers, an 86 OPS+ and 2.2 WAR. The Reds did win the NL Central again in 2012, but squandered a two-games-to-none lead in the Division Series against the Giants, who beat them in five games and went on to win the World Series. Though he collected two hits in Game 5, Rolen struck out with two men on base in the bottom of the ninth against Sergio Romo, ending the Reds’ season. Afterwards, he conceded that he was mulling retirement, but hadn’t made up his mind. Teammates again lavished him with praise, with Ryan Ludwick saying, “A Hall of Famer, in my opinion, no doubt about it. I played with him in St. Louis, too, and he’s a gamer, a guy that goes about his business the way you want to teach a 3-, 4-, 5-year-old kid. He’s a grown man and he plays the game every out, every pitch at max intensity.”

Rolen remained on the fence about retirement. Both the Dodgers and Reds showed interest that winter, but he never did play again, putting the wraps on his stellar career.

At first glance, Rolen’s case for Cooperstown appears respectable but not overwhelming. Despite his eight Gold Gloves and seven All-Star appearances, his Hall of Fame Monitor score of 99 is a whisker below “a good possibility,” and his postseason line (.220/.302/.376 with five homers in 159 PA) offers little help outside of his stellar 2004 NLCS and ’06 World Series performances, not that those weren’t important. Regular season-wise, his totals of 316 homers and 2,077 hits don’t scream instant enshrinement, though at least he’s on the right side of “The Rule of 2,000,” though that may become less important with the recent election of Tony Oliva, the first post-1960 expansion era player with fewer than 2,000 hits (1,917); it’s worth noting that the lowest total for an expansion era non-catcher elected by the BBWAA just fell from 2,322 (Willie Stargell) to 2,160 (Walker) on the 2020 ballot.

Beyond that, Rolen was a model of consistency who rarely put up extreme numbers or made a splash on the leaderboards. He never ranked among the league’s top 10 in hits, homers, or batting average; he did so just once in walks, OBP, and SLG, and in OPS+ twice. Nonetheless, his numbers stand out relative to his position. His .490 SLG is fifth among players with at least 7,000 PA who spent most of their careers at the hot corner, but that’s in part a reflection of playing in a high-scoring era; contemporaries Aramis Ramirez (who was on last year’s ballot) and Matt Williams are fourth and sixth, and nobody’s stumping for their election. Adjusting for the environments in which Rolen played, his 122 OPS+ ranks ninth on a list topped by six Hall of Famers (Schmidt, Eddie Mathews, Chipper Jones, George Brett, Wade Boggs, and Ron Santo), though none of the other players in the top 15 are enshrined. Via batting runs, the offensive component of WAR, Rolen’s 16th at 234, behind a mix of Hall of Famers, perennial All-Stars, and 19th century obscurities. Among his contemporaries, only Jones (who’s first at 558), David Wright (285) and Beltré (257) outrank him; the latter doing so only with the benefit of 3,612 additional plate appearances.

It’s Rolen’s combination of strong offense and elite defense that’s his true selling point. He’s considered by many to be the best defensive third baseman of his era, and has both the hardware and the advanced metrics to bolster that claim. His eight Gold Gloves are more than any third baseman besides Brooks Robinson and Schmidt, and he’s third at the position in fielding runs, 175 above average via a combination of Total Zone (1996-2002) and Defensive Runs Saved (2003-12), with only Robinson (294) and Beltré (218) ahead. Rolen had 11 seasons where he was at least 10 runs above average in the field (second only to Robinson) including five of at least 15 above average.

Rolen cracked the league’s top 10 in WAR a modest four times, but had six seasons of at least 5.0 WAR, tied for 10th at the position, and 11 of at least 4.0 WAR, tied for third with Boggs, behind only Schmidt and Mathews. That’s particularly impressive considering his career length. Take away his cup-of-coffee 1996 season, his injury-wracked 2005, and the two at the tail end of his career, and in 11 of the other 13 seasons, he was worth at least 4.0 WAR, which is to say worthy of All-Star consideration. Only in 2007 and ’08 did he play more than 92 games and finish with less than 4.0 WAR.

Thanks to that consistency, Rolen ranks 10th at the position with 70.1 career WAR, behind eight Hall of Famers plus Beltré, all of whom played at least 200 more games. He’s 1.7 WAR above the career standard at the position. His 43.6 peak WAR is a more modest 14th, but still 0.5 above the standard, and ahead of six enshrinees including Paul Molitor (who spent more time at DH). Rolen’s 56.9 JAWS ranks 10th, 1.1 points above the standard. Particularly at a position so drastically underrepresented in the Hall — there are 15 non-Negro Leagues third basemen, but 28 right fielders (counting Oliva), and 19 to 23 at every other position besides catcher — that’s a player who belongs in Cooperstown.

Rolen’s candidacy got off to an inauspicious start; his 10.2% debut was lower than the lowest post-1966 candidate to be elected by the writers (Duke Snider, 17.0% in 1970), while his 17.2% in his second year surpassed only Bert Blyleven (14.1%) — and both of those candidates needed more than 10 years to be elected, time Rolen doesn’t have. The caveat is that he was competing for space on a pair of ballots so crowded that for the first time in history, back-to-back quartets of candidates were elected, with five other candidates topping 50% in 2018, and four others in ’19.

The trend of the ballot’s heavy traffic clearing is worth illustrating, and it’s applicable to several candidates who have lingered on the ballot, awaiting their opening:

Where Rolen was one of 10 candidates who met the JAWS standards at their positions when he debuted in 2018, and one of 13 with a JAWS of at least 50, he’s now one of six in the former group and 10 in the latter; the counts were five and nine last year, which left room for voters to consider adding candidates they’d previously bypassed.

One of my biggest fears heading into any election cycle is a strong candidate immediately suffering the indignity of falling off the ballot with less than 5% of the vote, cast into oblivion like Bobby Grich, Lou Whitaker, Kenny Lofton, Ted Simmons (the first player to rebound from such a fate by being elected by a small committee) and others. Players who derive a significant chunk of their value from on-base percentage and defense, but lack big triple crown stats, often suffer such a fate. Rolen fits that description to tee, though thankfully he survived those first two election cycles, and has since gained significant ground. Suddenly, he’s closer to the necessary 75% than he is to the 10.2% he debuted with.

Since the writers returned to voting annually in 1966, eight other candidates have landed in the 47% to 60% range in their fourth year on the ballot. That group includes two still-eligible candidates who haven’t been elected, namely Curt Schilling and Omar Vizquel, both of whom have accumulated significant non-baseball reasons for voters to hesitate to support them. The other six took an average of 4.2 years to gain entry, ranging from two for Mike Mussina, who received 51.8% in 2017, to six for Don Drysdale, who received 57.8% in 1978. Mussina and Jeff Bagwell (54.3% in 2014, elected three years later) are the only ones who hail from the period of candidates with 10 years of eligibility instead of 15, both lost five years in mid-candidacy with the Hall’s rule change in 2014. Both Bagwell and Mussina started with higher percentages than Rolen (41.7% for the former, 20.3% for the latter), but I think they illustrate how close Rolen is to election.

Could he get there this year? I don’t get the sense of a huge groundswell of support that would carry him over the threshold, but it’s early in the election cycle in terms of voters sending in their ballots. Ryan Thibodaux’s Ballot Tracker has received just nine thus far; Rolen has been on seven of them, picking up one new vote, but we’re still in small-sample territory.

To reach 75%, Rolen would need the sixth-largest year-to-year jump (22.13%) since 1967, squeezing in just ahead of Jim Rice (22.12%):

Largest 1-Year Gains on BBWAA Ballot Since 1967
Rk Player Yr0 Pct0 Yr1 Pct1 Gain
1 Luis Aparicio+ 1982 41.9% 1983 67.4% 25.5%
2 Barry Larkin+ 2011 62.1% 2012 86.4% 24.3%
3 Gil Hodges+ 1969 24.1% 1970 48.3% 24.2%
4 Nellie Fox+ 1975 21.0% 1976 44.8% 23.8%
5 Hal Newhouser+ 1974 20.0% 1975 42.8% 22.8%
6 Jim Rice+ 1999 29.4% 2000 51.5% 22.1%
7 Don Drysdale+ 1976 29.4% 1977 51.4% 22.1%
8 Larry Walker+ 2019 54.6% 2020 76.6% 22.0%
9 Vladimir Guerrero+ 2017 71.7% 2018 92.9% 21.2%
10 Larry Walker+ 2018 34.1% 2019 54.6% 20.5%
11 Johnny Sain 1974 14.0% 1975 34.0% 20.0%
12 Early Wynn+ 1970 46.7% 1971 66.7% 20.0%
13 Minnie Minoso+ 1985 1.8% 1986 20.9% 19.1%
14 Phil Cavarretta 1974 16.7% 1975 35.6% 18.9%
15 Early Wynn+ 1969 27.9% 1970 46.7% 18.8%
16 Yogi Berra+ 1971 67.2% 1972 85.6% 18.4%
17 Scott Rolen 2019 17.2% 2020 35.3% 18.1%
18 Ralph Kiner+ 1966 24.5% 1967 42.5% 18.0%
19 Scott Rolen 2020 35.3% 2021 52.9% 17.6%
20 Billy Williams+ 1982 23.4% 1983 40.9% 17.5%
+ = Hall of Famer

It’s worth noting that Rolen already has two of the 20 largest jumps of this period, and that voters have been malleable enough to produce five of those 20 jumps over the past four election cycles. Granted, all of those were smaller than the one he needs this year, and the sense of urgency that applied to Walker’s case doesn’t really apply to Rolen’s.

But there is this: Rolen represents the best chance for the voters to send a candidate untainted by major controversies to Cooperstown this year. The debates surrounding Schilling, Barry Bonds, and Clemens are likely to be rancorous and polarizing, and first-year candidate David Ortiz has two issues that could act as a drag on his candidacy, namely the DH factor and his reportedly positive test for PEDs during the 2003 survey testing. Sunday’s Era Committee elections of Jim Kaat and Oliva mean that the Hall will have living candidates to induct next summer, but both are 83 years old; the other four honorees are deceased, and one has been so for over a century (Bud Fowler, who died in 1913). Rolen would provide some youth to the proceedings.

Even if he doesn’t get in on the 2022 ballot, it does appear that Rolen is on his way to Cooperstown sooner rather than later. Three years ago, that seemed highly unlikely, but here we are.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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olethrosMember since 2020
4 years ago

It boggles my mind how poorly the BBWAA (and committees, for that matter) treat third basemen.

Speaking of which, didn’t Santo also drop off due to the 5% rule?

JohnThackerMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  olethros

Yeah, but I’d say that center fielders have it even worse, look at Lofton, Jones, and Edmonds.

One problem there, I think, is that center fielders don’t get enough credit for it being a more difficult defensive position (and for all the good ones being plus defenders, because otherwise they’d be moved to left or right). They get punished for not hitting as well as the best hitting left and right fielders.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

Catchers, third basemen, and center fielders are the three underrepresented positions, and roughly in that order. You have to be an absolute monster at the plate like Wade Boggs or George Brett to get in as a third baseman. Center field is hard they have had some problems contextualizing defensive value in CF, which hurts guys like Edmonds / Lofton / Jones. Well, that and because guys like Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle are close to, if not the best position players in the history of the game. So the standard that voters compare them to are kind of silly.

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

You may have a point of CF defense being undervalued compared to the middle infield, but who claims that good defensive CFs should be moved to the corners?! RFs might have stronger arms, but otherwise CF is obviously the most skilled defensive position in the OF.

It’s the LFs who should generally be playing elsewhere in the outfield if they are truly elite defensemen (outside of rare situations like Starling Marte’s earliest years).

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

The comment you’re responding to agrees with you.

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  FranklinP

While the above commenter does seem to agree with me personally, he/she also says that some people think good defensive CFs should be moved to the corner outfield, whereas I’m saying nobody thinks that and that the opposite is more or less actually true.

JohnThackerMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

“he/she also says that some people think good defensive CFs should be moved to the corner outfield, ”

No. I said that players who stay in CF tend to be plus defenders, because *otherwise* (meaning, if they were not) they would be moved to left or right. So average fielding CFs are better fielders than average for their position LFs or RFs, but the voters don’t act like they understand or value that.

I’m sorry that you completely misunderstood my statement.

hughduffy
4 years ago

In 1999, we had four of the best third basemen of all time playing in MLB with Adrian Beltre, Scott Rolen, Chipper Jones, and Wade Boggs. I have no doubt about any of them belonging in the Hall.

I’m still puzzled as to why Scott Rolen hasn’t been voted into the Hall yet.

catmanwayne
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

Lots of writers still cling to the baseball card stats (AVG, Hits, HRs, RBIs) when voting for a player. Jones, Beltre, and Boggs have higher totals in a lot of those categories. They also cling to outside stuff like narratives and intangibles. Jones stayed loyal to Atlanta throughout his career, Boggs is the Chicken Man, Beltre kept a good-natured attitude no matter where he went. Rolen doesn’t have the eye-popping baseball card stats, he seemingly wore out his welcome with at least two of the teams he played for, he wasn’t a light hearted prankster, he didn’t have a compulsive urge to stuff his face with a whole chicken before every game, nor the longevity, etc. He definitely should get into the hall of fame due to his performance. He’s an all-time great defensive player, and he slugged the stitches off of the ball during his peak.

David CornuttMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

When I first started looking at JAWS ratings a few years ago, one of the first things I noted was “Wow, Scott Rolen ought to be in.” I had never thought about him that much, but after looking at the JAWS standings, I started digging into his numbers some more, and I realized the same thing you mentioned: he doesn’t look that great in traditional stats, but when you dig into his advanced stats, a different picture emerges. Every player in the JAWS ratings ahead of him is in, except Beltre, and that’s only because Beltre isn’t eligible yet.

dl80Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

And Arod, who had almost as many games at third as he did at short. Though he obviously wasn’t at third yet in 1999. If you don’t count Arod (who wasn’t at third yet), you have to count Ripken (who was).

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Cal Ripkin Jr. was a great shortstop who moved over to third base towards the end of his career.

The same is true of A-Rod.

AlbyMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

A-Rod wasn’t a great fielder at SS — he was good, not great, which was better than Jeter, but they weren’t going to move Jeter. And he moved mid-career, at age 28, not toward the end.

Ripken was a better fielder at SS and didn’t move to 3B until age 36.

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Alby

Did I not make the joke with A-Rod obvious enough?

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

He doesn’t have to count Ripken because Ripken isn’t one of the greatest third basemen of all-time.

B N
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

I think most people have the basic idea: his contributions relied heavily on silent contributions like walks and defense, with his total value just too well-rounded (strong everywhere, but not a standout in any one place).

A second less-tangible issue is the difficulty in placing his “passion for the game.” Some guys are like Rickey Henderson. That guy spent his whole life trying to hold onto the game and just never let go. It was incredible. He was taking coach jobs with the hope they might let him sign a contract to do some pinch hitting and running for a while. Especially for someone at the borderline, that kind of passion could really get you a few extra votes.

Rolen was clearly dedicated to the game. You don’t reach his level and bounce back from so many injuries without passion and grit. However, it’s easy to see significant times where he prioritized other things. He priorized being closer to his home (Reds) than trying to get to the best contender. He prioritized leaving the game while he was healthy enough rather than try to eke out whatever he could in the last few years he might have had at the end. Since he never shared much of himself with the media and he also faded out when he might have still had another good season left in the tank, I think that hurts his final stats line but also his perception as an all-time player.

AlbyMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  B N

Correction: He played standout defense. Standout. I watched Brooks Robinson, and Rolen was nearly his equal. I’ve never seen a 3B cut off so many balls that would normally be played by the SS from deep in the hole. Jimmy Rollins never had to make that throw until Rolen was traded.

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  B N

“He priorized being closer to his home…”

Closer to home in this case meaning “in the United States” not “near [his] house.”

“…than trying to get to the best contender. ”

What a bizarre way to frame requesting a trade a season-and-a-half after being spite-traded to a bad Blue Jays team and being acquired by the Reds (a transaction Rolen has zero control over), who promptly make the post-season two of the next 3 years while the Jays maintain their vice grip on 4th place finishes.

“He prioritized leaving the game while he was healthy enough”
–“Rolen spent two more seasons in Cincinnati, but protruding discs in his lower back and problems with both shoulders — culminating in offseason surgery to remove bone spurs and fragments from the perennially troublesome left one limited him…”

“…rather than try to eke out whatever he could”
–“…to a total of 157 games, 13 homers, an 86 OPS+ and 2.2 WAR.”

“…in the last few years he might have had at the end.”
Might have had? He had them. 2011-2012.

“he might have still had another good season left in the tank”
36 year old and 37 year old Scott Rolen didn’t have another good season left in the tank and there’s nothing stat/healthwise suggesting a magical return to form for 38 year old Scott Rolen.

“I think that hurts his final stats line”
Or it helps it. Or it’s neutral. Since we’re inventing something that didn’t happen, the possibilities are endless.

“but also his perception as an all-time player.”

Whose perception? The article is literally about the rapidly increasing consensus that Rolen belongs in the Hall, and this whole comments section is a chorus singing of Rolen’s greatness.

Wait a minute….Tony LaRussa is that you?

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  FranklinP

Franklin–

What is this weird parsing of every other phrase in the article? Dreams of becoming a copy editor? Post your own article in the contributors section so we can nitpick it to death already.

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Not sure what you mean. The only phrases from the article in my reply are:

“Rolen spent two more seasons in Cincinnati, but protruding discs in his lower back and problems with both shoulders — culminating in offseason surgery to remove bone spurs and fragments from the perennially troublesome left one limited him…”

and

“…to a total of 157 games, 13 homers, an 86 OPS+ and 2.2 WAR.”

The comment I was replying to, in throwing a li’l shade at Rolen’s “passion for the game,” said he retired while “healthy enough” and that he might have had one more good season in him. Responding with a couple lines from the article seemed more specific/constructive than just “he wasn’t healthy!” and “he didn’t!”

“Dreams of becoming a copy editor?”

You’re the guy fist-shaking at my formatting/grammar. I’m just talking about baseball stuff.

“Post your own article in the contributors section so we can nitpick it to death already.”

I’ve criticized this article zero times. Have picked not one nit from it…is that what you want my article to be about? How much I liked it?

shampain
4 years ago
Reply to  FranklinP

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but “being traded closer to home” did mean “closer to his house”. Cincinnati is the closest team to where he grew up and still lives: Southern Indiana.

It was also a good competitive situation. I’m a Cardinals fan, and everyone in the division knew the Reds were building something with those late-2000s teams. The division as a whole was down a little bit, which helped. They already had Votto, Phillips, Bruce, and a bunch of complementary hitters. They had a couple of solid vets (Harang and Arroyo) in the rotation, but more importantly had young arms starting to blossom (Cueto, Bailey, and Volquez). The bullpen was solid. So even though their record wasn’t great in 2009, it was clearly a young team on the rise. The next year they added Travis Wood and Mike Leake to that mix. Oh, and Aroldis Chapman.

It was a pretty good team.

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  B N

Also, no guys are like Rickey Henderson.

bdcb58Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  B N

How many surgeries does a player have to have and how old does he have to be before his decision to retire isn’t questioned.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Hopefully after a year where nobody got elected, the voters are desperate enough to do something that they’ll put Rolen in. He’s already gained one vote from someone who didn’t vote for him last year, so maybe that’s a harbringer of things to come. Of the people who didn’t vote for him, one voted for nobody and the other one is clearly a Phillies person (voted for Ryan Howard, Bobby Abreu, and Jimmy Rollins) and might be holding a bit of a grudge against Rolen based on how his tenure ended there.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
4 years ago

Rolen is a worthy HOFer and I expect he will get in. But if he did not make it, it would not be a Grand Injustice or anything; he is close tot he edge in terms of his record.

And seeing how Jay referenced Tony Olivia as a reference point for HOF election (as he should) once again saddened me that Kaat, Hodges, and Oliva (all fine players, don’t get me wrong) were selected for the HOF — they really lower the standards.

stanMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

I agree with you about the new hall of famers. I was very fond of Kaat and Oliva as players and I’m truly happy for them (Hodges was before my time) but in reality they didn’t actually belong. Really, no one should compare the guys who got in via the veteran’s committee to those who are getting in the normal way.

That said: Rolen absolutely belongs, and I’m amazed that he started out so low in the voting. Defense counts guys, and he’s one of the greatest of all time in addition to his perfectly acceptable hitting. He should have been in 5 years ago and I don’t honestly understand what the arguments are for waiting this long.

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  stan

My argument has always been that if Ozzie Smith is a Hall of Famer, then so too are Scott Rolen, Andruw Jones, Keith Hernandez, and Yadier Molina, while strong arguments can also be made for Kenny Lofton, and Jim Edmonds.

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Being the best defender in history at the game’s most challenging defensive position is a really good start towards the Hall of Fame. Add in terrific baserunning and a bat that grew from poor to solid contributor, and it’s easy to see why Ozzie Smith is in the HOF

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  Greg Simons

And that’s exactly why the others belong alongside Smith, as they each were incredible defensive players (and aside from Hernandez played positions among the higher end of the defensive spectrum) and put up just as much if not more offensive value as the Wizard did. (None of them were the baserunner Smith was, but they all hit for a lot more power.)

tomerafan
4 years ago
Reply to  Greg Simons

Sorry, but no – Mark Belanger, the best defensive 3B of all time, is not a Hall of Famer.

bdcb58Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

He said O. Smith’s defense was a good place to start … his offense was much better than Belanger’s, leading to about twice the fWAR for Smith.

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Could you expand on that? None of the players listed played the same position nor, except for Keith Hernandez, in the same era as Ozzie Smith. What does his presence in the HOF have to do with them?

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  FranklinP

They were all among the best defensive players at their positions all-time while putting up good but not great offensive numbers.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Ozzie Smith was a very mediocre hitter. All the guys Lanidrac mention were the best defenders at their position (debatably of all time) and were offensive assets as well (except molina)_. I think all have stronger cases than Ozzie Smith (except Molina who is a similar case to Smith). Although I would vote for all of them.

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Mediocre is pushing it. Ozzie and Molina still put up excellent OBPs, were hard to strike out, were offensive weapons in their primes, and racked up 2,000+ hits and 400+ doubles. Ozzie also had over 500 SBs, while Molina will wind up with nearly 200 HRs.

But yes, the point is that their offense was only good enough to supplement their amazing defense to an overall Hall of Fame level.

stanMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Ozzie is 9th among shortstops in WAR. That *should* be the end of the discussion and he should be a lock for the hall…. until you consider that Scott Rolen was 9th among third basemen and Ted Simmons was 9th among catchers and both guys have/had a heck of a time getting into the hall. Its odd how Ozzie had an unnaturally easy entry and the other two had an unnaturally difficult entry and all three played before the same fanbase.

LenFuegoMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  stan

Never forget that it is a Hall of “Fame” … Ozzie was on SportsCenter just about every night for some play he made and was voted the All-Star game starter by the fans many many times. Heck, lots of fans came to the park just to witness Ozzie Smith play. He is the epitome of a famous player. Simmons and Rolen, not so much. It should be no surprise at all that Ozzie sailed into the HoF.

stanMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

Wasn’t Rolen on the highlights every night too though? What you’re saying is true of Simmons, but it sure seemed like Rolen made his own ridiculous set of highlights to equal Ozzie’s. He was also “famous” but kept getting hurt to keep him off of all star teams whereas Ozzie was pretty consistently healthy.

shampain
4 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

Ozzie was much more flamboyant and charismatic. He would do bat flips when he ran out to SS in the top of the 1st at home games. Rolen would rather die than do something like that. He played in three World Series during a highly stylistic era “Whiteyball” in a storied franchise’s history, which happened to end the dry spell following the years of Gibby, Brock, and (overlapping with them) Stan Musial. He was the best defensive player at the hardest defensive position, probably of all time.

Rolen can say some of those things, but not all of them.

stanMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Keith Hernandez doesn’t belong in that group, either defensively or overall. He’s 47th in defense among 1st basemen according to fangraphs. The others are at the very top. Hernandez also isn’t close offensively to his peers. I think Lofton and Edmonds are in that group that will probably get in eventually via the Veteran’s Committee, and rightly so. They’re fringy candidates even with the great defense.

Hank G.Member since 2016
4 years ago

What’s wrong with this clause:

;not only did he follow the second-largest year-to-year gain (18.1%) with the largest one (17.6%) in back-to-back cycles…

?

Hank G.Member since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Hank G.

It appears that Mr. Jaffe is talking about the year-to-year gain for that particular year, but boy, that is not obvious (at least to me).

Mean Mr. Mustard
4 years ago

I suspect that the paucity of third basemen in the Hall is due to the fact that so few of them put up the same numbers that outfielders and first basemen do. For whatever reason, they’ve historically been held up to those hitting standards even though so few have reached them. The importance of defense has only seemed to matter for narrative purposes (Robinson) rather than being taken as seriously a component in their quality of play as, say, a shortstop.

I feel that if third base was treated as a unique position in the consideration, rather than as basically a DH who happens to play the field, the composition of enshrinees would be much more equitable.

joelbarlow
4 years ago

we’re headed towards a massive HOF. can’t wait to teach my grandkids about Harold Baines, Jim Kaat, every closer, Jim Rice and the rest

AlbyMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Yes, that will certainly diminish the sport — among people with their heads in the wrong place. I pity your grandkids.

Baltimore, MurraylandMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I’m an avid reader of the comments on FG’s HoF pieces. Great players who voters overlook or reject inspire an aggregate commenter tone just short of outrage, like the response to the Dick Allen snub. But when it comes to less good players who get in, the aggregate commenter tone is closer to dismay. That’s what I like about the FG commentariat. Outrage that the deserving don’t get honored, mere dismay that sometimes the less deserving do, the outrage usually related to the dismay. That strikes me as the right balance. Because the less deserving players who get in were still good, and the HoF is a really nice thing to happen to them.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Joel–

Were you going to “tell your grandkids” about all of the completely unworthy players from pre-1950 who were enshrined long, long ago? Lloyd Waner, Tommy McCarthy, Ray Schalk, Rabbit Maranville?

(In either case they’ll probably wonder why gramps is ranting again and think you may have missed your naptime.)

stanMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

You’re right about these too (though I think Maranville is arguably worthy). Schalk is clearly in due to his steadfast truth-telling in the black sox, btw. However, the existence of two or three mistakes in the hall is certainly no excuse to throw the gates wide open.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  stan

Totally agree with that sentiment, but acting as if these recent additions are the ones that “ruined the hall for his grandkids” is a tad rich.

stanMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I truly agree. There’s certainly an asterisk for the veterans’ committee additions (and Jim Rice) that weakens the hall as a whole. Really, they should have a separate wing for the veteran’s committee guys, or even just a plaque like there is for sportswriters.

The Duke
4 years ago

The great Cardinal teams of Rolens era had Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Molina and Wainwright. Pujols is a lock, Rolen might get in, Molina might get in, Edmonds will need a vets committee save and Wainwright will need three more great seasons to have a shot.

olethrosMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

Wainwright and Rolen only overlapped for two seasons. Rolen at this point is a lock, I’m pretty sure Molina gets in pretty quickly, Pujols is a no-doubter, Edmonds damn well should be in. Waino doesn’t stand a chance.

shampain
4 years ago
Reply to  olethros

Well they won a World Series in one of those years, so it’s noteworthy. Those are all stars of very competitive era.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

Wainwright getting three more great seasons will be tough since he says he’s retiring after 2022. He could change his mind I suppose.

olethrosMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Technically Waino hasn’t committed to retirement but it’s extremely likely. Molina has definitively stated that this is his final season.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago

An easy yes for me. Lots of Cardinal fans did think they had 3 HOF players in 2004-6 in Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen, but they also thought that others might not agree on Edmonds and Rolen.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

I recall playing Pursue the Pennant and drafting Rolen in the second round! he was the best all round third basemen in the game then. My gut tells me it makes no sense he is not in the hall already. Should have been in on the first ballot.

wroehl
4 years ago

As sweet as 2007–2011 was for the Phillies, it still bothers me that they wasted Scott Rolen’s early career. And Bobby Abreu’s. And Jimmy Rollins’. And Pat Burrell’s. And Jim Thome’s once they signed him. And all of Mike Lieberthal’s career. It was like they were trying to prove they could win without any pitching. They couldn’t.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  wroehl

Randy Wolf raises his hand, lowers it, and hangs his head.

(He was serviceable for several years, but “serviceable” is not quite the equivalent of an ace.)

LenFuegoMember since 2025
4 years ago

Rolen is Hall of Very Good for me.

MVP voting is big for me to see what a player was thought of during their career. Rolen finished 4th, 14th, 20th and 24th the only times he got any MVP votes at all … that means his four very very best seasons, he was considered to be about the 8th, 28th, 40th and 48th most valuable player in baseball that year. In no other seasons did he receive any MVP consideration at all.

That puts Rolen at 445th in Baseball Reference’s career MVP Award Shares metric. Here are a few randomly selected teammates of Rolen’s who have a much higher MVP Award Shares ranking, none of whom even survived the first ballot as a candidate: Jim Edmonds (312th), Ron Gant (315th), Lenny Dykstra (335th), Tino Martinez (385th).

Notably, also, the seasons where he got MVP votes were spread out — there were always at least 2 seasons between MVP votes (1998, 2001, 2004, 2010). That is just not the way you make a splash to establish yourself as a must-watch Hall of Fame type player.

The other chance he had to make a splash was in the postseason, but in 5 career postseasons, he hit just .220/.302/.376. On the World Series stage, he was miserable in 2004, going 0 for 15, and then quite good in his other one in 2006 (which his Cardinals won in 5 games), going 8 for 19 with an HR, but alas, the immortal David Eckstein got the MVP.

So, yeah, very good player, probably underappreciated. I like him … just not a Hall of Famer.

FranklinP
4 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

“MVP voting is big for me to see what a player was thought of during their career.”

Using the context/explanation-free MVP voting of a rotating group of 30 BBWAA members seems woefully inadequate to accurately gauge perception of a player during his career, and in the context of HOF consideration the entire exercise seems pointless.

“Here are a few randomly selected teammates of Rolen’s”

Okay…

“who have a much higher MVP Award Shares ranking”

So they weren’t randomly selected.

“none of whom even survived the first ballot as a candidate”
Jim Edmonds (312th), Ron Gant (315th), Lenny Dykstra (335th), Tino Martinez (385th).”

So given that Rolen’s results four years on the ballot are as follows:
2018 BBWAA (10.2%)
2019 BBWAA (17.2%)
2020 BBWAA (35.3%)
2021 BBWAA (52.9%)
MVP Award Share/Share Rank doesn’t illustrate/correlate to/be used as a metric for HOF consideration.

“that means his four very very best seasons, he was considered to be about the 8th, 28th, 40th and 48th most valuable player in baseball that year.”

No it doesn’t. Those aren’t Player Rankings, ranked by perceived value, they’re just voting results lists. It means he had the 8th, 28th, 40th, and 48th most vote points in those respective seasons’ MVP voting. No consideration, just math.

“Notably, also, the seasons where he got MVP votes were spread out — there were always at least 2 seasons between MVP votes (1998, 2001, 2004, 2010).”

That’s not notable.

“That is just not the way you make a splash to establish yourself as a must-watch Hall of Fame type player.”

So, again, given that Rolen’s results in four years on the ballot are as follows:
2018 BBWAA (10.2%)
2019 BBWAA (17.2%)
2020 BBWAA (35.3%)
2021 BBWAA (52.9%)

…maybe instead of MVP Voting, find something else to be big for you in your evaluations. Might I suggest players’ performances? There’s a whole article about Rolen’s career and a link to his stats. You should check it out.

brock20
4 years ago
Reply to  FranklinP

Ken Tremendous?

bdcb58Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

MVP votes usually favor offense.