Joe Maddon’s Other Curious Decision

Andrew Miller, for once, didn’t look invincible. After relieving Corey Kluber in the top of the seventh inning, he walked Kyle Schwarber — who answered all of the questions about rust and timing in that fantastic at-bat — and then gave up a single to Javier Baez, loading the bases with nobody out. Down 3-0, this was the Cubs shot at winning Game One, and potentially running away with the series; if Cleveland couldn’t win the home game where Kluber dominated on full rest, they weren’t going to have an easy time winning four more without that ideal setup.

But Miller, being the excellent pitcher that he is, got Willson Contreras to fly out to shallow center field, leaving the bases loaded. Then Addison Russell struck out, and Miller was one out away from getting out of the jam. The final at-bat of the seventh inning seemed like the Cubs last shot to win; a big hit in the gap would tie the game — or a home run would even give them the lead — but an out would end the rally, leaving the team down three with only six outs to go against Miller and the looming Cody Allen.

So when David Ross stepped up to the plate to take his chances against Miller, I was pretty surprised, to say the least.

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Ross, by all accounts, is a great dude. Everyone loves him. He’s an excellent defensive catcher, and he’s been an underrated player his whole career. But Ross is also a 39-year-old third string catcher who has hit .188/.291/.356, good for a 70 wRC+, in 558 plate appearances over the last three years. Given his age and overall performance record, Steamer projects Ross for a 71 wRC+ at this point, the kind of mark that is only acceptable from excellent defenders and veteran leaders who add value in ways other than hitting.

This is not the guy you want at the plate with the bases loaded in the World Series, which is why I fully expected to see a pinch hitter in that spot. But Maddon stuck with Ross, Miller struck Ross out, the rally ended, and the Indians went on to win 6-0.

Now, to be clear, this isn’t why the Indians won last night. They won because Corey Kluber was amazing — August Fagerstrom will have more on his dominance later this morning — and their offense put some runs on the board to support his dominance. Andrew Miller is so good that any hitter would have been likely to make an out there. This wasn’t letting Zach Britton sit in the bullpen while your team gets eliminated. And this game wasn’t a must-win for the Cubs, who now will likely be the favorites to win every game from here on out, given that Kluber will likely be starting on short-rest in his next two outings.

So, like the decision to start Chris Coghlan, this is really more of a thing to wonder about than any kind of pointed criticism. But I do have to wonder, if not for that kind of situation, what is Jorge Soler’s point of even being on the roster?

I know Soler has been up-and-down since his scintillating debut in 2014, and it can be frustrating watching a guy with obvious natural abilities fail to live up to early expectations. But Soler, disappointment and all, is a 24-year-old who has hit .258/.328/.434 as a big leaguer over the last three years; that’s a career wRC+ of 106. That’s not amazing or anything, but as a right-handed hitter who does damage on contact, it’s hard to imagine a situation that calls for his skillset more than being down three with the bases loaded and a left-hander on the mound.

During our live blog of the game, the general defense of the move was to point to Ross’ line against LHPs this year; he hit .283/.418/.528 against them, good for a 148 wRC+. But like quoting Coghlan’s numbers since getting traded back to Chicago, this is the kind of small-sample data that misleads more than it informs. For one, we’re talking about 69 plate appearances; anyone can do anything in less than 70 PAs. And despite Ross’ success against lefties this year, looking at the larger picture paints different story.

You know what David Ross’ wRC+ against lefties was last year? 3. Yes, 3. His career wRC+ of 100 against LHPs is basically exactly what we’d expect from a right-handed hitter with a career wRC+ of 93. There’s just no real reason to believe that Ross has special lefty-mashing powers, and like almost any right-handed hitter, a reasonable expectation of his performance against a lefty can be found by taking his current overall projection and adjusting up by about 10 percent. Except that, as a 39-year-old catcher who has been an average hitter over his career, he’s well below average the plate now, so even with the platoon advantage, Ross isn’t a very good option for the Cubs at the plate.

Soler, of course, has the same platoon advantage Ross does, since both are right-handed hitters. And Soler is simply a much better hitter at this point in his career than Ross is, especially when he makes contact. Both hitters have strikeout problems, but when Soler puts the bat on the ball, good things happen. Here are their relative lines when putting the ball in play over the last three years.

Soler and Ross, On Contact
Player PA BA SLG wOBA wRC+
Soler 479 0.374 0.628 0.421 169
Ross 305 0.309 0.564 0.363 129

For comparison, Anthony Rizzo has put up a .425 wOBA on balls in play over the last three years. The difference between Soler and Rizzo, at this point, is entirely control of the strike zone; when they hit the ball, similar things happen. Soler is the kind of guy who, if he got ahold of a mistake from Miller, could have easily tied the game with a ball in the gap. Or given the team the lead with a grand slam, if Miller really hung one.

Ross could have done that too, of course, but it was less likely, even after accounting for the pinch-hitting penalty that Soler would have faced. And it’s not like Ross was more likely to put the ball in play; his 67% contact rate from 2014-2016 is worse than Soler’s 69% mark. His only real advantage is that he’s a bit more selective, and he had a slightly higher chance of drawing a walk, but while a walk would have been nice, you’d still be down two at that point. Hoping for Ross to draw a walk so that Fowler could try and get a game-tying base hit against the best reliever in baseball is really stretching things, even if he did look mortal that inning.

The difference between having a below-average hitter and an average hitter up at the plate in one at-bat isn’t so large that the difference shows that Joe Maddon made a colossal mistake here or anything, but Soler is almost certainly a better hitter than Ross, and if he’s not going to pinch hit for Ross in the highest leverage situation you can imagine with a lefty on the mound, is there a scenario in which he’s going to be useful to the Cubs this series? That at-bat was exactly why you have a guy like Soler on the team, but instead, the Cubs sent their third string catcher up to try and tie the game against the best reliever on the planet.

Most likely, this will all be forgotten in a few hours. The Cubs get to throw Jake Arrieta against Trevor Bauer tonight, and given that they forced Miller to throw 46 pitches last night, they’re not likely to see much of him in Game Two. The Cubs remain the best team in baseball, and they still have a very good shot of winning the World Series.

And Jorge Soler probably would have struck out against Miller too. But given the alternative, I’m not really sure why we didn’t get to see him try.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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bbmoney
9 years ago

I don’t know that’s a nice number of plate appearances Ross had v lefties this year.

MPRox
9 years ago
Reply to  bbmoney

I didn’t know Rob Gronkowski read Fangraphs!

Bat
9 years ago
Reply to  bbmoney

Almost certainly mentioned above and I missed it, but Ross was 3 for 5 against Miller before last night’s at bat so this may have factored into Maddon’s decision as well?

Obviously 5 at bats spread out over a period of years – some of them when before Andrew Miller became Andrew Miller – isn’t a good indicator of the outcome of this particular at bat.

But I’m sure Maddon knew that Ross was 3 for 5 against Miller in his career and that may have impacted his decision.

Apologies if this was mentioned in the article and I didn’t see it.

bbmoney
9 years ago
Reply to  Bat

All of them were before Andrew Miller became ANDREW MILLER. All from 2010, when Miller posted an ERA north of 8 and a WHIP of 2.3+. Not to mention, 5 at bats. It wasn’t mentioned, because it wasn’t worth mentioning I’d wager.

Bat
9 years ago
Reply to  bbmoney

Yeah, I don’t know bbmoney.

I think it wasn’t worth mentioning for Cameron, and I’d agree with his SSS / ancient history reasoning.

But Maddon definitely would have known about the 3 for 5, and I’m not so sure it didn’t impact his thinking even if he didn’t say anything about this postgame, or at least I don’t think he did.

Managers tend to think about these match up / game strategy things a bit differently than stats guys. See Showalter, Buck and Britton, Zach.

Dave TMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Bat

I highly recommend reading this post – http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/when-you-should-ignore-the-data/

TLDR summary: “Batter/Pitcher match-up data has been shown to have no predictive value. ” Even when a batter has extremely dominated a pitcher over 20-30 PA’s (or vice versa), the actual future results have been basically average.

Tom Jitterbug
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

I don’t think Bat was suggesting that the batter/pitchup matchup history was worth considering, just that Maddon may have used this (flawed) statistic when making his decision.

Bat
9 years ago
Reply to  Tom Jitterbug

Exactly – thanks tomjakubowski.

southie
9 years ago

You let Schwarber hit twice vs Miller too? I question that given his career numbers vs L

Luy
9 years ago
Reply to  southie

redacted – I’m dumb.

noeckerrMember since 2016
9 years ago

Maddon pinch hits Soler, Tito just brings in Shaw/Allen? Were they warming?

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  noeckerr

I really don’t think that happens with 7 outs to go in the game. The plan all post season has been Miller/Allen splitting 9 outs. I thought it was very strange at the time as well, Maddon really wants to go down with Ross at the plate?!

My favorite part of it was Miller going slider – slider with the risk of a walking a run home.

noeckerrMember since 2016
9 years ago

Gotcha. And to be fair he very nearly did walk in that run. Here’s the link to Maddon’s interview where he’s asked about letting him hit: http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/207154102/joe-maddon-postgame-interview/

AlabamaShake
9 years ago
Reply to  noeckerr

**Maddon pinch hits Soler, Tito just brings in Shaw/Allen? Were they warming?**

One, I don’t think that happens. But two, fine by me! I’d rather have the Cubs facing Shaw/Allen than Miller.

bunslow
9 years ago

Coghlan’s numbers over 2.5 years with the Cubs are basically the same as the last .5 year with the Cubs, so I wouldn’t call that small sample size

KrisMember since 2025
9 years ago

Was there a defensive reason to stick with Ross? Or would they move Montero in to catch?

Lou BrownMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Kris

I think managers just don’t like to pinch hit for their starting catchers, because the worst case scenario is the backup gets hurt and they are stuck with an emergency catcher. There was a post on here a week ago about that actually.

bbmoney
9 years ago
Reply to  Lou Brown

True. But Cubs are carrying 3 catchers anyway.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  Lou Brown

Contreras starts for half the playoff rotation, and comes in after he pinch hits. So he gets ~65% of the catcher innings. Ross started the game, but he is by no means their starting catcher. Montero is the third catcher. Schwarber is even a catcher as well but obv still not 100%.

Dave TMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Lou Brown

Often true for teams with two catchers, but not at all true for the Cubs carrying 3 catchers. Certainly wasn’t true last night, because Ross didn’t play the entire game.

In fact, Ross left the game last night immediately after that AB against Miller. Contreras played catcher – he’d pinch hit for Coghlan earlier in that inning – and Almora came in to play RF, taking Ross’ place in the batting order.

bbmoney
9 years ago
Reply to  Kris

No. Contreras caught after that inning anyway. And Almora came in and played RF.

Lou BrownMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  bbmoney

You’re right. I went to sleep after the Miller inning. I have no way to defend Maddon’s line of thinking on this one.

kevinthecomic
9 years ago
Reply to  Kris

Ross is Lester’s personal catcher, but Lester didn’t come out for the bottom half of the inning, so no, there was no defensive reason to keep Ross in.

Tom Jitterbug
9 years ago
Reply to  kevinthecomic

I think Ross is a better defensive catcher than Contreras at this point. Willson has trouble with framing and Ross has an elite pop time and very good arm.

But since Ross came out of the game anyway, I guess Joe didn’t think the defensive advantage outweighed Contreras’s bat — which makes the decision to let Ross bat against Miller all the stranger.

scotman144Member since 2016
9 years ago

FWIW:

Ross had a 0.2 wSL Pitch/FX pitch value and 0.11 per 100 in 2016
Soler had a -1.0 wSL Pitch FX pitch value and -0.49 per 100 in 2016

Soler also put up a -6.2 wSL in 2015. If Maddon thinks Soler will get eaten alive by Miller’s slider after watching him be helpless against them all of 2015 as well maybe he’s not so appealing?

Full disclosure:

This is purely a devil’s advocate argument trying to get inside Maddon’s head. Ross has a -1.08 value on sliders per 100 career and Soler is at -1.26 per 100 career. One could squint and say that maybe against the slider Ross has an ever so slightly greater chance of doing something good. This also assumes that Miller will only throw sliders (since Soler has good values vs the fastball while Ross does not) and that is of course false.

Ghostofmeek
9 years ago

Are there data on pinch hitters effectiveness as compared to starters? Maddon explained his decision in part based on the fact that a pinch hitter would have to come off the bench to face Miller’s slider, whereas Ross was warmed up from having started.

minisidd
9 years ago
Reply to  Ghostofmeek

In the article he links to “the pinch-hitter penalty” that deals with this, as well as the DH penalty, and some other days off etc. penalties to expected wOBA.

JediHoyer
9 years ago

Right before this, on the Baez single I think zobrist should have been sent. It’s doubtful guyer even throws home. Against a 3 run lead it’s very important you get at least one. 10 runs or something holding him is fine since you need a huge inning but right there I would have liked him sent.

Second point, they were able to leverage Contreras at bat quite well, but between pinch hitter penalty and leverage of coghlans previous at bats its basically a wash. Kid needs to be starting every game. I have said this every time his name hasnt been in the lineup. He’s been the cubs 3rd best hitter since his call up, very close to Rizzo if you include a
Playoff ab’s.

Maddon certainly gets more passes than any manager in baseball. Defenders say
They keep winning and what not but the results don’t mean the process is correct.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Guyer did throw home, he was criticized for him not seeing Schwarber stray way too far off 2B, could have been an easy double play.

Alex K
9 years ago

That was the next batter. Schwarber was on 1st when Baez got that hit to load the bases.
Davis missed throwing Schwarber out after that.

JediHoyer
9 years ago

Guyer is white, Davis is black. I can see how it’s easy to confuse them.

Dave TMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

I don’t at all agree that the Cubs should have gotten aggressive sending Zobrist on the Baez single. There were no outs at the time. The Cubs were down 3 runs in the 7th inning.

The run expectancy of bases loaded with no outs is 2.292, with an 86.1% chance of at least 1 run scoring that inning. ( Per http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html ) The run expectancy drops dramatically if Zobrist is thrown out at home: RE24 of 1st and 2nd with 1 out is 0.884, with a 40.6% chance of at least one run scoring. So in this generic situation, it’s inexcusable to make the first out at home.

And, yes, I’ll agree with the proposition that the RE24 of bases loaded with no outs against Miller is lower than the league-wide 2.292 runs. But the Cubs were going to be facing better than league average pitchers for the rest of the game (Miller and Allen), so each inning is presumably going to look worse than the generic run expectancy at the start of an inning (.481).

A tough pitcher on the mound is an argument for getting aggressive sending a runner home with 2 outs in an inning, because there’s an increased probability that the next hitter makes an out anyway. It’s not at all an argument for risking making the first out at home when you need multiple runs to tie the game and have what’s likely to be your best chance at a multiple run inning.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Zobrist being thrown out is almost 0. Guyer has a below average arm on top of it being a soft liner that zobrist got a good jump on. So your whole premise about him being thrown out is moot, it’s similar to taking second base in a 3 run game without the catcher throwing down.

They didn’t need a multiple run inning, 1,1,1 ties the game. That’s why I made sure to include the point of mentioning the difference between a 10 run lead and a 3 run lead.

You yourself gave 86.1% chance of scoring, less with Miller. Shall we use 80%? Ok so in a ten inning game loading the bases every inning against Miller you are giving away 2 runs by not taking the free base.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

You are taking the game theory approach to base running while I am taking the exploitive.

Dave TMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Your argument rests on the point that home was a “free base”. If that’s the case, then it’s begging the question (in the correct sense of the term) because obviously a team should take a free base. I looked at the video, and I can’t get a good sense of where Zobrist was relative to 3rd when Guyer go to the ball – http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/63106348/v1209118683/ws2016-gm1-baez-smacks-single-to-load-the-bases

If I use generic run expectancies, Zobrist scoring adds up to 2.437 expected runs (1 run in, plus runners on 1st and 2nd with no out). Zobrist getting thrown out is 0.884 runs (runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out). Using simple algebra, Zobrist having a 90.7% chance to score is the break-even versus the 2.292 run probability of the bases loaded with nobody out.

If you want to wade into trying to adjust the above for Miller, be my guest. That would be a challenging exercise, and remember that it’s not fair to ding one of the expectancies for Miller without also dinging the others.

So, I’ll agree that you’re correct that Zobrist should have been sent home if he was more than about 90% likely to score. I can’t really argue that point one way or the other from anything that I’ve seen.

A key point, however, is that 1, 1, 1, only ties the game if the Cubs keep Cleveland from scoring any more runs over 3 innings. That’s obviously possible, but the probability of it isn’t anything like 100%. The probability of the Cubs scoring at least 3 runs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th inning dramatically overstates the chance of a comeback to tie the game, because the relevant probability is the Cubs scoring at least 3 runs MORE than the Indians score over remaining at bats.

There are of course situations where maximizing the probability of 1 run in an inning matters more than maximizing expected total runs in an inning, but down 3 runs in the 7th inning is emphatically not one of those situations.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Like I said your reasoning is sound, game theory optimal is basically maximizing run expectancy.

My side is more exploitive, more risk, more reward. (forcing a bad throw can create multiple runs before the next hitter) Also incorporates the meta game of getting one on the board and a 2 run lead is easier to overcome later than a 3 run lead should you fail to score not sending him.

I think both are valid. Was just my preference.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago

With the bases being loaded, maybe Maddon thought Ross had a better chance of hitting the ball hard in the air?

Ross last 3 years vs L: 43.3% FB% – 17.8% HR/FB – 186 PA
Soler last 3 years vs L: 38.1% FB% – 13.3% HR/FB – 198 PA

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

2 outs though.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

I didn’t know 2Bs & HRs don’t count w/2 outs.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

A home run is the only positive outcome? Line drives and grounders can go for doubles too.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Of course a HR is not the only positive outcome, but it is the best possible positive outcome, and the tendencies show that outcome is more likely with Ross than Soler. LDs can get you a 2B as well for sure, the guy I’m defending (Ross) had already hit 2 (LD) prior to this PA.

I wasn’t implying that he could hit a sacrifice fly with the 2 outs you mention. My thought was maybe he was trying to turn a 3 run deficient into a 1 run lead, with 2 outs.

This being a statistical site, I think it’s fair to add that, your comments to articles written ratio is off the charts!

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

Ross homered one in every 20.5 plate appearances this year, soler homered one in every 22. Smaller sample for ross as well but nonetheless the difference is so small hoping for that one outcome.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Ross homered one in every 17.5 PA vs L this season. Soler homered one in every 21. Ross last 3 years vs L: one HR every 23.25 PA. Soler last 3 years vs L: one HR every 33 PA. The smaller sample for Ross you bring up is: 186 PA for Ross & 198 PA for Soler.

I agree, the chances of a HR being hit is not likely. Most likely outcome for either one was making an out. My argument is the decision for Ross to stay in to face Miller instead of Soler was perfectly fine.

That said, when looking at BIP, they are so similar that, how can someone say it was a mistake to not PH with Soler. Ross has an ISO from the last 3 years near .300 vs L from BIP. I wonder if that comes into play w/2 out?

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

I’m not using miniscule vs lefty samples, I’m cringing enough using the yearly total for part time players.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

So if the samples are too small, how can anybody (including me) say one-way-or-another what should have been done?

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

Like Dave did, using the last 3 years of data to get a bigger sample. Miller is actually better against righties than lefties so the idea whichever hits lefties better anyway is flawed.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

1. I used 3 years of data as well, that of which is relevant facing a LHP in Miller.
2. Are you suggesting that Maddon should’ve used a LHB to face Miller? I don’t think you are but I’m not sure. Your last sentence led me to that question though.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

No, just implying he isn’t a normal lefthander so their splits vs normal lefties aren’t really useful.

JDX
9 years ago

I’m still trying to figure out why Ross took the bat off his shoulder after reaching 3-1, given that Miller had been a little wild (relatively speaking, of course).

At that point, I have to think the odds of Miller throwing a ball (he did on 3-2) were higher than Ross getting a positive outcome while swinging.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
9 years ago

Typical Cameron using his 3 year aggregate batting stats to hide the fact that he was an above average hitter in 2016 (and especially above average against lefties as you admit). Soler actually worse OBP than Ross this year, when all you need is him to get on base anyway anyhow to drive the run in. But enough of the statistical argument, I have another thought about this taht you didn’t address in the article.

Is it possible Maddon didn’t want to remove Ross from the game because he was assigned by FOX to wear the hot mic during the game? The networks already have a big problem getting viewership while competing with football, NBA opening night, hockey and WNBa finals. Losing the player who is mic’d up could only hurt the ratings, and I have a feeling Manfred may hold the key to this mystery.

Jross
9 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

I don’t think that’s the case. The league has shown an willingness to look the other way, recently, when the Cubs skirt the rules–e.g, tempering and getting Maddon with no compensation to the Rays; allowing the domestic abuser close; allowing the stadium to breech contract with the rooftop bars; allowing more night games in wrigglyville; compensation draft picks; allowing insider trading with Rizzo when Hoyer moved GM spots; allowed Lester to Jaw and show up the ump last night; etc. MLB is already killing it now that their cash cow is baAaAahk in the World Series.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

You are impressive.

John Autin
9 years ago

I think if you add up all the small factors in Ross’s favor right then, it makes the decision non-controversial.
— Soler incurs the general PH penalty. Also 3 singles in 17 career ABs as a sub; same numbers with bases loaded (and 8 K); 6 for 42 w/ 2 out in hi-lev spots (no HR, 16 K); 0 for 8 this PS, 3 K, 2 BB.
— Ross hit 2 line drives in his previous 2 ABs.
— Ross had 3 doubles and a walk in 6 prior trips vs. Miller, no strikeouts. (Albeit long ago.)
— This year overall, Ross and Soler hit almost exactly the same.

Except the PH penalty, those are all very small things. But I just don’t think Soler is so much better than Ross on face value. I wasn’t surprised that Ross stayed in. And he had a good at-bat. Better men than he have failed to check their swing on a 3-2 slider by Miller.

buckner_for_hall
9 years ago

Soler just hasnt been right since coming off the DL – you cant use his 3 years of data – hes not the same hitter right now – similar to the heyward situation

KCbbq
9 years ago

Let’s face it, Maddon is quirky. He makes moves that leave many of us scratching our heads. As much as I love Schwarber I wasn’t 100% behind him being on the roster but he looked decent so chalk one up for Maddon and Theo. I also didn’t like Coghlan starting and agree Soler shoujld have ph for Ross for all the reasons already given. But the vast majority if not all of the team loves Maddon and he’s bread the team chemistry that has driven this team since he got there. So, he is what he is and will keep making moves that leave us scratching our heads. With Coghlan showing nothing last night my bet is Heyward or Contreras is in the OF with Montero catching Arrieta.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  KCbbq

Pretty sure schwarber is 100% front office and nothing to do with Maddon.

Chris KMember since 2020
9 years ago

Subbing out a mediocre hitter who ran a season wRC+ of 101 for a mediocre hitter who ran a season wRC+ of 106? This seems like the most trivial possible nit to pick.

As far as Soler’s place on the team… he’s a replacement level guy who never lived up to his scouting report. They’re a dime a dozen. Even a great team like the Cubs is bound to have some filler.