Jeff Sullivan FanGraphs Chat — 12/14/18
9:06 |
: Hello friends |
9:06 |
: Welcome to Friday baseball chat |
9:06 |
: Do you consider Die Hard a Christmas movie? |
9:06 |
: I don’t care |
9:06 |
: Who plays 1B for the Rays next year? Everything I’ve seen points to Yandy Diaz being better at 3B and Ji-Man Choi being a butcher in the field |
9:07 |
: I think there’s still a decent chance the answer isn’t yet in the organization |
9:08 |
: But there’s an even stronger chance the answer, for most of the season, is Nate Lowe |
9:09 |
: I know Lowe started last year in High-A, but he got all the way up to Triple-A, and his final slash line was .330/.416/.568 |
9:09 |
: 2018 was a big year for the Lowes with Tampa Bay |
9:10 |
: Can you compare the value of Thor and JTR please? If it were a 1 for 1, who would need to send what back to even it out? |
9:12 |
: The obvious point in Syndergaard’s favor is that he has three more years of control, while Realmuto has two. But Realmuto is better, and since he’s a position player, he’s more likely to stay healthy. Syndergaard, of course, has spent his time on the DL |
9:13 |
: I don’t think the Marlins would want to target someone like Syndergaard as the centerpiece of a return, given where they are in the cycle, but the Mets would need to add on to strike a balance |
9:14 |
: Looking at the FG depth charts, it looks like the 2019 Mets have a good chance at making the playoffs. Whoo-hoo! But then I remember that was the case heading into 2017 and 2018 too. Ugh. Third time’s the charm? Or am I like Charlie Brown, believing that THIS time, Lucy won’t snatch away the football at the last moment? |
9:14 |
: The Mets have a pretty good team. Not an elite team, but a pretty good team. They’ve had a lot of rotten luck the last couple seasons. I expect them to be competitive, but I expect the same of three other teams in the same division, so absolutely nothing can be taken for granted |
9:15 |
: Right now I think I’m looking at the Nationals as the narrow NLE favorites |
9:17 |
: Just left a message with the Braves. Said “Haniger’s yours for Kyle Wright, Ian Anderson, and Bryse Wilson.” What do you think they’ll say? Did I ask for enough? Should I have asked for Riley or Pache instead of one of the pitchers? |
9:19 |
https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2019-prospect-list?team=… : Here is the Braves’ prospect list: |
9:19 |
: Wright and Anderson are at 55 FV, with Wilson at 50 |
9:20 |
: I don’t think the Mariners would be out of line in making such a request, and since they’re all pitchers I don’t think the Braves would be crazy to accept it, but the Braves would *probably* just rather go sign Michael Brantley or something |
9:21 |
: They made the playoffs but they still probably don’t want to push that many chips into the middle of the table |
9:22 |
: I don’t remember Jerry DiPoto being quite as trade-addicted as he’s been in Seattle. Why do you think he’s gotten so trade-happy? Is there something in the water? |
9:23 |
: He was presumably given instructions to build a competitive roster, and he had to do so with a bad farm and with a lot of money on the books. So he tried to one-red-paperclip his way into the playoffs |
9:24 |
: Almost worked. Now they’re taking a step back, and that calls for plenty of trade activity |
9:25 |
: What would a 3-way trade with Thor to the Padres, JTR to the Mets, and _______ to Miami look like? |
9:27 |
: Maybe something built around Mejia and Margot. But the Mets, in this case, would probably want Margot, so they’d have to send more to the Marlins |
9:27 |
: I wouldn’t count on this one happening |
9:30 |
: Do you have a trade idea that would simultaneously benefit both teams and infuriate both fanbases? |
9:30 |
: Taking my time with this one |
9:30 |
: Not as easy as I thought it would be |
9:31 |
: Madison Bumgarner for Peter Alonso? |
9:31 |
: Hell yeah, that’s the one |
9:32 |
: Who can Cleveland push Yonder Alonso off to? |
9:32 |
: Colorado? |
9:33 |
: I don’t think Alonso’s a total lost cause, and he’s not that expensive. Would make the Rockies a hair better, even |
9:34 |
: Are the Marlins blowing this JTR trade? Have they already received their best offer and turned it down hoping for something more that they won’t get? |
9:34 |
: Not going to judge the Marlins until the end of this. I don’t think they’ve blown it yet. Nothing *has* to get done by the end of the winter meetings |
9:36 |
: Gerrit Cole was traded in January. Christian Yelich was traded in January. Steven Souza was traded in February |
9:37 |
: Granted, the Yelich trade doesn’t look good today, but I thought it was fair at the time. The Marlins didn’t blow that one |
9:37 |
: If you were in my position, would you have traded Segura in this market? Or held out to see if we could get more in season? |
9:38 |
: I don’t think it would’ve been worth holding out until July. What’s the upside? You might get one more 40 FV pitching prospect? I’d rather just get Crawford and be done with it so I can move on down my to-do list |
9:39 |
: Do you have a player that you admit isn’t special but you particularly enjoy watching? |
9:39 |
: Tyler Glasnow |
9:40 |
: Marcus Stroman |
9:40 |
: Freddy Peralta for sure |
9:40 |
: I love pitching |
9:41 |
: Incomplete pitching |
9:41 |
: Why Billy Hamilton? Why? |
9:42 |
: They probably think he’s a younger Jarrod Dyson, and they liked Jarrod Dyson |
9:42 |
: I think Brian Goodwin is kind of interesting, but realistically, even though the Royals aren’t good, it’s not like Hamilton is blocking the next hot-shot prospect |
9:43 |
: Can you be any more Dipoto? |
9:43 |
: Not to make light of the health situation but I do think that was maximum Dipoto |
9:43 |
: How good are the Phillies now? Outside of Nola and potentially Hoskins there isn’t a lot of top talent. Are the high expectations assuming they sign a Harper or Machado? |
9:43 |
: I do think there’s an assumption the Phillies can and are going to spend more than they will |
9:44 |
: They’re not going to go right back to their all-time top payrolls |
9:45 |
: As is, I think they’re an average team. They still need help. But I think they’re going to get two more players of significance |
9:45 |
: One position player, and one reliever |
9:45 |
: I just wanted to remind everyone that, despite FG and other sites where baseball fans have a decided analytical bent, the typical baseball fan that posts on team-oriented sites, Twitter feeds, etc. are the overwhelming majority of fans. I was reminded of that fact when reading the comments from “Cleveland Fan” about the three-way trade yesterday. |
9:46 |
: This is definitely a bubble. We exist in a really niche bubble |
9:46 |
: It just so happens to be a bubble that’s in general alignment with how actual teams now operate, but that doesn’t mean the average fans care |
9:48 |
: I have a growing feeling the Bryce Harper will not get a record breaking contract. Just feels like the market won’t value him that way against other players on shorter deals. Is that off base? |
9:50 |
: Jason Heyward signed for 8/$184m, with two opt-outs, going into his age-26 season. Bryce Harper is also going into his age-26 season. There’s more money in the game now than there used to be, and between 23-25, Heyward was the better defender, but Harper has been the better hitter, by 16 points of wRC+ |
9:51 |
: Offense, of course, is still weighted more heavily than defense, and Harper has flashed that Hall-of-Fame level talent in his one peak season. I think the reality of Harper is still lower than the perception, but I’m not yet at the point where I doubt that he’ll get something enormous |
9:51 |
: Personally, I’m waiting on the Dodgers to clear out their outfield |
9:53 |
: Your DD, congratulations on your WS win, how do you address the loss of Kelly, impending loss of Kimbrel, and then next offseasons FA’s, including JDM? |
9:53 |
: Money |
9:53 |
: I spend money |
9:54 |
: There’s no shortage of available relievers. Don’t need to get anchored to Kimbrel and Kimbrel alone. Not that worried about losing Kelly |
9:55 |
: Relievers are available now, and relievers will be available in July. The Red Sox are so good already that they don’t need to be desperate |
9:55 |
: Does it matter much who the Orioles manager ends up being? |
9:55 |
: Yeah, but not in ways we’ll ever really understand |
9:57 |
: Nobody is really going to complain because it’s the Rays, but isn’t it odd that the MLB approved a trade in which the Rays sent money to cover part of a contract for a player that was never on their team? Could you imagine the uproar if the Yankees paid for Choo’s contract in a trade to the White Sox (random example) in exchange for prospects? |
9:57 |
: I don’t know all the ins and outs of what MLB can and can’t approve, but we’ve already seen a long record of teams effectively buying prospects by accepting a bad contract. This is just removing the human aspect |
9:59 |
: If the Yankees traded for Shin-Soo Choo, and absorbed the whole contract, and they got prospects along with that, and then if they sent Choo directly to the White Sox while paying him almost entirely off — well, that could happen today, in theory. It’s one advantage of being a bigger-budget ballclub |
10:00 |
: Was Mo ever a top 30 player in baseball? He is a HOF’er for sure, I just see at least 7 hitters and 4 pitchers I would have a hard time voting for him over. I know this sounds absurd to most. |
10:01 |
: It’s always important to remember that Rivera had a career 0.70 playoff ERA over 141 innings. 11.7 playoff WPA, in the highest-leverage games |
10:02 |
: Yeah, there was that one Game 7 where everything just went wrong, but Rivera gets more of a playoff boost than anybody else ever has |
10:03 |
: I don’t know if he was ever a top-30 player — after all these years I *still* don’t know how highly to value great relievers — but for what the Hall of Fame is supposed to be, Rivera was frequently top-30 by those standards |
10:05 |
: Claudio for a competitive-balance pick seems like a good deal for both sides. When are they going to open things up and allow trading of regular picks? |
10:05 |
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/teams-should-be-allowed-to-trade-draft… : Pat Andriola from 2010: |
10:06 |
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/should-mlb-make-all-draft-picks… : Mark Polishuk from May: |
10:06 |
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/ask-ba-should-mlb-teams-be-all… : JJ Cooper from June: |
10:07 |
: Here’s Cooper: “But the bigger problem is that any added excitement created by trading draft picks would be wiped away the first time a team sold a top-10 pick to a large revenue team for salary relief on a bad contract, which would happen. In other words, trading draft picks would only highlight the differences between high revenue teams and low revenue ones.” |
10:08 |
: But here’s Polishuk: “The general consensus was that the ability to trade picks would greatly elevate fan interest in the draft — trades are, of course, major reasons why the NFL, NBA, and NHL drafts carry a higher profile than MLB’s amateur selection process. One American League exec claimed widespread support for the pick-trading idea (“I don’t know anybody who’s not in favor of that at this point“) around the game, though no changes of this nature were implemented when the new collective bargaining agreement was agreed upon in the 2016-17 offseason.” |
10:10 |
: I’m more on the pro-trade side. It’s already possible for a team to package a bad contract with a good prospect. Packaging a bad contract with a high draft pick is no different. There would be real logistical concerns, but I think since MLB has already gotten part of the way there, they’ll eventually allow all picks to be moved. At the same time, I don’t think that’s a priority for the next CBA |
10:13 |
: For a rule 5 player, does he or she have to clear waivers before a team can trade for the rights to demote the player? |
10:13 |
: I don’t believe so |
10:14 |
: I was wrong! |
10:14 |
: “If a team wants to keep a Rule 5 pick and send him to the minors, that player must clear waivers and then the team has to work a trade with the club that previously had him.” |
10:15 |
: Seems pretty explicit right there |
10:18 |
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/03/twins-working-on-deal-to-keep-s… : On the other hand: |
10:18 |
: “Atlanta originally signed Diamond as an undrafted free agent back in 2007. If the Twins are unable to work out a trade to keep him, he would have to first clear waivers and be offered back to the Braves before he could go to the minors.” |
10:19 |
: So maybe…I…was right? This hasn’t been very helpful |
10:19 |
: If I had to *guess*, you would and should be able to make a trade before ever exposing the player to waivers |
10:21 |
: I’m sorry for having spent so long on this |
10:21 |
: Why haven’t the Dodgers made a 6-team trade yet? |
10:22 |
: I do keep waiting for them to break this market open |
10:22 |
: But they have the best blockbuster fits with the Indians and the Marlins, and the Indians have been busy doing other things, while the Marlins are still trying to pit every Realmuto suitor against one another |
10:22 |
: It’ll burst before too long |
10:23 |
: I think what’s lost in yesterday’s 3-team trade is that the Indians needed a replacement for EE in 2020. They were already on the hook for the $5 million buyout, and now fill their 2020 1B/DH for only $12.5 million more. If Santana is a 2-WAR player in 2020, that’s likely a better pickup than what you could net in free agency. Agree with this? |
10:24 |
: Somewhat. When we’re talking about the DH slot, I don’t think it’s necessary to plan a year in advance, since there are always hitters around. Santana just put up a 109 wRC+. The year before, he was at 115. You don’t *need* to acquire a player like this early |
10:25 |
: CJ Cron projects for a 115 wRC+ and he was freely available. Ditto Justin Bour and his 114 wRC+ projection |
10:25 |
: Santana is fine, but I think it was mostly motivated by money |
10:27 |
: Will Elvis Luciano be pitching in the Majors in 2020? |
10:27 |
: Nah |
10:28 |
: Anthony Alford for Lucas Giolito – who says no? |
10:29 |
: Guessing White Sox. Giolito was bad for most of 2018, but so was Alford, and Alford was bad in Triple-A |
10:30 |
: How do y’all come up with the depth charts projections for playing time? It seems pretty clear the Astros intend to use McHugh as a starter right now, but he’s listed as a reliever. |
10:31 |
: I should probably go in and give McHugh some starter innings, at least for the time being. Hard to stay on top of everything, but also so much of it right now is guesswork since rosters are incomplete in the middle of December. By February and March is when everything should be at its most accurate. Even the Astros don’t know yet what their rotation is going to look like |
10:32 |
: What happens with Vogelbach? |
10:32 |
: I think by spring training there will be a lane toward action at 1B/DH, mostly DH |
10:33 |
: He might have to wait for the second half of the season, but Encarnacion isn’t long for this roster, and I don’t think Bruce/Healy will be that high of an obstacle |
10:34 |
: Who’s the closer for the 2019 Red Sox? |
10:34 |
: Kimbrel actually seems like the most likely out of all the individual names |
10:34 |
: I’d take the field over Kimbrel, but I’d take Kimbrel over any other single option |
10:35 |
: Did the Brewers truly rebuild or are they riding a wave of luck? Of their 2.0 fWAR or > players, none were drafted or signed by them. They don’t have much in the pipeline. Most of their value came from FAs or Yelich. |
10:37 |
: It doesn’t really matter how you rebuild provided the roster is rebuilt. The Brewers look completely different from how they used to. They were good in 2017, and better in 2018. They’ll be competitive again in 2019, and their only pending free agents are Chacin and Albers. They converted prospects into Yelich, who just won the NL MVP, and he’s under affordable control for four more years |
10:38 |
: The Brewers are rebuilt. They just didn’t blow it up like the Astros did |
10:39 |
: Is there enough there to build a trade around Stroman and Swanson? |
10:39 |
: Yes |
10:39 |
: You’d have to convince the Braves of that, though |
10:39 |
: as a jays fan i am sad about tulo 🙁 |
10:40 |
: It was a strange feeling to be on for an MLB Now segment the other day, sitting directly to the right of Dan O’Dowd, who signed Tulowitzki to that contract |
10:40 |
: If it makes you feel any better, Tulowitzki will be able to find a more suitable opportunity now. He wasn’t going to start for Toronto |
10:41 |
: Where does Cleveland play Jake Bauers? |
10:41 |
: I think he’ll basically split time between 1B and corner outfield, and Alonso will be gone |
10:42 |
: Do you think the Cubs have enough as it is? Even if 3 guys regress to being good, especially KB, would they be the favorites? |
10:43 |
: The Cubs are strong. I still don’t love their limited pitching depth, but right now I’d pick them as a slight NLC favorite |
10:43 |
: We’ll see how much more the Cardinals do |
10:45 |
: Would Joey Gallo be an adequate replacement for Markakis? |
10:45 |
: He’d be fine, but I don’t know if he’s an Atlanta type of player, and I don’t know how motivated the Rangers are to trade him. Michael Brantley feels obvious |
10:46 |
: Thoughts on the Indians trade and how the rest of their off season plays out? Do they still trade a pitcher? |
10:47 |
: I think they’re less likely to trade a pitcher than they used to be, but I’m still waiting for it to happen. Yesterday made them a little bit better, but they can still turn a 2- or 3-year player into several years of team control by landing a prospect haul |
10:47 |
: Alonso will get dumped somewhere. And they remain a great trade fit with the Dodgers |
10:48 |
: Profar to SD to play 3rd seems like a no-brainer. How much trade value does he have with just 2 years of control left? |
10:48 |
: Limited. His trade value is positive for sure, but my guess is that he’s a backup plan, and that the Padres are aiming higher |
10:50 |
: Whose more likely to win the NL CY next year, Kershaw of Buehler? |
10:50 |
: Kershaw |
10:50 |
: Barely |
10:51 |
: I kinda think now is a good time for the Reds to give Winker a contract extension offer. What do you think? |
10:52 |
: Never a bad idea for a team to try to lock up a potential core young player. I have no idea how receptive Winker might be to the prospect, and the Reds might choose to wait to see how Winker bounces back from surgery, but there’s so much offensive upside in a guy who had more walks than strikeouts. Good time to arrange a long-term commitment |
10:52 |
: Did the ears of Portland perk up when the Rays made their stadium announcement? |
10:52 |
: I don’t know, because I was in Las Vegas |
10:53 |
: The Rays moving across the continent is now a little bit more likely than before |
10:55 |
: It seems unconscionable for the Royals to lose Luciano. How did they not factor his Rule 5 status they traded for him? Granted, its somewhat insignificant, but certainly seems like glaring gaffe. So many questions |
10:56 |
: The Royals, of course, were aware that Luciano was eligible to be picked. I just assume they figured no one would choose an 18-year-old who’s topped out in the Pioneer League |
10:57 |
: Pretty good chance Luciano ends up back with the Royals. Now, did the Royals know about his contract situation at the time of the trade? I don’t know that. I don’t have all the information. But I could stand to have more before I consider it a huge mistake |
10:58 |
: How is the mariners “rebuild” going from your perspective? What grade would you give it? |
10:59 |
: C+. Maybe a B-. Probably a C+. I’m lower on Sheffield than they are, but I like Swanson quite a bit. Going to be fun to monitor his 2019 progress |
11:00 |
: I know the Segura trade didn’t net a whole bunch, but that’s more the market’s fault than the fault of the Mariners, and Crawford isn’t a bad player |
11:00 |
: Robbie Ray to the Brewers seems like a good fit |
11:01 |
: Brewers are running out of prospects they’d be willing to trade, and that would have real value |
11:01 |
: Yandy Diaz…I have to say that I really don’t get all of the excitement over him. Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t think he will live up to the hype people are placing on him. NOTE: I asked Alexa yesterday if Die Hard was a Christmas movie and she confirmed that it was. |
11:02 |
: Diaz is fundamentally a player-development project. Fantastic suite of tools, but he’s an adjustment away from being a great hitter. You can’t teach his eye, though, nor can you teach his contact quality. Bauers doesn’t hit the ball like Diaz does. He just has a traditionally more pleasing swing to look at |
11:03 |
: I think the Bauers skillset is easier to find. Hardly any kind of guarantee Diaz reaches or approaches his ceiling, but players like that are seldom available after they make the leap |
11:03 |
: Did the Rays make a mistake trading me? |
11:04 |
: According to the Indians, yes. According to the Rays, no |
11:04 |
: How about Jason Vosler at 3B for the Pads since he didn’t go in the Rule 5? |
11:05 |
: They’re going to want a true regular |
11:05 |
: Do you still believe that Ketel Marte has that extra gear? I think he had too many conflicting coaches (Van Scoyoc and Magadan) in his ear last season. Intrigued by the CF possibility too… |
11:05 |
: Still like him. He didn’t do as much as I thought he could, but he’s got time |
11:06 |
: Where’d you get the sweater you were wearing on MLBN? |
11:06 |
: Love that sweater |
11:06 |
: The hell with suits. You don’t need to wear a suit to be on television |
11:07 |
: For the love of god, it’s MLB Network, not the Kennedy Center |
11:07 |
: The Red Sox seem to be sitting pat and waiting for a steal to fall to them. Are they being aggressive enough this offseason? Seems like they should be more active at least in the reliever market. |
11:08 |
: They just gave $68 million to Nathan Eovaldi, who had the busiest market in baseball |
11:08 |
: I can guarantee you that the Red Sox are active |
11:08 |
: Odds SD keeps both Mejia and Hedges tbrough the offseason? |
11:08 |
: 50% |
11:09 |
: Right now, assuming there are no more signings or trades, what team do you think is most likely to make the playoffs that didn’t last year? |
11:10 |
: Nationals, followed by the Rays, followed by the Mets |
11:11 |
: As it stands, the 2019 Mariners aren’t a horrible team. Do you think it’s possible for them to rebuild properly while still fielding a 70-75 win team? |
11:11 |
: The Brewers went from 82 wins to 68, to 73, to 86, to 96 |
11:11 |
: It’s not obligatory to completely bottom out. The Mariners have mostly targeted young players who are close to the majors |
11:12 |
: Someone like Kikuchi could still make some sense |
11:13 |
: the Adam Ottovino/Babe Ruth thing had me thinking: how much of what studies show as age-related decline is actually time-related? I.e., a 40-year-old is not just slowing down, his training/form/instincts are getting outdated. If someone declines by X each year after 26, how much is age and how much is time? 90/10? 99/1? 100/0? I know there’s no way to do anything but guess, but a guess is all I want |
11:13 |
: Maybe something like 90/10 or 80/20? We know players get worse because bodies get worse, and we all live that, but also, the young players of today are just plain better than the young players of yesterday. Every rookie class is amazing, on its talent foundation |
11:13 |
: Odds that Encarnacion plays a game for Seattle? |
11:13 |
: 5% |
11:15 |
: Do you have any thoughts on the legal or ethical implications of orgs using wearables to track non-baseball activities like sleep and diet in their players? |
11:16 |
: I don’t want teams knowing how their players sleep, and I don’t want teams knowing how their players eat. Not completely, I mean, beyond just like asking them. The extent of it should be promoting positive sleeping habits, and making quality and nutritional food available |
11:17 |
: If a player volunteers to submit all of his own personal information to his employer, well, I don’t know how you say no. But it can’t go in the other direction |
11:17 |
: Rays trade for Realmuto, keep him and flip Zunino for Gray or somewhere, flip for Syndergaard, or keep all? |
11:17 |
: I don’t know why a roster would have both Realmuto and Zunino on it |
11:18 |
: The Rays seem like they’re going to be in need of making a consolidation trade. Realmuto isn’t the only player who would make sense, but he’s one of them |
11:18 |
: What do you think is going to happen with Felix? |
11:18 |
: He’ll begin the year as a starter. He’ll end the year as a reliever |
11:19 |
: AAA is going to start using the same ball as the majors this year. Do you think that’ll require much of a re calibration period for scouts and stat evaluation? |
11:19 |
: Should be subtle. And all the teams have Triple-A Trackman, so they’ll figure out what’s changing pretty fast |
11:20 |
: Will Seattle win 50 games next year? |
11:20 |
: Yes |
11:20 |
: Am I going to trade for Kluber or Realmuto, or just continue to work around the fringes? |
11:20 |
: I still expect a blockbuster |
11:20 |
: Wouldn’t it just be easier for the Mets to sign Ramos and keep Thor? |
11:20 |
: Yes |
11:20 |
: Ross Atkins mentioned having 18 year old rule 5er Elvis Luciano brought in to face Aaron Judge this year. How strange and (un)realistic would such cruel punishment be? |
11:21 |
: Very strange, but not cruel. Might even be the highlight of Luciano’s career! |
11:21 |
: All right, I need to get rolling |
11:21 |
: So thank you everybody for hanging out, and I’m sorry for what I didn’t or couldn’t address. We’ll do it again next week at the same time, and until then, be well and have great days |
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.